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Still In Our Eyes
October 7, 2012 4:05 PM   Subscribe

Twenty-three years ago, John Cusack and Peter Gabriel were inexorably linked by a single scene from the movie Say Anything. The scene's inspired devotion, mockery, parodies (including South Park, Saturday Night Live, Jimmy Kimmel, and even here on the blue) and flash mobs. Cusack and Gabriel have accepted their shared fate, though - and recently paid tribute themselves, during the Hollywood Bowl show from Peter's current tour.

Other trivia about The Scene And The Song:

* According to Cameron Crowe, he almost didn't get permission to use the song at all because the film company had screwed up and sent Peter Gabriel a copy of the film Wired instead. No one caught the mistake until Crowe called Gabriel on the phone and Gabriel said "well, I don't really think it would fit with that overdose scene...."

* It was actually a Billy Idol song that gave Crowe the idea for the scene.

* And this is what was actually playing on the boombox when they shot the scene.
posted by EmpressCallipygos (60 comments total) 37 users marked this as a favorite

 
23 years!? MMA is basically kickboxing wow that movie was prescient.
posted by humanfont at 4:27 PM on October 7, 2012


That SNL skit is one of my favorites. Thanks for the post!
posted by joshuaconner at 4:29 PM on October 7, 2012


We have a full-scale Steinberger alert, people. If anything in an odd time signature is detected Allan Holdsworth will descend from the roof of the aircraft and give each passenger a Werther's Original. Remain calm and praise Geddy.
posted by mintcake! at 4:29 PM on October 7, 2012 [4 favorites]


I have missed Lloyd Dobler in my life. SO HARD.
posted by youandiandaflame at 4:33 PM on October 7, 2012 [7 favorites]


The biggest surprise is that no-one has overlaid Gangnam Style over that video clip and stuck it up on YouTube. #surprised
posted by Wordshore at 4:39 PM on October 7, 2012 [2 favorites]


No one say anything bad about that scene and all will be right with the world.
posted by drewbage1847 at 4:39 PM on October 7, 2012 [4 favorites]


You can't see it in the Hollywood Bowl clip, but apparently Peter Gabriel did the full-on Lloyd Dobbler boombox-over-the-head pose as well for a second.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:42 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


That song is just so full of life.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:47 PM on October 7, 2012 [2 favorites]


23 years!?! Jeez I suddenly feel so old.
posted by govtdrone at 4:49 PM on October 7, 2012 [4 favorites]


I can't believe someone didn't title this post "The Dobbler Effect."

(yes, you can groan all you want, you thought of it too)
posted by trackofalljades at 4:57 PM on October 7, 2012 [3 favorites]


That song is just so full of life.

Man, it's the highlight of the album.

I've been kicking myself for missing the New York date on this re-run tour; but I saw Peter Gabriel when he toured with So the FIRST time, and that song and "Biko" were the encores and pretty much blew my tiny little 16-year-old mind.

(A friend saw Peter Gabriel when he did the 1994 "Woodstock 2" concert, and remembers looking around him at the rest of the crowd during "In Your Eyes" to see the entire hillside they were on sparkling with the lights of 350,000 people all flicking their lighters on and off in unison to the beat of the song.)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:57 PM on October 7, 2012


Wow, there's a lot thumbs in black clothes on that stage.
posted by NoMich at 4:59 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


You know what I didn't realize for years and years and years?

That scene isn't the end of the movie. There's like 40 more minutes of anti-climactic junk about visiting Frasier's dad in jail. It's a great scene but it deserves to be in a better movie.
posted by drjimmy11 at 5:03 PM on October 7, 2012 [5 favorites]


Wow. I am a child of the eighties and I had never heard the song or seen the movie that this post references. Weird.
posted by razorian at 5:03 PM on October 7, 2012 [2 favorites]


My wife was 19 when that movie came out and she still loves it. Must be more of a chick thing, I never really "got" it.

* It was actually a Billy Idol song that gave Crowe the idea for the scene.

Interesting. Love that song. Love the video too, Billy channeling Jim Morrison and humping the floor and, well, how can you not love Steve Stevens' hair?
posted by MikeMc at 5:10 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


Man, it's the highlight of the album.

So is one of the few records from which I couldn't pick a favorite - the jigsaw pieces fit perfectly. The only limb I can go out on track listing-wise is that, to me, the original CD/cassette ending ('We Do What We're Told'>'This Is The Picture') is perfect and 'In Your Eyes' is the right song halfway through the record. This record induced 13 year-old me to read Milgram, obsess on Laurie Anderson, find a bass hero in Tony Levin, and dive head first into Anne Sexton. The tour (Meadowlands/NJ) was the first huge show I'd ever seen. I owe PG big time (hee) for it.
posted by mintcake! at 5:20 PM on October 7, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I got a question, if you guys know so much about women how come you're here at like a Gas & Sip on a Saturday night, completely alone, drinking beers, no women anywhere?"

Also a great scene. We were the kids at the gas and sip, though. Not Lloyd.
posted by karst at 5:34 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


Expecting "In Your Eyes" and getting Fishbone instead. That's pretty much my love life in a nutshell.
posted by smirkette at 5:35 PM on October 7, 2012 [6 favorites]


Peter Gabriel is awesome. Peter Gabriel with Manu Katche at the kit is sublime.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 5:43 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


The biggest surprise is that no-one has overlaid Gangnam Style over that video clip and stuck it up on YouTube. #surprised

Be the change you want to see!
posted by asterix at 5:59 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


I have to say, this tour gives lie to Gabriel's continual "I don't look at the past" excuse when he's approached about doing a Lamb Lies Down reunion tour with Genesis.
posted by hippybear at 6:07 PM on October 7, 2012 [2 favorites]


Thanks for this post - I never 'got' that part of that SouthPark episode until just now, OMG that is so racist.
posted by Monkey0nCrack at 6:24 PM on October 7, 2012


That was a great scene. This is not from that scene. This is from another scene. This is the scene that made this movie great for me. Apologies for the derail.

I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that.
-Lloyd Dobler
posted by jammy at 6:26 PM on October 7, 2012 [11 favorites]


Thanks for this post - I never 'got' that part of that SouthPark episode until just now

Hey, if you're under 13, I sure hope you've gotten your parents' permission to have a MetaFilter account.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:35 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


Even Family Guy (at 2:12)
posted by BozoBurgerBonanza at 6:36 PM on October 7, 2012


And then there is this tweet from Cameron Crowe.
posted by mkb at 6:55 PM on October 7, 2012


Oh, you mentioned it. Oops.
posted by mkb at 6:55 PM on October 7, 2012


That's, properly, a Billy Idol cover of a song whose more famous version was done by William Bell for Stax, many moons before.
posted by raysmj at 7:01 PM on October 7, 2012


Peter Gabriel is awesome. Peter Gabriel with Manu Katche at the kit is sublime.

Throw in Youssou N'Dour and I would just ascend to heaven from sheer bliss.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:04 PM on October 7, 2012 [4 favorites]


Well, I did my low budget geeky testament to it at one point.

I walked up to a (now ex-)girlfriend's door, knocked, waited patiently while she answered, then held up my Palm and started playing said song through the built-in speaker.

On a total derail - DIAF, Palm, for stopping making actual PDAs after said much loved, much toted Palm died and could not be replaced.

(And, yeah, first time I played with the edit tool too. Nice pony.)
posted by Samizdata at 7:06 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


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posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:13 PM on October 7, 2012 [43 favorites]


...So that's three MeFites at the Byrne for the So tour.

That song, and that scene, have so much mixed in it in my life that I just can't totally break it down to the basics. it reminds me of the most disastrous relationship of my college years (which that movie was contemporaneous with) and all the good and bad that went with it.

But you know, that song is so good at expressing that feeling of connection with someone, the sense of completion and transcendence. It's sweet and kind and gentle and all about being able to let down your guard.

And then on the same album, Gabriel did "Don't Give Up", the other side of that, the thank you for letting in.

Brilliant.
posted by mephron at 7:28 PM on October 7, 2012 [2 favorites]


I much prefer the moment when John Cusack and Van Halen were inexorably linked.
posted by Catblack at 7:42 PM on October 7, 2012 [8 favorites]


And here's a great version that does feature Youssou N'dour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGao0UZmHpU
posted by mike3k at 7:49 PM on October 7, 2012


Every time I hear "In Your Eyes," I think of hearing the record play from across the room as I laid on a sofa in my then favorite coffee shop in New Orleans eating a midnight snack of a toasted bagel with cream cheese. That's probably my life's most memorable bagel.
posted by octobersurprise at 8:02 PM on October 7, 2012 [3 favorites]


right, this is one of my favorite takes on the song - this was from the 1988 world tour Amnesty did with Peter Gabriel, Sting, and a couple other people. They filmed the last gig on the tour and showed that on HBO or something.

It's not a perfect performance; Peter forgets a couple words, a couple people run out of breath, and there's a moment where it looks like Peter's signalling to someone that one of the mikes is going out. But holy mother of God, there is such joy in this performance.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:40 PM on October 7, 2012


The moment when John Cusack and Devo were inexorably linked.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 8:47 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


In a weird full circle thing, the first time I ever heard the extra long live version (which includes the full intro, though sadly this video doesn't) I was winding down after a long night of singing and playing guitar with a buddy of mine. When we'd get together for these sessions, we played mostly to entertain ourselves, just for the pure joy of it. So, exhausted, and with dawn approaching and the whippoorwills calling in the trees, I put on the radio just as Will Pendarvis spun up the long version of "In Your Eyes". My friend was a big fan, and so had heard it many times before. He told me to turn it up, and when I did I thought I was just humoring him. "Really? Peter Gabriel," I said to myself. Then when the band picks up at the beginning of the first verse, I was hooked. Needless to say, it really held my attention and I've loved that version ever since. This was just icing on the cake.

This evening, right before I checked MetaFilter, I hopped on Facebook and saw that my buddy, who now lives in L.A., was apparently at this show.
posted by ob1quixote at 9:14 PM on October 7, 2012


"I gave her my heart, she gave me a pen."

Uh, it's a Montblanc, Lloyd. Be nice.
posted by ColdChef at 9:22 PM on October 7, 2012 [3 favorites]


Thanks for this post, because for whatever reason it sent me searching to find this video, which is the first time I ever heard Peter Gabriel's "Biko." I taped it off a radio simulcast of the "Amnesty International, Conspiracy of Hope" tour. I knew little about Apartheid at the time, and didn't know the story of Stephen Biko, but the song so got under my skin that I soon learned. (Add to this Sting's "They Dance Alone," and the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, and I think you have pretty much all the major pillars of my current political beliefs.)
posted by dnash at 9:46 PM on October 7, 2012 [1 favorite]


Love that song. Love that movie. However, I may have just ended my marriage by not fully appreciating every freaking detail of that video as he interrupted me to show me-look at this light show! Check out this effect! Perhaps I should have disclosed years ago that I....I...I don't much like Peter Gabriel.
posted by purenitrous at 10:02 PM on October 7, 2012


However, I may have just ended my marriage by not fully appreciating every freaking detail of that video as he interrupted me to show me-look at this light show! Check out this effect! Perhaps I should have disclosed years ago that I....I...I don't much like Peter Gabriel.

I've divorced you already, and we aren't even married.
posted by hippybear at 10:15 PM on October 7, 2012 [5 favorites]


...So that's three MeFites at the Byrne for the So tour.

Make it four.
posted by KingEdRa at 10:57 PM on October 7, 2012


Whenever I see that scene now, I can't help but think of one of my favorite funny but oh so trenchant Onion articles: Romantic-Comedy Behavior Gets Real-Life Man Arrested.
posted by kmz at 12:09 AM on October 8, 2012 [1 favorite]


KingEdRa: you're one of the three. I remember that from a previous thread. :)
posted by mephron at 1:34 AM on October 8, 2012


Thanks for this post, because for whatever reason it sent me searching to find this video, which is the first time I ever heard Peter Gabriel's "Biko."

That video captures one of the big goose-bumpy moments Peter used to do in concerts (he typically doesn't do it in concerts any more). He'd get the whole crowd to join him on that final chant, and then encourage them to keep going ("what happens next is up to you") and would leave the stage. The rest of the band would leave gradually, leaving the crowd to keep up the chant themselves as long as they could, and only come out for their final bow when the crowd chant finally broke down. When I saw him in '86, the whole crowd of us kept our chant going for a good minute and a half.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:21 AM on October 8, 2012 [3 favorites]


When I saw him in '86, the whole crowd of us kept our chant going for a good minute and a half.

'83, Security tour, out of my mind on LSD. Absolutely relevatory.
posted by Devils Rancher at 4:32 AM on October 8, 2012


I stayed out of this thread, because Gabriel was very important to me as a teenager, and I wasn't looking forward to the usual evisceration of musical acts that MeFi is so, so good at.

So I finally looked in, and wow! How unexpected. Everyone was actually nice.

I've never liked his lyrics much, but the music, wow, the music is just unreal. I especially like Passion, because it gets his klutzy semi-poetry out of the way completely, and just lets the music through.

My first exposure to So (and, really, to Peter Gabriel for my first actual focused listening) was shortly after the album came out. My best friend's father was very wealthy, so my introduction to Peter Gabriel was sitting in a very comfortable chair, centered in front of a truly excellent stereo, but facing away from it, in a totally silent house, listening to Mercy Street.

It's one of the clearest memories of my teenage years. I thought about the angle and quality of the light I remember in that room, and figured it had to be an afternoon in May, and sure enough, So came out in mid-May of 1986.

My friends had been listening to him for a lot longer than I had, having been into him back in Genesis, and everyone figured it was his "sellout album", but as a different friend put it, "If he had to sell out, he sure did it right."
posted by Malor at 5:19 AM on October 8, 2012


No one say anything bad about that scene and all will be right with the world.

I see what you did there.
posted by O Blitiri at 5:34 AM on October 8, 2012


my introduction to Peter Gabriel was sitting in a very comfortable chair, centered in front of a truly excellent stereo, but facing away from it, in a totally silent house, listening to Mercy Street.

*snerk* You've reminded me of something that one of my roommates said he used to do in high school. He had a really good stereo system, with huge woofers on it - he said he and his friends used to take turns sitting directly in front of the speakers and then putting on "Rhythm Of The Heat," and then right at the very end, when the drums finally really kick in, someone would crank the bass on the stereo all the way up and blast the volume. My roommate claims that one time his heartbeat changed.

'83, Security tour, out of my mind on LSD. Absolutely relevatory.

I can only imagine what Peter's stage dive during "Lay Your Hands On Me" must have been like for you. He was still doing that in '86, and me and my best friend were in the first mezzanine and when we saw him actually flop into the crowd we shrieked and ran to the stairs to see if we could join the crowd on the floor, but a security guard stopped us and we spent a frantic couple minutes begging him to plleeeeeeeeeeeeeze let us down? No dice. Sigh.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:57 AM on October 8, 2012


Yeah, I would rank that Gabriel concert amongst the top five musical events of my life, like getting Help! for my 6th birthday, the day my first wife came home from her job at the record store with a demo copy of English Settlement and I dropped the needle on Melt The Guns, Adrian Belew bursting through the wall like the Kool-Aid pitcher in the middle of The Great Curve and having Iggy Pop grab the mic at my band's rehearsal when I was 15.
posted by Devils Rancher at 6:11 AM on October 8, 2012 [2 favorites]


hippybear: "I have to say, this tour gives lie to Gabriel's continual "I don't look at the past" excuse when he's approached about doing a Lamb Lies Down reunion tour with Genesis."

I thought the excuse was that The Musical Box does it much better than Genesis ever did.
posted by mkb at 8:42 AM on October 8, 2012


I especially like Passion, because it gets his klutzy semi-poetry out of the way completely, and just lets the music through.

Passion is one of those albums I had on permanent repeat from 1990-92.

A Different Drum
posted by mrgrimm at 9:13 AM on October 8, 2012


I used to wake from evenings of drinking red wine, channel my inner basso profundo and sing the bass line to "in Your Eyes.". Such a great song. Thanks for the post
posted by grimjeer at 10:29 AM on October 8, 2012


I always thought Sledgehammer was about as perfect as a pop song could be. Fun video, too.
posted by chavenet at 10:38 AM on October 8, 2012 [1 favorite]


I was a child of the 80s and a young adult of the 90s. In Your Eyes was my wedding dance song and I do not care what anyone says, I'm pretty sure the act of dancing that long together that night has kept us married for almost 20 years.
posted by cooker girl at 11:28 AM on October 8, 2012 [2 favorites]


In Your Eyes was my wedding dance song and I do not care what anyone says, I'm pretty sure the act of dancing that long together that night has kept us married for almost 20 years.

My wife insists that she wanted it to be our wedding dance song and I adamantly refused. Not that I dislike Peter Gabriel but I probably wanted something else (FSM only knows what). Being a guy and all I don't actually remember vetoing In Your Eyes but I'll take her word for it. Still, it's 20 years this month so I guess it stuck even without the Dobler Effect.
posted by MikeMc at 11:52 AM on October 8, 2012


For the truly obsessed: Tony Levin has apparently had a blog since 1996, which appears to mostly be photos from concerts when he's out on tour.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:59 AM on October 8, 2012


If you squint, you can see my wife and me in the Boston photos.
posted by mkb at 12:33 PM on October 8, 2012


I've mentioned before on the blue how seeing Gabriel in 1982 at the Houston Music Hall on his Security tour was a life changer for me. After the huge success of Sledgehammer, his show here in 1986 was at the Summit, a much larger venue. It was still an incredible show, but I suppose that me at 18 was a different beastie than me at 15, and I didn't feel the same overwhelming sense of magic that had swept through me at the earlier show.
posted by John Smallberries at 4:20 PM on October 8, 2012


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