"A good portion of Deen's oeuvre consists of rather not-nice stuff: spitting, whipping, choking, slapping, etc. "I never understood the whole "choking" thing. Like, when a guy just starts choking a woman during sex. Do females enjoy erotic asphyxiation?
Bugbread: "I don't understand this mindset at all. We all agree that there is a lot of misogyny in society, and that people often internalize that misogyny. But, because being sex positive is a good thing, we pretend that no women can internalize misogyny when it comes to sex? That anything that any women whatsoever like cannot, ipso facto, be misogyny?Internalized misogyny makes a really poor model for understanding the pleasure that the subset of women who enjoy being spit on and slapped derive from dom/sub situations. For starters, it totally fails to explain the nearly equivalently large number of straight and gay men who have equivalent sub fantasies. Regardless, it is indeed a reflection of deeply rooted misogyny for someone, male or female, who is not one of these women and are not speaking for themselves or their own sexual interests but instead trying to explain other women's interests to speak for them without evidence, a clear rational of any kind, or even a basic knowledge of the communities of folks who have those interests.
If I'm not allowed to call slapping women, spitting on them, etc. "misogynistic", because some women like it, and as a man, I shouldn't tell people what they should or shouldn't like, then is it ok if my wife calls it misogynistic? And if she calls it misogynistic, am I allowed to agree with her?"
"A good portion of Deen's oeuvre consists of rather not-nice stuff: spitting, whipping, choking, slapping, etc. "a lot of people came in to say "hell, no, I don't". And then a few others came in to say "I do, though". And then we got into a whole thing about whether it's okay for women to like that or not.
I never understood the whole "choking" thing. Like, when a guy just starts choking a woman during sex. Do females enjoy erotic asphyxiation?
thelonius: I think I remember reading about some doctor testifying (where?) that girls had orgasms at Elvis and Beatles shows.Some (much? most?) of the girls passing out at Elvis shows were hired to perform as a publicity stunt. No doubt the good "doctor" is in on the shill; at most I would say: How would he know?
A longstanding cultural assumption holds that pornographic actresses arrive at porn via a history of emotional damage. After all, nobody who wanted to have sex for a living could possibly be all right in the head, right?posted by Pirate-Bartender-Zombie-Monkey at 4:36 PM on November 27, 2012 [2 favorites]
But a new study, published in the Journal for Sex Research, suggests that the so-called Damaged Goods Hypothesis (or DGH, which posits that "female performers in the adult entertainment industry have higher rates of childhood sexual abuse, psychological problems, and drug use compared to the typical woman") is flat-out wrong. Female porn stars experienced no more abuse than a matched sample, and they were found to enjoy sex more, have higher levels of self-esteem, positive feelings, social support, sexual satisfaction, and spirituality.
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