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September 16, 2001
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I don't know if this is just Isreali Propaganda but i thought it was worth a look. Sorry if it is as double post. I did a search, nothing came up. I got it from this site.
posted by bas67 (20 comments total)

 
What's the addy for the Israel portal?
posted by HoldenCaulfield at 8:53 PM on September 16, 2001


while i have neither the resources nor the energy to research the integrity of that article, it does make me ponder something that had escaped me earlier.

part of the coalition's success in the gulf war was due to the distribution of misinformation through CNN and the like. it was a simple case of making the enemy look out the front door while the coalition came in through the bathroom window. but... there was no widespread internet usage ten years ago, and CNN was pretty much the only news game worth watching. if net articles like this one are going to be the norm throughout this war/crusade/thing, and if they turn out to be true (even in part), then we seem to have lost a very valuable tool. i mean, this article did everything short of drawing a map with a big ole "X" where our forces would be.

unless, of course, our forces are already planning on using the internet for dis-info-spin already......
posted by grabbingsand at 8:55 PM on September 16, 2001


What's the addy for the Israel portal?

DEBKAfile

All debka's current stories can be read on the front page. It's interesting reading, but if you read enough, you will find some paranoid and implausible thoughts. So, read it cum grano salis...
posted by Zurishaddai at 9:07 PM on September 16, 2001


Bas67: ISRAEL and ISRAELI.

If this is propaganda (really disinformation), it wouldn't be Israeli disinformation since it's not from Israeli! It would be Afgani, or American disinformation "via" Israeli.

I doubt it's true: a bit too soon. Then again, perhaps not. In any case, confusing Bin Laden et al will certainly be tried--hopefully.
posted by ParisParamus at 9:09 PM on September 16, 2001


At college, I took a course with a former Czech disinformation master. Hope the US confuses the hell out of its enemies.
posted by ParisParamus at 9:10 PM on September 16, 2001


thanks paris--for taking the time to look down your nose and point out a typo.
posted by bas67 at 9:16 PM on September 16, 2001


WTF?
posted by ParisParamus at 9:21 PM on September 16, 2001


Also, I find it hard to believe that Afgan students in Holland are in love with the current state of their country (suggesting they aren't posting this information as disinformation). Whatever.
posted by ParisParamus at 9:22 PM on September 16, 2001


unless, of course, our forces are already planning on using the internet for dis-info-spin already......

Shh!! They're paying VERY well....
posted by rushmc at 9:23 PM on September 16, 2001


Ohhh, good old Moron AFB!!
posted by EngineBeak at 9:45 PM on September 16, 2001


sorry i'm new here, and i can't post a new link.
but i really wan't to share this with you
look at the first photo on this page:
http://resistance.jeeran.com/members/resistance/intifadah/durrah.htm

strange! coincidence!
posted by elisa at 9:49 PM on September 16, 2001


Actually, that DEBKA site looks pretty legitimate. We'll see...
posted by ParisParamus at 9:55 PM on September 16, 2001


Elisa: your post has NOTHING to do with this thread. You are anonymous. PLEASE GO AWAY.
posted by ParisParamus at 9:58 PM on September 16, 2001


I don't came back.sorry
posted by elisa at 10:14 PM on September 16, 2001


That's quite a site, Debka.com. I wonder who's behind it; does anyone know anything about it?
posted by ParisParamus at 10:30 PM on September 16, 2001


Concerning debka.com, this report from the Guardian seems fair enough:

It's a different matter, however, when fiction purports to be journalism. There's a website called debka.com that describes itself as "an internet weekly on intelligence, politics and terrorism" and "the decision-maker's indispensable tool".

For a subscription of $120, you can have it emailed every week - which at least suggests its content is worth paying for. Debka, which is based in Jerusalem, hints at having exclusive access to Israeli intelligence sources and makes a habit of mis-spelling Arabic names.

A banner at the top of each page says: "We start where the media stop" - a claim that few could disagree with, since Debka blends fact, fantasy and propaganda in ways that make it difficult to separate one from the other.

One of Debka's recurring obsessions is its belief that the PLO, Hizbullah, Syria, Iraq and Iran have all joined a secret alliance against Israel. Many of its stories are tailored to support this theory.

posted by Zurishaddai at 1:11 AM on September 17, 2001


Doing a quick search on Google, I found several pages that speculate that debka.com is a front for the Mossad (Israeli intelligence) to disseminate disinformation. There's a fair bit of info on the page that I haven't seen reported elsewhere; it all seems plausible enough, but everything is vaguely attributed to "intelligence sources."
posted by m-bandy at 2:05 AM on September 17, 2001


One of Debka's recurring obsessions is its belief that the PLO, H[e]zbullah, Syria, Iraq and Iran have all joined a secret alliance against Israel. Many of its stories are tailored to support this theory.

It may be fake, disinformation, but it's hardly difficult to imagine such an alliance (the Iraq/Iran) part is the least plausible). I thought this was almost common knowledge, no? They all speak of the destruction of Israel; where's the leap of "faith"?
posted by ParisParamus at 10:03 AM on September 17, 2001


From the same source (AfghanNews that is). Has BinLaden been manipulating stock markets around the world? Is this credible at all, or does it indicate that AfghanNews is also a front of some kind? Poll
posted by fellorwaspushed at 10:12 AM on September 17, 2001


WTF would you trust anything emminating from Afganistan?
posted by ParisParamus at 10:33 AM on September 17, 2001


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