Mortality statistic by country for rifle, shotgun, and larger firearm discharges:
694 United States
The theater can't make it so that the door doesn't open, nor is it necessarily a good idea to make all the alarms go off every time you open the door.
Not gonna happen. That issue is so baked into American culture that it's never going to change.Well there is also that issue of the 2nd Amendment.
Not gonna happen. That issue is so baked into American culture that it's never going to change.
tzikeh:"Or are we simply proceeding from the assumption that anyone who would shoot into a crowded movie theater has a mental illness? Because I'm not certain that that's true."
Eyewitnesses say bullets from the shooting in theatre nine passed through the theatre walls into adjacent screens, injuring people there also. Injured people are being treated in six hospitals around Denver.
"I am not an important man... I possess only my personal sense of dignity. My life has been reduced to nothing by an intolerable insult. Therefore, I have nothing to lose except my life, which is nothing, so I trade my life for yours, as your life is favoured. The exchange is in my favour, so I shall not only kill you, but I shall kill many of you, and at the same time rehabilitate myself in the eyes of the group of which I am a member, even though I might be killed in the process."
"I saw the Dark Knight Rises two hours ago. During the previews before the movie there was a trailer for a movie called Gangster Squad. In it, a group of supposed gangsters begins firing through a movie screen and then continues through it, presumably massacring everyone in the theater.
I don't know if trailers are standardized across movie theaters. But just thinking that there's a possibility that those people saw that trailer before it all happened gives me chills."
But Mr. Bloomberg said he could not support Mr. Romney because he disagreed with him on so many social issues, these two people said. The mayor mentioned two such issues: abortion rights and gun control.
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
He also participated in a multiple-year personality study conducted by Dr. Henry Murray, an expert on stress interviews. Students in Murray's study were told they would be debating personal philosophy with a fellow student. Instead they were subjected to a "purposely brutalizing psychological experiment" stress test, which was an extremely stressful, personal, and prolonged psychological attack.
The man suspected of carrying out the Colorado movie theater shooting, 24-year-old James Holmes from San Diego, was a graduate student in the neuroscience program at the University of Colorado Medical School, a university spokesman told NBC News.
One law enforcement official told ABC News that the suspect told authorities that "he was the joker," referring to a villian from the Batman series. New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the suspect had dyed his hair red to match the character's.
Authorities report that 12 people were killed and nearly 50 were injured. Holmes was arrested in the parking lot of the movie theater, looking like "a villain in a movie," a Congressional official briefed on the situation told ABC News. His apartment is filled with explosives and being searched by Hazmat teams.
Kaitlyn Fonzi, who lives directly below Holmes's Aurora apartment, said that around midnight, she heard very loud music coming from the apartment above her.
The "same techno song that sounded like it included gunshots was playing in a loop for a long time," she said.
Fonzi said the music abruptly stopped at about 1 a.m.
01:03:59 316 i need a rescue in here hot, see we got a guy shot. Inside of theater 9? Just outside of theater 9. 01:04:08
01:04:25 team 6 we got another person outside shot in the leg, a female, i got people running outside the theater that are shot in room 9. 01:04:33
01:04:39 318 i got another victim on the north side of this theater the parking lot. 01:04:43
Maintenance worker Jose Torres, 45, said he remembered Holmes as a quiet person who kept mostly to himself.
"Gun control" is an oxymoron - guns are so simple to produce and free trade is so difficult to monitor that it will forever be categorically impossible for the U.S. to ever be able to keep guns out of the hands of a mentally ill person who really wants them.
Absolutely it is. Thinking that gun control will keep guns out of the hands of criminals is very similar to thinking that drug control means they'll never be able to get high.
We're already at war with ourselves about drugs, which is a VERY great deal of why America is such a dangerous place. Do you really want to increase the tension, instead of decreasing it? People having guns is not a problem. It's only using them that's a problem.
No doubt, but in the US, there are also more white men than POC men.
With regard to the shooting itself: it does not shock me. Back in 2007 one of the Freakonomics authors asked "If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?" It was linked on MeFi as well. I emailed the author with my suggestion, which was an opening night coordinated attack on movie theaters using readily-available semi-automatic weapons. I speculated that the likely response would be mandated airport-style security at theaters and a tremendous amount of economic damage to the movie industry. Since this was only a single attack and may not have been politically motivated (we'll see), I don't know what the fallout will be like.
....Why WOULD they? What in your background is making you think you would be prevented from owning a gun after you undergo a background check?
I like what happened on Something Awful. They made argument about gun control in that thread a bannable offense.
"Speaking on behalf of the cast and crew of 'The Dark Knight Rises', I would like to express our profound sorrow at the senseless tragedy that has befallen the entire Aurora community. I would not presume to know anything about the victims of the shooting but that they were there last night to watch a movie. I believe movies are one of the great American art forms and the shared experience of watching a story unfold on screen is an important and joyful pastime. The movie theatre is my home, and the idea that someone would violate that innocent and hopeful place in such an unbearably savage way is devastating to me. Nothing any of us can say could ever adequately express our feelings for the innocent victims of this appalling crime, but our thoughts are with them and their families."
I'm going to irresponsibly speculate that his actions are the result of methamphetamine psychosis resulting from abusing Adderal or ther popular "study drugs."
People would want an illegal gun for many of the same reasons they want legal ones: to protect themselves and their families.
I do have my doubts that some random dude might have been able to stand up, aim, and take a shot, hitting the gunman in the gas mask and ending the tragedy, many folks who get the concealed carry permits are highly trained and exceptional shooters. Many are ex-military. If there were police in the theater at the time were was carrying, it's not unreasonable to think a highly trained officer couldn't have pulled this off.
Seriously, a lot of CCWs take that right as a very serious responsibility... As in, several times a week, they practice El Presidente with a "Mozambique Tap".
I think these types of arguments just increase the divide. I look at them and am shocked and horrified by so many people who want to take away people's rights to carry.
Here is a record of mass shootings in the United States since 2005. It is 62 pages long. It was compiled by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
As the man was firing shots, another citizen armed with a gun came around the corner and ordered the gunman to put his weapon down. The gunman dropped his weapon and ran into his father's apartment and barricaded himself inside.
Latasha Harlins (July 14, 1975 – March 16, 1991) was a 15-year-old African-American girl who was unlawfully shot and killed by Soon Ja Du, a 51-year-old Korean store owner.
....Police say that Du erroneously concluded Harlins was attempting to steal, evidently not seeing the money Harlins was holding....On November 15, 1991, the jury...found Du guilty of voluntary manslaughter, an offense that carries a maximum prison sentence of 16-years in prison. However, trial judge, Joyce Karlin, sentenced Du five years of probation, four hundred hours of community service, and a $500 fine.
In addition to the immediate trigger of the Rodney King verdicts, a range of other factors were cited as reasons for the unrest. Anger over Korean American shop-owner Soon Ja Du's weak sentence...was pointed to as a potential reason for the riots, particularly for aggression toward Korean Americans.
IN this case it would have also been pretty unbalanced and unlikely to succeed.
On a fail-to-stop, next shot goes to the head
Believe it or not, some of us decide where to spend our adult lives based on that fact, among others.
Would I carry in a state that bans it? No! I wouldn't risk my right to carry in such a stupid manner. Would I live in a state that bans it? Again - An unequivocal no
300,000,000 people in the US.
Three hundred million people.
"One in a million" means 300 times a day.
Statistics. Most people really, really suck at it.
This incident should not surprise us. Over the past half century, we have emptied out the state psychiatric hospitals but then failed to provide treatment for half of those discharged. They have ended up, in increasing numbers, homeless on the streets, in jails and prisons, in emergency rooms, and committing violent acts, including homicides. Three studies suggest that individuals with untreated severe mental illnesses are responsible for approximately 10 percent of all homicides, and another study suggests they are responsible for more than 10 percent of rampage murders. We are now seeing about two such mass killings associated with mental illness each year.
Why don’t we provide proper treatment? The main reason is that state governors and legislatures think they are saving money. They are not, of course, since these untreated people end up costing us money in jails and prisons or by causing tragedies such as the one we are witnessing. Ultimately we need to hold governors and state legislatures responsible for such tragedies. And, sadly, it seems to take tragedies like this to even get their attention.
someone in a fully-armed theater would have lucked out.
Statistically, most people will get mugged, at the point of a gun or really nasty looking knife, twice in their lives.
I've been wondering for hours if James Holmes isn't one of Mefi's own.
Except that as stated above, people will be mugged for just those things. In the last year, I've witnessed three mugging incidents. Over smartphones and wallets and stuff that yes, is just what every middle class person might own, but there are also an awful lot of people that are not middle class.
I would rather kill a guy than give him my wallet in response to his threat of violence. Yes. Absolutely, 100 percent.
Tasers are not legal to carry for private use, even if I had considered it.
There are significantly more steps and levels of difficulty to making a bomb out of household chemicals than there are to grabbing a gun and shooting things. This is why there is a lot more gun violence than bomb violence in the world. I am not making this up.
As for a cite, Will the FBI itself suffice?
Forktine: And looking again at that chart of gun violence, many of the places with horrifyingly high rates of gun deaths -- many times that of the US -- have long had incredibly strict gun policies and low legal gun ownership rates. Just having strict rules won't automatically get you good results.
So the first "developed nation" is Northern Ireland, then the US.