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August 14, 2012 9:57 AM   Subscribe

Drugs have changed a lot in the past ten years. You have, mainly, these two men to blame/thank for most of the fervor. Laws are flexing accordingly. [Shulgin previously: 1,2]
posted by fieldcannotbeblank (20 comments total) 23 users marked this as a favorite

 
There's nothing like an improvised flute circle to let you know that yes, indeed, the drugs have kicked in.

Post would have done better to focus on the new documentary, Dirty Pictures, (the "men" link).

Is this the full movie?
posted by mrgrimm at 10:05 AM on August 14, 2012 [4 favorites]


Oh wait a minute. Documentary came out last year ... anyway, I'll watch it (on Youtube). :D
posted by mrgrimm at 10:07 AM on August 14, 2012


What does the flute circle have to do with anything?
The link you showed with flexing laws has nothing to do with the structures outlined in PIKHAL or TIKHAL.
Pihal and Tikhal were in the first shulgin post.
posted by lalochezia at 10:20 AM on August 14, 2012


There's nothing like an improvised flute circle to let you know that yes, indeed, the drugs have kicked in.

I find this sentence.....disturbing.
posted by eriko at 10:21 AM on August 14, 2012 [1 favorite]


There's nothing like an improvised flute circle to let you know that yes, indeed, the drugs have kicked in.

There's nothing like an improvised flute circle that nobody else can see to let you know that yes, indeed, the drugs have kicked in.
posted by jaduncan at 10:26 AM on August 14, 2012 [4 favorites]


Ask your doctor if improvised flute circles are right for you.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:27 AM on August 14, 2012 [20 favorites]


My roommate in college had Pikhal and Tikhal. Fascinating books, and what a huge amount of dedication needed for the research.
posted by dunkadunc at 10:28 AM on August 14, 2012


Thank you for bringing 'Dirty Pictures' to my attention. I've just watched the first 20 minutes at mrgrimm's link and can't wait for the opportunity to finish it.

It was more than ten years ago you started hearing about 2CI and 2CT7 and DIPT, though.
posted by 256 at 10:32 AM on August 14, 2012


If the improvised flute circle lasts longer than four hours, call your shaman.
posted by Splunge at 10:52 AM on August 14, 2012 [9 favorites]


Things I learned from 5MEO-DMT back in 2002, when you could still buy it off the internet :

1) The panther shaman watches me sleep, he lives in the corner of my kitchen near the closet door I never open
2) You can smoke DMT in your dreams and it feels about the same
3) Auto Modown/Spacegirl Blues on repeat is not a good way to entertain your friends
4) Hi-five each other with your feet. It makes sense for some reason.
5) Please don't chief it like you're smoking some weed, and if you do please don't piss yourself on my couch
6) Dude, I know it sucks because you just saw the Jeweled Dome and experienced lucid dream reality while awake, but you just totally puked on your shirt and should probably clean it up
7) "I'm glad I measured out that dose while I was still tripping!" -- words never said by ANYONE EVER
posted by Afroblanco at 10:59 AM on August 14, 2012 [16 favorites]


oh, and also :

8) It is enjoyed by a completely random assortment of people. Experienced trippers may hate it, while random-assed drinking buddies treat it like blow. Your light-yearage may vary.
posted by Afroblanco at 11:02 AM on August 14, 2012


SWIM ordered some AMT online once. What a nice little time in a low-lit still air night. Just calm and feeling content. Of course the acid buzziness to it wasn't so fun, but the mildly pleasurable contentedness was certainly nice. So I hear.

I really wish MDMA could be RX'd at a very low dose (I dunno, I'm guessing somewhere between 25-75 mg, though 75 might be a bit much for a smaller person, but for a larger person it might be just about right). Just a daily pop to make it all feel just right.
posted by symbioid at 11:10 AM on August 14, 2012


This Alexander Shulgin fellow graduated from Berkeley's biochem ph.d program and worked at Bio-Rad Labs? How could he have become anything other than what he is?

BIO-RAD LABS!
posted by clockzero at 11:16 AM on August 14, 2012


SWIM used to import phenethylamines from a nice little operation in Singapore, until packages started disappearing in transit at which time a great purging of glassware and supplies took place.
posted by atrazine at 11:58 AM on August 14, 2012 [1 favorite]


Just a daily pop to make it all feel just right.

Unfortunately, MDMA doesn't really work like that. Daily use at 25-75mg would wreck your brain chemistry from serotonin depletion. Somewhere between a few days or a month of that daily threshold dose and you'd crash so hard you'd probably be suicidally depressed.

The rule of thumb that an honest, legitimate researcher into these chemicals recommended to me is never use MDMA more than once every two weeks - and that wasn't even a safety recommendation, that was just based on effectiveness - IE, it was a waste of MDMA to do MDMA more frequently than that, because you just didn't have the available serotonin to play with - and even once every two weeks could be considered abuse.

I remember the moment in the mid 90s rave scene where this wisdom was lost or abandoned, but while there was still plenty of real MDMA going around as opposed to the fake cocktails of meth/DXM/MDA/whatever found in "ecstasy" pressed tablets, and it was pretty bad.

People were going out partying for multiple days in a row. It was entirely possible to head out for a rave as early as Thursday night, party all day Friday at some sketchy after-afterhours until Friday night, head out to another rave Friday night and repeat all weekend long until Sunday evening or Monday morning.

Some of these people would crash and sleep for the rest of the week until the long weekend rolled around again.

Unsurprisingly, this was also the year that meth invaded. That sucked.
posted by loquacious at 12:12 PM on August 14, 2012 [3 favorites]


The science and politics of mind-altering drugs
posted by homunculus at 12:16 PM on August 14, 2012


I thought for sure one of the two men was going to be Huey Lewis.
posted by rocket88 at 3:02 PM on August 14, 2012 [1 favorite]


loquacious: "I remember the moment in the mid 90s rave scene where this wisdom was lost or abandoned"

It was? I was always told basically this in the late 90s (in Norway). Although people I knew mostly recommended once a month as a maximum safe average, and that made sense to me. Who the hell has time to roll more often than that anyway? If you start on Friday night, it basically absorbs your whole weekend, you're barely back to normal on Monday morning. Don't people have anything else to do with their free time?
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 3:54 PM on August 14, 2012


I recall it from a slightly earlier time. Probably in the early 1980s. We learned the hard way back then. :)

Me: This shit is so awesome!
Friend: I love you bro!

Later:

Me: I'm coming down.
Friend: Me too.
Me: I have more!
Friend: Superb!

Later:

Me: That didn't help.
Friend: I have weed.
Me: Cool.
posted by Splunge at 5:00 PM on August 14, 2012 [5 favorites]


I really wish MDMA could be RX'd at a very low dose (I dunno, I'm guessing somewhere between 25-75 mg, though 75 might be a bit much for a smaller person, but for a larger person it might be just about right). Just a daily pop to make it all feel just right.

Yeah, doesn't work like that. I can usually only do one psychedelic every few days and feel any effect.

Who the hell has time to roll more often than that anyway?

Do you remember when you were 23? I worked 8 hours a day and slept 3.

There's nothing like an improvised flute circle that nobody else can see to let you know that yes, indeed, the drugs have kicked in.

You're like that guy who started talking to me about Evil. You're trying to give me a bad trip. It's the seventh link of the post!

What does the flute circle have to do with anything?

THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW!
posted by mrgrimm at 9:03 AM on August 15, 2012


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