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	<title>Comments on: &quot;Cats may not vote,&quot; Ms. Viviani observed, &quot;but cat people do.&quot;</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:44:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>&quot;Cats may not vote,&quot; Ms. Viviani observed, &quot;but cat people do.&quot;</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.romancats.com/index_eng.php"&gt;The Torre Argentina Roman Cat Sanctuary&lt;/a&gt; has been taking care of the multitude of felines that haunt the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.panoramicearth.com/306/Rome/Area_Sacra_di_Largo_Argentina&quot;&gt;Largo Argentina archeological site&lt;/a&gt; in Rome since 1995. Their website has a page about its history, videos of their cats, and all the things you find on cat shelter websites. But they also have a blog dedicated to their fight with local authorities. Italian archeological administrators &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/world/europe/rome-drawn-into-tiff-between-preservationists-and-cat-shelter.html?pagewanted=all&quot;&gt;have demanded that the feline sanctuary be evicted&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;[NYT]&lt;/small&gt; from the location of Julius Caesar&apos;s assassination, but the cat shelter is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/1108/Et-tu-Fluffy-Rome-weighs-evicting-cat-shelter&quot;&gt;fighting back&lt;/a&gt;. In the blog of the New York Review of Books, the almost certainly pseudonymous Massimo Gatto points out that the archeological site &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/nov/16/roman-cat-fight/&quot;&gt;is a hodgepodge of actual ruins and bad reconstructions dating back to the Fascist era&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:39:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kattullus</dc:creator>		<category>cats</category>		<category>Rome</category>		<category>Italy</category>		<category>NewYorkReviewofBooks</category>		<category>NYRB</category>		<category>catshelter</category>
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		<title>By: Kattullus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702682</link>	
		<description>Some of the videos are too adorable to bear. While watching &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzQb_EruwBo&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; my eyes became a magnet for every speck of dust in the immediate vicinity.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:44:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: iamkimiam</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702758</link>	
		<description>Aww, squee vote for our Roman cat overlords! 

Too bad Penelope went over the rainbow bridge though. Also, Obama the cat? They can&apos;t be serious. 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;This is the most recent temple, which was circular. Six columns, the original flight of steps and the alter are visible. Behind temples B and C are the remains of a platform built of tufa blocks.&quot;
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A network of concrete pylons, and a glassed-in portico to boot? This sounds like the perfect (must resist punning here) place for a cat sanctuary, actually.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:37:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702760</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58iWAOY23s&quot;&gt;David Attenborough: Pussies Galore&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;Rome is home to over two thousand colonies of cats.&quot;

And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_99e25pmd5c&quot;&gt;this kitten&lt;/a&gt;, once upon a time.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:40:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: corb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702816</link>	
		<description>But if the cats go away, how will I get my kid to visit Roman ruins anymore?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:10:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lalochezia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702823</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t know how these people got their cats stuck in their city.....</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:12:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PeterMcDermott</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702831</link>	
		<description>I was staying in Rome earlier this year in an apartment that was just a block away from the cat sanctuary. Every morning, I&apos;d stop by and watch for a moment on my way out. They definitely are treated like our feline overlords.

I&apos;d always assumed the cats had been squatting the place much longer than since 1995 though. It has that feel of a long standing institution -- and how else does a cat sanctuary capture prime real estate in the centre of a major European city?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:14:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MysticMCJ</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702888</link>	
		<description>What better place for cats to congregate than where Caesar was assassinated?   That seems incredibly appropriate, given the deceptive and murderous nature of cats.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:43:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zengargoyle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702915</link>	
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and how else does a cat sanctuary capture prime real estate in the centre of a major European city?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some sort of advanced mind control technology for sure. I mean they had friggin&apos; &lt;a href=&quot;http://bibliodyssey.blogspot.com/2012/11/early-explosives.html&quot;&gt;Jetpacks&lt;/a&gt; back in 16th century Germany.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:01:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NailsTheCat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4702933</link>	
		<description>Great post! I got an awesome kitteh cat there a long time ago. The cat ladies (and men) do such a wonderful job.

&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/112876/Clawdius-Caesar&quot;&gt;Previous related post.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:07:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mephron</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4703480</link>	
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Last week, Rome&apos;s mayor, Gianni Alemanno, who is up for re-election next year, weighed in on Twitter that he and his cat, Certosino, &quot;are on the side of the cats of Rome. Anyone who touches them will be in trouble.&quot;

(&quot;Cats may not vote,&quot; Ms. Viviani observed, &quot;but cat people do.&quot;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And this is why the archeologists, despite their efforts, may well fail miserably.

If it gets bad enough, a whisper campaign of &apos;the archeologists will then kill the cats once we are gone&apos; will make things go up in flames.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:32:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: qinn</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4704178</link>	
		<description>Hah! Kitay&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Parliamentary_Cats&quot;&gt; revolution.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:48:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4704275</link>	
		<description>There should be no need for such shelters. The person who invents cheap, safe, edible contraceptives for cats, dogs, deer, etc., will be doing everyone a lot of good. We shouldn&apos;t have so many feral cats and dogs, and we shouldn&apos;t have guys running around with guns to control deer populations.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:48:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: iamkimiam</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4704310</link>	
		<description>You can&apos;t be serious.

Although the thought of guys running around with offerings of contraceptive food pellets instead of guns in an attempt to curb the &lt;strike&gt;feral&lt;/strike&gt; wild animal population is somewhat amusing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:28:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4704323</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t mean something crazy like giving each cat a pill every day. I mean something you can put in their food that will make them sterile a long time (or forever, for that matter) and that won&apos;t kill them if they eat too much of it. Put it out periodically (depending on how long it lasts). Any cat that eats it is sterilized. Warn people who want to keep their cats fertile that they need to keep their cats indoors for a few days or risk getting a sterile cat. If cats are forming unwanted colonies, make sure you particularly spread it where the colonies are. Do that for ten or twenty years and there will be pretty much no more unowned cats in town.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:44:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: corb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4704372</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt; Do that for ten or twenty years and there will be pretty much no more unowned cats in town.&lt;/em&gt;

..but man, will you have a lot of rats! I&apos;m not sure the idea of sterilizing animals that don&apos;t actually cause any real problems just because they&apos;re adorable and people think they threaten architecture is a great idea. Feral cats pretty much keep to themselves and kill the abundance of vermin that likes to live in our cities, which is why everyone started keeping cats in the first place.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:19:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rosie M. Banks</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4704395</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;.but man, will you have a lot of rats!&lt;/em&gt;

I seem to recall that happened at least once (somewhere in New Zealand, maybe?) when an entire colony of feral cats was removed or euthanized. Without the kitty predators, the rodent population exploded and all of a sudden there were rats everywhere. Oops! I, for one, would much rather have a bunch of kitties as pest control instead of rat poison.

I am actually in favor of Trap-Neuter-Return policies. Uncontrolled breeding does cause more cats than are sustainable, and it&apos;s breeding cat behavior (yowling, spraying, pooping, fighting) that cause some people to hate feral cats so much. Neutered ferals are, for the most part, quiet and unobtrusive, and, as Corb said, they do keep to themselves.

Maybe the archeologists can start thinking of the cats as working cats - they keep the rodents away from the antiquities and bring in the tourists and their money.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:47:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/122202/Cats-may-not-vote-Ms-Viviani-observed-but-cat-people-do#4704410</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;..but man, will you have a lot of rats!&lt;/em&gt; 

You have lots of rats now. There are 300,000 feral cats in Rome, but how many million rats are in Rome despite all those cats? I wonder how much effect these cats actually have on the rat population, especially compared to the number of birds they kill? Better to encourage owls, hawks, and snakes. Or terriers! Feral terriers!

In any event, if the city actually noticed a significant increase in rats, they obviously could always cut back on the cat contraceptives and keep enough cats around to control vermin in certain areas. It&apos;s not necessarily all or nothing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 06:01:08 -0800</pubDate>
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