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	<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:14:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 11835</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.iran-daneshjoo.org/demo/"&gt;The Iranian Secular Opposition Movement.&lt;/a&gt; I came upon this via another &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1614000/1614696.stm&quot;&gt;item&lt;/a&gt; I found on Plastic.com. (Where, BTW, one of the more cogent comments in the related thread was by one MayorBob) So, I&apos;m wondering where does this lead to? The first line of that wretched 60s hit  &lt;i&gt;Eve Of Destruction&lt;/i&gt; does come to mind... Has anyone else heard anything about this?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:12:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>y2karl</dc:creator>		<category>Iran</category>		<category>Secular</category>		<category>Opposition</category>		<category>MOvement</category>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
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		<description>If this is a double post, I apologize. I never get an answer from Search here, no matter what time of day...</description>
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		<title>By: Zurishaddai</title>
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		<description>NYT article on Iranian opposition satellite TV, run by the expat community in L.A.:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://archives.nytimes.com/2001/10/25/international/middleeast/25IRAN.html&quot;&gt;Opposition TV Stations Stir Up Unrest in Fundamentalist Iran&lt;/a&gt;
They&apos;ve been ratcheting things up a notch lately.  (I&apos;m sure you&apos;ve seen the reports of nominally soccer-centered rioting.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:12:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
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		<description>This is minor-league unrest compared with the 1979 revolution, mind you. The end result will probably be a retrenchment by the mullah-run government, with heated diatribes from the parliament, constitutionally a near nullity. Some newspapers closed, some student organizers arrested, the usual thing.

The irony here is that Iran is one of the better-functioning democracies in the Arab world (as distinguished from the Islamic world). This may also lead to further policing on the part of societies like Egypt, which has chosen a different, secular path of nationalism, tolerates much more free speech and socioeconomic activity, but brooks no political dissent. They&apos;re going to think &lt;i&gt;this is what comes of too much freedom&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:47:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: raysmj</title>
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		<description>dhartung: You mean, compared to the Arab world. Iran is a non-Arab nation.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:57:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11835/#163162</link>	
		<description>but people could die, better they keep the yoke of their repressors.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:51:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tamim</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/11835/#163297</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.netiran.com/&quot;&gt;Iran&lt;/a&gt; is a &apos;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iranmania.com/elections/&quot;&gt;democracy&lt;/a&gt;&apos; of sorts. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/europe/iran/&quot;&gt;They&lt;/a&gt; routinely hold &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/in_depth/middle_east/2000/iran_elections/iran_election_news/newsid_627000/627344.stm&quot;&gt;elections&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/europe/2001/iranelex/&quot;&gt;powers change hands&lt;/a&gt; without much tension. Between &lt;a href=&quot;http://persia.org/khatami/votes.html&quot;&gt;1979-97&lt;/a&gt; they have had seven presidential, five congressional and two Assembly of Experts elections.


In other news, as long as we are talking &lt;a href=&quot;http://newmedia.cgu.edu/seminars/kassam/haskard/INDEX.HTM&quot;&gt;Iran&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/11/98/crossing_continents/newsid_284000/284262.stm&quot;&gt;sports&lt;/a&gt; and democracy, while Iranian soccer hooligans are hogging the headlines, BBC reported last night on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_432516.html&quot;&gt;Third&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internationalgames.net/muslwomgam.htm&quot;&gt;Islamic&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irna.com/en/sport/011021204610.esp.shtml&quot;&gt;Women&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://metimes.com/issue51/cultent/games.htm&quot;&gt;Games&lt;/a&gt; being held in Tehran &lt;a href=&quot;http://icscotland.icnetwork.co.uk/news/world/today/page.cfm?objectid=11385902&amp;method=full&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://icscotland.icnetwork.co.uk/news/world/today/page.cfm?objectid=11385722&amp;method=full&quot;&gt;week&lt;/a&gt;. Besides &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irna.com/en/sport/011021131137.esp.shtml&quot;&gt;219&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salamiran.org/Women/Olympic/index.html&quot;&gt;Iranians&lt;/a&gt;, Muslim women from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irna.com/en/sport/011024165129.esp.shtml&quot;&gt;34 countries&lt;/a&gt;, including hijab-clad women from Afghanistan and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/paper/index.php?article=381&quot;&gt;U&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irna.com/en/sport/011023114937.esp.shtml&quot;&gt;K&lt;/a&gt;., are taking part in this year&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0496/9604070.htm&quot;&gt;games&lt;/a&gt;. Previous games were held in 1993 &lt;a href=&quot;http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/despatches/newsid_39000/39185.stm&quot;&gt;and&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/s/w_asia/newsid_39000/39267.stm&quot;&gt;in&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/s/w_asia/newsid_41000/41174.stm&quot;&gt;1997&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:08:44 -0800</pubDate>
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