Microsoft tells you why Oracle system wont work.
November 12, 2001 12:34 PM Subscribe
Microsoft tells you why Oracle system wont work. Kind of like Burger King telling Colonel Sanders why the whopper works, but honey barbeque wings don't.
To tell the truth the only reason I posted the above link was because I found my own description so funny.
I mean c'mon, can you imagine Bill Gates as the Burger King and Larry Ellison as Colonel Sanders (albeit with a more eastern flair). That is some funny stuff, if I dont say so myself, which I did.
posted by Grok09 at 12:51 PM on November 12, 2001
I mean c'mon, can you imagine Bill Gates as the Burger King and Larry Ellison as Colonel Sanders (albeit with a more eastern flair). That is some funny stuff, if I dont say so myself, which I did.
posted by Grok09 at 12:51 PM on November 12, 2001
I work for a company that rolled out a huge Oracle enterprise system a few months ago. Believe me, it doesn't work...at least not without a bazillion kludges and untold numbers of person hours.
However, that doesn't mean that I think that M$ is any better.
posted by MrBaliHai at 1:00 PM on November 12, 2001
However, that doesn't mean that I think that M$ is any better.
posted by MrBaliHai at 1:00 PM on November 12, 2001
That is some funny stuff, if I don't say so myself, which I did.
accept that, in the article, "Burger King" never suggested a "Whopper". other than that, I'll grant that it was amusing.
posted by srw12 at 1:13 PM on November 12, 2001
accept that, in the article, "Burger King" never suggested a "Whopper". other than that, I'll grant that it was amusing.
posted by srw12 at 1:13 PM on November 12, 2001
It always cracks me up to hear Larry Ellison or Scott McNealy try to position themselves as the "White Knight" in any competition with Microsoft.
To extend the fast-food metaphor:
Q. Is a Big Mac (Oracle) or Barbeque Wings (Sun) better than a Whopper (Microsoft)?
A. None of the above. They all taste like pencil shavings.
There's enough good, GPL'd enterprise software around right now that I'm flabbergasted anyone would spend the dinero on the proprietary wares being offered by the Big Three. True, free stuff has problems too, but at least you can fix it yourself if it breaks.
posted by mrmanley at 1:42 PM on November 12, 2001
To extend the fast-food metaphor:
Q. Is a Big Mac (Oracle) or Barbeque Wings (Sun) better than a Whopper (Microsoft)?
A. None of the above. They all taste like pencil shavings.
There's enough good, GPL'd enterprise software around right now that I'm flabbergasted anyone would spend the dinero on the proprietary wares being offered by the Big Three. True, free stuff has problems too, but at least you can fix it yourself if it breaks.
posted by mrmanley at 1:42 PM on November 12, 2001
SRW:
True true true, though you know the 1/4 lbs all beef pattie, with lettuce, onion, mayo, et al is right around the corner.
PS---Just trying to pad my comment count in case metafilter becomes a pay site overnight.
posted by Grok09 at 1:43 PM on November 12, 2001
True true true, though you know the 1/4 lbs all beef pattie, with lettuce, onion, mayo, et al is right around the corner.
PS---Just trying to pad my comment count in case metafilter becomes a pay site overnight.
posted by Grok09 at 1:43 PM on November 12, 2001
The best part about the article was the author's statement that he'd be reluctant to switch unless he was convinced the system was 99.999 percent reliable. I wonder what his threshold figure for .Net or any other Microsoft venture would be.
posted by joaquim at 2:52 PM on November 12, 2001
posted by joaquim at 2:52 PM on November 12, 2001
joaquim: that 99.999% uptime statement is a number directly from microsoft's win2k advertising. it's not an accident he used it.
posted by eyeballkid at 3:16 PM on November 12, 2001
posted by eyeballkid at 3:16 PM on November 12, 2001
I like your analogy of the competing food chains. While I was reading the article, a column by a local (Delawarean) writer from yesterday morning came to mind as I read the following:
As Oracle Corp. CEO Larry Ellison recently pointed out, any credit card is substantially more sophisticated than most government-issued IDs.
From Al Mascitti's Here's a bright answer to this national ID card issue:
I've got some ideas on how to convince the holdouts - ideas borrowed from Delaware's experts at coaxing people to turn over personal information in exchange for a piece of plastic, our credit card marketers.
Provided you're still opening mail, take a look at the come-ons from the credit-card banks. They don't say "Join or die." They turn strangers into customers with time-honored sales tools: flattery and bribery.
As a first step, we should stop calling it a National Identification Card - sounds too Big Brotherish. We have to make people feel good about themselves for having one. There's already a Smart Card out there, so we'll call this one a Genius Card...
posted by bragadocchio at 5:07 PM on November 12, 2001
As Oracle Corp. CEO Larry Ellison recently pointed out, any credit card is substantially more sophisticated than most government-issued IDs.
From Al Mascitti's Here's a bright answer to this national ID card issue:
I've got some ideas on how to convince the holdouts - ideas borrowed from Delaware's experts at coaxing people to turn over personal information in exchange for a piece of plastic, our credit card marketers.
Provided you're still opening mail, take a look at the come-ons from the credit-card banks. They don't say "Join or die." They turn strangers into customers with time-honored sales tools: flattery and bribery.
As a first step, we should stop calling it a National Identification Card - sounds too Big Brotherish. We have to make people feel good about themselves for having one. There's already a Smart Card out there, so we'll call this one a Genius Card...
posted by bragadocchio at 5:07 PM on November 12, 2001
Sounds less like a MS-Oracle debate than I was expecting. Personally I think it's pretty trashy of Ellison to try and capitalize on disaster to ply his wares on the government. I know he says the software is free, but the gov't would pay through the teeth for support and upgrades. It's interesting how celebrities of media and celebrities of business think that people care about their opinions.
posted by holycola at 7:21 PM on November 12, 2001
posted by holycola at 7:21 PM on November 12, 2001
"It's interesting how celebrities of media and celebrities of business think that people care about their opinions."
Could it be that they think so because people ask them?
I know, screwy thought, but could it be?
posted by yesster at 5:53 AM on November 13, 2001
Could it be that they think so because people ask them?
I know, screwy thought, but could it be?
posted by yesster at 5:53 AM on November 13, 2001
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