Comments on: Type 2

Type 2

heyho — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:50:51 -0800

There are two types of subway riders in the world. Those who wonder, during an idle moment at a station, if they could beat the train to the next stop; and those who attempt to do so. Observe.

By: chimaera

chimaera — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:54:04 -0800

By: 2bucksplus

2bucksplus — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:58:43 -0800

Jean Henri

By: MCMikeNamara

MCMikeNamara — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:59:45 -0800

If you can do this, I think it means your public transit stops are poorly placed. But I'm just an asshole who thinks people complain too much about the north end of Chicago's Red Line when they don't have much of a concept of how different it is from the south end, so this is sort of my dead hobby horse that I continue to beat. Also, I am old and out of shape so just watching that made me exhausted. Did anybody else, when they noticed this was at The Atlantic wonder if Go Pro was the new Scientology?

By: roger ackroyd

roger ackroyd — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:08:54 -0800

That was exhilarating, like a bite-sized Run Lola Run.

By: This_Will_Be_Good

This_Will_Be_Good — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:09:23 -0800

That's nothing -- I've watched the same mariachi band appear in my subway car at least 3 times going downtown on the 1 train in Manhattan, and they're carrying instruments.

By: anaximander

anaximander — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:10:22 -0800

By: Rustic Etruscan

Rustic Etruscan — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:16:16 -0800

If you can do this, I think it means your public transit stops are poorly placed. Well, most people aren't sprinting the streets of Paris, so there's that, but you're probably right. He crossed all of one intersection.

By: The World Famous

The World Famous — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:17:53 -0800

Awesome. Now do Rosslyn to Foggy Bottom.

By: ShutterBun

ShutterBun — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:18:33 -0800

Frog One is on the subway...no wait, he's off...

By: A dead Quaker

A dead Quaker — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:20:29 -0800

Not entirely a new idea (it's been done in Glasgow), but fun to watch!

By: skewed

skewed — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:23:30 -0800

This is the kind of goofy waste-of-time project that made the internet great. But seriously, why are those stops so close to each other?

By: etc.

etc. — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:32:30 -0800

Awesome. Now do Rosslyn to Foggy Bottom. Are we doing requests? Sweet! Pacific to Canal on the N train. Good luck.

By: PinkMoose

PinkMoose — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:34:38 -0800

I bet you could do the St George to Musuem in Toronto.

By: tylerkaraszewski

tylerkaraszewski — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:35:11 -0800

Are we doing requests? Sweet! West Oakland to Embarcadero.

By: kandinski

kandinski — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:35:18 -0800

In Madrid, this stunt could probably have been attempted between the Sol and Sevilla stations, at least before the new Sol station. The oldest lines in the centers of cities often have stations very close to each other. I'm pretty sure this could be shown if we were to plot pairs of adjacent stations over time.

By: zombieflanders

zombieflanders — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:37:15 -0800

Awesome. Now do Rosslyn to Foggy Bottom. I've always wondered about the Metro Center-Gallery Place one myself. I mean, you can see the next station through the tunnel! Apparently WMATA agrees and wants to put in a footpath between the two as well, although the estimated date is sometime by...2040.

By: mannequito

mannequito — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:37:42 -0800

skewed: "But seriously, why are those stops so close to each other?" Looks like these 2 stops form a connector for about 4 different subway lines.

By: Rustic Etruscan

Rustic Etruscan — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:37:44 -0800

I'm sure you could do this, if you really bolted, between Back Bay Green Line stops in Boston. But I have no sense of time or distance, so I'm not a good judge of these things.

By: adamg

adamg — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:41:24 -0800

Man beating a Green Line trolley on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston - while dressed as a hamburger.

By: Pruitt-Igoe

Pruitt-Igoe — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:43:16 -0800

Could probably do this in Chicago without setting foot outside.

By: straw

straw — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:46:40 -0800

I used to beat the SF Muni under Market Street from the Civic Center stop to the Embarcadero stop all the time. It was nice when I got out of the office on 7th street in time to take the underground streetcar, but if I was pressed for time to make the ferry I could do it on foot quite a bit faster.

By: Rustic Etruscan

Rustic Etruscan — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:47:19 -0800

Man beating a Green Line trolley on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston - while dressed as a hamburger. Ah, my alma mater.

By: zippy

zippy — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:53:38 -0800

Ah, my alma mater. Hamburger U?

By: Navelgazer

Navelgazer — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:57:59 -0800

There are a lot of spots in Manhattan where this would be very feasible, most notably 3rd Ave to Union Station on the L train and just about anything on the 6 (though the 6 is very efficient, to it's credit. I remember around 10 years ago when the Daily News did a series of races like this between the 6 local train and the 4/5 express train and found the 6 to be faster. In Brooklyn, you could do it pretty easily from Clark St. to Borough Hall if it weren't for the damned elevators at Clark.

By: shakespeherian

shakespeherian — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 17:58:46 -0800

But I'm just an asshole who thinks people complain too much about the north end of Chicago's Red Line when they don't have much of a concept of how different it is from the south end, so this is sort of my dead hobby horse that I continue to beat. Are you talking about how the Red Line stops like every single block in Ravenswood?

By: heyho

heyho — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:02:11 -0800

This is a lot like walking around the museum listening to people... "Oh, I could paint that." Do it, prove it, and please post it to MeFi. And while you're at it, please wipe out like that guy did because that was my [+] part. I mean don't hurt yourself just to please me, but it adds a certain something to the challenge, I feel.

By: misterbee

misterbee — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:06:02 -0800

Apparently my brother-in-law pulled off something similar back in the 1970s in suburban Sydney. Citybound train pulled into Wiley Park station, and on a whim he leapt from the carriage and sprinted to Lakemba station, where he re-boarded. About a kilometre between the 2 stations.

By: chococat

chococat — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:10:30 -0800

He can run through as many Metro stations as he wants but he will never escape the smell of human pee.

By: RonButNotStupid

RonButNotStupid — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:14:05 -0800

I'm sure you could do this, if you really bolted, between Back Bay Green Line stops in Boston. I came close to doing this once between Park Street and Downtown Crossing via the Winter Street Concourse. Without even trying I managed to make it to within sight of the same Red Line train just as its doors closed. I imagine if there's enough people at boarding/departing at both shots, you probably have a fairly decent chance of making it.

By: ocschwar

ocschwar — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:15:58 -0800

But I'm just an asshole who thinks people complain too much about the north end of Chicago's Red Line when they don't have much of a concept of how different it is from the south end, so this is sort of my dead hobby horse that I continue to beat. What drives me insane is that Chicago can always bring back the leapfrog system to solve this problem. These stations are close together. Bring back the A&B system

By: ocschwar

ocschwar — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:17:57 -0800

Man beating a Green Line trolley on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston - while dressed as a hamburger . If Boston doesn't give the Green Line traffic light priority, tehre should be riots. (Yeah, I'm making my todo list for when I become the nation's enlightened despot.)

By: RonButNotStupid

RonButNotStupid — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:29:30 -0800

I don't know whether it counts because it's a glorified bus that the MBTA pretends is equivalent to the other rapid transit lines, but according to possible original research on Wikipedia you can do one better on the Silver Line: The inbound route makes a stop above ground at the entrance to the World Trade Center stop, proceeds to Silver Line Way, and then goes underground for a second stop at the World Trade Center. If the headway between buses is as close as seven minutes, it is faster for travelers in the rear bus to disembark at the above-ground WTC stop, walk down the stairs, and then board the bus that used to be in front of them than to remain on the bus they started on
I try to limit my exposure to the Silver Line, so I have no idea if this is possible.

By: DU

DU — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:32:53 -0800

If you can do this, I think it means your public transit stops are poorly placed. Or that speed is not the point of public transit. It's certainly not why I use it.

By: pompomtom

pompomtom — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:36:18 -0800

I don't know about faster, but I used to find it much more pleasant to stroll across the river from London Bridge to Bank, while the accepted wisdom seems to be that packing in like a sardine and huffing armpit juice is somehow better than walking outside.

By: djb

djb — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:40:56 -0800

New York version

By: arcticseal

arcticseal — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:44:16 -0800

We look forward to seeing imitators splattered all over the street.

By: ocherdraco

ocherdraco — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:46:02 -0800

You could easily do this between Beverly Road and Cortelyou Road on the Q in Brooklyn. I'm not sure there's even a full train length between the stations.

By: greenland

greenland — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:47:02 -0800

Now I'm curious if I could beat the F train to Prospect Park if we both start off from Jay St. I bet that's doable. The train would have the advantage of speed but I'd have a straight route.

By: en forme de poire

en forme de poire — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:53:48 -0800

How about Exchange Place to WTC? (It could be a triathlon!)

By: zippy

zippy — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:17:04 -0800

What's the over/under on whether Montgomery to Powell St BART is doable?

By: Skwirl

Skwirl — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:20:05 -0800

Cute, but could we not make this a "thing"? Subways are security paranoid enough without dudes wearing strange devices running through turnstiles for lulz. Remember? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-23-london_x.htm

By: This_Will_Be_Good

This_Will_Be_Good — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:20:23 -0800

Now I'm trying to think of all sorts of possible routes on the NYC subway where one could try this. There seem to be two possibilities super short routes, or odd routes (places where there are big turns for the trains or necessary slow-downs). For any of them the placement of the exits is critical, since certain routes have shallow cut and cover tunnels with long platforms allowing for easy up and outs. Short Route: 14th St. to 18th St. on the 1 Short Route: Franklin St. to Canal St. on the 1 Short Route: Vernon Jackson to Hunter's Point on the 7 Short Route: 21st to Court Sq. on the G, the G goes slow here going into its last stop. Also, because it is the last stop, you will definitely catch it. Odd Route: Park Place to Chambers on the 2/3. That turn might give you a bit of an advantage. Odd Route: 50th St to 7th Ave on the E (getting out of the Times Sq Stn would probably hinder that one. Odd Route (bonus for 2 stops): Court Sq. to 33 St. on the 7. You sprint up Thomson Ave while the train makes a big long curve through Queensboro Plaza first. Odd route: City Hall to City Hall on the 6. You run out, and then run back in while the train loops around in the old City Hall station. It's a fun mental exercise, but the actual act looks like you are asking to be plowed over by a cab as you sprint across the street with your multi-cam motorcycle helmet situation weighing down your dome.

By: zippy

zippy — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:26:29 -0800

Cute, but could we not make this a "thing"? The London Police made a tragic error in 2005. It would be a shame if we couldn't breathe a bit easier seven or eight years later.

By: Etrigan

Etrigan — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:31:55 -0800

If you can do this, I think it means your public transit stops are poorly placed. Before deciding on that, ask how busy each of them is: if the alternative is twice as many people flooding out of a single stop and half of them trying to cross a busy street, I'm okay with having two stops fairly near each other.

By: ssg

ssg — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:33:36 -0800

I bet you could take this to the next level and run three stations in Vancouver where the Skytrain (actually underground at this point) curves around in a kind of hook: Stadium-Chinatown to Waterfront. Seven blocks and you would have 4 minutes. Unfortunately, Waterfront is the end of the line, so it would be even sillier. Maybe on the first train of the morning, so there isn't any traffic.

By: Skwirl

Skwirl — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:47:33 -0800

Fine. You don't care about security. But are we also forgetting the moral of this ditty: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/weirdnewsvideo/9706822/Train-safety-cartoon-Dumb-Ways-to-Die-becomes-a-online-hit.html I'm trying to get to work. Get off my lawn.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:52:04 -0800

21st to Court Sq. on the G, the G goes slow here going into its last stop. Also, because it is the last stop, you will definitely catch it. That's part of my regular route to work! I hereby vow that I shall try this.

By: zachlipton

zachlipton — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:12:10 -0800

In San Francisco, I've done an odd variant where I've gotten off the Muni Metro at Civic Center, ran upstairs and then back down again to BART, taken it to Embarcadero, ran upstairs and back down again, and gotten on Muni again to go down to 4th st, beating my original Muni train by a good amount. This says more about munifail than anything else. The Examiner has done whole series' on racing transit vehicles on foot.

By: empath

empath — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:14:37 -0800

Awesome. Now do Rosslyn to Foggy Bottom. Is this an Iron Man competition now?

By: dobbs

dobbs — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:17:41 -0800

I bet you could do the St George to Musuem in Toronto. Assuming no delays due to TTC nonsense, I say this can't be done anywhere in Toronto. You could maybe do it by skipping a stop: St. Andrew to King.

By: Lexica

Lexica — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:20:37 -0800

Erf. Trying to watch that split-screen video just makes my brain start flailing about and spinning in circles. I may have been among the first of the MTV generation (11 when it debuted), but I feel old…

By: mattoxic

mattoxic — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:24:05 -0800

You could try doing this in Melbourne, but the new billion dollar ticketing system might not let you through the barrier.

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:25:46 -0800

In Chicago we have three speeds of Metra riders. Slow. Sloooow-er and WHAT THE F@CK!??

By: pompomtom

pompomtom — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:45:05 -0800

ticketing system might not let you through the barrier. Just wave something greenish at the gumby, and say 'ticket is shitfucked, again'. They'll sigh and let you through.

By: 3200

3200 — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:49:03 -0800

Ha! I did this once in Chicago between the Jackson and Harrison stops on the Red Line. It's like...I don't know, a block and a half? Not very far. This guys' was much...MUCH...more impressive.

By: Homeboy Trouble

Homeboy Trouble — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 20:52:27 -0800

Not sure if this could be done in Calgary; downtown where the stops are close, the lights are synchronized so if the train is stopped, the cross streets perpendicular to the track have a green light. (Actually, now that I think of it, at 2 AM with no traffic, you could probably do Centre St to City Hall.) By bike, it could be done in two ways, I reckon: Bridgeland/Memorial to Downtown West once the new bridge is up, taking advantage of the grade separated pathway. And probably from Lions Park to Sunnyside, again assuming modest traffic.

By: Zaximus

Zaximus — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:18:05 -0800

I've done this on the Chicago Red Line too, but it's nowhere near this intense. There's nothing stopping you from running along the platform between Jackson and Monroe, and if you're just watching your train pull away, it sure beats waiting.

By: davejay

davejay — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:20:10 -0800

The A/B system sucked in Chicago during cold days, because they ran the same number of trains and so you could potentially be outside much, much longer. There was nothing worse than waiting on the Addison stop having *just* missed your train, so you have to wait for the next one to go by before your train arrived again, then get off at an A/B stop and wait outside again for the train that would let you off at your final stop. Gah. Maybe if they did it only when the temperature was above freezing. The north side of the Red Line, though? THat was great. IT seemed like I could live in any apartment anywhere near the Red Line and there was a stop within walking distance during sub-zero weather. That's worth some extra wait time any day of the week. not being able to fit on the train and having to wait for another one, not so much.

By: Pruitt-Igoe

Pruitt-Igoe — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:29:41 -0800

downtown where the stops are close, the lights are synchronized so if the train is stopped, the cross streets perpendicular to the track have a green light. I have a vague memory of running from the old 10th Street station to the old 8th Street station in the 90s, when there was no synchronization of the lights on 7th Avenue. And less traffic. Could probably have done 3rd Street East to Olympic Plaza as well. (Neither of those stations exist today) And probably from Lions Park to Sunnyside I would be seriously impressed by that!

By: Pruitt-Igoe

Pruitt-Igoe — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:33:41 -0800

On second thought, that actually probably is doable on a bike. It's downhill the whole way. I mean, not that I could do it.

By: JohnnyGunn

JohnnyGunn — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:04:51 -0800

Wall Street to Bowling Green is totally doable.

By: billyfleetwood

billyfleetwood — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:13:57 -0800

I can't remember exact stations, but there are a few spots on the L line where you can look down the track and see the next station. Like it's barely more a train length. 21st to Court Sq. on the G, the G goes slow here going into its last stop. Also, because it is the last stop, you will definitely catch it. The problem with Court Sq. is choosing your entrance wisely.

By: Navelgazer

Navelgazer — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:54:57 -0800

I can't remember exact stations, but there are a few spots on the L line where you can look down the track and see the next station. Like it's barely more a train length. This is why I was saying 3rd Ave to Union Square. I seriously think this is maybe the most doable in Manhattan, at least. The 3rd Ave exit is simple and spits you directly where you want to go, and there are a range of Union Square entrances one could experiment with for fastest reboarding. Also, there's only one or two intersections to navigate.

By: Decani

Decani — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:49:53 -0800

Although there are a number of stations that are fairly close together in central London I think this would be tough because of their depth. Also because of the damned tourists who insist on standing on the left side of the escalators. A machete would help.

By: the cydonian

the cydonian — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:59:36 -0800

And here I thought it was going to be someone trying to beat it between Covent Garden and Leicester Square on the Picadilly Line. That would be an interesting challenge, the depth of the stations notwithstanding. Barbican to Mansion House: 14 minutes by walk and about 15 minutes by the Circle line. Running, and jumping over confused tourists on escalators might improve speeds. :)

By: MuffinMan

MuffinMan — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:07:22 -0800

Edgware Rd to Paddington might be doable. Particularly if the train does what it often does at Edgware Rd and just sit there for 10 minutes.

By: iviken

iviken — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:47:05 -0800

Not entirely a new idea (it's been done in Glasgow) Five years later: "We are the second people in the World to complete this challenge! And we did it on the first attempt as well, we're rather proud of ourselves."

By: fraula

fraula — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:37:38 -0800

My only experience with an underground train system is the one in London, so I watched this entire video with the expectation that he was going to get tackled by police officers and arrested at any minute. I started laughing out loud here at the office slow day when I saw him jump out to cross the busy street... right next to a cop car. that didn't stop or say anything to him. Welcome to France. (Notice he had a spotter. Parisian drivers are crazy. As a point of comparison: they're similarly insane here in Nice, and my friend in Perth warned me before going there, that Perth drivers were insane. I found Perth somewhat tame; more block-headed impatience than outright murder potential. In Paris and Nice: "what are you talking about red light I'm driving too fast to see the lights and my swerving blocks them anyway oops gotta get on the sidewalk here to pass the lazy Twingo in front of me in this one-lane street but no biggy there's only one pedestrian coming my way".) Also chuckled at the blasé expressions of all the people he zoomed past, orange t-shirt in winter among the Parisian winter uniform of black wool coats. As for the stations, yeah, those two are closer together than most. One point of the Paris metro, though, is that you never find yourself more than a 10-minute walk from a station. It's true, and very practical.

By: generichuman

generichuman — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:06:57 -0800

I could see this being done on the DLR, off at West India Quay, and an all out sprint to Heron Quay. With the short dwell time at Canary Wharf, it could be totally doable. With enough dwell, you might even make it a stop further.

By: elgilito

elgilito — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:59:31 -0800

According the French Wikipedia, the Station Cluny - La Sorbonne was opened in 1930 and then closed in 1939 because it was too close to the other stations. It was one the many ghost stations of the Paris Métro, a time capsule from WWII. It was reopened in 1988 in order to provide a connection with other metro and RER lines. So it's indeed too close to Odéon though nobody's complaining since both stations are in a very crowded area full of students, shoppers, tourists and moviegoers.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:13:28 -0800

This is why I was saying 3rd Ave to Union Square. Actually, I wonder if 3rd to 1st might be easier. Less of a crowd, and it's only two long blocks.

By: autopilot

autopilot — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:29:39 -0800

etc., I would regularly beat the train from Union Square to Atlantic/Pacific on my bike (via the Manhattan bridge). Drop of my fellow traveler at the station, hop on my bike and meet her at the 4th and Pacific street exit on the other end. The Q was tough, but doable, while the N and the R were trivial to beat -- I could get a coffee at NuNu or Linger while waiting in Brooklyn.

By: octothorpe

octothorpe — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:42:13 -0800

I've had to outrun the PAT bus here from one stop to the next when the asshole driver slams the door in my face and drives off. Fortunately traffic moves so slow here that outrunning it isn't too hard.

By: Michael Roberts

Michael Roberts — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:10:19 -0800

Switching from Metro line 2 to 3 or vice versa these days in Budapest, I often cut a couple of stations off and walk along two blocks of Muzéum Körut rather than brave the Habitrail crowd at the usual connection in Deák Tér. I think I lose five minutes, but it's worth it. I haven't tried it at speed like this guy, though. Amazing that he had to stop and pay - and still made it.

By: edgeways

edgeways — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:48:28 -0800

man.. I thought this was going to be a Kontroll "rail running" imitation.

By: dry white toast

dry white toast — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:44:41 -0800

I say this can't be done anywhere in Toronto. You could maybe do it by skipping a stop: St. Andrew to King. Actually I think St. George to Museum is feasible. What you need is quick access points from platform to street but not a ridiculously fast platform-to-platform time for the train (so Osgoode to St. Andrew wouldn't work). Because the Spadina line has to make a long slowish turn between the two stations, and the entrances are at the right ends of the platform, I can see it. Other option would be the the Shuter St. exit of Queen Station to Dundas (northbound only), since its only one block. I'm thinking way harder than I should be about testing this (with someone that can run faster than a sleepy panda, unlike myself).

By: dry white toast

dry white toast — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:49:31 -0800

But seriously, why are those stops so close to each other? Because in the dead center of cities, trip destinations and connections to other lines are so dense that in rush hour, there's enough passenger volume that a higher number of access points and platforms are required to avoid heavy congestion in the stations.

By: snottydick

snottydick — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:30:44 -0800

You could probably do this on the Market-Frankford El line all through Center City Philadelphia, and you don't even have to pop your head above ground. 15th St. to 13th St. and 13th St. to11th St. would be your best bets.

By: Bektashi

Bektashi — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:00:16 -0800

man.. I thought this was going to be a Kontroll "rail running" imitation. Me too. But then I think about that scene every time I ride the subway.

By: juiceCake

juiceCake — Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:51:56 -0800

What about the third and fourth types of subway rider? Those who never wonder, during an idle moment, if they beat the train to the next stop and those who having never wondered that, never attempt to.

By: pompomtom

pompomtom — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:52:57 -0800

I am concerned for the safety those who are in the third group, but not the fourth.