Religious ferver?

October 4, 2001 2:55 PM

Religious ferver? Or just fascism in new clothes. Why do we continue call these people religious fundamentalists? Osama is closer to Stalin.
posted by thekorruptor (17 comments total)

I thought the article was kind of interesting, but I don't get the Stalin connection....did Stalin get lap dances in Vegas or something?
posted by Kafkaesque at 3:10 PM on October 4, 2001

I believe that Bin Laden's attacks are more about Power than Religion, more about control of people than looking for some spiritual revolution.
posted by thekorruptor at 3:22 PM on October 4, 2001

Again...what does that have to do with the link you posted?
posted by Kafkaesque at 3:31 PM on October 4, 2001

The ferver's down, K; don't insist.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:35 PM on October 4, 2001

These terrorists couldn't have been muslim. For goodness sake, they drank and went to strip clubs! Next you'll tell me there are Catholics that have premarital sex, and Jews that drive cars on saturday. Nutty!
posted by Doug at 3:43 PM on October 4, 2001

I guess I don't like to see religious belief tied to fascists.

Hey don't blame me if no one can get into my head ;-)...
posted by thekorruptor at 3:57 PM on October 4, 2001

Aaaaaugh!

*Beats head against wall*

Aaaaaugh!
posted by Kafkaesque at 4:20 PM on October 4, 2001

Listen....carefully....

What does an article about alleged terrorists going to Vegas, gambling and getting lap dances have to do with them being fascists?
posted by Kafkaesque at 4:39 PM on October 4, 2001

Kafka, I think, although I could be wrong, and don't speak for thekorruptor, that the post is trying to show that these men weren't actually muslims, or at least not very good muslims, so their motivation had to come from something else. So, rather than being religious crazies, they are fascist crazies, bent on exerting their will on the world.
Something like that. It's a little unclear to me, too.
posted by Doug at 4:44 PM on October 4, 2001

I'm still trying to figure out what "ferver" is.
posted by barkingmoose at 4:46 PM on October 4, 2001

OK OK I know it's your first post, korruptor, but it doesn't make sense to post an article about one topic and discuss another topic.

Anyway, welcome. Just try to adhere vaguely to the guidelines.
posted by Kafkaesque at 4:49 PM on October 4, 2001

So, rather than being religious crazies, they are fascist crazies, bent on exerting their will on the world.

Weren't muslims? There is no test, if you call yourself one then you are one. Even if they regularly broke rules it only means they're human.

What I think this thread is about is ignoring fundamentalism so one can equate terrorism with extreme nationalism instead of religion. I don't think that works at all. I can't see why you can't have both religion and fascism at play with complex roots. Religion as they interpreted it was a justification at the very least and a motivator at the very most.
posted by skallas at 4:58 PM on October 4, 2001

I can't see why you can't have both religion and fascism at play

Illogic by any other name would smell as sour....
posted by rushmc at 5:13 PM on October 4, 2001

Doug - Exactly.
Kafka, sorry 'bout the aggrevation. But, the link was the point (no matter how vague it was). I think they are fascists by action (see Taliban). And the link shows that the they were certainly not religious.

Well, this rookie will everyone alone....

For now...
posted by thekorruptor at 9:18 PM on October 4, 2001

Ahem..."FERVOR." With an o. Thank you. That is all.
posted by jennyjenny at 7:25 AM on October 5, 2001

"But he wasn't just a bad tipper - - he killed people."


i think that quote says it all
posted by Qambient at 7:59 AM on October 5, 2001

Original post: 'just fascism in new clothes [...] Osama is closer to Stalin.'

Was Stalin so far left that he was actually a right wing fascist?
posted by wackybrit at 10:59 AM on October 5, 2001