Rabbi's Little Helper
April 6, 2012 6:50 AM Subscribe
This post was deleted for the following reason: This comes under the heading of "If you are going to make a post about something terrible happening a) to children b) in Israel it needs to be more than a single link saying WTF" Put another way if it's an interesting thing worth looking at beyond outrage at hardcore religious conservative behavior, maybe frame it that way and repost? -- jessamyn
You know, because being human is not part of God's plan -
so we need to chemically alter you, make you less like yourself -
and then God will love you more.
posted by Flood at 6:54 AM on April 6, 2012
so we need to chemically alter you, make you less like yourself -
and then God will love you more.
posted by Flood at 6:54 AM on April 6, 2012
That's pretty messed up. But they're prescribing them, not forcibly administering them, so I'm inclined to feel that the ultimate responsibility lies with the patient (or in the case of the children) the patient's parents.
posted by Optamystic at 6:56 AM on April 6, 2012
posted by Optamystic at 6:56 AM on April 6, 2012
I need to read more carefully. I thought that said "psychedelic drugs", and for a full ten minutes was emailing people about the article, telling them how cool it must be to be an ultra-Orthodox seminary student. Now I'm emailing the same people telling them to ignore my previous email...
posted by scunning at 7:01 AM on April 6, 2012 [2 favorites]
posted by scunning at 7:01 AM on April 6, 2012 [2 favorites]
Boy, God sure didn't know what he was doing when he made genitals.
posted by Legomancer at 7:03 AM on April 6, 2012
posted by Legomancer at 7:03 AM on April 6, 2012
Holy shit. This lends remarkable credence to Forum 2000's interpretation of that Yeshiva school logo as "No Thinking/No Fucking".
But they're prescribing them, not forcibly administering them, so I'm inclined to feel that the ultimate responsibility lies with the patient
I'd like to take issue with this. Yes, patients are ultimately responsible for their own care, but doctors are professionals and it's easy to take their advice instead of following your own judgement. In theory, you go to them because they know what they're doing and they know more than you. If you go to a doctor with a problem and refuse to follow his or her advice, you have only yourself to blame if you don't feel better so I think that blaming patients for following what they believed to be legitimate and appropriate medical advice is really missing the point.
I think also that this is especially awful because these are people in a position of SUCH trust; you have to take most things doctors say on faith because, in theory, they know and you don't. I can only imagine how much harder it would be to face this if they were religious and cultural as well as medical authorities.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 7:03 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
But they're prescribing them, not forcibly administering them, so I'm inclined to feel that the ultimate responsibility lies with the patient
I'd like to take issue with this. Yes, patients are ultimately responsible for their own care, but doctors are professionals and it's easy to take their advice instead of following your own judgement. In theory, you go to them because they know what they're doing and they know more than you. If you go to a doctor with a problem and refuse to follow his or her advice, you have only yourself to blame if you don't feel better so I think that blaming patients for following what they believed to be legitimate and appropriate medical advice is really missing the point.
I think also that this is especially awful because these are people in a position of SUCH trust; you have to take most things doctors say on faith because, in theory, they know and you don't. I can only imagine how much harder it would be to face this if they were religious and cultural as well as medical authorities.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 7:03 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
But they're prescribing them, not forcibly administering them, so I'm inclined to feel that the ultimate responsibility lies with the patient
And all this time I thought it was the responsibility of doctors to prescribe the right medicine.
posted by swift at 7:03 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
And all this time I thought it was the responsibility of doctors to prescribe the right medicine.
posted by swift at 7:03 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
"That's pretty messed up. But they're prescribing them, not forcibly administering them, so I'm inclined to feel that the ultimate responsibility lies with the patient (or in the case of the children) the patient's parents."
If these kids are like just about all kids with super religious parents, the difference between a religious leader prescribing something and forcing something might be awful subtle.
posted by Blasdelb at 7:04 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
If these kids are like just about all kids with super religious parents, the difference between a religious leader prescribing something and forcing something might be awful subtle.
posted by Blasdelb at 7:04 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
He who is without sin;
They can get stoned first.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:04 AM on April 6, 2012
They can get stoned first.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:04 AM on April 6, 2012
But they're prescribing them, not forcibly administering them
A suggestion by a community leader to take medication in order to more easily satisfy some goal of orthodox belief implies a certain degree of coercion different from the same community leader suggesting that maybe a claritin would help your allergies.
posted by logicpunk at 7:07 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
A suggestion by a community leader to take medication in order to more easily satisfy some goal of orthodox belief implies a certain degree of coercion different from the same community leader suggesting that maybe a claritin would help your allergies.
posted by logicpunk at 7:07 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
He who is without sin;
They can get stoned first.
Wrong book.
posted by cjorgensen at 7:08 AM on April 6, 2012
They can get stoned first.
Wrong book.
posted by cjorgensen at 7:08 AM on April 6, 2012
you have to take most things doctors say on faith because, in theory, they know and you don't.
and take what they say with a grain of salt, Peter.
posted by hal9k at 7:09 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
and take what they say with a grain of salt, Peter.
posted by hal9k at 7:09 AM on April 6, 2012 [1 favorite]
A suggestion by a community leader and no murmur of protest from a supposedly responsible doctor? Yeah, I definitely lay a LOT of blame on them.
posted by DU at 7:10 AM on April 6, 2012
posted by DU at 7:10 AM on April 6, 2012
"Currently, their society has no good solution for this," he says, referring to homosexual urges. His remarks suggest that prescription drugs are often the only way out."
Simpsons did it:
Waylon Smithers: [with a very attractive woman] Sir, you knew I was on a date.
Bart: Mr. Smithers? But I thought you were... you know...
Waylon Smithers: Oh no, I'm straight. As long as I keep taking these shots!
[injects shot into arm]
Waylon Smithers: I love boobies!
posted by 445supermag at 7:11 AM on April 6, 2012
Simpsons did it:
Waylon Smithers: [with a very attractive woman] Sir, you knew I was on a date.
Bart: Mr. Smithers? But I thought you were... you know...
Waylon Smithers: Oh no, I'm straight. As long as I keep taking these shots!
[injects shot into arm]
Waylon Smithers: I love boobies!
posted by 445supermag at 7:11 AM on April 6, 2012
Wrong book.
You know who else was a young rabbi? At any rate, I'm an atheist, and the different sects of the Sons of Abraham to me are about as different as the Chicago Cubs versus the White Sox. They all play the same game, just wearing different hats.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:11 AM on April 6, 2012
You know who else was a young rabbi? At any rate, I'm an atheist, and the different sects of the Sons of Abraham to me are about as different as the Chicago Cubs versus the White Sox. They all play the same game, just wearing different hats.
posted by Threeway Handshake at 7:11 AM on April 6, 2012
From personal experience: this will completely screw up those kids, for a long time.
posted by curious nu at 7:13 AM on April 6, 2012
posted by curious nu at 7:13 AM on April 6, 2012
Better hats, though. Or at least funnier, which amounts to the same thing.
posted by adamdschneider at 7:13 AM on April 6, 2012
posted by adamdschneider at 7:13 AM on April 6, 2012
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