But the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:This is not true, since we do have the VA health care system.
Nothing. No pension, no health care, and no protection for himself or his family.
But the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:This is not true, since we do have the VA health care system.
Nothing. No pension, no health care, and no protection for himself or his family.
Like many vets, he will have to wait at least eight months to have his disability claims adjudicated. Or even longer. The average wait time nationally is more than nine months, according to the Center for Investigative Reporting.Also, VA health care wouldn't cover his kids anyway.
But he had already decided this would be his last deployment, his SEAL Team 6 sayonara.posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:36 AM on February 11 [2 favorites]
"I wanted to see my children graduate and get married." He hoped to be able to sleep through the night for the first time in years. "I was burned out," he says. "And I realized that when I stopped getting an adrenaline rush from gunfights, it was time to go."
ninebelow: So maybe The Shooter has some marketable skills beyond security, just like those guys did.Glad you know so much more about The Shooter's chances than either the reporter who spent all that time with him, and in fact more than The Shooter does about himself.
Out of the hundreds of thousands of veterans mentioned, he must be one of the best equipped for another career. The article seems to be suggesting that the tragedy here is that the Shooter hasn't been instantly offered a job as an investment banker.
forkisbetter: If you check the VA website for medical benefits it lists some of the items that make one qualify for benefits, which often extend to spouses and dependents under TRICARE.If you read the article you'll see that he no longer qualifies under TRICARE.
The military isn't stupid.Hahahahahaha, good one.
EXAMPLE: I want a good paying, daytime job so I can continue my education.
This job goal is not specific enough to suggest where to start looking for this kind of employment. Your job search will not be focused. You may find a job, but it will probably not be the most appropriate one.
EXAMPLE: I want a job in warehousing because I already have military experience doing this type of work. ... The position must pay at least $7.00 per hour and have a minimum of pressure so I can concentrate on my studies.
The only special forces people I ever met (not SEALs, but) were just quiet dudes in their early 30's who looked like they ran and swam a lot.You're wrong, generally speaking. Special Operations in general selects for middle height and middle weight, because of the physical demands. Larger people tend to rack up stress fractures and injuries at a higher rate, and smaller people tend to have trouble with pack and rack weight.
Sorry, but that doesn't have the ring of truth to it.
I want a job in warehousing because I already have military experience doing this type of work. It needs to be part-time and at night so I can use my military education fund to attend school during the day which will enable me to change my career. The position must pay at least $7.00 per hour and have a minimum of pressure so I can concentrate on my studies.I'm sure that $7 an hour will really put you into a secure financial state.
corb: IAmBroom, if I remember correctly, you're a vet? In which case, you should know that there is no excuse, ever, for asking that bullshit "How many people did you kill?Nope, you remember incorrectly.
The fact that you even tried to raise it suggests that your temper may be flaring way too high to be participating in this thread right now.
Check yourself.
"In an interview, Col. Tim Nye, spokesman for the U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., said the Shooter was treated according to military regulations. He did not deserve a pension, Nye said, because he served for 16 years, not the required 20.In bureaucratic terms, that's "We hope this asshole fucks off and dies." That's not something that would be said of an ex-colleague for whom people were trying their best to help. That is a Pilate washing his hands of the matter.
“Those are the rules that are in place, and he was well aware of those,” Nye said. “Clearly, the best of the best, he has done everything that was asked of him and more – but that’s what he signed up to do.”
“Concerning recent writing and reporting on ‘The Shooter’ and his alleged situation, this former SEAL made a deliberate and informed decision to leave the NAVY several years short of Retirement status,” Pybus said. “Months ahead of his separation, he was counseled on status and benefits, and provided with options to continue his career until Retirement eligible. Claims to the contrary in these matters are false.”posted by lullaby at 6:47 PM on February 14 [1 favorite]
Even so, Pybus adds, “Naval Special Warfare and the Navy are prepared to help this former service member address health or transition issues, as we would with other former members.”
Lt. Cmdr. David McKinney, a spokesman for Naval Speical Warfare Command, would not confirm if the subject of the Esquire article was indeed the SEAL who killed bin Laden.
Pybus had more strong words to say in the wake of the Esquire article.
“I am very disappointed with the few people who use their SEAL cachet for self-serving purposes, particularly through falsehoods and certainly when the safety and security of themselves and their active-duty teammates and families are put at risk,” he said. “Most of our former or retired NSW members find a suitable second career without compromising the ideals of their active service — honor, courage and commitment. Most of our veterans with physical or mental health issues get some degree of health care, and we are actively pursuing even better options in this realm. I think we’re doing the things that you would expect from a dedicated, disciplined and trusted force.”
USMCJ Article 85In that the consequences range up to execution, no, we agree that it indeed may not be beneficial. I'm not entirely sure what you imagine 'forcing' would entail if not killing someone if they do leave.
Desertion
Maximum punishment.
(1) Completed or attempted desertion with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.
(2) Other cases of completed or attempted desertion.
(a) Terminated by apprehension. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 3 years.
(b) Terminated otherwise. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.
(3) In time of war. Death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
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So maybe The Shooter has some marketable skills beyond security, just like those guys did.
posted by notyou at 7:48 AM on February 11 [4 favorites]