I don't own a TV; what are the networks showing right now?
Who is Usama Bin Landen? Whoever he is, Fox confirms he is dead.
I also wonder if it would have been better to capture him alive.
CNN is saying that he was taken by US forces in Pakistan.
Al-Qaida terrorists have threatened to unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" on the West if their leader and world's most wanted terrorist Osama bin Laden is nabbed.
A senior Al-Qaida commander has claimed that the terror group has stashed away a nuclear bomb in Europe which will be detonated if bin Laden is ever caught or assassinated, according to new top secret files made public by whistleblower website WikiLeaks.
Usama Bin Laden is the name on the FBI wanted poster.
It never made sense. That’s what I wish I’d said sooner and louder and more often. The whole concept of Al Qaeda is wrong. The name means “The Base” in Arabic, and the idea is that it’s a central clearinghouse for dozens of different guerrilla groups, sharing an Islamic ideology but representing different countries and tribes and languages. They get together and share intelligence and personnel and materiel, because they’re all good Muslims working for a common cause. It’s the old kiddie dream of a vast umbrella group of baddies, S.P.E.C.T.R.E from Man from Uncle, KAOS in Get Smart, the ridiculous villain and his volcano HQ in every lame Bond film.
It’s just a terrible idea. The last thing any sane guerrilla group wants to do is to go to an international guerrilla jamboree like the Boy Scouts. Sure, you’ll share ideas and prop up each others’ morale—and in the meantime, the informers—because every decent-sized guerrilla group must assume it’s been penetrated—will be taking careful notes, taking quiet candid pictures, and putting together organizational charts. By the time you go to your home country from the big Jihad Jamboree in Waziristan or Tora Bora, you can be sure that the informers have shared their info with their handlers. And although some intel agencies can be stingy, most of them share info very readily, so every informer has in effect given the breakdown of every local group to every intel agency in the world.
And that’s death to a guerrilla, literally death, and not a quick or easy death either. Sharing info is good for intelligence agencies (most of the time; there are exceptions, like sharing the identity of some agents), but it’s the worst thing in the world for guerrillas.
I wonder what he died from.
Have the usual USA=EVIL brigade claimed this is a gross violation of Osama Bin Laden's human rights/a grievous imperialist assault on Pakistan's sovereignty/a cowboy invitation to retaliation/a propaganda bonanza for Al Queda on the 'Arab Street' and all part of a CIA plot to cover up their own involvement in 9/11? No? Good. But they will you know.
Not seeing any reaction on the Pakistani English language papers - anything in the Urdu press
The wind hissed as if welcoming us
The pine swayed creating a lot of fuss
And the tiny cuckoo sang it away
A song very melodious and gay
rm -rf /bin/laden
Officials on the handling of OBL's body: "We are making sure it is handled in accordance with Islamic tradition and practice."
"But you, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership. And so ultimately, you didn't blame Lil' Jon or Meatloaf. You fired Gary Busey. And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. (Laughter and applause.) Well handled, sir. Well handled."
Officials on the handling of OBL's body: "We are making sure it is handled in accordance with Islamic tradition and practice
The Prov 24.17, "Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice"; Ezek 18.32, "I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, says the Lord"; Ezek 33.11, "I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked." We rejoice when evil acts end; we do not rejoice when anyone falls.
Better Republicans grousing (they'll always find something to grouse about) than giving a grievance and casus belli to radical Muslims (who in fairness, will always find something to be upset about, just like Republican politicians do).
No, I'm just reading the words. I have no opinion on this, but that's what was said: 'after'.
It looks not so much like celebration or recognition of a globally significant event as it does the spill-out from the bars at 1 AM.
I think it's a poor choice of words, as to my ears 'after' means 'after'
Lovecraft in Brooklyn: "I'm often found drunkenly singing the Star-Spangled Banner and being an Ugly American but the fact that it took us 10 years to kill bin Laden isn't exactly filling me with pride."
In September 2010, the CIA presented Obama with a set of assessments that indicated bin Laden could be hiding in a compound in northwest Pakistan. Starting in mid-March, the president convened at least nine National Security Council meetings to discuss the intelligence suggesting bin Laden may be hiding out virtually in plain sight.
The CIA developed their theory through leads from individuals in bin Laden’s inner circle and other captured fighters following Sept. 11. Intelligence officials were repeatedly told about one courier working for bin Laden, as someone that America’s Most Wanted Man deeply trusted.
The detainees provided U.S. officials the courier’s nickname, and identified him as protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a trusted assistant of Abu Faraj al Libbi, once al-Qaida’s third highest ranking official. (He was captured in 2005).
That Google Maps location isn't legit, is it? Seems so very central, plus being terribly conveniently surrounded by hospitals and schools, etc.
You heard it here first: Obama wins 2012 election...
Mefi's Own @Hodgman: I think it's ok to take a 12 hour pause on cynicism.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: [...] During the raid, we lost one helicopter due to mechanical failure.
Q Yes, hey, how are you doing? My question would be, what was the type of the helicopter that failed? And what was the nature of that mechanical failure?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Can’t go into details at this time.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We didn’t say it was mechanical.
Hitler is dead ?????????
rm -rf /bin/laden"
On CBS, Jere Van Dyk, who was held captive by the Taliban for 45 days, struggled to maintain his composure as he recalled how his captors had boasted, "You will never find Bin Laden."
This "no telephone & no internet" thing is puzzling to me. I personally know several geeks who could get me set up with really, really secure internet, and I think it wouldn't take me more than one hop to get to someone who could spell out some more some more or less uncrackable encryption and data security practices.You forget the weakness in that system. The humans operating it. They could spill the wrong info, talk on an insecure line or, or someone forwards an E-mail. You have no internet so there are zero mistakes.
This "no telephone & no internet" thing is puzzling to me. I personally know several geeks who could get me set up with really, really secure internet, and I think it wouldn't take me more than one hop to get to someone who could spell out some more some more or less uncrackable encryption and data security practices.
EXCLUSIVE – THE TICK-TOCK: INSIDE THE SITUATION ROOM – Obama rejected original plan for bombing; wanted proof – Navy SEALS held two rehearsals last month, with war cabinet monitoring from White House – Raid planned for Saturday but pushed off a day because of weather – Chopper stalled as it hovered over the compound – Forces blew it up and left in a reinforcement craft -- How the fiery raid went down, as told to Playbook by senior administration officials: The compound -- about an acre, with a three-story house – is in Abbottabad, a suburb of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. Officials were very suspicious of the 12- to 18-foot-high walls, and seven-foot wall on the upper balcony. Residents burned their trash, and there was no telephone or Internet connection to the compound, valued at $1 million. But officials never had anything directly proving that Osama bin Laden was living there. The U.S. had discovered the compound by following a personal courier for bin Laden. Officials didn’t learn his name until 2007, then it took two years to find him and track him back to this compound, which was discovered in August 2010. “It was a “Holy cow!” moment,” an official said.
The original plan for the raid was to bomb the house, but President Obama ultimately decided against that. “The helicopter raid was riskier. It was more daring,” an official said. “But he wanted proof. He didn’t want to just leave a pile of rubble.” Officials also knew there were 22 people living there, and Obama wanted to be sure not to kill all the civilians. So he ordered officials to come up with an air-assault plan. The forces held rehearsals of the raid on April 7 and April 13, with officials monitoring the action from Washington.
As the actual raid approached, daily meetings were held of the national security principals, chaired by National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, and their deputies, chaired by John Brennan, the president’s counterterrorism adviser. At an April 19 meeting in the Situation Room, the president approved the assault, in principle, as the course of action. He ordered the force to fly to the region to conduct it. On April 28, just after his East Room announcement that CIA Director Leon Panetta would be succeeding Robert Gates as Defense Secretary, the president held another meeting in the Situation Room, and went through everyone’s final recommendations. He didn’t announce his decision at that time, but kept his counsel overnight.
At 8:20 a.m. Friday, the president informed National Security Adviser Tom Donilon that he was authorizing the operation.
Can you imagine the jingoistic paroxysms that Fox News would whip themselves into? The unending spin wars over the smallest details, like OJ's trial but a million times worse as everything is spun against Obama? The painful way the rest of the media would align themselves in their various passive stenographer roles? The chance for Osama to get in front of cameras, perhaps even give martyr's speeches?
Funny, it makes me wonder how many of the Mideast's problems can be traced to a fatal love of conspiracy theories. Makes it hard to think clearly or act decisively.
The US administration avoids a show trial which could be a major propaganda op for the likes of Ahmadinejad. OBL goes out in what passes for a blaze of glory, without suffering the humiliation of being discovered living conveniently close to the cinema and the golf club.
"No telephone & no internet" (and burning trash) is also puzzling to me, but not because I think that "really secure" stuff could be set up. Rather, because it calls attention to you.I keep telling you, no it doesn't. An awful lot of people don't bother with landlines in Pakistan. I doubt they had cellphones, either, but there wouldn't have been any visible evidence of those from the outside, anyway, and that's what most people would assume they used, if they thought about it. Electronic communication lines are not nearly as ubiquitous in Pakistan as they are in the US, or, I would imagine, most of Europe. Not having an internet connection is not really bizarre.
"No telephone & no internet" (and burning trash) is also puzzling to me, but not because I think that "really secure" stuff could be set up. Rather, because it calls attention to you.
It matters inasmuch as it leads to bad publicity and image for the US. Pragmatically I think it would be worse overall than the hit for him not being captured alive.
First of all, the U.S. "Image" around the world is shit.
This is pretty child-like. We tried to get him, but shot him in the process. Oh well.
I'd have strongly preferred that Osama bin Laden be captured rather than killed so that he could be tried for his crimes and punished in accordance with due process (and to obtain presumably ample intelligence). But if he in fact used force to resist capture, then the U.S. military was entitled to use force against him, the way the American police routinely does against suspects who use violence to resist capture.
Your link shows a 47% approval rating. Anyway, not anything that would somehow be 'damaged' by actually having a trial for bin Laden. And "The increases the U.S. saw in 2009 did not necessarily carry over into 2010, and approval suffered double-digit declines in 14 countries, including Egypt, Japan, and the United Kingdom."
You skipped over the fact that the US has a better image than any other major power.
In July 2003, detainee received a letter from UBL’s designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organizing travel, and distributing funds to families in Pakistan. UBL stated detainee would be the official messenger between UBL and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad, PK and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar.
"During the operation, a photo of his face was transmitted to analysts, who confirmed the identification.
According to Pentagon officials, photos of Bin Laden's dead face do exist but those widely distributed on the Internet are fake. At some point, if only to convince die-hard Bin Laden followers, officials are expected to release a corpse photo, as has been done in the past when famous villains such as Che Guevara and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein were killed or captured. Additionally, such special ops are typically videotaped by mini-helmet cams to document a sensitive mission and assist in debriefing and future training."
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