Jagdposted by xqwzts at 7:48 AM on July 22, 2011
It seems it was the oil- and energy department that was hit
"NRK has confirmed that a shooting has occurred at a youth camp outside Oslo. The camp is run by Labour Youth League, connected to the ruling party."*posted by ericb at 9:49 AM on July 22, 2011
"Dramatic reports from eye-witnesses at Utøya (outside Oslo): 'A man identified himself as a police officer and started shooting at people.'"*
"Newspaper Varden is reporting that four people have been shot at the summer camp at Utoya, outside Oslo. The paper quotes Norwegian politician Adrian Pracon:From Google Translate: "Based on what I have seen, the innermost four people are shot and killed. Now it's complete panic and we swim off to get to safety."*
"We asked Haughey to nominate his five most notable MetaFilter threads.::END of tangent::1. Seattle Earthquake thread2/5 (40%) -- "NEWS" threads.
This sort of happened live on the site before blogs really covered news, and it was a big deal that MetaFilter 'beat' CNN and MSNBC with some news. It also led to the first meet-up, which has spawned thousands of meet-ups since: metatalk.metafilter.com/523/Seattle-Meetup.
2. 9/11 thread
The planes hitting the building took place almost live on the site, which now serves as a historical document of everyone’s emotions on that exact morning.
3. Russian Girls thread
Last summer, a friend noticed two Russian students he taught previously were coming to America for summer jobs, but the details kept changing and sounded shady, and he was worried they might be caught up in a sex-trafficking ring. A bunch of members of the site in NYC pulled through and met up with the girls, explained what was going on, and housed them for weeks before raising enough money to send them home.
4. Is it 'beep beep' or 'meep meep'?
A user wonders if the Road Runner in cartoons says “meep meep” or “beep beep,” and eventually, after a bunch of speculation, a friend of Chuck Jones and Mel Blanc chimes in with the ultimate answer.
5. Tracking down an address from 1939
A member asks how to track down where his grandfather lived in Vienna, Austria, in 1939 before having to flee to the U.S. to escape capture by the Nazis. Luckily, a researcher at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., not only found the address in the museum’s document archive but also found his immigration papers and gave them to the family. The member got to visit the site where his grandfather lived several months later on a European trip."
i am in oslo city about 0.5 km from the bomb site. felt it well here.posted by scalefree at 11:28 AM on July 22, 2011
it was a fake police officer shooting people at the political youth camp.
not much more, i knew people at the camp and they hid (and are safe now). 4 or more people dead there. 5-10 dead in the bomb blast. several government buildings are totalled in the city centre here.
One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.posted by wcfields at 4:22 PM on July 22, 2011 [2 favorites]
17 Jul via web
Much of the support for the far right in Denmark comes from the working class, which chafed the most at ultraliberal immigration policies that allowed thousands of immigrants — from Iran, Iraq and the Balkans — to enter the country in the 1970s, ’80 and ’90s.posted by psyche7 at 6:33 PM on July 22, 2011
"Trond Agnar suddenly appeared. He said many had tried to swim, but had swum back because it was too cold, too long, and difficult simply. But you know what? I'd rather drown than to be shot. Sorry. I took off my shirt, and with encouragement from Matti, I started to swim. It was heavy, so I had to take off my pants, too. Driitkaldt.posted by ocherdraco at 8:24 PM on July 22, 2011 [6 favorites]
I swam. Matti saved me. He said the right thing and he did the right thing. He got me to swim - so far. When we had swum a piece Matti said: "Kamzy, now you do not look back. You should look straight ahead in the country side and think that it is your goal. "
"Ok" - I said. We heard shots all the time, and I'm still surprised that I or Matti was not hit.
(But, I learned later that he was there. It was therefore Matti told me to look straight ahead. He was just at the place we had just buried us. My God! And he had tried to shoot at us. We were chased)
But I swam. So there were some boats that should save us. The one boat threw lifesaving vests and had to drive on. Then came the next boat to fetch us. Even when we had reached the boat, so I could not relax. It just was not "yes, we are saved" - spirit. He can still hit us with his machine gun! I put my umiddebart on the floor of the boat. I did not feel safe. Not at all."
One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interestsBold added, because he changed it from Mill's original quote of 99 (also telling that he wrote it in English, possibly for a global audience). In the book "Why not kill them all? The logic and prevention of mass political murder", one of the major factors for the psychology of political killing is categorizing a group that is in the extremist's mind reproducible (they believe their enemy to be like a hydra), but also categorizing vast numbers of diverse people under one essence ("kultural-marxists" or "100 000 strong who have only interests"). Also note that this goes both ways, he is not only categorizing his imagined enemies, but also himself. In his mind, he is the one against the many. So, he's created an in-group, out-group dynamic (another factor in political killings).
"I prayed, prayed, prayed. I hope that God saw me. I called Mom and said that it was not safe we would meet again, but that I would do anything to clear me. I said several times that I loved her. I heard fear in her voice. She cried. It hurt. "My heart is broken for everyone who received a call like that and didn't see their child alive again.
It's always odd what it is that finally pushes you over the edge, emotionallyYes it is isn't it.
Basically: Coupled with healthy realism and a solid police force the faith in humanity is a valuable thing in itself. It says: Our justice system believes blindly in justice. We will not kill, because killing is wrong.From the Øystein Runde post donnagirl linked to above.
I know I sound awfully politically correct, as i am relentlessly soft, multi-cultural and left-wing.
But after today, as the worst human being in Europe is hard, mono-cultural and right-wing, it will be very, very, very hard to tease anyone for being too "politically correct"
But they do not breed goodwill; rather, the result is that Europeans feel increasingly – and understandably – threatened. On far too many occasions, more extremist right wing groups have taken to striking back: burning mosques, painting swastikas on Muslims’ homes, and committing similar acts of hate. Breivik has simply taken a different approach: he attacked what he sees as the enablers — frustrated, perhaps, by a failure to vote them out of power. It is a new form of protest, and he is the first to use it. But I fear that, unless Europe begins demanding that its Muslim population live according to its Enlightenment traditions and the values of democracy, he will not be the last.Boy, that Abigail R. Esman from Forbes sure knows how to turn a stomach with a turn of phrase. I'm apoplectic that she seems to be saying that, because democracy didn't work the way he wanted it, it was somehow "understandable" that he'd shoot up an island full of teenagers because it's "a protest." It isn't a new form of protest at all. It's being a terrorist.
Their concerns are real: efforts to censor the Danish cartoons; to restage Mozart operas (as happened in Berlin in 2006); to silence dissent (as in the recent criminal case brought against Wilders, and similar compromises to democratic principles, have created a sense of genuine fear for the future of European culture.What? European culture must be pretty shaky if these things--a trial, a controversial cartoon, Mozart (!)--threaten it.
The killer was right-wing and anti-jihad, yes, but he was not a neo-Nazi (he was pro-Israel) or a white supremacist (he opposed the BNP because they are racist). He was Christian, but not a fanatic (he was pro-gay).posted by MikeMc at 5:16 PM on July 23, 2011
In fact he was apparently like me - liberal right. He was anti-racist, pro-gay and pro-Israel. So how on earth did someone like that become a terrorist against the West?
Feminism was conceived and birthed in the 1830s, in the generation experiencing theposted by jokeefe at 8:08 PM on July 23, 2011
first stage of the industrial revolution. Women, who for centuries had shared the challenges of surviving in an agrarian life, were becoming part of a middle-class gentry with more time and energy to spend writing newspaper articles and novels for their “sisters.” The initial stages of the feminisation of European culture had started.
Q: Violent Muslim gangs in European cities are not exactly a new phenomenon. We hear about indigenous European youths getting harassed, beaten, raped and robbed quite often. Tell us about your experiences during your “vulnerable years”(14-18) growing up in the urban multicultural streets of Oslo....
A: Since I was 12 years old I was into the hip-hop movement. For several years I was one of the most notable “hip-hop’ers” from Oslo’s West side. It was a lot easier to “gain respect and credibility” in Oslo West because of the demographic factors. Oslo West was the “privileged and predominantly native side” of Oslo with very few immigrants in contrast to the East side which was less peaceful. Graffiti and break dance was an important part of our life at that point. Around 1993 and 1994, at 15, I was the most active tagger (grafitti artist) in Oslo as several people in the old school hip-hop community can attest to.
People reading this might ask if I contributed in any way to the above conflicts. The answer is no (with only one exception, when I replied to the girl). As all my friends can attest to I wouldn’t be willing to hurt a fly and I have never used violence against others. Also, me and my friends were quite fit and self confident during this phase because we worked out a lot. This acted as a deterrent so we were rarely targeted by Muslims. If we wanted to we could have harassed and beaten up dozens of Muslim youth. However, as we didn’t share their savage mentality, violence was pointless. We therefore avoided confrontations as often as humanly possible....
Q: Can you describe your strengths and flaws as an individual?That answer then goes on and on, stretching to forever. His self-absorption was total.
A: I’m an extremely patient and a very positively minded individual. I have obviously changed my ways over the years and am now driven by idealistic goals and work for the interests of my countrymen and all Europeans. Most people would not acknowledge the work yet (nor are they likely to appreciate it during my lifetime) but this is an irrelevant fact for me. With time they will understand what is going on around them and that what we are trying to accomplish will benefit not only them, but most importantly their children and grandchildren.
As for current flaws in my personality I guess have many stereotypical flaws. F example; I sound quite self righteous at times and I don’t like admitting it when I’m wrong, although I usually do. I still have a relatively inflated ego, with a constant need to feed on an intellectual level. This is a quite common flaw and I try to suppress it although I know I fail as most people do. Also, over the years I’ve generally been perceived as quite arrogant (even downright unpleasant at times, the last few years). This is likely due to the fact that I do not care as much as I did for creating or preserving social relationships due to my life choice. I guess it is also due the way I choose my rhetorical approaches, which is to a certain degree only an indirect defensive mechanism. I, as most people, like to think I have a superb self confidence. But people who show signs of arrogance usually often use deliberate defensive manifestation to camouflage intellectual or social insecurity or perhaps they just don’t care.
I took a year off when I was 25 and played WoW PvE hardcore for a year.posted by Sticherbeast at 10:51 PM on July 23, 2011
Conservatism - Alliance, human female mage – PvE, Server: Silvermoon Conservative - Horde, tauren female resto druid – PvP, Server: Silvermoon
I raided hardcore and was a guild leader in a couple of hardcore guilds: Virtue, then Unit, Nordrassil – Rank 1 Alliance PvE. We transferred the guild to Silvermoon. I grew tired of running the guild and sorting recruitment issues so I joined Nevermore, another hardcore guild on Silvermoon (Rank 3). Silvermoon is the most progressed Alliance server in the world out of more than 300 servers (10 million + players worldwide) so the competition is extremely hard. This means we were one of the most progressed guilds in the world at one time. I can honestly say running a hardcore WoW guild is equally challenging to running your own business with 7 employees or more. It requires an extreme amount of work in order to be successful and get server first kills. It was a good experience and something I wanted to do at least a limited amount of time during a period of my life.
Alternatively, you should allow the forming of 2 professional servers in Europe (one PvP, one PvE) where the GMs of the 10 most progressed guilds make essential server policies.posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 11:28 PM on July 23, 2011
And dont phase out 25 man plx by making 10 man loot equal to 25 man loot. Current policies=Marxism. Suggested policies=Conservatism<3
But what exactly is “Political Correctness?” Marxists have used the term for at least 80 years, as a broad synonym for “the General Line of the Party.” It could be said that Political Correctness is the General Line of the Establishment in Western EuropeanObviously political correctness is a epithet developed by conservatives use to describe attempts (perhaps overzealous in some cases) by liberals to get rid of racism/sexism by casting those attempts in an orwellian light.
countries today;
If a man of the 1950s were suddenly introduced into Western Europe in the 2000s, he would hardly recognise it as the same country. He would be in immediate danger of getting mugged, carjacked or worse, because he would not have learned to live in constant fear. He would not know that he shouldn’t go into certain parts of the city, that5-10 years after the end of WWII? Did the average European man even have a car? As I recall there was a ton of political instability, the establishment of the iron curtain, etc. He seems to have imported the 1950s ideal from the U.S to Europe, where it didn't really exist (and really how does it even make sense to talk about a conceptual 'Europe' in that decade? it was a continent, not a country, there was nothing like the EU)
his car must not only be locked but equipped with an alarm, that he dare not go to sleep
at night without locking the windows and bolting the doors – and setting the electronic
security system.
It's not just those panicked passengers who have crossed this line. There are intellectuals on the British right who are propagating a conspiracy theory about Muslims that teeters very close to being a 21st century Protocols of the Elders of Mecca. Meet Bat Ye'or, a "scholar" who argues that Europe is on the brink of being transformed into a conquered continent called "Eurabia".posted by bitteschoen at 2:09 AM on July 24, 2011 [10 favorites]
In this new land, Christians and Jews will be reduced by the new Muslim majority to the status of "dhimmis" - second-class citizens forced to "walk in the gutter". This will not happen by accident. It is part of a deliberate and "occult" plan, concocted between the Arab League and leading European politicians like Jacques Chirac and Mary Robinson, who secretly love Islam and are deliberately flooding the continent with Muslim immigrants. As Orianna Fallacci - one of the best-selling writers in Italy - has summarised the thesis in her hymns of praise to Ye'or, "Muslims have been told to come here and breed like rats."
Rather than dismissing her preposterous assertions, high-profile writers like Melanie Phillips, Daniel Pipes and Niall Ferguson laud Ye'or as a suppressed hero, silenced by (you guessed it) "political correctness". Her name is brandished as a gold standard in right-wing Tory circles. It's interesting that writers so alert to anti-Semitism have lent their names to an ideology that is so startlingly similar. In this theory, the Star of David has simply been replaced by the Islamic crescent. If the term has any meaning, this is authentic Islamophobia, treating virtually all Muslims as verminous sharia-carriers. So why are these people still treated as serious and sane by the BBC and its editors?
He admitted responsibility. He feels that it was cruel to have to carry out these acts but that, in his head, it was necessary.This is pretty much where mainstreaming of extremist politics gets you.
He has said that he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary.
He's stated that he went to Utøya [where 700 youths in the age of 15-25 were gathered] to give the Labour party a warning that 'doomsday would be imminent' unless the party changed its policies,.
He wanted to hurt the Labour party and halt its recruitment in the worst possible way, referring to party members as marxists.
I think he's realised what he's done, and he views himself as sane. He's told me that he surrendered to Delta [Norwegian special forces].
He wanted to open doors [by committing these crimes]. He will explain the background of his actions and why he actually did it for media.
He sits on a lot of hatred for many people, which incorporates most significant societal institutions.
He says that there was no other way. He had tried all possible alternatives.He felt that his actions were gruesome, but necessary.
A guilt-ridden Europe has paid a dear price for its colonial transgressions: it let in 20 million Muslims, carriers of a civilization so alien to the West that it constitutes a clear and present danger to its very survival. Radicalism, militancy, fanaticism, anti-individualism, misogynism, and anti-Western sentiments are rife among these aliens and immigrants. It is nothing short of a fifth column and a backdoor to the great centers of Western power, such as the USA. Muslims make suave use of Western civil rights and reflexive multiculturalism and political correctness to further their agenda: a hostile takeover, not an amicable merger.She seems to be pretty mainstream as well, been published in: The Economist, Forbes, Vogue, The Wall Street Journal, The New Republic....
Keep - keep your handsposted by desjardins at 7:29 AM on July 24, 2011 [3 favorites]
In revulsion against violence and in sympathy with all affected
We are now 320,306 to keep each other's hands.
Click here to strengthen the link
the death threats against teachers in France and Holland and elsewhere when they try to teach their students about the Holocaustand
the decision by Holland’s construction workers’ union to require workers long sleeves and long pants even on the hottest summer days – a response to protests a couple of years ago from Muslims who claimed to be “offended” by workers in shorts and T-shirts performing construction in near-100-degree heat.Does anyone have any citations for this? Because I am Dutch and I've never heard of it. Honest question.
I have managed to divert their suspicions. They thought I played World of Warcraft in hiding and some of them think that I have chosen to live halfway through the insulation because of an alleged homosexual relationship the suspect trying to hide. LOL! quite hilarious, since I am one hundred percent heterosexual, but they can believe whatever they want as long as they do not ask me questions. smiley!, writes the author.Machine translated from this article
Abigail,The author emailed me again to note that she had deleted my comment because she felt it was irrelevant.
Of the two articles you emailed me, the Parool article mentions threats but no death threats, and the CIDI article mentions no threats at all.
News articles about the Almere construction workers incident mention no union decision whatsoever. Elsevier reported that workers involved "took note of the complaints" [translation mine] but specified no plans to take action on them.
This is the original Telegraaf report, for reference. It too specifies no action taken on the purported complaints, let alone a union ruling.
Lastly, the record high temperature measured in the Netherlands in May 2008 -- the Telegraaf report was published May 17 -- was 28.5 degrees C, or around 83 degrees F. This cannot in my honest opinion be reasonably described as "near-100-degree heat".
I do not intend to minimize problems that do exist, but I would urge you to base your writing on established facts. Thank you for your time.
Best regards,
Paul G. Hunt
Netherlands
The author emailed me again to note that she had deleted my comment because she felt it was irrelevant.Tradition dictates you must post this email to the comments.
A well known factoid not just in the UK: Mohammad is the most popular name for newborn boys in Oslo. But that's only in Oslo - not in the rest of the country, and no other traditional islamic names are among the top 20 boys names in Oslo.Because (as other people pointed out) Christians (at least in the UK and probably Norway) don't name their kids "Jesus". If you look at all biblical names: John, Mark, Paul, etc they way outnumber Mohammad. (Btw one of my teachers in highschool was pretty religious and she named her son Cain which I thought was kind of badass)
Scotland Yard’s domestic extremism unit is trying to identify the seven other people who attended the inaugural meeting of the “European Military Order and Criminal Tribunal” of the “Knights Templar” in London in April 2002.posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 2:33 PM on July 24, 2011
He wrote: “The order is to serve as an armed Indigenous Rights Organisation and as a Crusader Movement” and said the session was hosted by an English Protestant. Another English extremist was also present as well as French, German, Greek, Dutch and Russian delegates.
One day I had a friend request on Facebook from Anders Breivik. There wasn't anything odd about that: when I was a member of SD I was magnetically attractive to everyone who called himself a nationalist: both those for whom it was a game, and the real extremists. Those were, in fact, the people who drove me away from the party. A machine of hate propaganda pumped through my feed on Facebook. There were YouTube clips of massacre victims, demands that all the "fucking niggers" should get out of the country, and far more horrible things.posted by bitteschoen at 2:56 PM on July 24, 2011 [8 favorites]
I reacted by backing away. But for many other people who are weak, or feel bad for some reason, this stream was something to drink from. They egg each other on to believe that the Social Democrats are guilty of all the horrors we'll come to experience; that immigrants rape and murder and that it's the socialists' fault. It is the fault of Mona Sahlin, former Social Democrat leader, that we will be forced to wear burkas and live under sharia law by 2020.
(...) He said very little on Facebook. He was a very quiet man, but that in itself gave me the creeps. I followed him for a while because I wanted to find out if he was what he claimed to be, or maybe "a spy". Please understand that if you're a member of the SD you have to put on your paranoid hat: you learn that there is an enemy hiding round every corner.
There are many people like me – Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, and other Europeans – who had this person as a friend on Facebook. I wonder how they feel now.
Everyone who is critical of aspects of our immigration policies must wake up and realise what their endless talk about dangers and hatred can lead to. Even though no one wanted to fuel this terrible act in Norway, that's what they actually did. And there are more people out there who are looking for reasons to justify their actions by being able to refer to what "others" have written, above all on the net.
(...) Now I will continue to feel sick that I had one of the worst murderers in years on my friend list. I am ashamed of that. I am ashamed.
An Interview with a Madman: Breivik Asks and Answers His Own Questions.posted by ericb at 2:59 PM on July 24, 2011
On Saturday morning I saw a Fox News anchor tell former US diplomat John Bolton that Norwegian police were saying this appeared to be an Oklahoma-style attack, then ask him how that squared with his earlier assessment that al-Qaida were involved. He was sceptical. It was still too early to leap to conclusions, he said. We should wait for all the facts before rushing to judgment. In other words: assume it's the Muslims until it starts to look like it isn't – at which point, continue to assume it's them anyway.posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 3:33 PM on July 24, 2011 [3 favorites]
However, in quite a few public schools in Oslo, a majority of the pupils are multiethnic. There has been some news stories about pupils who couldn't bring salami sandwiches to school, because of the pork content...Here in the UK we have examples of "well-meaning" officials (to give them the benefit of the doubt) taking it upon themselves to ban items/activities they believe will be offensive cultures other than their own (like Christmas trees). Not only are they misguided, they're giving ammunition to the red tops like the Daily Mail to stir up more racist crap.
Is this news story kosher or is just baloney? (boom boom)
But seriously, this strikes me as very odd. I went to junior and high schools in London which were both very multiethnic/multireligious - plenty of kosher observant Jews and plenty of halal observant Muslims and plenty of Christians - and agonist/atheists too (like me). Never had a rule like this about not being able to bring pork to school (!)
posted by Bwithh at 2:18 PM on July 24 [+] [!]
I know that the Norwegian people have sentenced me to death, and that the easiest course for me would be to take my own life. But I want to let history reach its own verdict. Believe me, in ten years' time I will have become another Saint Olav.Familiar-seeming messianic delusions? It's not the shooter, but rather Vidkun Quisling. I imagine Breivik's name will earn a similar place in Norwegian history. One can only hope he thoroughly discredits his fellow-travellers.
It will soon be two days since we suffered the worst crime committed in our land since the war. On Utøya and in Oslo. It feels like an eternity. They have been hours, days, nights filled with shock , despair, anger, and tears.[source] Translation by journalist Andrew J. Boyle. Here's the quoted CNN interview with Stine Renate Håheim, who is quoting her friend. I hope that if I ever experience something so heinous, I can show such strong moral fortitude.
Today the time has come for mourning. Today we must allow ourselves to take account. To remember the dead. To mourn those who are no longer with us. Ninety-two lives have been lost, several people are still missing. Each and every life that has been lost is a tragedy. And together the number of people killed amounts to a national tragedy.
We are still struggling to get to grips with the dimension of what has happened. Many of us know people that have been killed. And many more have second hand acquaintance with someone that was killed.
I knew several of them. One of them was Monica. She worked at the Utøya camp for more than 20 years. For many of us Monica was Utøya. Now she is dead, shot and killed while creating safe and pleasant acitivities for young people from all over the country. Her husband Jon, and daughters Viktoria and Helene, are attending a service in Drammen Church today. It is so unjust! It is important that you know that we are weeping with you.
Another who is gone is Tore Eikeland, leader of the Labour youth league (AUF) Hordaland and one of our most talented young politicians. I remember when he managed to get the whole Party Congress to break out in applause when he held an impassioned speech about postal policy in Europe. Now he has gone. Gone for always. It is quite simply impossible to grasp.
These are just two of those we have lost. Many more lost their lives on Utøya and in the government buildings. Soon we will have the names of all those who died and see images of them. Then the full extent of the evil that has been perpetrated will become clear, in all its horror. It will be a new ordeal. But we will get through that also.
In the middle of all these tragic events, I am proud to live in a country that has stood firm at a critical time. I am deeply impressed by how much dignity and compassion I have seen. We are a small nation, but a proud people. We will never abandon our values. Our reply is: more democracy, more openness, and more humanity. But never naivity.
No one has said it better than the AUF girl who was interviewed by CNN: "If one man can show so much hate, think how much love we could show, standing together."
A muffled ripple of applause spread through the crowd as King Harald arrived to sign a book of remembrance, before he and Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg climbed the steps of the neo-classical building, and faced the crowd standing hushed in the summer drizzle.via Guardian rolling news coverage
"In remembrance of the victims … I declare one minute's national silence," Stoltenberg said, standing dressed in black on the steps next to the king and queen, the whole group flanked by two burning torches.
The silence stretched to five minutes as thousands more stood around a carpet of flowers outside the nearby Oslo cathedral. The only sound was the squawking of seagulls and a lone dog barking.
Cars stopped in the streets and their drivers got out and stood motionless as traffic lights changed from red to green.
A Tale of Heroism During the Norwegian Massacre.posted by ericb at 10:51 AM on July 25, 2011 [2 favorites]
Norway Shooting: German Tourist Hailed A Hero After Saving 30 Lives.
[I]t must be said that [Bervik] is a serious political thinker with a great many insights and some good practical ideas on strategy[.]posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 11:10 AM on July 25, 2011
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In any case, he is certainly right in characterizing multiculturalism as an ideology of hate.
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I suppose it is possible that in the long run European elites will understand that the glorious multicultural future will not be attained without a great deal of bloodletting and realize they will have to change their ways.
Glenn Beck's 9-12 ProjectI genuinely thought that you were linking to a parody site such as The Onion. I really didn't think that I could loathe Glen Beck any more than I already did. Just been proved wrong. What a sack of shit he is.
Here's another option now that the kids are out of school: a weeklong seminar about our nation's founding principles, courtesy of the Tampa 912 Project.
The organization, which falls under the tea party umbrella, hopes to introduce kids ages 8 to 12 to principles that include "America is good," "I believe in God," and "I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable."
posted by futz at 10:45 AM on July 25 [+] [!]
The three parties VVD, PVV and CDA disagree about the nature and character of Islam. The division lies in the characterization of Islam as either a religion or a (political) ideology. The parties accept one another's differing views on this matter and will act according to their own beliefs.Because Christian Democrats and VVD rely on Wilders' Freedom Party (PVV) for their (single-seat, mind you) majority, they will steer clear of doing anything to piss him off. But they had to get the pesky ideological inconvenience of religious equality — only Article 1 of the Constitution after all — out of the way before they jumped into bed together.
OK folks I have clarified: It was a mistranslation. Police did NOT call the terrorist's name before his arrest: He just came when they calledposted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:03 PM on July 25, 2011
Marcel Gleffe and his family had been hoping for a week of relaxation at a Norwegian campground. But when gunfire started on an island across the water, he and several others jumped into their boats and began rescuing distraught teenagers swimming for their lives. "It goes without saying," he says.posted by ob1quixote at 10:33 PM on July 25, 2011 [2 favorites]
"Her book, To Miss with Love, is out now."posted by humph at 9:47 AM on July 26, 2011
Target practise is likely going to be a problem for many people in certain countries (urban Europeans like us, ouch:). Consider taking a vacation to a country where you are able to train in marksmanship or join a gun club. Simulation by playing Call of Duty, Modern Warfare is a good alternative as well but you should try to get some practise with a real assault rifle (with red point optic) if possible.and:
I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.That's a perfect Nancy Grace scare story right there.
Mario Borghezio, a European Parliament member for the anti-immigration Northern League, said he agreed with Breivik's "opposition to Islam and his explicit accusation that Europe has surrendered before putting up a fight against its Islamisation [... ] some of the ideas (of Breivik's) are good, in certain cases even excellent."posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 10:40 AM on July 26, 2011
No, the E.D.L. ... does not condone the murders of civil servants and summer campers. But the E.D.L. and groups like it do contribute to the creation of worlds, online and actual, in which people like Breivik find reinforcement. They foster a community in which openness and tolerance are called treachery and threats to the nation’s well being. They gather kindling, but shrug when there’s a fire.posted by jokeefe at 2:07 PM on July 26, 2011 [5 favorites]
I disse tunge stunder for deg og resten av nasjonen vil vi i denne gruppen at du skal vite at vi tenker på deg, du også er en av de pårørende. Du er også hardt rammet, du også er en av ofrene, du også er en av de som skal bli møtt med mer omsorg, mer kjærlighet og mer omtanke.posted by Harald74 at 2:10 PM on July 26, 2011 [4 favorites]
In these difficult times for you and the rest of the nation we in this group would like you to know that we're thinking of you, you are also one of the next of kin. You have been struck hard, you're also a victim of this, and you're also one of those who shall be met with more support, more love and more compassion
"On Wednesday, the Daily Mail reported that Breivik had consumed a cocktail of drugs prior to his attack in order to be 'strong and efficient,' according to the defense lawyer. Breivik had plotted to inject poison into the bullets during the attack, though it was unclear whether he had actually done so. He wore a police uniform to draw young campers to him, and appeared in total control during the island rampage, police official Odd Reidar Humlegaard said."*posted by ericb at 12:06 PM on July 27, 2011 [1 favorite]
To the People of Norway —posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 2:49 PM on July 27, 2011
We are all heartbroken by the tragic loss of so many people — particularly youth with the fullness of life ahead of them. No words can ease the sorrow, but please know that the thoughts and prayers of all of American [sic] are with the people of Norway, and that we will stand beside you every step of the way.
At each demonstration I attended, I was confronted by casual racism, a widespread hatred of Muslims and often the threat of violence. But I also met non-white people, gay rights activists, disaffected working class men and women, and middle-class intellectuals. I came to the conclusion that the EDL is not a simple rerun of previous far-right street groups.posted by bitteschoen at 9:07 AM on July 28, 2011 [2 favorites]
... It seems to me it has acted as a lightening rod for a range of different groups brought together by a virulent Islamphobia - from racial nationalist,to football hooligans and as you say gay rights activists.
... And yes i think the mainstream political parties [and wider society] has some responsibility for not challenging the rise of Islamophobia over the past decade.
... There are several Defence Leagues that have sprung up around Europe. More work needs to be done to establish whether this constitutes an organised "pan European movement". There are also a growing number of far right organisations not linked to the EDL that are becoming increasingly influential in many countries.
...The government, the academic community and the security and police services need to do a lot more to understand these groups - and the threats they pose.
...There are those who want to oppose what they term "Islamic extremism", but on most demonstrations I was on that distinction was lost. The majority seemed opposed, , Muslims, Asian and often anyone who was non white. (...) Every single demonstration I attended I experienced vicious racism often accompanied by violence or the threat of violence. Not once was this challenged in even the most half-hearted way [although of course i this may have happened when I was not there.] I think we have to look beyond what the website says in its formal statements and listen to what its supporters say and do.
Geller justifies Breivik’s attack on the Norwegian Labour Party summer youth camp because she says the camp is part of an anti-Israel “indoctrination training center.” She says the victims would have grown up to become “future leaders of the party responsible for flooding Norway with Muslims who refuse to assimilate, who commit major violence against Norwegian natives including violent gang rapes, with impunity, and who live on the dole.”So she is justifying mass murder based upon her supposed ability to predict the future, further based on her observation that a bunch of kids in a photo look vaguely Middle Eastern?
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Under the picture, Geller writes: “Note the faces which are more MIddle [sic] Eastern or mixed than pure Norwegian.”
"Pamela Geller ... has responded to the Oslo attacks by skirting dangerously close to justifying violence by attacking the victims."posted by ericb at 3:01 PM on August 1, 2011
Lars Von Trier: 'I'm A Nazi... I Understand Hitler.'posted by ericb at 3:30 PM on August 1, 2011 [1 favorite]
Lars Von Trier: 'Nazi' Persona Non Grata, BANNED From Cannes Film Festival.
A secret network called ORG , which has sought to ‘clean’ Denmark of immigrants and have a showdown with ‘traitors’ who have made immigration possible, has been active in infiltrating political and right-wing organisations, according to documents Politiken has obtained.Everything about the story sounds like it's straight out of a Nordic crime thriller. The existence of ORG (a name which, if I came across it in a crime novel, would cause me stop reading because really, how ridiculous) was even uncovered and exposed by crusading left-wing activist journalist-hackers called, equally ridiculously, Redox.
ORG, which has some 100 members, was started by a small group of men, several of whom have held leading positions in the Danish People’s Party, or been candidates for the party, while at the same time taking part in Ku Klux Klan-type events and exerting influence on extreme right-wing organisations.
Several ORG members have said they are willing to use violence against immigrants, and have praised the Hells Angels support group AK81 for ‘beating provocative wogs’.
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While ORG has managed to keep the organisation secret for more than 20 years, Politiken has obtained internal ORG documents.
The documents include ORG’s organisational setup and tasks, several years of communication between the network’s leading members on a closed Internet forum as well as examples of the network’s extensive ‘traitor archive’, which is called ‘The Great Memory’. The documents show that ORG monitored political opponents, certainly until 2009, and was ready to share its information with the Den Danske Forening association, which is vehemently opposed to immigration.
The secret network’s Copenhagen leader, known as PUJ, received a suspended sentence in 2009 for having abused his position as a policeman to gather information on political adversaries.
Before the recent atrocity, a group of Muslims residing in a major Norwegian city sought permission to build a mosque. They explained that the biggest part of their funding—around $ 3 million—would come from Wahhabi Saudi Arabia. The municipal authorities—backed by the Norwegian government—turned them down.This is a view I don't remember seeing much expressed on the left (apart from Hitchens types) and one I suspect many readers will be uncomfortable with.
This was not Islamophobia, but a wise decision that should be emulated throughout the West. The construction of mosques, which serve as community centers as well as places of worship, is to be welcomed when the funding comes from sources that are accountable to communities that use them. When that funding comes from the state that produced fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists (and whose intelligence services may even have been implicated in the attack, or from other religious sources that preach hatred or disdain for “infidels,” the authorities have every right to refuse.
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