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Post number 11121

thekorruptor — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:55:00 -0800

Religious ferver? Or just fascism in new clothes. Why do we continue call these people religious fundamentalists? Osama is closer to Stalin.

By: Kafkaesque

Kafkaesque — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:10:17 -0800

I thought the article was kind of interesting, but I don't get the Stalin connection....did Stalin get lap dances in Vegas or something?

By: thekorruptor

thekorruptor — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:22:43 -0800

I believe that Bin Laden's attacks are more about Power than Religion, more about control of people than looking for some spiritual revolution.

By: Kafkaesque

Kafkaesque — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:31:17 -0800

Again...what does that have to do with the link you posted?

By: MiguelCardoso

MiguelCardoso — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:35:03 -0800

The ferver's down, K; don't insist.

By: Doug

Doug — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:43:23 -0800

These terrorists couldn't have been muslim. For goodness sake, they drank and went to strip clubs! Next you'll tell me there are Catholics that have premarital sex, and Jews that drive cars on saturday. Nutty!

By: thekorruptor

thekorruptor — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:57:59 -0800

I guess I don't like to see religious belief tied to fascists. Hey don't blame me if no one can get into my head ;-)...

By: Kafkaesque

Kafkaesque — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:20:56 -0800

Aaaaaugh! *Beats head against wall* Aaaaaugh!

By: Kafkaesque

Kafkaesque — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:39:04 -0800

Listen....carefully.... What does an article about alleged terrorists going to Vegas, gambling and getting lap dances have to do with them being fascists?

By: Doug

Doug — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:44:54 -0800

Kafka, I think, although I could be wrong, and don't speak for thekorruptor, that the post is trying to show that these men weren't actually muslims, or at least not very good muslims, so their motivation had to come from something else. So, rather than being religious crazies, they are fascist crazies, bent on exerting their will on the world. Something like that. It's a little unclear to me, too.

By: barkingmoose

barkingmoose — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:46:58 -0800

I'm still trying to figure out what "ferver" is.

By: Kafkaesque

Kafkaesque — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:49:20 -0800

OK OK I know it's your first post, korruptor, but it doesn't make sense to post an article about one topic and discuss another topic. Anyway, welcome. Just try to adhere vaguely to the guidelines.

By: skallas

skallas — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 16:58:37 -0800

So, rather than being religious crazies, they are fascist crazies, bent on exerting their will on the world. Weren't muslims? There is no test, if you call yourself one then you are one. Even if they regularly broke rules it only means they're human. What I think this thread is about is ignoring fundamentalism so one can equate terrorism with extreme nationalism instead of religion. I don't think that works at all. I can't see why you can't have both religion and fascism at play with complex roots. Religion as they interpreted it was a justification at the very least and a motivator at the very most.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 17:13:19 -0800

I can't see why you can't have both religion and fascism at play Illogic by any other name would smell as sour....

By: thekorruptor

thekorruptor — Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:18:18 -0800

Doug - Exactly. Kafka, sorry 'bout the aggrevation. But, the link was the point (no matter how vague it was). I think they are fascists by action (see Taliban). And the link shows that the they were certainly not religious. Well, this rookie will everyone alone.... For now...

By: jennyjenny

jennyjenny — Fri, 05 Oct 2001 07:25:53 -0800

Ahem..."FERVOR." With an o. Thank you. That is all.

By: Qambient

Qambient — Fri, 05 Oct 2001 07:59:51 -0800

"But he wasn't just a bad tipper - - he killed people." i think that quote says it all

By: wackybrit

wackybrit — Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:59:31 -0800

Original post: 'just fascism in new clothes [...] Osama is closer to Stalin.' Was Stalin so far left that he was actually a right wing fascist?