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	<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:06:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Makers of Ruins</title>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Once upon a time, there was a wizard who knew what Heaven and Hell looked like.&lt;/blockquote&gt;On &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hughpearman.com/2006/09.html&quot;&gt;Joseph&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2006/apr/01/architecture?INTCMP=SRCH&quot;&gt;Michael&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Michael_Gandy&quot;&gt;Gandy&lt;/a&gt; (1771 &#8211; 1843), the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Soane&quot;&gt;architect&apos;s assistant&lt;/a&gt; who painted &lt;a title=&quot;&apos;Pandemonium&apos;&quot; href=&quot;http://lh5.ggpht.com/-XVmjZDN-TYM/Tn3VIHb7bYI/AAAAAAABZUk/WnSJX675Iw8/Gandy_Pandemonium_1805_125%252520%2525282%252529.jpg&quot;&gt;palaces&lt;/a&gt; that never were and &lt;a title=&quot; Soane&apos;s Bank of England as a ruin, 1830&quot; href=&quot;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B7-cEthSVc0/TyqDG57cm9I/AAAAAAAAARI/bjxUBUYjByA/s1600/JosephGandy%255B1%255D.jpg&quot;&gt;ruins&lt;/a&gt; that had yet to be. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gandy&apos;s architectural fantasies are properly called &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capriccio_%28painting%29&quot;&gt;capricci&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. The capriccio genre was launched by Venetian landscape painters who grew tired of executing the same handful of views of the Grand Canal for tourists and began to make up new antique panoramas. The style attained &lt;a title=&quot;Carceri VII&quot; href=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gq9dB-Ywb8A/TaCOzM8fpkI/AAAAAAAAOy4/95oYCNIMF2E/s1600/piranesi-carceri_07b.jpg&quot;&gt;profundity&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hss.adelaide.edu.au/philosophy/inconsistent-images/piranesi/&quot;&gt;terror&lt;/a&gt; in the etchings of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Battista_Piranesi&quot;&gt;Piranesi&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/tags/piranesi&quot;&gt;previously&lt;/a&gt;) and &lt;a title=&quot;&apos;Vue imaginaire de la Grande Galerie du Louvre en ruines&quot; href=&quot;https://d30dcznuokq8w8.cloudfront.net/works/r/bal/0/8/9/52980_full_1024x808.jpg&quot;&gt;an odd ruinous calm&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/artist/Robert,+Hubert&quot;&gt;the massive canvases&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Robert&quot;&gt;Hubert&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a title=&quot;Hubert Robert: A Fortunate Life - short documentary by Alexander Sokurov&quot; href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xagQeWt12lQ&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:57:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chavenet</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571799</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Gandy&apos;s vision of the Bank of England in ruins&lt;/em&gt;

Ahhh, wishful thinking.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:06:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BlackLeotardFront</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571812</link>	
		<description>Ah! My god! I was just learning about this guy Gandy the other day! His work is goddamn &lt;em&gt;amazing&lt;/em&gt;. I scoured the net for hours trying to find a couple decent versions of his images. Even had to email a couple British university types who have things unavailable elsewhere. It&apos;s incredibly hard to find copies of his stuff, but I managed to piece together quite a few in good quality.&lt;a href=&quot;http://imgur.com/a/ffW9H&quot;&gt; I&apos;ve uploaded them to a gallery here&lt;/a&gt; (56k warning).</description>
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		<title>By: jeffamaphone</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571813</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve always loved these sorts of things.  One of my favorites is Canaletto&apos;s &lt;em&gt;An Island in the Lagoon with a Gateway and a Church&lt;/em&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slam.org/eMuseum/media/full/121967dig.jpg&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:10:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shothotbot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571823</link>	
		<description>This is super cool.  We had a little waterfall on our property and I always wanted to install some fake ruins there.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:13:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeffamaphone</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571848</link>	
		<description>Oh they also have some Hubert Robert paintings: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slam.org/eMuseum/media/full/5241955dig.jpg&quot;&gt;Fantastic View of Tivoli&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slam.org/eMuseum/media/full/321956.jpg&quot;&gt;The Column&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slam.org/eMuseum/media/full/1021957dig.jpg&quot;&gt;The Obelisk&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slam.org/eMuseum/media/full/221958dig.jpg&quot;&gt;The Ruin&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slam.org/emuseum/code/emuseum.asp?style=single&amp;currentrecord=1&amp;page=seealso&amp;profile=objects&amp;searchdesc=The%20Obelisk...&amp;searchstring=id/,/is/,/2492/,/false/,/true&amp;newvalues=1&amp;rawsearch=id/,/is/,/3034/,/false/,/true&amp;newstyle=single&amp;newprofile=objects&amp;newsearchdesc=The%20Ruin&amp;newcurrentrecord=1&amp;module=objects&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:19:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The 10th Regiment of Foot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571850</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;We had a little waterfall on our property and I always wanted to install some fake ruins there.&lt;/em&gt;

Your name isn&apos;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_in_Hagley_Park&quot;&gt;Lyttelton&lt;/a&gt; by chance is it?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:20:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DU</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571853</link>	
		<description>These aren&apos;t real pictures of fake ruins. They are fake pictures of ruins.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:21:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The 10th Regiment of Foot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571862</link>	
		<description>Well the pictures are real, the pictures are just of fake things or real things that aren&apos;t ruined yet.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:24:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: yoink</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4571868</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;They are fake pictures of ruins&lt;/i&gt;

Capricci knockoffs? Sapristi knockos!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:26:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: treepour</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4572119</link>	
		<description>Thanks for this post!

I love this sort of thing and didn&apos;t realize it has a name and historical tradition.

Moreover, I think it&apos;s resolved a mysterious early-childhood memory. When I was very young, my parents took me some sort of film showing for kids at the public library. I was barely old enough to pay attention and follow-along, but the imagery from that film -- whatever it was -- has always haunted me. When I clicked on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gq9dB-Ywb8A/TaCOzM8fpkI/AAAAAAAAOy4/95oYCNIMF2E/s1600/piranesi-carceri_07b.jpg&quot;&gt;Piranesi&lt;/a&gt;, I instantly recognized it as the imagery that&apos;s been in the back of my mind all these years.

Why on earth a public library would be showing a film that had something to do with that etching to small children, I have no idea. But I even remember the spiky roller things on the lower-left and how much they creeped me out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:02:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SageLeVoid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4572236</link>	
		<description>I was reading (and discovering) about Piranesi just yesterday in the second trade paperback of Morrison&apos;s Doom Patrol (The painting that ate paris), where Paris is eaten by a knock off of a mysterious Piranesi&apos;s painting.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:57:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Katjusa Roquette</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4572609</link>	
		<description>But ... What will the archeologists think?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:49:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Katjusa Roquette</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lucien_reeve</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4573319</link>	
		<description>Thank you! I had never heard of Gandy. Wonderful stuff. 

And a very big thank you as well to BlackLeotardFront for what I believe the goons on SomethingAwful would call an &quot;effortpost&quot; - a really substantial contribution to the thread. What a great gallery. Incredibly evocative and strange and visionary.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:59:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jfuller</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/120037/Makers-of-Ruins#4574419</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s absurdly pleasing that Gandy&apos;s view of the Bank of England in ruins is shown in the article on John Soane, who designed the bank building (fpp &apos;architect&apos;s assistant&apos; link) and blandly referred to there as a &quot;cutaway view.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:27:13 -0800</pubDate>
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