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The media business model the Right chose to embrace was based on the shock-radio model. An inherent flaw with this type of model is that while it leads to quick ratings and advertising profits, it it can be difficult to sustain. If you spend one week calling the President a liar and an idiot, it’s not going to be long before calling him a lying idiot isn’t really all that shocking. You have to continually push just a little bit more as you go, or risk being relevant in the shock-media world. This started happening in the 00s, with the rise into the mainstream of people such an Ann Coulter and Mark Levine. At first you could tell that the rank and file of the right were aware that their envelope was being pushed, but their response was usually some form of the following: “Yeah, Coulter is a little nutty when she says that Democrats actually want the terrorists to kill US citizens, but it’s OK because when she says it it really bothers the liberals.” And so, as time went on and claims became more and more outrageous, the excuse that if things bothered liberals it was OK grew within both the media machine and its base.
Somewhere along the line, however, this model has to break down – partly because you eventually reach a ceiling where the base that believes the ever-increasingly shocking claims is small enough to make the party you’re backing politically irrelevant, and partly because to those that aren’t part of the machine or the base you begin to look increasingly out of touch. Birtherism is a fairly good example of this ceiling being reached, as are the Death Panels and Obama/Hitler youth programs. Unfortunately for the Right, however, once you tie yourself and your success so inexorably to the machine it becomes almost impossible to untangle yourself from it.
Do you really think they give two shits about him calling a woman a slut?
There is a reason Romney is too scared to condemn this.
The call came a day after conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh demanded that Fluke release tapes of her having sex in exchange for the contraception that she argued should be covered by employers. Fluke was set to go on MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Reports when the president rang her on her phone. She took the call while waiting in the green room.
Also, this might explain the government involvement in the issue that seems to have some people a bit confused. The government paying women so that they can have as much sex as they feel comfortable with? With my/our money? I am NOT comfortable with that if that's truly the case.
one day delmoi will learn to close his tags
Today is not that day
Was there literally no other way she could have obtained birth control pills for something so important?
Birth Control Pills at a Glance
Cost about $15–$50 each month
For sexually active women and men who use contraceptives, the personal cost of birth control ranges from $10 to $100 or more a month. That's not terribly high, but in tough economic times, when discretionary income shrinks, the impact of that price tag is magnified. A 2009 study by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists showed that one-third of women using birth control were more mindful of their contraception because of economic concerns. For women using hormonal methods, 13% reported being worried that they might not be able to pay for it.
But for many other women -- even those with insurance -- that annual cost is much higher. Using the NuvaRing or getting Depo-Provera shots can add up to from $480 to $900 each year, depending on insurance coverage. Equally steep is an IUD, at least up front. The cost of the device plus an office appointment for insertion runs in the range of $600 to $700 total. Brands like Mirena last up to five years, bringing that total cost down to just dollars a month over time. But that's a commitment not all women are ready to make.
Many women take hormone-based pills for other health issues, such as ovarian cysts and endometriosis. Amy Hawley, 33, who works as a university academic adviser in Miami, saw her pill bill skyrocket from $10 to $50 a month when she moved from New Jersey to Florida in 2010 for a new job.
Under her new regional insurance plan, she was shocked to see her bill increase by 400%. Even more surprising, she says, is that the generic version cost more than the name brand. After getting a new prescription, her cost dropped to $30. It still adds up to $360 a year -- almost a dollar a day.
In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy
The government isn't paying for this. It's setting the rules for what an insurance plan has to provide to people in Obamacare.
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.... What does it say about the radio superstar Rush Limbaugh if he goes before his tens of millions of listeners and manages to coalesce the anger of women across the country? It makes him a feminist, right? It makes him, to borrow his own term, a "FemiNazi".
What does it say about the political junkie Limbaugh that, in a few seconds, he raises the consciousness of women from coast to coast, including Republicans and independents, in a way that the political left has failed to do for at least three years, causing a political nightmare for the Republican party? It makes him a liberal, right? It makes him a Democrat.
What does it say about Tea Party visionary when he plies his trade on airwaves owned by the collective proletariat? It makes him a socialist, right? It makes him a "commie".
What does it say about a man who … who doesn't start buttoning his shirt till below his magnificent pectorals that he lives in Miami and earns $54m a year. It makes him a fully paid-up member of the eastern elite, doesn't it? It makes him a member of the entertainment industry elite.
What does it say about the hilarious quipster, who once told a black caller to "Take the bone out of your nose and call me back", that the fossil record takes the bloodlines of all mankind 3.2m years back to the Ethiopian bones of the Australopithecus afarensis hominid dubbed Lucy. It says he's part black, right? It says he, too, is African-American.
What does it say about a champion of free enterprise when his advertisers are forced to scatter like teenagers when the cops bust a beer party, costing the economy millions of dollars? It makes him an enemy of business, right? It makes him a jobs killer.
What does it say about the major entertainer who famously accused Parkinson's patient Michael J Fox of exaggerating his tremors as part of a Democratic strategy of exploiting cheap sympathy, now seeing his own career in jeopardy from a cruel and inexplicable affliction. That makes him a victim, right? ...
What we can say is this: The administration hasn’t proven that requiring insurance companies to provide free contraception on request will save them enough in medical costs to make the net costs zero or less. But by the same token, the president’s critics can’t prove that he’s wrong, either.
The condom campaign was not embraced by all. Following the launch of the new design, New York's top Roman Catholic leaders sharply criticized the Bloomberg administration, saying it was promoting promiscuity and degrading societal standards.
Cardinal Edward Egan, head of the Archdiocese of New York, and Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio, of Brooklyn, released a joint statement rebuking City Hall leaders and saying the program is "tragic and misguided."
The Roman Catholic Church bans artificial birth control, and preaches abstinence before marriage and fidelity among married couples as a way of combating the spread of diseases.
"Our political leaders fail to protect the moral tone of our community when they encourage inappropriate sexual activity by blanketing our neighborhoods with condoms," their statement said.
Lawful Therapeutic Means
15. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever.
You can choose gay Muslim terrorists from Mexico's side, or you can choose the side of those who oppose them.
[H]ere, again, is Rush Limbaugh, responding to criticism from Senator Maria Cantwell, who had been asked, in an interview, if Limbaugh should have questioned Fluke’s “virtue.” Limbaugh:
I’m not questioning her virtue. I know what her virtue is. She’s having so much sex that she’s going broke! There’s no question about her virtue.
I’m not questioning her virtue. I know what her virtue is. She’s having so much sex that she’s going broke! There’s no question about her virtue.
"What does it say about the college coed ... who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sexual relations?" Limbaugh said. "It makes her a promiscuous person, right? It makes her a lady of the evening. She wants to be paid to have sexual relations."
"If we are going to pay for your hormonal birth control, and thus pay for you to have sexual relations, we want something for it," he said. "We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."
I hope she sues. Even if you define her as a public figure, this seems like a pretty clear cut case of slander.
"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander.
There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, the person first must prove that the statement was false. Second, that person must prove that the statement caused harm. And, third, they must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. In the case of a celebrity or public official trying to prove libel, they must prove the first three steps, and must (in the United States) prove the statement was made with the intent to do harm, or with reckless disregard for the truth. Usually specifically referred to as "proving malice".
Also, Delmoi, publicly calling a woman's virtue into question is "defamation per se."
You're not saying that one needs to prove medical damages or lost wages, are you?
Also, Delmoi, publicly calling a woman's virtue into question is "defamation per se."
For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.
I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone's bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.
My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.
I have a hard time believing that a feminist law student would invoke that argument, though, because it hinges on the belief that a woman's worth is determined by her sexual "virtue." Nobody talks about a man's "virtue" in that way. Part of the problem with suing over being called a slut is that it kind of validates the idea that there's something wrong with being a sexually-active woman. It's like a straight person suing for defamation because someone says they're gay. It may be a lie, but calling it defamation validates homophobia.
Attacks on a person's professional character or standing;
Allegations that an unmarried person is unchaste;
Allegations that a person is infected with a sexually transmitted disease;
Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude"
I'm surprised at all the rage in this thread. From a liberal point of view, this is FUCKING FANTASTIC.
I mean FFS, Republicans are taking the wrong side of an issue that for most Americans was decided forty years ago. Rush is their mouthpiece who comes across as the medieval moron that he is. This is EXCITING.
When we were doing our survey, we found prices for Ortho Tricyclen Lo ranged from $92 to $110 without insurance.
Trinessa–not, strictly speaking, a generic of Ortho Tricyclen Lo because the formulation is different–seemed to be one of the most common prescriptions used. On our PriceofBC map, we collected prices ranging from $9 to $50.
Even $1000/year seems high to me
I mean, if you aren't on chemotherapy right now, you're basically just paying for other people's problems!
So every time you have sex you produce a baby?
Contraceptive use helps women avoid unintended pregnancy and improve birthspacing, which in turn have substantial positive consequences for infants, women, families and society.
[...] Several studies have examined the role that contraceptive use—particularly the use of oral contraceptives—has played in improvements in social and economic conditions for women. The advent of the pill allowed women greater freedom in career decisions, by allowing them to invest in higher education and a career with far less risk of an unplanned pregnancy. Several studies have found that legal access to the pill led to increased pill use, fewer first births to high school– and college-aged women, increased age at first marriage, increased participation by women in the workforce and more children born to mothers who were married, college-educated and had pursued a professional career.*
[...] Insurance coverage of contraceptive services and supplies—both public and private—actually saves money. Guttmacher Institute research finds that every public dollar invested in contraception saves $3.74 in short-term Medicaid expenditures for care related to births from unintended pregnancies. In total, services provided at publicly funded family planning centers saved $5.1 billion in 2008. (Significantly, these savings do not account for any of the broader health, social or economic benefits to women and families from contraceptive services and supplies and the ability to time, space and prepare for pregnancies.) A 2010 Brookings Institution analysis came to the same conclusion, and projected that expanding access to family planning services under Medicaid saves $4.26 for every $1 spent.
In terms of costs and savings for the private sector, multiple studies over the past two decades have compared the cost-effectiveness of the various methods of contraception, finding that all of them are cost-effective when taking into account the costs of unintended pregnancies averted. The federal government, the nation’s largest employer, reported that it experienced no increase in costs at all after Congress mandated coverage of contraceptives for federal employees.
Moreover, a 2000 study by the National Business Group on Health, a membership group for large employers to address their health policy concerns, estimated that it costs employers 15–17% more to not provide contraceptive coverage in their health plans than to provide such coverage, after accounting for both the direct medical costs of pregnancy and indirect costs such as employee absence and reduced productivity. Mercer, the employee benefits consulting firm, reached a similar conclusion. And a more recent National Business Group on Health report, drawing on actuarial estimates by PricewaterhouseCoopers, concluded that even if contraception were exempted from cost-sharing, the savings from its coverage would exceed the costs.
Does this make it clear how, even if you choose to never have sex and have no regard whatsoever for the well-being of others, this benefits you personally?
Yeah, I guess I was trying to figure out if planet's first comment - "I don't get any benefit from contraceptives, so I don't want to pay for it." - was for real (i.e. he actually doesn't want to have his insurance plan cover birth control), or a joke.
It lays bare the reasons behind their agenda of no coverage for birth control.
Conservative bishops and Congressmen are fighting a rear-guard action against one of the most revolutionary changes in human history.
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Women are put on birth control for all kinds of reasons.
Minorities accounted for 48 percent of all births in the nation in the 12 months that ended in July 2008.
“It looks like ‘majority’ births would drop below 50 percent around 2012,” said Carl Haub, senior demographer for the Population Reference Bureau.
I'm totally with you craichead, but, and I could be wrong, but comparing viagra to birth control isn't the same.
"Republicans are making a big mistake with this contraception talk, and I'm pretty sure that they are giving (the election) to Obama," says Patricia Speyerer, 87, of McComb, Miss., a GOP-leaning independent. "It's a stupid thing."
Can we just figure out a way for people to get insurance without going through employers AND without going thru government? Maybe folks forming independent interest groups or something?
Then the Catholic Church would be happy, I would be happy, the Republicans and Democrats would be happy, and Rush would have to find another topic to put his foot in his mouth about.
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I'm surprised more people aren't latching on to the second part of his rant -- about the video -- which is where I think the mysogyny really gets exposed.
On Wednesday, Limbaugh cast the affair as a tempest in a teapot. "Everything is fine on the business side," he said. "Everything is cool."
Limbaugh claimed that two sponsors who had left were going to return to the program, and that the other sponsors were not yanking their commercials from the radio stations on which they aired; rather, he said, they were asking that their spots be moved from his show.
"That is not revenue to us," he said. "They are not our sponsors. They are not even canceling our station ... nobody is losing money here, including us."
Limbaugh cast the publicity around the advertisers as part of an effort by "the left" to drive him from the radio. "They thought I'd be off the air by now," he said. "They can't understand why I still am."
He estimated that he has about 18,000 sponsors across his affiliate network. Losing the ones he has, he said, was "like losing a couple of french fries in the container when it's delivered to you at the drive-thru. You don't even notice it."
He concluded by saying, once again, that everything was going well, and that losing advertisers was an everyday, uninteresting part of doing business.
"After over a week of pundits piling on Bill Maher for his remarks about conservative women in an attempt to equivocate him with Rush Limbaugh and suggest a media double standard on such controversies, Maher finally responded on his show [last night]. Maher first slammed liberals for piling on him when he was defending Limbaugh from public pressure, before ripping into conservatives for pushing a 'false equivalency' between him and the radio host."
Premiere Networks, which distributes Limbaugh as well as a host of other right-wing talkers, sent an email out to its affiliates early Friday listing 98 large corporations that have requested their ads appear only on “programs free of content that you know are deemed to be offensive or controversial (for example, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Leykis, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity).”
This is big. According to the radio-industry website Radio-Info.com, which first posted excerpts of the Premiere memo, among the 98 companies that have decided to no longer sponsor these programs are “carmakers (Ford, GM, Toyota), insurance companies (Allstate, Geico, Prudential, State Farm), and restaurants (McDonald’s, Subway).” Together, these talk-radio advertising staples represent millions of dollars in revenue.
Valerie Geller, an industry insider and author of Beyond Powerful Radio, confirmed the trend. “I have talked with several reps who report that they're having conversations with their clients, who are asking not to be associated with specifically polarizing controversial hosts, particularly if those hosts are ‘mean-spirited.’ While most products and services offered on these shows have strong competitors, and enjoy purchasing the exposure that many of these shows and hosts can offer, they do not wish to be ‘tarred’ with the brush of anger, or endure customer anger, or, worse, product boycotts.”
"Pollster Celinda Lake responded on Friday to the rumblings of conservative commentators who claim the Obama administration planted Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke to distract from Republican opposition to its birth control rule."
In Iowa, one of the crucial battlegrounds in the coming presidential election, and in other states, dozens of interviews in recent weeks have found that moderate Republican and independent women — one of the most important electoral swing groups — are disenchanted by the Republican focus on social issues like contraception and abortion in an election that, until recently, had been mostly dominated by the economy.
And in what appears to be an abrupt shift, some Republican-leaning women like Ms. Russell said they might switch sides and vote for Mr. Obama — if they turn out to vote at all.
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