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October 16, 2012 4:56 AM   Subscribe

Alfred Eisenstaedt, LIFE magazine photographer and photojournalist, most famous for his photo of a sailor and nurse kissing in Times Square (Previously), had a habit of taking self-portraits with his subjects.
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Iconic kissing sailor photo depicts sexual assault, not romance
posted by Blasdelb at 5:10 AM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


(Previously)

Way to ruin the end of a war, Metafilter.
posted by A Thousand Baited Hooks at 5:21 AM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I saw that revelation about the photo last week. Can't say I'm surprised. I always thought it looked like a mighty uncomfortable position for the woman.
posted by eviemath at 5:47 AM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


(Or, what folks said in the previous thread, that I missed at the time.)
posted by eviemath at 5:55 AM on October 16, 2012


Iconic kissing sailor photo depicts sexual assault, not romance

Did you look at the last photo in the self-portrait link? He's doing the exact same kiss himself earlier in the day, and it makes one wonder how consensual that kiss was, too.
posted by Forktine at 6:03 AM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


To get this thread back on track: He looks like he's having a lot of fun in all these pictures. Reminds me of Twoflower in the Discworld books. A short little guy traveling the world and taking pictures. He even has a camera-around-the-neck touristy look
posted by DU at 6:08 AM on October 16, 2012


It's a bit weird when he and his subject are wearing matching outfits, although I note that he did not try to dress like Jackie Kennedy, which was probably a wise idea, given that her noted fashion sense would be hard to match.
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:09 AM on October 16, 2012


[Folks there is another thread where the sexual assault angle is discussed in detail, please do not make this thread into that thread.]
posted by jessamyn at 6:36 AM on October 16, 2012


He's doing the exact same kiss himself earlier in the day, and it makes one wonder how consensual that kiss was, too.

I'm wondering if he talked that sailor into it; it wouldn't be the first time an iconic photo has come about because of some chicanery on the photographer's part ahead of time.
posted by mhoye at 6:59 AM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Seeing the photographer with these famous subjects totally ruins his work for me. His best images are such great portraiture, his images feel like they are true pictures of the subject, candids that are also beautifully lit and set. Seeing him ham it up by inserting himself is really disturbing, destroys the illusion of the invisible photographer. It's even worse in that he's not hamming it up; the image of him standing behind Kennedy raptly looking on while Kennedy signs something, for instance. Suddenly his work seems so staged.

Eisenstaedt was smart not to publish these.
posted by Nelson at 8:09 AM on October 16, 2012


Self portrait link pictures:
A. Delightful tongue in cheek poking fun at himself?
B. Horribly egocentric?
C. A little bit of both?

I honestly can't decide without having known the man, but I like to think it's A.
posted by SLC Mom at 8:23 AM on October 16, 2012


These were charming and delightful and make me love Eisie even more.

I agree with Nelson's assessment of Eisenstadt's portraiture, but disagree with his take on these images. I love the injection of the human, the everyman, in the shape of Eisenstadt himself, into images of these larger-than-life people. Also, there is clear affection between subject and photographer in enough to suggest that the always-appropriately-dressed Eisenstadt really worked with his subjects, thus his insightful portraiture.

As a person who rarely appears in photographs but is often taking them, I applaud Eisie's little moments of vanity. They give an extra dimension to the other subjects, and remind us that behind every great photograph is a human being tripping the shutter.
posted by kinnakeet at 8:25 AM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


He had Marilyn Monroe in a headlock!
posted by Burhanistan at 8:45 AM on October 16, 2012


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