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February 17, 2011 3:15 AM   Subscribe

Logical fallacies: 1, 2, 4, 7, 9, 16.
posted by twoleftfeet (51 comments total) 21 users marked this as a favorite

 
Oh god, not another one of these people. Thanks neo.

Great idea with the fallacies, but pretending you are a cyborg won't help your cause - it just makes you seem sheltered and conceited.
posted by AndrewKemendo at 3:25 AM on February 17, 2011 [4 favorites]


"One suggestion here is that if you are any less 'hard-bodied' here is there is something wrong with you".

I didn't get that bit from 'de-toxify your body'". Sorry. I flagged this.
posted by evil_esto at 3:42 AM on February 17, 2011


http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

lots to read, always fun but never sexy.
posted by evil_esto at 3:45 AM on February 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


Wikipedia also has a list of fallacies

I can't make a post out of a single Wikipedia link, though.
posted by twoleftfeet at 3:48 AM on February 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


Oh god, not another one of these people. Thanks neo.

Great idea with the fallacies, but pretending you are a cyborg won't help your cause - it just makes you seem sheltered and conceited.


Engaging in ad hominem attacks lends weight to your argument.
posted by Saddo at 3:52 AM on February 17, 2011 [16 favorites]


This thread has irrelevant comments, therefore all threads have irrelevant comments.

Oh, hang on...
posted by sodium lights the horizon at 3:57 AM on February 17, 2011 [3 favorites]


God so loved humanity that He impregnated a woman with Himself so that He could be born into His own creation, to grow up, to be sacrificed to Himself because it was necessary to punish Himself in order to appease Himself enough to persuade Himself to forgive the people He created in the first place for behaving in accordance with the sinful natures with which He endowed us in the first place.


This is from his profile. It made me chuckle.
posted by therubettes at 3:57 AM on February 17, 2011 [30 favorites]


Thanks twoleftfeet, I was looking for that Wikipedia link this morning and came onto the blue since I remembered seeing it here, got distracted by the latest posted threads and ended up finding it by coincidence here.
posted by Molesome at 4:06 AM on February 17, 2011


Engaging in ad hominem attacks lends weight to your argument.

Funny, I almost added a sentence that would have headed your argument off - since after all I never refuted his arguments (In fact, if you look closely I praise the effort) by deriding his personality, which of course would be ad hominem.

But of course you knew that...
posted by AndrewKemendo at 4:07 AM on February 17, 2011


Wearing sunglasses indoors does not make you Morpheus.
posted by bwg at 4:15 AM on February 17, 2011


The sunglasses just brought more attention to his bad teeth.

Most of us here know the Top 10 Fallacies by heart (and some of us use them intentionally), so what is there to discuss but the presenter's appearance?
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:23 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I think the sunglasses are meant to obscure his eyeballs as he reads (rather stuntedly) aloud his pre-written text.
posted by triceryclops at 4:31 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I think he's wearing sunglasses to hide the fact that he's reading off the screen, and therefore not looking directly at the camera, rather than to look cool. I love how his cadences and inflections are essentially Vulcan.
posted by RokkitNite at 4:32 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]



Engaging in ad hominem attacks lends weight to your argument.

Funny, I almost added a sentence that would have headed your argument off - since after all I never refuted his arguments (In fact, if you look closely I praise the effort) by deriding his personality, which of course would be ad hominem.

But of course you knew that...


Of course I did, you are right
posted by Saddo at 4:33 AM on February 17, 2011


Nice to see that Watson found work so soon after Jeopardy.
posted by StickyCarpet at 4:43 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I keep looking into his mirrored shades to see what's on the other side of the room. I think I see ladders or something, but that may be an optical illusion.

If you're going to make a talking head in a webcam video on YouTube, please make the background either entirely neutral or somewhat interesting.
posted by xingcat at 4:47 AM on February 17, 2011


Madsen Pirie's "How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic" is not only an excellent guide to logical fallacies, it is also a warning to all authors who would let their publisher have the final say on their book titles.
posted by honest knave at 5:02 AM on February 17, 2011


What logical fallacy is it when you expect that streaming video of you reading your essay in an almost monotone voice is going to be more persuasive than posting your essay as a video?
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:09 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


ahem...YOUR ESSAY AS TEXT.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:12 AM on February 17, 2011


It's hard to proofread with these sunglasses on.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:12 AM on February 17, 2011 [4 favorites]


People often confuse ad ad hominem and abuse.

Ad hominem is when I say you're wrong because your hair looks silly.

Abuse is when I say you are wrong and your hair looks silly.

It's a subtle but important difference.
posted by MrBobaFett at 5:13 AM on February 17, 2011 [7 favorites]


His YouTube profile says he's 32?! I thought he was 14.
posted by liquorice at 5:15 AM on February 17, 2011


Schopenhaur did this first.
posted by Obscure Reference at 5:34 AM on February 17, 2011


I watched the first two and really enjoyed them, mostly because I find it inspiring to see people using their brains and thinking for themselves.
posted by facetious at 5:34 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


Ad hominem is when I say you're wrong because your hair looks silly.

Abuse is when I say you are wrong and your hair looks silly.

It's a subtle but important difference.
posted by MrBobaFett at 1:13 PM on February 17


I've seen better hair than yours on a straw man.
posted by Decani at 5:50 AM on February 17, 2011 [7 favorites]


http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

lots to read, always fun but never sexy.
posted by evil_esto at 12:45 PM on February 17 [+] [!]

evil_esto, are you serious? The guy uses exclusively manipulative examples which imply that religious right is... well, right, therefore, the page is wrong.
posted by Laotic at 5:53 AM on February 17, 2011


If a pagan makes a poor argument, does that make it a Wickerman?

I'm so sorry, I needed to go for the low hanging pun.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:36 AM on February 17, 2011 [5 favorites]


God so loved humanity that He impregnated a woman with Himself so that He could be born into His own creation, to grow up, to be sacrificed to Himself because it was necessary to punish Himself in order to appease Himself enough to persuade Himself to forgive the people He created in the first place for behaving in accordance with the sinful natures with which He endowed us in the first place.


Hmmmm, so then it's all all about god? Pretty narcissistic, no?
posted by Vibrissae at 6:50 AM on February 17, 2011


Mystery Meat Contents: youtube videos of a kid in mirrored sunglasses, reading his essays about logical fallacies.
posted by zamboni at 7:13 AM on February 17, 2011


I always preferred Schopenhauer's approach of telling you how to do it rather than telling you how to avoid it.

I guess it's all sunglasses and webcams these days. I must be getting old.
posted by gronkpan at 7:37 AM on February 17, 2011


He thinks we'll think he's cool like Neo from The Matrix, but actually he's wearing sunglasses so we can't see his eyes moving as he reads.
posted by dunkadunc at 7:50 AM on February 17, 2011 [2 favorites]


He thinks we'll think he's cool like Neo from The Matrix, but actually he's wearing sunglasses so we can't see his eyes moving as he reads.

This is why I always wore shades when I read to my kids at bedtime. They just thought I was a dick.
posted by Mental Wimp at 8:10 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I didn't get that bit from 'de-toxify your body'"

These words were superimposed over a woman with a well chiseled stomach with a tape measure around it. He's asserting that it was the juxtaposition that made the suggestion. Seems reasonable to me.
posted by Bonzai at 8:13 AM on February 17, 2011


I suppose it can only be a good thing if young people question the idiot promises (or inferences) of advertising.
posted by gallois at 8:20 AM on February 17, 2011


ok...he's a jerky little kid striking a pose. he's certainly no worse than I was at his age: flunking college courses like it was my job and writing and recording terrible songs like it was my REAL job.

Writing and recording flawed videos of meticulously thought-out arguments? Good on him! I'm sure he'll do fine, tho he probably won't end up where he expected.

And his videos are are fun to watch, like it's fun to get into a band that is obviously a bit into Radiohead and Pavement. After all, I dig Dawkins and Dennett.
posted by es_de_bah at 8:37 AM on February 17, 2011


also, the constant reflection of his monitor on his glasses makes him look like he's constatnly cross-eyed. win-win?
posted by es_de_bah at 8:40 AM on February 17, 2011


I enjoyed the post, the presentation and the examples given.
Do I have to resign from MetaFilter now - or can I get off with a stern warning?
posted by speug at 9:28 AM on February 17, 2011


Not Neo. Not Spock.

Agent Smith, sheeple! He's using the Agent Smith inflections.
posted by dhartung at 10:02 AM on February 17, 2011 [1 favorite]


I predict that 80% of people will shit on this. I also predict that it is unlikely that the other 20% can ever overcome that reality.
posted by humboldt32 at 10:04 AM on February 17, 2011


I tried, I could not watch. His presentation is terrible. He should focus some energy into a public speaking class if he wants to, well, speak publicly.
posted by MrBobaFett at 10:08 AM on February 17, 2011


I'd really like to believe that all these snarky dismissals are some sort of meta-commentary, I really would.
posted by Bonzai at 10:22 AM on February 17, 2011


This is not done well. But it would be really fun to see a series of videos of logical fallacies, done well. Maybe an improv group could work on that.
posted by Miko at 10:25 AM on February 17, 2011


God so loved humanity that He impregnated a woman with Himself so that He could be born into His own creation, to grow up, to be sacrificed to Himself because it was necessary to punish Himself in order to appease Himself enough to persuade Himself to forgive the people He created in the first place for behaving in accordance with the sinful natures with which He endowed us in the first place.

I don't understand this, all i know is that THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH.
posted by storybored at 11:01 AM on February 17, 2011


There's a reason that the classical model of education taught rhetoric in addition to logic and grammar.
posted by straight at 11:37 AM on February 17, 2011 [4 favorites]


Seeing as the first part of his profile was so popular here it is in it'e entirity:

God so loved humanity that He impregnated a woman with Himself so that He could be born into His own creation, to grow up, to be sacrificed to Himself because it was necessary to punish Himself in order to appease Himself enough to persuade Himself to forgive the people He created in the first place for behaving in accordance with the sinful natures with which He endowed us in the first place.

Up there on the Roman torture device, He cried out to Himself to ask why He had forsaken Himself and to beg Himself to forgive these people, for they knew not that they sacrificed Him to Himself in perfect accordance with His perfect plan to pay Himself off for our debt to Him which He decided we owed Him in the first place.

Then He died, spent the weekend away, rose from the grave and ascended into Heaven to reunite with Himself and to spend the rest of eternity sitting at His own right hand.

It takes more faith to doubt something that makes this much sense than to believe it.


Not sure what he is getting at with the last line but the rest of it is good.

When I said earlier that it made me chuckle I meant because it was clever. I also was shocked that he was 32. Looks a lot younger and really this is the kind of thing that you would expect from someone far younger. But still respect to him.
posted by therubettes at 12:42 PM on February 17, 2011


When I said earlier that it made me chuckle I meant because it was clever.

Only as clever as every other straw man argument. And as such, a pretty crappy introduction to his attempt to stamp out logical fallacies.

Because that's not a fair summary of Christian beliefs about the Trinity (that is, the relationship between God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit). In fact it's a pretty good summary of a view most of the Church has explicitly rejected since about 1800 years ago.
posted by straight at 2:40 PM on February 17, 2011


Logical fallacies or not...the person in an argument who is the loudest and makes his point the most usually wins.
posted by jnnla at 3:31 PM on February 17, 2011


If your youtube video consists of you reading text, please just post the fucking thing to a blog so those of us who may be even slightly interested can read it at a slightly less glacial pace.
posted by odinsdream at 4:50 PM on February 17, 2011


Fail. Inadequate diction.
posted by Goofyy at 7:30 AM on February 18, 2011


Logical fallacies or not...the person in an argument who is the loudest and makes his point the most usually wins.

Our definition of win must differ.
posted by Bonzai at 9:46 AM on February 18, 2011


The sunglasses just brought more attention to his bad teeth.

Most of us here know the Top 10 Fallacies by heart (and some of us use them intentionally), so what is there to discuss but the presenter's appearance?


Since you know them by heart could you please define Ad hominem for me.
posted by Bonzai at 10:14 AM on February 18, 2011


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