Guitarist Wes Borland Leaves Limp Bizkit
October 12, 2001 9:47 PM Subscribe
Guitarist Wes Borland Leaves Limp Bizkit Two chord guitarists, your gig awaits. You can contact Fred at the Playboy Mansion.
Who's the most talented member of Limp Bizkit? It's not Fred Durst...
Actually, I'm thrilled to hear this. Durst is a huge pain and was hogging nearly ALL the glory of Limp Bizkit. I wouldn't be surprised if the band breaks up soon.
posted by Down10 at 10:11 PM on October 12, 2001
Actually, I'm thrilled to hear this. Durst is a huge pain and was hogging nearly ALL the glory of Limp Bizkit. I wouldn't be surprised if the band breaks up soon.
posted by Down10 at 10:11 PM on October 12, 2001
Seriously, as much as I hated Limp, I always kinda liked Wes. I'm glad he did this. I hope Fred cried.
posted by dopamine at 10:14 PM on October 12, 2001
posted by dopamine at 10:14 PM on October 12, 2001
glory isn't something to be associated with a band called "limp bizkit". Nothing now, or at anytime, relating to limp bizkit has ever been worthy of respect or praise of any kind
posted by rabbit at 10:16 PM on October 12, 2001
posted by rabbit at 10:16 PM on October 12, 2001
The facepaint and funny eyeballs were kind of cool.
posted by dong_resin at 10:22 PM on October 12, 2001
posted by dong_resin at 10:22 PM on October 12, 2001
Similar post about Collective Soul resulted in comments about how such topics are meant for fan sites not Mefi.
posted by riffola at 10:27 PM on October 12, 2001
posted by riffola at 10:27 PM on October 12, 2001
Shitty pop culture is the pee in the pool we all swim in, Riff. It bears discussion.
Along with the boys from Korn, Wes is one of the main reasons I can more easily find replacement parts for my beloved `91 Ibanez 7-String, something that was a bit hard to do nine years ago. Wes is a gooder.
posted by dong_resin at 10:33 PM on October 12, 2001
Along with the boys from Korn, Wes is one of the main reasons I can more easily find replacement parts for my beloved `91 Ibanez 7-String, something that was a bit hard to do nine years ago. Wes is a gooder.
posted by dong_resin at 10:33 PM on October 12, 2001
Oh no! Who will rock the suburbs now? (last two paragraphs)
posted by NortonDC at 11:32 PM on October 12, 2001
posted by NortonDC at 11:32 PM on October 12, 2001
Dong:
What is the seventh string usually tuned to? I've never played a seven string before and probably couldn't on account of short fingers, but it's interesting nonetheless. Does a seven play the same as a six?
posted by Electric Jesus at 11:33 PM on October 12, 2001
What is the seventh string usually tuned to? I've never played a seven string before and probably couldn't on account of short fingers, but it's interesting nonetheless. Does a seven play the same as a six?
posted by Electric Jesus at 11:33 PM on October 12, 2001
I literally could not care less about this. It's weird getting older, you hear these names, fred durst, britney spears, these people are not celebraties to me.
posted by chrismc at 11:37 PM on October 12, 2001
posted by chrismc at 11:37 PM on October 12, 2001
i hope limp bizkit does break up. i used to really like them before the first family values tour came around and "faith" came out and fred turned into mtv's dumbass posterchild. now everything they put out is just utter crap
posted by mabelcolby at 12:00 AM on October 13, 2001
posted by mabelcolby at 12:00 AM on October 13, 2001
I don't have the magazine handy to check the date, but it was a Spin magazine from several years back, in the summer [Probably 2000] - when asked "Where do you see yourself in 10 years?", Wes replied "Not in this band." :-)
posted by AdamJ at 12:08 AM on October 13, 2001
posted by AdamJ at 12:08 AM on October 13, 2001
Jesus, in standard tuning, the 7th string is normally tuned to a low `B'.
It plays very much the same as a six string guitar, the low B played as you would the higher one, (the 2and string.)
Those damn kids today with their hair `n their music generally tune down a step, so theirs go to a low `D', a note so Spinal Tap in nature that bowels tend to loosen. This is why they favor the baggy pants.
posted by dong_resin at 12:45 AM on October 13, 2001
It plays very much the same as a six string guitar, the low B played as you would the higher one, (the 2and string.)
Those damn kids today with their hair `n their music generally tune down a step, so theirs go to a low `D', a note so Spinal Tap in nature that bowels tend to loosen. This is why they favor the baggy pants.
posted by dong_resin at 12:45 AM on October 13, 2001
haha. fred durst is a tool.
1989 Demo Tape - 2 White (fred durst is a vanilla ice wannabe)
wes borland is lame.
dude, they need to make peace with their fathers for not playing baseball with them and their mothers for not buying them lucky charms and stop polluting the sound spectrum.
posted by Satapher at 12:49 AM on October 13, 2001
1989 Demo Tape - 2 White (fred durst is a vanilla ice wannabe)
wes borland is lame.
dude, they need to make peace with their fathers for not playing baseball with them and their mothers for not buying them lucky charms and stop polluting the sound spectrum.
posted by Satapher at 12:49 AM on October 13, 2001
Electric Jesus:
Although your question wasn't asked of me, I hope you don't mind a response.
The 7th string is usually a B. Most 7-strings are pretty easy to play. The action tends to be very smooth because the factories will do anything to negate the extra string tension. All that I have played (mostly Schecters) tend to have better action and a more dependable truss rod.
My advice: Wait for a refurb to show up at a local Mars or at Musician's Friend. Although it may not turn out to be a mainstay in your guitar rotation, it is worth it for the usage in open tunings.
I currently own a seven that I keep in open tuning especially for playing slide. The 7th string (either tuned to the chord or as a double-bass feel) adds tremedous depth.
posted by ttrendel at 12:55 AM on October 13, 2001
Although your question wasn't asked of me, I hope you don't mind a response.
The 7th string is usually a B. Most 7-strings are pretty easy to play. The action tends to be very smooth because the factories will do anything to negate the extra string tension. All that I have played (mostly Schecters) tend to have better action and a more dependable truss rod.
My advice: Wait for a refurb to show up at a local Mars or at Musician's Friend. Although it may not turn out to be a mainstay in your guitar rotation, it is worth it for the usage in open tunings.
I currently own a seven that I keep in open tuning especially for playing slide. The 7th string (either tuned to the chord or as a double-bass feel) adds tremedous depth.
posted by ttrendel at 12:55 AM on October 13, 2001
Electric Jesus:
Also of note, though this is painfully obvious, is when the 7th is tuned to D, it plays exactly as chording based from the 6th string would, which makes playing it a no-brainer.
I just spent about 3 hours writing on my 7-string, and I find my creativity goes up ten-fold as opposed to writing on my 6-string. It's a much more versatile instrument. If you have the means of picking one up, I highly recommend it. I bought a Jay Turser, a poor-man's 7-string (24 frets!), but after adjusting the action a bit, it fits in rather nicely with my Ibanez S series. I have no complaints about the guitar.
posted by lizardboy at 1:10 AM on October 13, 2001
Also of note, though this is painfully obvious, is when the 7th is tuned to D, it plays exactly as chording based from the 6th string would, which makes playing it a no-brainer.
I just spent about 3 hours writing on my 7-string, and I find my creativity goes up ten-fold as opposed to writing on my 6-string. It's a much more versatile instrument. If you have the means of picking one up, I highly recommend it. I bought a Jay Turser, a poor-man's 7-string (24 frets!), but after adjusting the action a bit, it fits in rather nicely with my Ibanez S series. I have no complaints about the guitar.
posted by lizardboy at 1:10 AM on October 13, 2001
Er, I meant the kids today tune down to a low `A'.
It's the low A that makes ya poo involuntarily.
Sorry for any inconvience this may have caused.
posted by dong_resin at 1:10 AM on October 13, 2001
It's the low A that makes ya poo involuntarily.
Sorry for any inconvience this may have caused.
posted by dong_resin at 1:10 AM on October 13, 2001
I'm a moron. If you tune it to B it plays the same as...
posted by lizardboy at 1:23 AM on October 13, 2001
posted by lizardboy at 1:23 AM on October 13, 2001
After being somewhat bored with the guitar for a few years, I decided to try slide. I love it.
Get a 7-string, some jazz-guage strings, a bottleneck slide, and a pissant Danelecto amp (the nifty fifty is great for this).
If it doesn't rekindle a passion for playing, I don't know what will. That double-bass feel makes delta MI slide seem more legitimate in your hands.
It makes you respect those who constantly switch between open tunings and standard (All Hail Keef!!!).
I love playing slide for 2 reasons:
1: You can make some really, really interesting sounds.
2: It's a lost art.
posted by ttrendel at 3:32 AM on October 13, 2001
Get a 7-string, some jazz-guage strings, a bottleneck slide, and a pissant Danelecto amp (the nifty fifty is great for this).
If it doesn't rekindle a passion for playing, I don't know what will. That double-bass feel makes delta MI slide seem more legitimate in your hands.
It makes you respect those who constantly switch between open tunings and standard (All Hail Keef!!!).
I love playing slide for 2 reasons:
1: You can make some really, really interesting sounds.
2: It's a lost art.
posted by ttrendel at 3:32 AM on October 13, 2001
I remember reading an article a while back (I don't remember where exactly, sorry) in which, when asked where he thinks he'll be in five or so years, Wes Borland stated not in Limp Bizkit.
posted by DyRE at 4:20 AM on October 13, 2001
posted by DyRE at 4:20 AM on October 13, 2001
interview with wes borland about his band (big dumb face :) and how music should be free.
excerpt:
Jere: Was the song "Duke Lion" inspired at all by "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"? I noticed some similarities between it and the "Camelot" song.
Wes Borland: Yeah. It’s kind of a cross between that and the theme from "Bonanza."
posted by kliuless at 6:24 AM on October 13, 2001
excerpt:
Jere: Was the song "Duke Lion" inspired at all by "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"? I noticed some similarities between it and the "Camelot" song.
Wes Borland: Yeah. It’s kind of a cross between that and the theme from "Bonanza."
posted by kliuless at 6:24 AM on October 13, 2001
Can all the members of Limp Bizkit leave the band? Please?
posted by raintea at 9:32 AM on October 13, 2001
posted by raintea at 9:32 AM on October 13, 2001
Slide guitar is a lost art? Hardly...
For some absolutely amazing slide work, check out Kelly Joe Phelps 'Shine Eyed Mister Zen', on Rykodisk.
Real audio link: 'River Rat Jimmy', off Shine Eyed Mister Zen.
posted by skwm at 9:37 AM on October 13, 2001
For some absolutely amazing slide work, check out Kelly Joe Phelps 'Shine Eyed Mister Zen', on Rykodisk.
Real audio link: 'River Rat Jimmy', off Shine Eyed Mister Zen.
posted by skwm at 9:37 AM on October 13, 2001
Dong, you owe me for one pair of tighty-whiteys.
posted by Kafkaesque at 10:22 AM on October 13, 2001
posted by Kafkaesque at 10:22 AM on October 13, 2001
The whole lot of these 'feckin angst-addled bands need to step-'tha'hell back and realize how retarded they come accross. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park...everytime I here them while perusing the dial, instead of turning them off, I insert my own lyrics such as "Oh, I'm so sad that no one understands my saddness. The world is so mean. I think I'm 'gonna explode with all of this anger I have. Fuck fuck fuck". I scream stuff like this (timed and in key with the music of course), it warms my cockles.
Seriously though, in 10 years all of this dribble will be looked upon and laughed at. At least Wes has an instrument that he uses somewhat proficiently. I would be embarrased to be Fred Durst, the sidekick shrub from Linkin Park, or some stupid DJ tossed in to add street 'cred. These idiots provide NOTHING in terms of creativity. Boys, you should be ashamed of yourselves...
posted by sharksandwich at 11:26 AM on October 13, 2001
Seriously though, in 10 years all of this dribble will be looked upon and laughed at. At least Wes has an instrument that he uses somewhat proficiently. I would be embarrased to be Fred Durst, the sidekick shrub from Linkin Park, or some stupid DJ tossed in to add street 'cred. These idiots provide NOTHING in terms of creativity. Boys, you should be ashamed of yourselves...
posted by sharksandwich at 11:26 AM on October 13, 2001
ttrendel; so you'd recommend schecter 7-strings? I've been kind of tempted for a while. Does anybody know a good used guitar stor ein the bay area?
posted by signal at 11:44 AM on October 13, 2001
posted by signal at 11:44 AM on October 13, 2001
Monkey boy was the only redeeming factor in Limp Bizkit. I remember reading interviews with him asking what his favorite tracks from the albums were and he would always say that he didn't like any of them. This was a very prescient decision, L.B. was so last week.
posted by catatonic at 12:17 PM on October 13, 2001
posted by catatonic at 12:17 PM on October 13, 2001
With aplogies to moz:
"Oh, I'm so sad that no one understands my saddness."
I'm pretty sure that was a Smiths song, wasn't it?
posted by Kafkaesque at 12:33 PM on October 13, 2001
"Oh, I'm so sad that no one understands my saddness."
I'm pretty sure that was a Smiths song, wasn't it?
posted by Kafkaesque at 12:33 PM on October 13, 2001
shark - if only it were so ... when punk came along, they said that disco would be a joke in the future. Someone should tell the people who sell all of those awful collections on late night tv. or better yet, the people who buy them.
Like it or not (and I #$%@! hate it), Durst et al have secured their place in our cultural legacy. But then again, Sha-Na-Na probably has a place in a footnote somewhere, so I wouldn't be too concerned ...
posted by hipstertrash at 1:19 PM on October 13, 2001
Like it or not (and I #$%@! hate it), Durst et al have secured their place in our cultural legacy. But then again, Sha-Na-Na probably has a place in a footnote somewhere, so I wouldn't be too concerned ...
posted by hipstertrash at 1:19 PM on October 13, 2001
I'm pretty sure that was a Smiths song, wasn't it?
I'm pretty sure that was every Smiths song.
posted by jpoulos at 2:01 PM on October 13, 2001
I'm pretty sure that was every Smiths song.
posted by jpoulos at 2:01 PM on October 13, 2001
quoting hipstertrash Like it or not (and I #$%@! hate it), Durst et al have secured their place in our cultural legacy. But then again, Sha-Na-Na probably has a place in a footnote somewhere, so I wouldn't be too concerned ...
Sha-Na Na had a mention in "the sea comes in at midnight", but more seriously, i often wonder what bands will be remembered and which will end up on the cultural graveyard. Nu-Metal has increased my appreciation of grunge also rans like everclear and bush, while there are plenty of great bands that get reduced to cut out bin status.
Someone wrote an article in Time about how all the underground music from 15+ years ago is proof that the Indie kids were listening to the quality shit back then, but will we remember Elliot smith, Spoon, sleater-kinney, The international noise conspiracy or sunny day real estate (all musicians who i consider incredible)?
The nu Metal/sugar pop phase is cresting, make way for the "next" Nirvana, or next big thing.
posted by drezdn at 2:19 PM on October 13, 2001
Sha-Na Na had a mention in "the sea comes in at midnight", but more seriously, i often wonder what bands will be remembered and which will end up on the cultural graveyard. Nu-Metal has increased my appreciation of grunge also rans like everclear and bush, while there are plenty of great bands that get reduced to cut out bin status.
Someone wrote an article in Time about how all the underground music from 15+ years ago is proof that the Indie kids were listening to the quality shit back then, but will we remember Elliot smith, Spoon, sleater-kinney, The international noise conspiracy or sunny day real estate (all musicians who i consider incredible)?
The nu Metal/sugar pop phase is cresting, make way for the "next" Nirvana, or next big thing.
posted by drezdn at 2:19 PM on October 13, 2001
make way for the "next" Nirvana, or next big thing.
drezdn - its already here, i think.
its the BRMC, The Strokes, The White Stripes ...
its too soon to tell, but we can hope
posted by hipstertrash at 2:29 PM on October 13, 2001
drezdn - its already here, i think.
its the BRMC, The Strokes, The White Stripes ...
its too soon to tell, but we can hope
posted by hipstertrash at 2:29 PM on October 13, 2001
Sha-Na-Na probably has a place in a footnote somewhere,
Favorite Sha-Na-Na footnote: They played at Woodstock
posted by boaz at 2:30 PM on October 13, 2001
Favorite Sha-Na-Na footnote: They played at Woodstock
posted by boaz at 2:30 PM on October 13, 2001
My uncle knew one of the sha-na-na guys. (Johnny, I think. Was there a Johnny?) When I was 9, that was the coolest thing.
Why couldn't it have been a Ramone?
posted by jpoulos at 3:46 PM on October 13, 2001
Why couldn't it have been a Ramone?
posted by jpoulos at 3:46 PM on October 13, 2001
boaz - I believe, though I can't be sure, that they were also once on a bill with The MC5. I'll have to skim my copy of Psychotic Reactions and Carburetor Dung, I think I saw it in there somewhere ...
posted by hipstertrash at 5:28 PM on October 13, 2001
posted by hipstertrash at 5:28 PM on October 13, 2001
its the BRMC, The Strokes, The White Stripes ...
its too soon to tell, but we can hope
I haven't heard BRMC (Thats something like B"something" Rebel Motorcycle club right?) but I've heard The new Strokes album, and have all the White Stripes albums, and while I think both bands are incredible, I just don't see either as being truly break through enough... The Strokes are spreading pretty quickly (I've had at least 5 people tell me how great they were in the last week)...
I guess I'm just expecting the next whatever to come completely out of left field.
There's a couple of reason to expect a dramatic shift in mainstream music 1) the gen y kids are hitting college 2) the economy has went south 3) The war situation...
posted by drezdn at 12:07 AM on October 14, 2001
its too soon to tell, but we can hope
I haven't heard BRMC (Thats something like B"something" Rebel Motorcycle club right?) but I've heard The new Strokes album, and have all the White Stripes albums, and while I think both bands are incredible, I just don't see either as being truly break through enough... The Strokes are spreading pretty quickly (I've had at least 5 people tell me how great they were in the last week)...
I guess I'm just expecting the next whatever to come completely out of left field.
There's a couple of reason to expect a dramatic shift in mainstream music 1) the gen y kids are hitting college 2) the economy has went south 3) The war situation...
posted by drezdn at 12:07 AM on October 14, 2001
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