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	<title>Comments on: Comments on 11513</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:08:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 11513</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/"&gt;The Wayback Machine.&lt;/a&gt; Explore &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19991013054241/http://metafilter.com/&quot;&gt;Metafilter&lt;/A&gt; and &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19991012022531/http://blogger.com/&quot;&gt;Blogger&lt;/A&gt; from October 1999.  Search &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19981202230410/http://www.google.com/&quot;&gt;Google&lt;/A&gt; in 1998 or read &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19970414013301/http://www.salonmagazine.com/&quot;&gt;Salon&lt;/A&gt; in 1997. Visit &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961219123357/http://word.com/&quot;&gt;Word&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961017235908/http://www2.yahoo.com/&quot;&gt;Yahoo&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961022174919/http://www.cnet.com/&quot;&gt;c|net&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961104141638/http://www.feedmag.com/&quot;&gt;Feed&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961101113346/http://www.crashsite.com/&quot;&gt;Crashsite&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961226191433/http://cool.infi.net/&quot;&gt;Cool Site of the Day&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961124110606/http://www.villagevoice.com/&quot;&gt;Village Voice&lt;/A&gt;, and &lt;A
HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961112181513/http://www.nytimes.com/&quot;&gt;NYTimes&lt;/A&gt; from 1996.  Congratulate &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19971221222915/http://haughey.com/&quot;&gt;Mathowie&lt;/A&gt; on his new job in 1997, see &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19991012050139/http://kottke.org&quot;&gt;Kottke&apos;s redesign&lt;/A&gt; from October 1999, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961221111300/http://glassdog.com/&quot;&gt;Glassdog&apos;s&lt;/A&gt; 3-D logos from 1997, and &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961219051816/www.zeldman.com/toc.html&quot;&gt;Zeldman&apos;s pages&lt;/A&gt; optimized for Netscape 3.0.  (Unsurprisingly, &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961227172043/http://www.useit.com&quot;&gt;Jakob&apos;s site&lt;/A&gt; hasn&apos;t changed much since 1996.)  Surf the past and share your greatest &lt;A HREF=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961231075958/http://www.thespot.com/&quot;&gt;nostalgic finds&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:03:32 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>waxpancake</dc:creator>		<category>wayback</category>		<category>internetarchive</category>		<category>nostalgia</category>		<category>kottke</category>		<category>zeldman</category>		<category>dotcom</category>		<category>history</category>		<category>archive</category>
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		<title>By: joemaller</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156253</link>	
		<description>Cool! &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19991012154642/joemaller.com/&quot;&gt;My snowman&lt;/a&gt; is still there! 

I miss my snowman.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:08:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lheiskell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156256</link>	
		<description>sniff...I miss Word.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:18:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: palegirl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156265</link>	
		<description>oh my god, you can&apos;t put anything behind you, can you?!  wow.  that&apos;s great.  i&apos;m so embarassed!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:43:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ktheory</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156269</link>	
		<description>This is a really fascinating link. 

With the web medium, the content tends to be permanent. The web&apos;s a great medium for archiving information. But the design is transient. Major sites have facelifts every couple of months, and we&apos;re quick to forget what the site was like without the fresh new look and usability enhancements.  The Wayback machine archives the design of the web as well as the content.  Fascinating.

(humble reminder: self-linking is still not appropriate)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:58:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ktheory</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: SisterHavana</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156270</link>	
		<description>Oh my God. My loving tribute to my car is still floating around out there. : )</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:58:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SisterHavana</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Succa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156279</link>	
		<description>Sweet!  This is amazing!

Thank you, Mister or Missus Wax Pan Cake.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:16:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Succa</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: gluechunk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156282</link>	
		<description>ktheory, self-linking within a thread is sometimes appropriate.  per &lt;a href=http://www.metafilter.com/guidelines.mefi&gt;the guidelines&lt;/a&gt;:  &quot;(note: it&apos;s ok to link to your own things as comments in threads, if it adds to the discussion...&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:20:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: riffola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156284</link>	
		<description>Wonder how big their database must be.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:25:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Down10</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156285</link>	
		<description>For a REAL timewarp, look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.bilkent.edu.tr/History/yahoo/&quot; title=&quot;Yahoo! circa 1994&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;original Yahoo! pages from 1994&lt;/a&gt;, back when it was hosted on the Standford Web servers. Formated for your Mosaic browser!

How innocent it all seemed...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:28:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mathowie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156291</link>	
		<description>Oh my god, they have &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19970713192954/http://haughey.simplenet.com/&quot;&gt;my cute &apos;n fuzzy bunny design&lt;/a&gt; from mid-1997. This is the coolest thing ever.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:35:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sylloge</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156293</link>	
		<description>&gt; &lt;i&gt;ktheory, self-linking within a thread is sometimes appropriate.&lt;/i&gt;

And in this case, self-linking is absolutely encouraged, I&apos;d say.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:39:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sylloge</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mathowie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156298</link>	
		<description>Ev&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19981202032238/http://www.evhead.com/&quot;&gt;first evhead&lt;/a&gt; (1998) has the tagline &quot;web profitizing&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:45:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: owillis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156302</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s not archived, but in &apos;97 &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.tripod.com/~owillis/&quot;&gt;it seems I had an interest&lt;/a&gt; in the Oprah Winfrey show and attractive women on MSNBC. Some things never change.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:56:38 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>owillis</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: MiguelCardoso</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156318</link>	
		<description>What can you say?!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:31:48 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MiguelCardoso</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dong_resin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156323</link>	
		<description>One thing is for certain, that&apos;s just a hell of a nice snowman.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:47:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: youhas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156331</link>	
		<description>Sweet Jebus, my college website is hidden away in there in all its orange-and-periwinkle-on-black splendor.  Mercifully, the epilepsy-inducing animated GIFs are nowhere to be seen....</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:56:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: klint</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156340</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfmoma.org/espace/rsub/project/disinfo/index.htm&quot;&gt;Disinfo&lt;/a&gt; from around 1999</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 01:08:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nothing</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156369</link>	
		<description>What a trip. There&apos;s the first draft of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19970213031811/www.orionhill.com/tomspge.html&quot;&gt;first personal page&lt;/a&gt; in there, but not the final working version. *laugh* Also, the first page I ever contracted to design, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961221174837/http://flywright.com/&quot;&gt;Seattle helicopter company&lt;/a&gt; that I believe no longer exists. (the domain&apos;s not resolving anymore anyway) The animated helicopter at the top was CUTTING EDGE! *laugh*</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 02:32:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nothing</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lizardboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156377</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19970110161635/www.links.net/&quot;&gt;Justin Hall&apos;s site from December, 1996&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
It&apos;s not the changes in design that are all that notable,  but rather,  what he was talking about. If he only knew what a commercialized piece of bile the web would become...&lt;br&gt;
Not that I&apos;m bitter, of course.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:21:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aki</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156380</link>	
		<description>Is it just my bad luck or how come URL&apos;s with tilda&apos;s in them (ie: mostly user pages like www.whatever.com/~whoever) return results stored in the database, but can not be retrieved?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:43:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aki</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lucien</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156388</link>	
		<description>Three gold stars for your homework this week, waxpancake.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 04:57:45 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lucien</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: eoz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156406</link>	
		<description>What was Zeldman &lt;i&gt;thinking&lt;/i&gt; when he used that pink?!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 05:40:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eoz</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: tpoh.org</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156429</link>	
		<description>Damn, I was hoping they&apos;d have an archive of my first web page to get publicized in book form - actually, it might be there, someone else was having problems pulling up a tilde&apos;d page as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 06:27:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CarlMalamud</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156480</link>	
		<description>&gt; Wonder how big their database must be.
&gt; posted by riffola at 11:25 PM PST on October 15 

I think they&apos;re up to the 100 terabyte range.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:41:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>CarlMalamud</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: moss</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156526</link>	
		<description>Bother! I can&apos;t seem to connect. And I&apos;d been hoping for ages that they&apos;d make the archive available over the web.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:01:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>moss</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ethmar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156559</link>	
		<description>I can&apos;t connect either, but then again I&apos;m searching for tripe and piffle (my stuff).

My stuff, as you may be aware, is not &quot;A-List&quot; material.

A-List! A-List! Roswell! Roswell!

:-P</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:42:55 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ethmar</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ethmar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156584</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;My stuff, as you may be aware, is not &quot;A-List&quot; material.&lt;/i&gt;

So much in fact, that I got the following response:

&lt;b&gt;Sorry, no matches.&lt;/b&gt;

Roswell! Roswell!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:17:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ethmar</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kokogiak</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156613</link>	
		<description>Hilarious. I love this. Here&apos;s my original ticket into the professional web world in 1997, an (ugly) compilation of &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19970731042559/http://www.wolfenet.com/~yoame/media.html&quot;&gt;Pacific Northwest Media websites&lt;/a&gt; that I&apos;d been building for a couple years. I used it to convince my employer that A) I knew what I was doing and B) to let me take over their website (it worked). I get a kick out of my bizarre attempt at an obfuscated counter (upper left corner), and my &apos;best viewed in&apos; tag for IE 3.

Also fun - what &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19970521131111/http://www.msnbc.com/news/default.asp&quot;&gt;MSNBC.com&lt;/a&gt; looked like when I joined in early 1997 (remember the long ladder of alternating stories?).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:17:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kokogiak</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ethmar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156620</link>	
		<description>Good grief! I got one hit for one of my sites, and I&apos;ve been waiting for a half hour for the page to load! How is everyone cruising through this database when I&apos;m on a T1 for cry-yi? Baaandwidth....baaaandwidth for the poor...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:25:48 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ethmar</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kokogiak</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156623</link>	
		<description>Ethmar, if you&apos;re on a long wait, try stopping/reloading your page again - seemed to work for me.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:28:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kokogiak</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sylloge</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156815</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t think bandwidth the problem. I&apos;d imagine that most of the archived material is compressed somehow and it probably takes a while to address and decompress the HTML, images, etc. There is a lot of CPU intensive stuff for their server to do -- sometimes it is unusably slow, but it seems to pick up now and again. Stopping and reloading worked for me too, but only sometimes. Lots of waiting.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:49:16 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sylloge</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156828</link>	
		<description>Whew!

A friend had some legal action a while back which involved the removal of personally harassing content from a website. (I can&apos;t get any more specific.) I checked, it looks like they didn&apos;t get it.

I&apos;m sure they&apos;d remove it under the circumstances, but it&apos;s good my friend won&apos;t have to go through any of that again ....</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:18:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dhartung</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lotsofno</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11513/#156892</link>	
		<description>doh.. they didn&apos;t archive my bright green page (my first one) from my members.aol.com days.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:04:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lotsofno</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: moss</title>
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		<description>I finally managed to connect to it. It didn&apos;t have an archive of PBOT. That was the only thing I wanted.

*cries*</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:37:26 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>moss</dc:creator>
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