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That made my day! Thanks so much. And man, love me some David Tennant.
posted by purenitrous at 9:50 PM on October 30, 2011 [2 favorites]


Oh man, the 500 miles thing made me a little, uh, teary...
posted by Lutoslawski at 9:52 PM on October 30, 2011


ALSO CAN I PLEASE HAVE A JOB WITH DR WHO PRETTY PLEASE
posted by Lutoslawski at 9:53 PM on October 30, 2011 [10 favorites]


Much thanks.
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:55 PM on October 30, 2011


Squee!
posted by Space Kitty at 10:06 PM on October 30, 2011


Whoa, these are awesome. Though seeing Lis Sladen in the first one made me sad.
posted by kmz at 10:10 PM on October 30, 2011 [8 favorites]


Can I just say that Catherine Tate was the best thing that happened in New Who. Thanks for posting. People came around to my cubicle to see why I was playing the Proclaimers
posted by the noob at 10:15 PM on October 30, 2011 [4 favorites]


David Tennant, just, yes please. And everyone else is totes adorbs too.
posted by dame at 10:24 PM on October 30, 2011


Wow. I was having a sucky weekend, but this made up for a lot of it. THANK YOU. What great wrap parties they must have had.
posted by OolooKitty at 10:32 PM on October 30, 2011


Is whatever album that song is off of worth it? I only ever knew 'em as one-hit-wonders (it wound up included in the Benny & Joon soundtrack which I think is how it got its US presence).
posted by curious nu at 10:34 PM on October 30, 2011


I love Amy and Rory, but Donna was the first companion that I really saw myself in - older, not as picture perfect. She made me feel like I could be a companion. (Except that when it comes to aliens, I'm more like her grandfather).
posted by jb at 10:41 PM on October 30, 2011 [5 favorites]


Tennant era

Of course Moffat had them all executed during the purge.
posted by Artw at 11:05 PM on October 30, 2011 [2 favorites]


curious nu, that Proclaimers album is terrific. Yes, it's worth it.
posted by OolooKitty at 11:49 PM on October 30, 2011 [1 favorite]


I love that the script editors wreck the double-decker bus in the pile of sand.
posted by scrowdid at 11:50 PM on October 30, 2011 [1 favorite]


He would walk 500 miles? But... but I thought he didn't want to go...
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:55 PM on October 30, 2011


And the picture of Verity Lambert on Catherine-Tate-as-Julie's desk, and Terry Nation on Tennant-as-Russell's desk... beauty!
posted by scrowdid at 12:01 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


this just reinforces my love of the Russell run, i honestly can't see this from the moffett group. Not sure why, just seems to take itself too seriously now.
posted by usagizero at 12:11 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


Yes, there is definitely a spirit of fun that's missing for me now.
posted by OolooKitty at 12:13 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


I'd seen the clip of "The Proclaimers And Their Biggest Fan" from the first link earlier; this just made me happy.

Ah, David, you were my Doctor.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:29 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


well then... seems I still have my crush on David Tennant
posted by prettypretty at 12:38 AM on October 31, 2011 [4 favorites]


Is whatever album that song is off of worth it?

Yes! If only to hear them pronounce the phrase "Tupelo, Mississippi."
posted by Sys Rq at 1:07 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


I was kind of meh about this until 1:35 (on the first link) and then I laughed out loud and started singing along.
posted by lollusc at 1:09 AM on October 31, 2011


Oh my god this made my week already. Thank you so much. I am giggling like a mad person.
posted by pemberkins at 4:36 AM on October 31, 2011


I thought I couldn't squeak any louder... and then the Adipose. People now think I own a ferret.
posted by running order squabble fest at 4:59 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Weird there seems to be exactly one mon-white person in the entire cast and crew.
posted by humanfont at 5:13 AM on October 31, 2011


Weird there seems to be exactly one mon-white person in the entire cast and crew.

*looks at the scene with Freema Agyeman, David Tennant, and Noel Clarke*

*counts*

*looks at humanfont Okay, I give up. Is it Freema or Noel that you're seeing is white?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:18 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Plus there's Rassilon. He was black in a previous incarnation.
posted by feelinglistless at 5:34 AM on October 31, 2011


There are also BME people among the crew. That said, and excepting the genuinely odd Clarke-and-Agyeman dyad unseeing, it seems credible for an American to be surprised at the overall lack of diversity in the cast and crew. I'd assume that it's a combination of the crew being almost entirely drawn from Wales (where there is less ethnic diversity generally than in the BBC's London and Manchester heartlands) and a similar lack of diversity in the BBC's management and executive recruiting grounds.
posted by running order squabble fest at 5:34 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Having a job where you can goof off to make a tribute video for a departed colleague: cool.

Having a job where absolutely plays along to support you: great.

Having a job where you have the ability not only to use the Proclaimers song - but to bring in the band to play a bit part in your video: priceless!
posted by rongorongo at 5:35 AM on October 31, 2011 [5 favorites]


I kind of love how all of the commenters on the first link are falling in love with Sue The Caterer Who Drums On A Pot And Doesn't Lipsync.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:36 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Could life get any better?
posted by glaucon at 5:38 AM on October 31, 2011


I just finished reading the Steve Jobs eulogy before I clicked on this. I'm glad I did.
posted by tommasz at 5:47 AM on October 31, 2011


Of course Moffat had them all executed during the purge.

Would that that were so, now that would be wonderful.
posted by juiceCake at 6:06 AM on October 31, 2011


I don't know, the Moffat crew gets up to quite a few shenanigans as well:

Matt, Karen, and Arthur beatbox the Doctor Who theme in an elevator
Matt, Karen, and Artur serenade Confidential

But, if you haven't seen this before, you MUST watch the skit that Tennant and Tate did for Red Nose Comic Relief in 2007. Oh, and here's a duet between them of "We Go Together" from Much Ado About Nothing.

PS, for those who are on Tumblr, Sue the Caterer is garnering a massive fan following. It's rather hilarious.
posted by Phire at 6:07 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


It took 'till The Ood to get my laughing out loud. Thanks for starting what's setting up to be a long week on a positive note!!
posted by jmd82 at 6:12 AM on October 31, 2011 [4 favorites]


Alright, I can't resist mentioning this, and someone's brought up MUCH ADO, so I will.

I've heard -- and had personal experience with -- the fact that David Tennant is one of the most incredibly gracious capital-C-level celebrities out there; he's very kind and patient with fans, many of whom are often quite flailing and wibbly when they meet him.

I went to see MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING, and waited outside the stage door along with all the rest of the fangirls. I've seen this kind of celebrity-at-the-stage-door signing before -- they're usually very tightly run, with the Celebrity coming out with a pen already in hand and they just grab programs and sign their name and give them back at record speed, trying to sign as many as possible. No time for personal inscriptions, often they don't let people offer anything other than the program for that specific show. Usually this makes the Celebrity just focused on the programs alone -- grab one, sign, hand back, grab the next, sign, hand back, so they can sign as many as possible. They fall into a trap of not really looking at the people or engaging with them much outside of an occasional "thanks!" if someone shouts out a comment (yes, I'm looking at YOU, Daniel-Radcliffe-at-the-stage-door-for-EQUUS).

But both David and Catherine took the time to look people in the eye as they grabbed for the programs, and engage with the things people were saying, even if it was just for a few seconds. When someone said something outside of the usual "great job!" they even engaged in tiny conversations. (When I was brave enough to tell David that "this show was worth my red-eye flight from New York this morning," he stopped signing for a second and marvled aloud that I'd flown all that way just to see the show, and then asked whether I was holding up okay or if I was "all jet-lagged", and teased me a bit when I said I'd gotten some sleep in Iceland somewhere --"ah, you're FINE, then, you've got nothing to complain about!" He also asked whether I worked in theater myself, and thanked me for coming "all that way just to see us!" before going on to other people's programs.)

I even heard that sometime during the run, he did a guest spot on a friend's radio show, and they placed a call to a woman who was about to go in for back surgery; David had had the same kind of surgery, and gave her some advice. And then that woman later on went to see the show, and mentioned to him "I was the woman from the radio who had the surgery," and he dropped the whole signing-programs thing for a moment to ask how she was doing and how her recovery was, and give her even more advice.

Everyone I've told my own little encounter story to always says one of two things -- first they tease me for being all flaily and fangirly, but then they say, "you know, it's really good to hear that someone famous is also a really, really nice guy." And he is.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:28 AM on October 31, 2011 [30 favorites]


I kind of love how all of the commenters on the first link are falling in love with Sue The Caterer Who Drums On A Pot And Doesn't Lipsync.
posted by EmpressCallipygos


I really liked that part too.

Also, perhaps the video wasn't synced properly when I watched it, but the absolute best lipsyncers were the two dead-pan drivers.
posted by jb at 6:45 AM on October 31, 2011


That said, and excepting the genuinely odd Clarke-and-Agyeman dyad unseeing,

One of the annoying developments in RTD's run was when Martha married Mickey offscreen. (And Martha had been engaged to somebody else too.) Like, oh, of course the only two major POC characters have to get together. WTF?
posted by kmz at 6:48 AM on October 31, 2011


I see now that I was mistaken in my count. You may continue on with your mirthful enjoyment of this merry video.
posted by humanfont at 6:54 AM on October 31, 2011


Nah, you do make a point, humanfont, but what running order said about the show being filmed primarily in Wales is indeed true and does affect things somewhat (the racial makeup of Wales is not as...diverse as it is here).
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:02 AM on October 31, 2011


There's the pale folk, and the really pale folk...
posted by Artw at 7:04 AM on October 31, 2011


One of the annoying developments in RTD's run was when Martha married Mickey offscreen.

I too found that vaguely annoying. I did like Mickey's offscreen evolution into kickass cyberman fighter though.
posted by Artw at 7:07 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


well, Mickey was dumped, and What personality Martha had was pretty much the same as Rose...

seriously - how many American tv shows would ever have an inter-racial couple like Mickey and Rose without even making a fuss about it? When I watch US media, I know that whenever there is a black man/woman, they will be ever so
careful to bring in a love interest of the same race. Even on Star Trek! (DS9).

There are fewer black people in the UK - they are 2% of the population, versus 13-14% of the population in the US. And yet already 2 of about 10-20 regular/recurring characters have been black.

You might ask: why not more South Asians in the cast and crew, given that they are about 4% of the population - 6% in England. Of course, the show is filmed in Wales with a presumably heavily Welsh crew - and less than 2% of the Welsh population is Asian. There have been no recurring South Asian characters (though at least two guest stars). There has been one East Asian (about 2% of the population) regular character on Torchwood.

But in terms of visibly breaking down racial barriers - new Who has already gone for the most controversial (inter-racial relationship) without even blinking.
posted by jb at 7:07 AM on October 31, 2011 [4 favorites]


That's sort of why it was annoying though.
posted by Artw at 7:09 AM on October 31, 2011


sorry for all the links to mobile, as opposed to regular Wikipedia. Perils of posting from tiny devices.
posted by jb at 7:09 AM on October 31, 2011


Even though they don't show up in the video, Donna's husband is also black, and Martha's immediate family is prominent in several episodes.

I don't remember where I saw it, but before the premiere of the 2nd series, I recall an essay from an American POV where they pointed out that it was interesting that there's never any mention of the fact that several main and peripheral characters are in mixed-race relationships. Apparently, in the UK, it would be weirder for two people to be together from different social strata (like Mickey and Martha, which is as annoying as others have said) than of different races.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:12 AM on October 31, 2011


OKAY, SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I BURST OUT CRYING WHEN I SAW TIMOTHY DALTON!
posted by elmer benson at 7:14 AM on October 31, 2011


OKAY, SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I BURST OUT CRYING WHEN I SAW TIMOTHY DALTON!

'cause he didn't know the words?
posted by Lucinda at 7:29 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


To be fair (or unfair), jb, there are people in Britain who complain about the "PC casting" of Doctor Who, along with people who complain about gay characters, gay couples or indeed gay married couples. Fortunately, they are largely ignored.

(Is Mickey and Martha annoying? I can't really recall how they behave as a couple, except at the end of the last Tennant Christmas special, but it strikes me that it's basically a workplace romance - they may have different backgrounds, but they are both currently monster-hunters, which is probably the sort of high-stress environment where unlikely couplings develop in among all the adrenaline and near-death experiences.)
posted by running order squabble fest at 7:50 AM on October 31, 2011


I really dug how you can tell Tennant was pulling the accent in his lipsyncing. "Thouesand!"
posted by lauranesson at 7:54 AM on October 31, 2011


Hang on:

well, Mickey was dumped...

I thought it was more like "Rose was trapped in an alternate dimension".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:07 AM on October 31, 2011


Apparently, in the UK, it would be weirder for two people to be together from different social strata (like Mickey and Martha, which is as annoying as others have said) than of different races.

This sort of conversation always puts me in mind of whatever American executive took a look at Steptoe and Son and said "but we don't have class here, let's make it about race!" when creating the US version.
posted by Artw at 8:33 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


1. LOVED the Patrick Troughton-glasses-and-wig-wearing dude towards the end. Didn't notice any other previous-Doctor refs, but that was worth the whole thing.

2. Forget about the RACISM IMPLICIT IN THE SYSTEM because hiring from a mostly-white demographic produced a mostly-white staff. Can we talk about something more important? Namely... accreditation. Or lack thereof. When this transmission reaches the outer arms of our galaxy, and the various species realize their short-but-vital appearances are not credited... Well, all I can say is: There's going to be hell to pay for our great^2990 grandchildren!
posted by IAmBroom at 9:06 AM on October 31, 2011


When this transmission reaches the outer arms of our galaxy, and the various species realize their short-but-vital appearances are not credited... Well, all I can say is: There's going to be hell to pay for our great^2990 grandchildren!

On the other hand, the descendants of Ood Sigma may be grateful he's not credited because "oh thank God everyone else doesn't know it's great-grandpa dancing like that, how embarrassing".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:31 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


"We must feed. We must feed. We must feed."

[Doctor and companion look terrified, edge away.]

"You. We must feed you."

[Doctor and companion look relieved, edge forward.]

"This."

[Ood starts pelvic thrusting. Doctor and companion run like Hell.]
posted by running order squabble fest at 9:39 AM on October 31, 2011 [4 favorites]


seriously - how many American tv shows would ever have an inter-racial couple like Mickey and Rose without even making a fuss about it?

If we're only counting main characters: Happy Endings, Nikita, Vampire Diaries, Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Grey's Anatomy. That's off the top of my head.
posted by kmz at 10:17 AM on October 31, 2011


YAY! Thanks for sharing this. It's so nice to see the joy everyone had with the show!

I must admit I made it about 10 seconds into the second video before cracking up. Will have to try to calm the giggles before trying again later.
posted by wiskunde at 10:33 AM on October 31, 2011


I remember the couple in Angel, but not in Buffy - vampire or werewolf and human don't count.
posted by jb at 10:47 AM on October 31, 2011


jb, that's monsterist.
posted by IAmBroom at 10:55 AM on October 31, 2011


I love this so much--clearly the whole endeavor was such an act of love for everyone involved.

And I don't mean the videos.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 10:56 AM on October 31, 2011


I wonder how many American tv shows would have a someone with Donna's (very awesome) body type without it being a punch line? Or River Song & The Doctor's relationship without lampshading the age difference? I love the shit out of the diversity of Doctor Who, especially because they manage not to be after-school special about it.


(Still squeeing over the video.)
posted by Space Kitty at 10:59 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


River Song & The Doctor's age difference is lampooned frequently. "Hello Benjamin." "Mrs. Robinson" etc. etc.

I've thought it pretty interesting, though, that since the beginning of Matt's run, the Doctor has been consistently flirty with just about every older woman he's run into. It's a nice change from what you usually see on tv.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 11:02 AM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


They do have fun with the age difference, but not in that godawful cougar/desperate stereotype that's pretty much the only way you see women older relationships handled on TV. Benjamin/Mrs. Robinson is cute, affectionate and funny. But I'm biased because I really enjoy their relationship. :)
posted by Space Kitty at 11:11 AM on October 31, 2011


Huh... I've never even thought about the age difference thing between River and the Doctor. If anything, isn't the Doctor like hundreds of years old, at least?

Of course if you really think about it, pretty much any vampire/human romance in a vampire show is creepy because the vamp is going to be at least a few decades (if not multiple centuries) older than the human.

I remember the couple in Angel, but not in Buffy - vampire or werewolf and human don't count.

Heh, I was thinking of Faith and Principal Wood. Though I guess you could argue about whether Faith is a main character or not at that point of the show.
posted by kmz at 11:15 AM on October 31, 2011


The thing with River and The Doctor's "age difference" may be a function of a) a change of actor playing The Doctor, and b) the fact that she was probably not intended to be come a recurring character. It's not an age difference between characters you're seeing, it's an age difference between actors, I think.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:25 AM on October 31, 2011


I love their relationship, too. But I think it's a bit naive to say that "Mrs. Robinson" doesn't play on predatory cougar tropes!

Honestly, I never though much about their age difference other than that River seemed more like an equal to the Doctor than many of his prior love interests--until I read some comments on io9 about how some fanboys find Alex Kingston "disgusting" and that her age difference with Matt Smith makes the romance "laughable." Which . . . er, is just weird.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 11:26 AM on October 31, 2011


Never read the comments!
posted by Artw at 11:34 AM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


IamBroom - everyone's a little bit racist... sometimes.
posted by jb at 11:42 AM on October 31, 2011


The Proclaimers song "I Wanna Be (500 miles)".

Lots of fun. For the record, though, it's "I'm Gonna Be."
posted by FelliniBlank at 12:04 PM on October 31, 2011 [1 favorite]


seriously - how many American tv shows would ever have an inter-racial couple like Mickey and Rose without even making a fuss about it?

If we're only counting main characters: Happy Endings, Nikita, Vampire Diaries, Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Grey's Anatomy. That's off the top of my head.


Actually, it's kind of funny that DS9 was mentioned as a show that shoehorns same-race couples together since that show specifically has a bunch of interracial couples and couplings usually without much of a hubub. Of course there are a lot of whitish looking alien races getting together, but there's also the O'briens and their daughter, and the Worf x Jadzia relationship (which the Klingon side makes a hubub about in one episode, but the humans don't seem to mind).
posted by Winnemac at 12:07 PM on October 31, 2011


Is whatever album that song is off of worth it?

Yes! If only to hear them pronounce the phrase "Tupelo, Mississippi."


And to say "Saskatchewan" without starting to stutter.
posted by Mike D at 12:29 PM on October 31, 2011 [4 favorites]


Also, the age difference between River and the Doctor is about 700 to 950 years - he's technically far too old for her. The last series made more of the difference between the person and the body they inhabit than any previous, I think.
posted by Grangousier at 12:33 PM on October 31, 2011


I can't believe how much time & thought I can dedicate to Doctor Who! Wait, yes I can...

I'm just not seeing the Mrs. Robinson jokes in this specific instance as 'predatory cougar tripe' (Best typo ever. Leaving it.) Granted I haven't seen the movie in years, or maybe that was meant to be a general rather than specific example. "Benjamin. Mrs. Robinson" is just flirting, and since they're both well aware that it's The Doctor that's hundreds of years older, it's a pretty cute in-joke.

To me, the important part is that River isn't treated as if her age/appearance/relationship prospects/sexuality are automatically ridiculous because - aaaah! Older woman!
posted by Space Kitty at 12:33 PM on October 31, 2011


They had me at the dancing Ood.

David Tennant, I miss you.
posted by olinerd at 12:35 PM on October 31, 2011


To be fair (or unfair), jb, there are people in Britain who complain about the "PC casting" of Doctor Who, along with people who complain about gay characters, gay couples or indeed gay married couples. Fortunately, they are largely ignored.

The PC people have a certain sense, in that what they observe is a real thing, but their interpretation is off.

My understanding is that part of the BBC's mission is to promote British national unity. You can see this in the way it allocates its resources recently where it has cut back on staff and productions in studios located in the major cities (Brum in particular recently took a hit) and increased production in Scotland and Wales.

I believe they do this in Dr. Who through characters as well, but sometimes rather ham-handedly, where minor characters show up, announce their identifying group for no apparent reason, and then go off to get killed or whatever. They're trying to promote tolerance among people who aren't part of that identity, and also show characters who are apparently content in society being British as well as Scottish/Welsh/gay/Muslim, etc. that people with those characteristics can relate to.

The most obvious example I can think of is the fat man-thin man duo in "A Good Man Goes to War". They show up briefly and basically say,

"Hello, we are new characters. We are gay and also married! Also, we are Marines! Besides that we are also devoutly Anglican! Isn't it amazing how stereotypically you wouldn't think that any of these characteristics fit together? Yet here in future Britain it's all ok and wonderful and we are very happy and plus we seem like nice guys don't you think? Now that I have blown your mind I am off to get decapitated in the next scene. BYE!"
posted by Winnemac at 12:36 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Well, the same episode has the Victorian housemaid/lizard ninja not-too-ambiguous duo, who are awesome despite being in it for roughly the same length of time.

Weirdly the complaint against the RTD era that sticks out most to me was that it was kind of anti-dad, with every on screen dad being crap or awful in some way, but with dads mostly just flat out absent.
posted by Artw at 12:43 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


the Victorian housemaid/lizard ninja not-too-ambiguous duo

Those two absolutely positively need to be the next Who spin-off. Forgot Torchwood for a while ... what this world needs is lesbian inter-species detectives in Victorian London.
posted by jbickers at 12:51 PM on October 31, 2011 [8 favorites]


There is now a petition designed to persuade Stephen Moffat to cast Sue from catering in an episode of the show.

This tickles me.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 1:02 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


So when did we all start calling lipsyncing lipdubbing?
posted by jpdoane at 1:05 PM on October 31, 2011


I'm just not seeing the Mrs. Robinson jokes in this specific instance as 'predatory cougar tripe' (Best typo ever. Leaving it.) Granted I haven't seen the movie in years, or maybe that was meant to be a general rather than specific example. "Benjamin. Mrs. Robinson" is just flirting, and since they're both well aware that it's The Doctor that's hundreds of years older, it's a pretty cute in-joke.

Erm, yeah. The graduate is basically older woman seduces college-aged man because her life is empty and then she tries to ruin his life when he tries to date her daughter. Classic cougar trope. The writers' use of that as a nickname is at least a nod to the age difference, even if it's a pretty tongue-in-cheek one. What I'm saying is, the age difference between the actors has been clearly acknowledged in-universe. It's not like it's completely without comment, the same way the racial aspects of the Rose/Mickey relationship were.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 1:13 PM on October 31, 2011


While not in what would be considered the main cast, there have been lots of black characters on Doctor Who, both heroes and villains and everything in between.

(Some of them even survive their episodes.)
posted by tzikeh at 1:18 PM on October 31, 2011


how many American tv shows would ever have an inter-racial couple like Mickey and Rose without even making a fuss about it?

Well, ER did cross the racial line by having a human in a relationship with a Time Lord.
posted by dhartung at 1:25 PM on October 31, 2011 [4 favorites]


No no, George Clooney is a Time Lord. The character he played on ER, Dr. Ross, was a human. People get this mixed up all the time.
posted by kmz at 1:29 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


He's my Doctor. All the friends I have who haven't seen a minute of the new series and keep whining about Tom Baker can shut it.
posted by kostia at 1:49 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Good point, PhoBWanKenobi - I could have worded that better. My point wasn't that the age difference wasn't acknowledged in-universe, it was that it didn't follow the typical "Ha-ha, she's not 22 anymore! Get it?!" derpery I've (sadly) come to expect on TV.
posted by Space Kitty at 2:00 PM on October 31, 2011


Really, just when I think I can't adore (ADORE!) Tennant more, that big goofy freaking grin on his face in this. Sweet jebus. I miss him SO much.

But my heart still belongs to Nine.
posted by librarianamy at 2:01 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


This was definitely bittersweet. I miss David Tennant so much!
posted by audacity at 2:08 PM on October 31, 2011


So when did we all start calling lipsyncing lipdubbing?

There is a distinction, albeit a nice one: lipsyncing is intended to give the actual impression that the lip-mover is singing what is actually a voice track, and involves moving your lips in time to a recorded music track playing intra-diegetically (i.e. you can hear it both at the time and in the recording of the event). Whereas with lip dubbing you have people actually singing along with the song, and then take the sound off the video and dub the original song over it.
posted by running order squabble fest at 2:25 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Is it just me, or does Freema have a very unique marching style?
posted by librarianamy at 5:37 PM on October 31, 2011 [2 favorites]


Those two absolutely positively need to be the next Who spin-off. Forgot Torchwood for a while ... what this world needs is lesbian inter-species detectives in Victorian London.
posted by jbickers at 3:51 PM on 10/31


That's what I thought the minute I saw that espisode. I would totally watch that show.

also, I liked the gay Anglican marines - they had a brilliant line (that I can't quote verbatim). I think they just wanted to set up a bit of sympathy so that it would be a real person who died in the next bit, rather than just a red shirt.
posted by jb at 8:06 PM on October 31, 2011


Tennant was asked to stay on by Moffat. Oh, how Doctor Who would have been different.
posted by ZeusHumms at 11:06 PM on October 31, 2011


Tennant was asked to stay on by Moffat.

*gasps*

....Oh, it was too early in the morning for me to read that news.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 3:57 AM on November 1, 2011


Nerdy creditfilter: the second of these two songs is a rewrite of Victoria Wood's delicious Ballad of Barry and Freda, which is just too funny to pass up.
posted by Elizabeth the Thirteenth at 7:08 AM on November 1, 2011 [1 favorite]


Tennant was asked to stay on by Moffat.

*gasps*

....Oh, it was too early in the morning for me to read that news.


"All right Pond, I've finished the calculations. There are between 2906 and 10989 parallel realities where this occurred; of those, there are 3 that we'll definitely have the energy to punch through and back again. Of those 3, 1 uses a video format that will be corrupted by any player available here, very nasty divergence in DRM management in that universe. With the other 2, you can take your pick: shot in full-spectrum color plus IR for the 62% of the population that can see further down the low-end, odd mutation, but you'd be surprised how--oh, the other one? Christmas special shot in low gravity. Low-grav? Thought you might like that. Predictable."
posted by kagredon at 10:23 AM on November 1, 2011


Speaking as someone who was never a big fan of Billie Piper, I thought she was adorable in this video.
posted by Phire at 11:48 AM on November 1, 2011


I've poked my nose in a couple places since hearing that Sue From Catering was getting popular. So far, I've heard she's now racked up:

1. Three tumblr feeds
2. A facebook page
3. A Youtube clip of the four seconds she appears in
4. Fan vids splicing her drumming in with the episode with The Master complaining about "the sound of drums"
5. A Youtube video that's a loop of the four seconds she appears in, running a full TEN MINUTES
6. Fan fiction
7. A petition appealing to Stephen Moffat to give her a guest spot in an episode of the show
8. A petition appealing to Stephen Moffat to make her the next companion
9. A petition appealing to Stephen Moffat to make her the next DOCTOR

I feel like someone should write this poor woman and brace her ("sorry, but the Internet seems to have exploded all over you, let me help you clean that up.")
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:21 PM on November 1, 2011 [3 favorites]


David Tennant will always be my doctor.
posted by ye#ara at 5:10 PM on November 1, 2011


David Tennant will always be my doctor.

That's what I thought about Jon Pertwee but then Tom Baker came along. I like most of them. I will say Tennant and Smith did/do remarkably well for a series written like an after grade school special on ABC but both, it seems, have become caricatures rather than characters, despite their efforts. But who can blame them? I mean even John Simms couldn't save the Master from RTD's shittastic writing and John Simms is usually remarkable so Tennant and Smith (who sadly has to act under Moffat's RTD like writing, which is frankly a huge surprise given his previous work) should be commended.

As for Sisko being married twice to women of the same race I say so what? I imagine that such things will happen in the future and the show is under no obligation to make a statement about interracial marriages even if people who were upset by Sisko with Jennifer and Cassidy completey ignored O'Brien and Keiko, Worf and Dax (and in STNG Troi), Odo and Kira, Quark and Sirella, Geordi and many failed attempts, etc.
posted by juiceCake at 6:51 PM on November 1, 2011


> David Tennant will always be my doctor.

That's what I thought about Jon Pertwee but then Tom Baker came along. I like most of them. I will say Tennant and Smith did/do remarkably well for a series written like an after grade school special on ABC but both, it seems, have become caricatures rather than characters, despite their efforts.


See, the thing is that Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker didn't look like this and didn't also wear massive geek creds on their sleeves.

Okay, yes I am being completely subjective here whatever stop laughing at me
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:46 AM on November 2, 2011 [1 favorite]


See, the thing is that Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker didn't look like this and didn't also wear massive geek creds on their sleeves.

You know, I thought the same thing about Tom Baker until I actually started watching some episodes. And in the first, Robot, there's this scene where he pushes up his sleeves around his rather well-muscled forearms to do Science! (TM) and he's all floppy and slouches around with his feet up on the dash of the Brigadier's car and oh my god so super hot.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 12:12 PM on November 2, 2011


Also hot: Paul McGann's voice, anywhere, anytime. I don't know how anyone could choose just one Doctor.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 12:13 PM on November 2, 2011


If I was a different type of guy the appearances of the Doctors might be a factor in favouriting but alas this is not a factor for me. I think they all did great job, even McKoy and Colin Baker, who had to deal with equally bad writing and/or a show in rapid decline at the time (trying to get Colin to be Tom Mark II is always a sign of desperation).

I don't even know what geek cred is really.
posted by juiceCake at 6:59 PM on November 2, 2011


I don't even know what geek cred is really.

Oh, all I mean by that is that he's just as wibbly and flaily about things like Star Wars and Firefly and Doctor Who as the rest of us are. In the episode when Tenth Doctor runs into Sarah Jane Smith again, there's a moment when she's introduced to him; Sarah Jane doesn't know it's him, but he knows it's her, and the look on his face is supposed to be delight at seeing a favorite companion again. But you can tell that it's not "The Doctor overjoyed to see Sarah Jane", it's actually "David Tennant getting his mind blown that he's meeting Lis Sladen FOR REAL OH MY GOD".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:07 PM on November 2, 2011 [2 favorites]


it's actually "David Tennant getting his mind blown that he's meeting Lis Sladen FOR REAL OH MY GOD".

IOW the same expression he has in the shot with the Proclaimers.
posted by dhartung at 2:45 PM on November 4, 2011


Oh! It's also the expression he has when he tells the Fifth Doctor, "You were my Doctor," which of course makes little sense in-Universe.
posted by dhartung at 2:46 PM on November 4, 2011


I managed to find the "oh my god i'm in a scene with lis sladen and she's actually calling ME the doctor holy shit" moment -- it's here.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:54 PM on November 4, 2011


Wait, I linked to the wrong part -- hell. Here's the "holy shit lis sladen" moment.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:58 PM on November 4, 2011


In the episode when Tenth Doctor runs into Sarah Jane Smith again, there's a moment when she's introduced to him; Sarah Jane doesn't know it's him, but he knows it's her, and the look on his face is supposed to be delight at seeing a favorite companion again. But you can tell that it's not "The Doctor overjoyed to see Sarah Jane", it's actually "David Tennant getting his mind blown that he's meeting Lis Sladen FOR REAL OH MY GOD".

What, they weren't introduced before the scene was shot?
posted by Sys Rq at 6:31 PM on November 4, 2011


Well, there is this alternative interpretation, which is that David Tennant is a pretty good actor.
posted by dhartung at 1:50 AM on November 5, 2011


Well, no, of course they were introduced. But he's said that a few times early on in filming, when they were working on the scenes and she was speaking to him, he flashed back to being eight years old and playing "Doctor Who" during recess and pretending that he and Sarah Jane were fighting off Daleks, and now here was the actual Lis Sladen looking at him and actually calling him "Doctor", and it did blow his mind a little.

I also didn't mean to imply he wasn't a good actor -- only that maybe that moment was probably a bit more "Method Acting" for him than usual. (smile)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:34 AM on November 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


I'm with EmpressCallipygos. My take is that he met Lis Sladen previously on set, but was introduced to Sarah Jane while the cameras were rolling.

I just love that scene.
posted by Space Kitty at 6:44 PM on November 5, 2011


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