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Saddle up your dinosaur and head down to the Creation Museum for a lovely date night. Just be sure you don't ruin it for everyone else by being gay.
posted by mrfuga0 (68 comments total) 5 users marked this as a favorite

 
So, no admission and no refund? I hope they do a chargeback on their credit cards.

What a bunch of narrowminded fuckheads running that museum. I'm tempted to visit there with my partner and hold hands the entire time.
posted by hippybear at 9:59 PM on March 1, 2011 [5 favorites]


I should probably know better than to read stuff like this, but this is exactly the kind of thing that makes my blood boil and want to exterminate the cancer of religion from the face of the earth.
posted by blaneyphoto at 10:04 PM on March 1, 2011 [5 favorites]


I don't understand why any self-respecting (gay) human being would patronize Christians who so very clearly hate gays and lesbians. Even as a joke. Every dollar keeps these churches running.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:04 PM on March 1, 2011 [15 favorites]


Yeah, I was thinking about going to this, but I was on my period and didn't want to spread my uncleanliness around such a godly place.
posted by phunniemee at 10:08 PM on March 1, 2011 [6 favorites]


Yeah, doing it for the lulz still means putting a few dollars in these morons pockets. What did they expect would happen?

Also: 40 million in taxpayer money went to build this Shrine of Ignorance?! That's dismaying, to say the least.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 10:10 PM on March 1, 2011 [4 favorites]


The other side of the story. It was a premeditated attempt to act flamboyantly gay, you see. Oh man they even cite the dictionary definition of "date" oh wow.
posted by kipmanley at 10:10 PM on March 1, 2011 [1 favorite]


The people who run the Creation Museum are idiots, but seriously, "religious people and their ideas are a disease"? Does that help anything? If religion was exterminated from the world you would not have gotten rid of stupidity, not by far, and you would have annihilated lots of very good things.
posted by XMLicious at 10:24 PM on March 1, 2011 [6 favorites]


As a part of their manufactured deception, we should point out that at least one of the two men has since acknowledged that he is not even a homosexual. So this was not a “gay” couple at all but a part of their act.

but you just assumed the "worst" of them, didn't you?

frankly, i think the ssa visitation was pointless when it went beyond mere curiousity and into mocking

but this really makes me wonder - if i decided to visit that museum - or your church, with a male friend of mine, what are they going to be thinking about me and him? - are we going to be watched closely to make sure there's nothing gay about us? - if we laugh in a certain way or speak in a certain tone of voice that fits their prejudices are they going to jump to the conclusion that we're gay? is there a certain way men have to act to prove their straightness? to be "manly"? if i don't measure up to those standards are their kids, or drunken associates going to threaten me and call me a "faggot"? - and i don't know how many times that shit happened to me when i was younger, just because i didn't meet some other people's standard of what they thought a man should act and look like

the truth is that these people's attitudes and stereotypes towards gay men don't just oppress gay men - they oppress ALL men - and i've had enough of that crap
posted by pyramid termite at 10:25 PM on March 1, 2011 [21 favorites]


The Creation Museum rep further informed us that you cannot be a Christian if you are gay, asking "can you tell me what exactly is Christian about being gay?".

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
-- Romans 13:8
posted by benzenedream at 10:30 PM on March 1, 2011 [26 favorites]


Heh, I've been there. They're kinda weird.

Somewhat amusing story. A buddy and I had to go there for some internet-y related nonsense, and decided that while we were there we had to have a little fun. However, it's kinda a dick move to show up to someones house and attempt to get kicked out, even if they are science denying, gay hating assholes. I mean, there were a bunch of kids there having a nice outing with their families, and despite knowing that most of them would grow up to vote like science denying gay hating assholes, we didn't really want to sink to that level.

There are some pretty egregiously bad exhibitions throughout the museum, but if you can find pictures somewhere of the "Man's Wisdom vs God's Wisdom" exhibit, those really took the cake. Yes, they were worse than the dinosaur with a saddle, the "proof" of a 6,000 year old earth, the awful giftshop, horrible movie, adam and eve everywhere, and the incontrovertible fact that hiphop, homosexuality, and graffiti are works of the devil (especially amusing considering how homophobic most rap is).

So, after touring the museum (which was surprisingly entertaining) we hatched a clever plot to have some mostly harmless fun, and only slightly poke fun at the museum. Because we got a day pass, we were able to leave the museum and come back at our leisure, so we drove to the nearest supermarket and picked up like twenty bucks worth of apples, came back and handed them out to everyone we could find. It was fall, and we claimed to be from the Ohio Apple Growers Association or some thing that was legit that we looked up on the trip, wanting to remind good Christians that it was apple season and to support their local apple farms. We at least thought it was hilarious.
posted by yeahwhatever at 10:35 PM on March 1, 2011 [18 favorites]


In the past, our staff has observed what they believed to be “gay” couples walking through the museum

for people who aren't supposed to judge, they sure like to do a lot of it
posted by pyramid termite at 10:36 PM on March 1, 2011 [1 favorite]


It was fall, and we claimed to be from the Ohio Apple Growers Association or some thing that was legit that we looked up on the trip, wanting to remind good Christians that it was apple season and to support their local apple farms. We at least thought it was hilarious.

That's so subversive, it's metasubversive... I would've made a joke about it being from the tree of knowledge of good and evil at least...
posted by disillusioned at 10:47 PM on March 1, 2011 [1 favorite]


" ... wanting to remind good Christians that it was apple season and to support their local apple farms. We at least thought it was hilarious."

Is this a joke about the apple that Adam and Eve ate? Because nowhere in that myth is the fruit identified as an apple. That's a later tradition that has no basis in 'scripture'. If no one got the joke, this is probably why.

If you want to take the piss out of these fruitcakes, ask them how God measured a day before he made the Sun, or why God thinks locusts have four legs (Leviticus 11:20-23), or how Moses managed to write about his own death and burial. Or any number of other questions based on the thousands of anachronisms in that book of myths; there's plenty to choose from.
posted by Henry C. Mabuse at 10:47 PM on March 1, 2011 [2 favorites]


Someone should stealthily install a new display there featuring leather clad dinosaurs with lots of chest hair having drinks in a seedy prehistoric bar.
posted by Burhanistan at 11:10 PM on March 1, 2011 [14 favorites]


1 Samuel 18
posted by Sys Rq at 11:14 PM on March 1, 2011 [5 favorites]


Delve into the belly of the Ark and imagine the stalls full of animals,
imagine the smell
posted by Cranberry at 11:21 PM on March 1, 2011 [2 favorites]


Jebus, that blog post claims that there were 2200 people there at one time. This thing should be a derelict highway oddity with only a handful of patrons. Very confusing.
posted by Burhanistan at 11:30 PM on March 1, 2011


Oh my goodness. As time goes by, I realize I am increasingly intolerant of other people's beliefs.

I have almost no respect whatsoever for people who go to this museum in earnest, for people who still have a rod up their asses about homosexuals, for people so cut off, in their minds, from reality.

On the bright side, I'm not expending any effort trying to change these people's minds*, or preventing them from enjoying their little stupidity. But I've unfortunately gone past the line of being merely annoyed or amused to pretty much outright loathing people who think this way.

* I did try, in the past, to get into a discussion with people about this, but the truth is I think that beliefs are practically hard-wired somehow. You simply can't discuss these issues with someone on "the other side" and expect any breakthroughs in either direction. I just happened to be hard wired to the side that seems, to me, to be a little bit more on the side of the demonstrably true.
I'll also point out that in recent years (and even decades) diametrically opposed (in theory) religious groups with liberal leanings have very successfully been able to discuss their differences and reach common understandings. For example, liberally minded Jews meeting with liberally minded Palestinians and Arabs. These discussions have been very fruitful, as have many other interfaith discussions. So it's not areligious vs. religious. It's about tolerant and open vs. closed and bigoted. That might be why I'm closer to the "loathing" end of the scale when it comes to people like this. These people -- if religion didn't exist -- would find ways to be intolerant and close-minded anyways. In the 19th century (and into the 20th even), scientists and philosophers put out papers and books explaining exactly why whites were superior to other races and how slavery was justifiable. In the 20th, psychologists and doctors explained why women were unsuitable for difficult jobs, or tasking mental tasks.
posted by Deathalicious at 11:54 PM on March 1, 2011 [6 favorites]


Yeah, well, if you let the gays into the Creation Museum next thing they'll be wanting to come over and fuck your basset hound or teach your kids about Mexicans or something. Bound to happen. I read about it online.
posted by chasing at 12:38 AM on March 2, 2011 [12 favorites]


Yeah, well, if you let the gays into the Creation Museum next thing they'll be wanting to come over and fuck your basset hound or teach your kids about Mexicans or something.

They'll want to have 6,000 year old man/velociraptor marriages validated.
posted by NoraReed at 12:55 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


Ah, thank you mefi, I was worried after I read the article that mefi would be up in arms supporting the wronged gay couple.

Instead you took the sensible road, and pointed out that its their anti-homosexual museum that they unsuccessfully tried to support.

Yes this is a problem, yes we all expected it, no you do not receive any sympathy.
posted by Felex at 1:16 AM on March 2, 2011


This Ken Ham is the same vile individual who was able to bilk the state of Kentucky out of $37 million dollars in tax incentives for the proposed Noah's Ark theme park they want to build there, based on figures pulled directly out of his ass which estimate that this venture will create 900 full and part-time jobs and bring 1.6 million visitors per year to Kentucky. And by the way, to get one of those 900 jobs you have to sign the Answers in Genesis statement of faith which stipulates that you're a full-on young Earth Creationist and true literal-truth Bible believer.
posted by Rhomboid at 1:19 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


Not to play the devil's advocate or anything, but doesn't the lovely fact of gay couples do more to "prove" creationism than it does to prove evolution? This place should be welcoming in gay couples in celebration of God's omnipotent wisdom in creating something beautiful but "useless" (from the reductive evolutionary point of view of reproductive success). (p.s. just don't mention the science.)
posted by chavenet at 1:42 AM on March 2, 2011


Further analysis from South Florida Gay News.
posted by a womble is an active kind of sloth at 1:46 AM on March 2, 2011


As skeevie as the creation museum is, it looks like this whole incident has come off looking a bit too much like a stunt.

It appears there might have been more than a little involvement from somebody at the local alt-weekly.
posted by SteveInMaine at 3:39 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


What a bunch of narrowminded fuckheads running that museum.

....The fact that it's a Creation Museum hadn't already underscored that point?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:39 AM on March 2, 2011 [4 favorites]


One glance at Ken Ham's visage tells me all I need to know. Fuck him and his kind.
posted by nj_subgenius at 4:47 AM on March 2, 2011


Biblical history is the key to understanding dinosaurs.
posted by punkfloyd at 5:09 AM on March 2, 2011


Not to play the devil's advocate or anything, but doesn't the lovely fact of gay couples do more to "prove" creationism than it does to prove evolution? This place should be welcoming in gay couples in celebration of God's omnipotent wisdom in creating something beautiful but "useless" (from the reductive evolutionary point of view of reproductive success).

tl;dr -- There would not be gay people unless God made them.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 5:25 AM on March 2, 2011 [2 favorites]


I should probably know better than to read stuff like this, but this is exactly the kind of thing that makes my blood boil and want to exterminate the cancer of religion from the face of the earth.

um hum. but that was precisely your purpose in the first place. of course, you could have chosen instead to read, oh say, something like this or this or this and this but those things wouldn't have supported the foregone conclusion.

"gee whiz, i wish i had never read about e. coli, it is exactly the kind of thing that makes me want to exterminate microorganisms from the face of the earth."

"golly, i wish i had never read about hitler, he exactly the kind of man that makes my blood boil and want to exterminate humanity from the face of the earth."

"gosh, i wish i hadn't seen dogshit, it completely ruined beauty for me so i gouged out my eyes."
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:38 AM on March 2, 2011


The linked video of Ken Ham "teaching" is really something to behold. What a despicable human.
posted by odinsdream at 6:19 AM on March 2, 2011


"I should probably know better than to read stuff like this, but this is exactly the kind of thing that makes my blood boil and want to exterminate the cancer of religion from the face of the earth."

Scary eliminationist rhetoric is scary.
posted by Blasdelb at 6:19 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


79 bucks to have dinner for two at the Creation Museum? Holy shit, that's expensive.
posted by l33tpolicywonk at 6:19 AM on March 2, 2011


that's because their plants and animals are CREATED, not EVOLVED - it's an expensive process
posted by pyramid termite at 6:31 AM on March 2, 2011 [4 favorites]


Gay or not, that seems like a terrible place for a date.
posted by electroboy at 6:52 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


God created Fred and Wilma, not Fred and Steve.

Because we enjoy such ridiculousness, my partner and I have talked about visiting this place on our next road trip in that direction and have wondered what kind of reception we'd get. Not that surprising but now we know what to expect and not to act too gay... which, even more so than not wanting to give these assess any money, means the visit is off -- because if you think we wouldn't get our picture taken kissing under a saddled dinosaur, you're crazy.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:53 AM on March 2, 2011 [4 favorites]


Your Creation Museum Report, by John Scalzi.
He visits so you don't have to!
posted by battleshipkropotkin at 7:04 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


I expect they're really worried about gay couples infecting dinosaurs with teh ghey and thus making... dun-dun-duunnnn... gay dinosaurs!

In all seriousness, whilst it is of course unacceptable that they don't allow gay couples to go to the museum, (and how do you tell if they're a couple without P.D.As?) what part of the very concept, let alone the making of, an evolution denying museum is reasonable in the first place?
posted by ob at 7:09 AM on March 2, 2011


the truth is that these people's attitudes and stereotypes towards gay men don't just oppress gay men - they oppress ALL men - and i've had enough of that crap

Yup; my husband (straight) got threatened many times as a youngster for not acting "masculine" enough--failing to be interested in sports, growing his hair long, not being a total fuckwad to women. Utter bullshit.
posted by emjaybee at 7:12 AM on March 2, 2011


God created Fred and Wilma, not Fred and Steve.

Looks like someone ain't been reading enough Fred/Barney slash!
posted by Greg Nog at 7:18 AM on March 2, 2011


Hopefully this episode can be used to somehow disqualify them from getting that taxpayer money. There are several lawsuits here sitting out in plain sight.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:22 AM on March 2, 2011


Looks like someone ain't been reading enough Fred/Barney slash!

For a moment I thought "oh, surely there isn't actually any..." But no. (NSFW). Admittedly this particular example is technically only one sentence long (the author loves him some semicolons), but I think that still qualifies as "enough" Fred/Barney slash.
posted by jedicus at 7:24 AM on March 2, 2011


:-(

I disapprove of everyone concerned in this story.

I minorly disapprove of the couple visiting. Why give money to people you know are evil? Why waste your time mocking people you don't like? Why not send the money to GMHC or some other gay-friendly group?

I majorly disapprove of the Creation Museum, and I certainly hope that the people in question charge-back on their credit cards.

Did $40 million in taxpayer money go to this?! If so, I feel really sick...
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 7:28 AM on March 2, 2011 [2 favorites]


I did wake up this morning (after my comment last night) thinking that this whole incident has some interesting echoes from the past, involving lunch counters.

In any case, I'm sure Rand Paul will be working on legislation to make sure that denying entrance to minorities will be fully within the legal rights of any and all businesses sometime soon.
posted by hippybear at 7:32 AM on March 2, 2011


I'm not seeing anything about this being built with $40 million in taxpayer money. Wikipedia says it was $27 million of private donations. Is the former figure some kind of tax break estimate or something?
posted by Burhanistan at 7:33 AM on March 2, 2011


The John Scalzi photo tour is hilarious, definitely worth your time.

Apparently, dinosaurs' fossils are "spongy" because they died in the flood. I love the logical progression of one commenter, who remarked that the Utah Raptor was obviously targeted because he "might be Mormon."
posted by misha at 7:35 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


> The John Scalzi photo tour is hilarious, definitely worth your time.

Wow, aside from the lulz that place just looks stultifying. If I were a Christian I'd be kind of upset with these people for making such tacky renditions of scripture.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:38 AM on March 2, 2011


I did wake up this morning (after my comment last night) thinking that this whole incident has some interesting echoes from the past, involving lunch counters.

I tend to agree.

While I wouldn't go into, say, a sports bar and mock people's interest in the footsballs - that would be tacky and wrong - I think this is a different animal.

The Church-o-seum is discriminating, and that is probably illegal. (Not sure on the legal state of things in Kentucky with regards to specifics of discriminating against homosexuals).

Sometimes bigots need to be drawn out into public being bigoty so people understand that they are bigots.
posted by device55 at 8:12 AM on March 2, 2011


Isn't this kind of like a black couple ironically buying advance tickets for a klan rally, and then being surprised when the door is closed to them the day of the event? They did realize that the monument to retarded bigotry was full of, and run by, retarded bigots... right?
posted by FatherDagon at 8:22 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


The Church-o-seum is discriminating, and that is probably illegal. (Not sure on the legal state of things in Kentucky with regards to specifics of discriminating against homosexuals).

*blinks*

While I admit I'm on the fence when it comes to whether a sit-in-type-protest-thing at the Creation Museum would be prudent -- I still haven't decided whether it's worth it, or whether this is a "let the crazypants people have their own place to be crazypants in away from us" situation -- I have just had a genius idea for a protest.

And that is: round up a bunch of gay men and lesbians who also happen to be either active servicemen or veterans. Have them all show up with their partners in tow, and have all the vets or servicemen wear their dress uniforms.

Think about it -- on the one hand, the Creation Museum powers-that-be will want to throw them out because of "teh gayz", but on the other hand they'll feel bad about that because "we're supposed to support our troops", but...and they'll end up being totally paralyzed with indecision.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:25 AM on March 2, 2011 [4 favorites]


Think about it -- on the one hand, the Creation Museum powers-that-be will want to throw them out because of "teh gayz", but on the other hand they'll feel bad about that because "we're supposed to support our troops", but...and they'll end up being totally paralyzed with indecision.

I like your optimism, but cognitive dissonance is a specialty with that sort -- they'll just hiss through clenched teeth that the servicemen and women should be ashamed of disgracing the armed forces with their gayness.
posted by Amanojaku at 8:54 AM on March 2, 2011


Biblical history is the key to understanding dinosaurs.

That's not even the craziest thing on that page! Right above it there's a section titled "Natural Selection is Not Evolution"!

NATURAL SELECTION IS NOT EVOLUTION?!!!


I...what...ghhrrk...
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 9:35 AM on March 2, 2011 [2 favorites]


they'll just hiss through clenched teeth that the servicemen and women should be ashamed of disgracing the armed forces with their gayness.

*sigh* You're probably right....wait, what if we confined it to people who'd won Purple Hearts or Silver Stars or other medals?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:49 AM on March 2, 2011


The thing that gets me is that their plan was to send the most flamboyant guys they knew. And somehow they interepreted that as they were going to be intentionally and disruptively "gay". Just because the fastest man on the planet is going to the grocery store doesn't mean he's going to be sprinting near the produce. They're twisting what they said to make it seem like the plan was, all along, to go in there strapped in leather, with the rainbow flag flying.
posted by shesaysgo at 10:06 AM on March 2, 2011


TheWhiteSkull wrote "That's not even the craziest thing on that page! Right above it there's a section titled 'Natural Selection is Not Evolution'!

"NATURAL SELECTION IS NOT EVOLUTION?!!!"


Of course it isn't. Evolution is a process. Natural selection is the mechanism most responsible for the process. Their take on this is absolutely wrong, but they are correct in realizing there is a distinction between the two.

Also Ken Ham is a moron. Anyone who uses the word "evolutionist", as if this were some kind of belief system rather than a reasoned argument from observed fact and empirical testing, is a complete and utter moron.
posted by caution live frogs at 10:14 AM on March 2, 2011 [3 favorites]


...but this really makes me wonder - if i decided to visit that museum - or your church, with a male friend of mine, what are they going to be thinking about me and him? - are we going to be watched closely to make sure there's nothing gay about us? - if we laugh in a certain way or speak in a certain tone of voice that fits their prejudices are they going to jump to the conclusion that we're gay?
posted by pyramid termite at 1:25 AM on March 2


In the past, our staff has observed what they believed to be “gay” couples walking through the museum, "and these guests were not approached (except in the rare instance where they were deemed to be acting in a disruptive manner). The Creation Museum has always welcomed individuals and groups who do not necessarily share our views; we want all people to be exposed to the biblical truths presented in the museum, which are not generally being seen or heard in a society that is increasingly intolerant of Christianity."

From their web site. Take it with a grain of salt, of course.
posted by magstheaxe at 10:18 AM on March 2, 2011


Ugh. This kind of shit really pisses me off. It's a cycle:

1. Teach kids that the Bible is the only source of truth.
2. Science contradicts what the Bible says, so teach kids that scientists are godless liars.
3. Kids grow up to be adults who cannot understand basic science, because anything that challenges their worldview is rejected as false.
4. Attempts to reason with these adults fail because they refuse to accept the evidence presented by scientists. No admission they are wrong is possible, because they already accept that scientists are godless liars. Habitual rejection of logical arguments trains the mind to accept illogical statements as truth so long as the statements are consistent with Biblical passages.
5. Paradoxical persecution complex develops in these adults. Even though persons who share their core Christian beliefs make up the vast majority of the American population, most rational people - in some cases even those who accept some degree of higher power intervention in evolution - cannot agree that the Bible accurately reflects reality.
6. These adults withdraw from mainstream society because it conflicts with their worldview. Rather than carefully examining their beliefs, they choose to ignore logic and rationality, and immerse themselves into community groups which reinforce their views.
7. Children raised by these adults are home-schooled or sent to schools run by like-minded persons to avoid exposure to the "godless lies" spread by mainstream science education. In this closed educational system, children are taught that the Bible is the only source of truth. Return to Step 1 and repeat ad nauseum.

We are left with individuals who appear to be capable of rational thought but manage to live a life composed entirely of cognitive dissonance. They build a "museum" which presents their unfounded, scientifically unsound claims as proven fact, and then point to the existence of the "museum" exhibits as proof the scenes in the exhibits reflect reality. When the mainstream public responds unfavorably to this "museum" of fabrications, they claim it is only because so many other people have been intentionally deluded by godless scientists - oh woe is us, our inability to prove anything we claim is not the problem, it is simply that the rest of society won't tolerate acceptance of Christian beliefs! Yep, that is why so very few Americans - only a paltry 78% - identify as Christian.

(It's a "museum". An actual museum presents things which are, or which were, in an attempt to preserve and educate. This theme park of blatant lies does none of these things.)
posted by caution live frogs at 10:45 AM on March 2, 2011 [3 favorites]


caution live frogs -- the dirty little secret of exclusivists is that they breed their own downfall: a significant percentage of their brainwashed offspring handily un-brainwash themselves the moment a more attractive/consistent worldview presents itself, thence becoming said brainwashers' worst nightmare: knowledgeable unbelievers with attitude.
posted by tspae at 11:03 AM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


Their take on this is absolutely wrong

Well, yes, that's my point. They claim that natural selection exists but it is somehow not a component of evolution. Just trying to pick apart the logic behind this makes my brain seize up. I cannot even provide so much as a facepalm in response. They have come up with a claim that is NOT EVEN FACEPALM!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 11:51 AM on March 2, 2011


A tangent: Many years ago, I used to work at a natural history museum. There was an eight-foot rotating globe in the lobby that I used to like to go and watch during my breaks as a kind of Zen mind-clearing exercise. It was a really nice globe, too--the water wasn't depicted, so you could see undersea canyons and mountain ranges and things.

One day, there was a school group gathered around it, which wasn't unusual at all...until I started listening to the adult leading the group. He was going on at length about how clearly plate tectonics was false, because as we could all see on the globe, the continents were all made of rock and weren't floating on anything.

One of my coworkers sidled up and quietly told me that the group was actally a bunch of kids from a local church, and their pastor would occasionally bring them in to point out how evolution was a lie. (How he managed this in a building full of fossils I'll never know.)

Never in my life had I wanted so much to bind and gag someone in a supply closet and call in an emergency science teacher.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 12:15 PM on March 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


And that is: round up a bunch of gay men and lesbians who also happen to be either active servicemen or veterans. Have them all show up with their partners in tow, and have all the vets or servicemen wear their dress uniforms.

- Many, many Christians are pacifists. Even a lot of the nutjobs. War=Murder=Sin; Two Guys Holding Hands=Sodomy=Sin. To these people, such a protest would be nothing but sinners sinning. Meh.
- Many, many nutjobs are paranoid re: oppression/suppression by the government. Even a lot of the Christians. U.S. Military=Big Government=Religious Persecution; Two Guys Holding Hands=Homosexual Agenda=Religious Persecution. Such a protest would probably serve more as added motivation for Christian libertarian survivalist militamen than as a consciousness-raising tool.

Probably best to stick with this idea, taken to its most literal extreme.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:25 PM on March 2, 2011


I cannot even provide so much as a facepalm in response. They have come up with a claim that is NOT EVEN FACEPALM!

HEH. Have you ever even heard them talk about microevolution vs. macroevolution? These people are fueled by your annoyance. They're like platos trolls.
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists at 12:34 PM on March 2, 2011


"The diners went in two by two / Whoa there, gays! It's not for you!"
posted by Prince Lazy I at 1:51 PM on March 2, 2011


Many, many Christians are pacifists.

Sure, if you're talking about Quakers or something. However, the slack-wit biblical literalists who eat this shit up are jerking themselves into a fervor over war in the middle east, because that accelerates the arrival of the Apocalypse. Protestant christians were the most supportive of the war in Iraq, followed closely by 'every other kind of christian' and then 'Catholics'.
posted by FatherDagon at 2:39 PM on March 2, 2011


the truth is that these people's attitudes and stereotypes towards gay men don't just oppress gay men - they oppress ALL men - and i've had enough of that crap

pyramid termite, I want to have your baby.

But I'm a guy.

And straight.

But if I could...
posted by IAmBroom at 7:54 PM on March 2, 2011


Never in my life had I wanted so much to bind and gag someone in a supply closet and call in an emergency science teacher.

I wish emergency science teachers were a thing.

000: Hello, 000 Emergency. Do you need Police, Fire, Ambulance or Education?

CALLER: Education. I need education. Oh god, oh god.

000: What is the nature of your emergency?

CALLER: This idiot in this bar claims that you can hear sound in space. I can't convince him that he's wrong. I don't know what to do!

000: Just stay calm. Help is on the way. Have you tried explaining that sound can't travel in a vaccum?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:57 PM on March 2, 2011 [5 favorites]


- Many, many Christians are pacifists. Even a lot of the nutjobs. War=Murder=Sin; Two Guys Holding Hands=Sodomy=Sin.

Are these denominations the same ones likely to show up at the Creation Museum? It strikes me that the Creation Museum is most favored by Dominionists, who aren't pacifists at all.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:07 PM on March 2, 2011




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