Comments on: Angle poise

Angle poise

infini — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:17:05 -0800

The story of the modern desk lamp in four parts by hipstomp

Part 1: Its Invention was Based on British Car Suspensions Part 2: Piggybacking Across the North Sea with Sewing Machines Part 3: The Anglepoise Grows (Literally) Part 4: Pixar and Luxo Jr

By: The Bellman

The Bellman — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:35:05 -0800

The new one is much better.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:36:53 -0800

That is because you crazy.

By: dhartung

dhartung — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:13:23 -0800

A Giant Anglepoise, you say. *raises eyebrow* For £2280?!

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:45:24 -0800

Me and my Tizio feel that the desk lamp described in the article does not substantially meet the definition for "modern". Ubiquitous contemporary desk lamp? OK. I tried telling the Tizio that being around since '72 doesn't exactly make it modern either, but it wouldn't have it.

By: BrotherCaine

BrotherCaine — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:29:38 -0800

Counterweights do seem superior to springs over the long term.

By: tigrefacile

tigrefacile — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:48:48 -0800

"Modern" can refer, particularly in the spheres of art and design, to a period from 1890 to WW2. Your Tizio is possibly postmodern. The Bestlite was instrumental in defeating the Nazis and is gorgeous and gets my vote, accordingly.

By: jamjam

jamjam — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:30:36 -0800

And then I went back to working on the lamp, and wondered what the lamp would look like as a baby. I scaled different parts of it down: the springs are the same diameter, but they're much shorter. [from infini's fourth link] If I were a designer dealing with an established physical product which was losing market share, and which could be at all construed as looking like a human or an animal, such as a coke or beer bottle, that is what I would do, make it into a baby version of itself. Only I wouldn't do it by feel, except retrospectively, I'd use the mathematical algorithms which have been developed that can take the outline of a skull of any age and move it backward and forward along its development curves-- and there are apparently algorithms that can devolve it (and evolve it, presumably)-- though I haven't seen this done as much with body shape. The Tizio looks like a dangerous predatory insect to me, incidentally.

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:49:45 -0800

"Modern" can refer, particularly in the spheres of art and design, to a period from 1890 to WW2. Your Tizio is possibly postmodern. My comment was partially tongue-in-cheek, since the meaning of "modern" is fairly nebulous, enough so that calling something modern almost always requires additional qualifiers to actually understand the meaning. In fact, my architectural history classes treated the modern period as anything from about 1700 to present day. After WWII, modern loses its design meaning of "contemporary", and just becomes another extant style. However, I would argue that the Tizio, although designed in 1972, is part of the "modern" aesthetic rather than post-modern, and this is partially because as a technically related field, a lot of lighting design follows modernistic principles unless you're dealing with Philippe Starck or something. The Tizio is so clean that it makes the anglepoise look almost steampunk with all its springs and wires.

By: infini

infini — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:04:07 -0800

But I still don't like the look of the Tizio and those counterweights are always a pain to balance.

By: bleep

bleep — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:21:58 -0800

I just want to say that I used to fucking love reading hipstomp's livejournal until he stopped using livejournal and then I lost track of him. Also, this: "At that time, most traditional artists were afraid of the computer. They did not realize that the computer was merely a different tool in the artist's kit but instead perceived it as a type of automation that might endanger their jobs. Luckily, this attitude changed dramatically in the early '80s with the use of personal computers in the home" Uh, I'm pretty sure this attitude has never went away. Everyone is still terrified of computers. At least I've never met anyone who actually embraced computers and used them like proper tools instead of like some kind of frightening gollum-monster that must be appeased and/or exploited.

By: infini

infini — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:24:45 -0800

He's been writing at Core77 regularly since at least 2008 if I recollect correctly

By: bokane

bokane — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:15:43 -0800

Me too, bleep -- really glad to come across Rain's writing again. He's one talented cat.

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:04 -0800

But I still don't like the look of the Tizio and those counterweights are always a pain to balance. Yeah, mine's a little off, but I got it for free. Mine's so old though that I have to go to an auto supply store to get the halogen headlamp bulb that it requires.

By: jeudi

jeudi — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:46:02 -0800

I want to be an anglepoise lamp.

By: infini

infini — Fri, 23 Dec 2011 23:24:25 -0800

I have enjoyed this surreal little thread, its like a quiet conversation in a side table in the back of the bar during a loud and noisy party.