Comments on: What, No Ben Bradlee?

What, No Ben Bradlee?

marienbad — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:39:25 -0800

Nixon's Enemies - Master List "This memorandum addresses the matter of how we can maximize the fact of our incumbency in dealing with persons known to be active in their opposition to our Administration, Stated a bit more bluntly --how we can use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies. "

This is the original list submitted with comments to [John] Dean by the office of Charles W. Colson. There is no Ben Bradlee, Carl Bernstein or Bob Woodward, although the WaPo is on there and so is Katherine Graham individually.

By: Eyebeams

Eyebeams — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:41:55 -0800

And Carol Channing. Wait, what? *goes to Google*

By: mcstayinskool

mcstayinskool — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:42:04 -0800

If I were in politics at that time, my list would have been much simpler:

Richard Nixon
People that do Richard Nixon's bidding

But the really sad thing is that Nixon wouldn't be right wing enough for today's GOP.

By: Windopaene

Windopaene — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:44:11 -0800

That's a really long list.

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:45:03 -0800

But the really sad thing is that Nixon wouldn't be right wing enough for today's GOP. Or Democratic Party.

By: incandissonance

incandissonance — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:45:55 -0800

It is a badge of honor to be on this list.

By: Ad hominem

Ad hominem — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:47:51 -0800

Guy did not fuck around. George Wallace and Huey Newton both made the list.

By: growabrain

growabrain — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:48:23 -0800

What a piece of work is a man

By: Longtime Listener

Longtime Listener — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:49:33 -0800

Joe Namath?

By: shakespeherian

shakespeherian — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:50:46 -0800

Mister Nixon if you want a piece of Bill Cosby you're going to have to go through me and Fat Albert.

By: Egg Shen

Egg Shen — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:51:32 -0800

It is a badge of honor to be on this list. "In The Great Shark Hunt, Hunter S. Thompson expresses disappointment in not having been included on the list, writing 'I would almost have preferred a vindictive tax audit to that kind of crippling exclusion.'"

By: shakespeherian

shakespeherian — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:52:23 -0800

Also interesting that McNamara is included.

By: Yakuman

Yakuman — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:56:47 -0800

Why Hans Morgenthau, the champion of political realism?

By: steambadger

steambadger — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:57:39 -0800

Steve McQueen?

By: marienbad

marienbad — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:02:03 -0800

I wondered about some of the names on the list that have been called out on here, Joe Namath for example. And yeah, no HST is hilarious, Nixon shure took his eye off the ball there huh?

By: mazola

mazola — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:03:09 -0800

Tony Randall? Really? Unless it was because of Hello Down There, then I totally get it.

By: potsmokinghippieoverlord

potsmokinghippieoverlord — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:04:01 -0800

Joe Namath? That was for the centerfold.

By: Atom Eyes

Atom Eyes — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:08:05 -0800

Joe Namath? "Look at them sideburns! He looks like a girl! Now, Johnny Unitas. There's a haircut you could set your watch to."

By: JHarris

JHarris — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:08:28 -0800

I wonder how many others in the GOP have such a list. I'd be somehow disappointed if Cheney didn't. I wonder if Romney has one.

By: DU

DU — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:09:37 -0800

I assume all the actors and entertainers are because of "liberal hollywood". I'm sure plenty in all political offices have lists, mental if not physical. The problem is not the list. The problem is the "use the available federal machinery to screw".

By: rough ashlar

rough ashlar — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:10:43 -0800

I wonder how many others in the GOP have such a list. Yes, because only the GOP would ever stoop so low as to use the tools of Government Regulation VS people or things they don't like.

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:11:50 -0800

That's a really long list. These are domestic enemies (John Lennon was living in New York). Outside the U.S.A, Nixon's list would become enormous, starting with Canada's most revered Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau.

By: It's Never Lurgi

It's Never Lurgi — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:13:24 -0800

I can't figure out why Joe Namath was on the list. I don't think he was particularly political in his public life. He also voted for Nixon (I think). Perhaps Nixon just hated the Jets. I'm sure that when Paul Newman discovered he was on the list, he poured himself a scotch, lit up a cigar, and sat back in his chair, grinning like a Cheshire cat.

By: potsmokinghippieoverlord

potsmokinghippieoverlord — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:13:40 -0800

Newsman Daniel Schorr and Paul Newman stated, separately, that inclusion on the list was their greatest accomplishment. When this list was released, Schorr read it live on television, not realizing that he was on the list until he came to his own name.

By: JHarris

JHarris — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:18:40 -0800

rough ashlar, that is not what Nixon's enemies list was. It was a vindictive way of getting back at specific people, to hurt them however they could, using the instruments of power, for the purpose of making others fear crossing them. It was the use of the machinery of the U.S. government for personal purposes, a textbook example of corruption. It was not just "using the tools of Government Regulation VS people or things [you] don't like," BTW your dog whistle deafened an innocent golden retriever outside. Why does one not like something? Is it because it's hurting innocent people, the country, or our world, or because it worked against you personally? Phooey to you.

By: potsmokinghippieoverlord

potsmokinghippieoverlord — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:24:30 -0800

Richard Nixon didn't like Hello Down There?

A combo of scuba dupes rock up a storm in a mad pad under the surf!

With Richard Dreyfus! And special guest star Merv Griffin, who I hope plays the Elevator Killer! I'm renting this right away -- fuck you, Nixon!

By: shakespeherian

shakespeherian — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:26:00 -0800

I wonder how many others in the GOP have such a list. I'd be somehow disappointed if Cheney didn't. Somehow when I first read that I thought you were referring to Chevy Chase and now I'm pretty well convinced he does anyway.

By: Thorzdad

Thorzdad — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:26:29 -0800

I wonder how many others in the GOP have such a list. I'd be somehow disappointed if Cheney didn't. I'm guessing Cheney's list was just a photo of the Earth.

By: This, of course, alludes to you

This, of course, alludes to you — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:26:58 -0800

Is it because it's hurting innocent people, the country, or our world, or because it worked against you personally?
it is easy to convince yourself it is the former when it is mainly the latter, cf. "you won't have Nixon to kick around any more"

By: Atom Eyes

Atom Eyes — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:27:23 -0800

Compared to Nixon, Jimmy Carter's enemies list looks pretty puny: 1. Cashews 2. Bunny Rabbits 3. Satan

By: Rock Steady

Rock Steady — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:28:13 -0800

potsmokinghippieoverlord: When this list was released, Schorr read it live on television, not realizing that he was on the list until he came to his own name. That might be the best thing that ever happens in the history of journalism, past and future.

By: Renoroc

Renoroc — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:32:13 -0800

It's like the Vatican's list of banned books; it's an immense boost to your p.r. to be on it.

By: Yakuman

Yakuman — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:41:58 -0800

Interesting how 58.66 percent of the list is Jewish.

By: zamboni

zamboni — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:44:59 -0800

Steve McQueen? McQueen was a Republican - maybe it was something personal, or, as has been suggested, he ended up on the list due to association/confusion with Paul Newman. A few pages suggested it was due to appearing in An Enemy of the People, but that didn't come out until 1978. It sounds like people were surprised then as well as now.

An incredulous Ali MacGraw asked McQueen how he could have been considered a threat by Nixon, adding, "You are the most patriotic person I know!" McQueen responded to the whole affair by flying an enormous American flag outside his house.

By: marienbad

marienbad — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:45:29 -0800

Whos the .66? /Thanks Groucho.

By: octobersurprise

octobersurprise — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:49:52 -0800

What's remarkable about the list is its inclusion of people with pretty firm Republican and/or Establishment sympathies: Scotty Reston fancied himself Kissenger's pal, for Christ's sakes. Roland Evans? Morton Kondracke? (The only Fox News employee to make a Republican President's enemies list, I'm betting.) None of those guys were exactly eager to give Nixon a black eye. It's evidence of Nixon's paranoia that not only did he not know who his enemies were, he didn't know who his friends were, either.

By: Atom Eyes

Atom Eyes — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:53:18 -0800

It's evidence of Nixon's paranoia that not only did he not know who his enemies were, he didn't know who his friends were, either. Well, considering that most of Nixon's friends didn't even like him, he might have been onto something.

By: cmoj

cmoj — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:07:15 -0800

*cmd-F* cmoj :(

By: Rock Steady

Rock Steady — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:08:15 -0800

It's evidence of Nixon's paranoia that not only did he not know who his enemies were, he didn't know who his friends were, either. Without knowing much about Nixon's campaigns specifically, it's not hard to imagine that his road through the Republican primary and convention process created a few "enemies".

By: Madamina

Madamina — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:12:00 -0800

My ex-husband once said, "My shit list is as follows: 1. Others." It was in relation to an MMORPG, but I think it really did apply to everything else. Which explains a lot.

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:23:39 -0800

This may shed light on how Carol Channing made Nixon's shitlist:

With the National Democratic Convention scheduled to begin on August 24 in Atlantic City, Liz approached Carol Channing with the idea of using the hit song [Hello, Dolly!] for the Democratic candidate, the incumbent President Lyndon Baines Johnson who, as Vice President, had assumed the presidency upon the assassination of President John F. Kennedy nine months earlier. ... Carol Channing was rushed by limousine from Broadway to Atlantic City on the opening day of the National Democratic Convention and, occasionally glimpsing at the new lyrics scribbled out, premiered the political hit song of '64 - Hello Lyndon!

By: RonButNotStupid

RonButNotStupid — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:26:27 -0800

That might be the best thing that ever happens in the history of journalism, past and future. Indeed. I find it highly unlikely that any journalist would incite that kind of animosity from a politician today. They're far too worried about losing "access"

By: IAmBroom

IAmBroom — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:31:59 -0800

growabrain: What a piece of work is a man

I've underlined a possible typo there.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:36:30 -0800

This may shed light on how Carol Channing made Nixon's shitlist: That, and Nixon was allergic to raspberries.

By: TheWhiteSkull

TheWhiteSkull — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:50:36 -0800

What a piece of [expletive deleted] is a man.

By: Ruthless Bunny

Ruthless Bunny — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:58:08 -0800

Just goes to show you what a paranoid motherfucker Nixon really was. I mean, Tony Randall? Sure, the man can eat steak and all, but Tony Randall?

By: rough ashlar

rough ashlar — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:01:43 -0800

Phooey to you. I was thinking of claims like this - IRS smoking gun documents: White House tied to improper political audit of Western Journalism Center IRS documents show audit "originated" with complaint forwarded by Clinton White House; Documents Should Have Been Turned Over Years Ago, Proves Clinton IRS Untruthful (now a court had a different POV on the matter) How about a lack of oversight for your 'friends'? inspectors even went so far as to let oil companies literally fill out their own inspection reports using pencils. MMS inspectors would write on top of the pencil in ink and turn in the completed form. Now Qwest didn't go along with the NSA warrentless wiretap back during the Bush administration and ended up having various investigations/fines along with government contracts just not going to them and eventually stopped being a separate corporation. Would the outcome for Qwest as a Corporation been different if they had agreed to warrentless wiretapping? How about the tale of Mrs. Fitts?

By: dances_with_sneetches

dances_with_sneetches — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:06:44 -0800

No Nixon nostalgia tour is complete without bringing up his theories on gays, Mexicans and Archie Bunker. (Unless you've read it, it is more ridiculous than you can imagine.)

By: rough ashlar

rough ashlar — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:13:57 -0800

No Nixon nostalgia tour is complete without bringing up his theories on gays, Mexicans and Archie Bunker Like attracted like - Earl Butts and his shoe quote. But worry not, the present crop of public servants have been making their own theories with rape and abortion being the more talked about.

By: tommasz

tommasz — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:32:40 -0800

Interesting how 58.66 percent of the list is Jewish. And yet he's still worshiped by Ben Stein, go figure.

By: bonefish

bonefish — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:37:58 -0800

Leave Hello Down There out of this. It's almost a perfect movie.

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:41:20 -0800

"I was thinking of claims like this - IRS smoking gun documents: White House tied to improper political audit of Western Journalism Center IRS documents show audit "originated" with complaint forwarded by Clinton White House; Documents Should Have Been Turned Over Years Ago, Proves Clinton IRS Untruthful (now a court had a different POV on the matter)" You mean the claims of a conservative action group, with none of the actual documents, who managed to produce no legal evidence of misconduct? "inspectors even went so far as to let oil companies literally fill out their own inspection reports using pencils. MMS inspectors would write on top of the pencil in ink and turn in the completed form. " Oh, you mean the misconduct that happened during the Bush administration? He was, unless I've wandered into an alternate universe, actually a Republican, and his administration was famously corrupt. As far as the Mrs. Fitts, I got about three paragraphs into the morass of paranoid conspiracy nonsense before backing out slowly and shutting the door.

By: homunculus

homunculus — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:49:26 -0800

Woodward and Bernstein: 40 years after Watergate, Nixon was far worse than we thought Previously.

By: ovvl

ovvl — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:08:03 -0800

There are worse things than death... Oliver Stone tends to mythologize history, but his interpretation of Nixon is really worth viewing. In this film, Nixon's Enemies List is kinda like a personal response to Hoover's FBI blackmail file.

By: indubitable

indubitable — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:10:10 -0800

Yeah, he had an enemies list, but did he have a kill list?

By: williampratt

williampratt — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:15:45 -0800

Why Hans Morgenthau, the champion of political realism? I'm not exactly sure why he was on the list, but Morgenthau did disagree with the US war on Vietnam, on the grounds that it was an ideologically driven policy rather than something in the US national interest. Given his prominence as an intellectual, this would probably be enough to get on the list.

By: ostro

ostro — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:54:26 -0800

There's a section headed, simply, "Black congressmen." Stay classy, Nixon.

By: Joe in Australia

Joe in Australia — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:32:59 -0800

The weird thing is that (according to the recent FPP on electoral visualisation) Nixon was actually absurdly popular. He had no reason to be worried about political enemies. His downfall was entirely self-inflicted; if he had ignored his enemies he'd have left office with the majority of the country still supporting him.

By: KingEdRa

KingEdRa — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:39:51 -0800

Yeah, he had an enemies list, but did he have a kill list? Never mind that, did he have a Fuck-Marry-Kill list?

By: fleacircus

fleacircus — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 03:29:17 -0800

[Mrs. Fitts] I got about three paragraphs into the morass of paranoid conspiracy nonsense before backing out slowly and shutting the door. Near as I could scan it (and I'm trying not to fall in the rabbit hole), she was someone who was involved with FHA/HUD during the GHWB and GWB administrations. In between, she set up a private company that "won" a HUD contract. Besides making money off HUD/taxpayers, I assume they had access to a lot of HUD data. Around 1996 she is convinced the HUD is a giant drug money laundering scheme* whose purpose is to help Clinton get re-elected and run drugs with the CIA and stuff. That's the ne plus ultra, and so she tries to probably launch/abet what sounds like a "LOOKIT HOW HUD IS IN CAHOOTS WITH DRUG CARTELS" smear on the taxpayer dime. Her company is smacked down, and poor Catherine Austin Fitts has to make do with a mere four residences, before she's back at HUD with GWB (at which point I presume it stops being a criminal enterprise). So I think there's someone abusing government for shitty political gain in this scenario, but it wasn't the Clinton administration. Mrs. Fitts seems to be at that interesting place between very smart and cuckoopants. *She's pretty sure every fast food restaurant and car wash is a drug money laundering scheme, not sure if she thought this before Breaking Bad. The weird thing is that she thinks HUD was a drug money scam since the Iran/Contra years which would mean she's partially responsible? Or is it just to try to make Iran/Contra somehow reflect on Clinton instead of being the stake through the heart of the Reagan myth that it is. It doesn't come together very clearly, and no word of how she dealt with this hugely evil conspiracy once she was in charge of the heart of it again.

By: MCMikeNamara

MCMikeNamara — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:50:57 -0800

Seeing Robert McNamara on the list might be the first time I've been proud we shared a last name.