The device that shoots the smoke up is this awesome, Jules Verne-looking stove. All of the paper ballots along with a chemical (to produce either black or white smoke) are placed in it and burned, alerting the world where the College of Cardinals is at in the voting.
They may be named for birds, but the Cardinals may not tweet about the conclave under threat of excommunication.
Any baptized Catholic male is eligible
No way it's gonna be a Cardinal this time. I can't see that streak lasting.
But as history has shown, relying on the burning of ballots to communicate with the world sometimes puts the men in the red hats in a gray area.
There has been white smoke that looked dark and black smoke that wasn't dark enough and plenty of other technical problems that seem to clash with the meticulous ritual that accompanies the election of a pontiff.
"Even with all this planning, they still can't get it right," said Christopher Bellitto, a professor of history at Kean University in New Jersey who has written books on Catholicism.
The public assumption is that the Vatican must use smoke signals because that's what has been done since the time of Peter. Not so, said Frederic Baumgartner, author of "Behind Locked Doors: A History of the Papal Elections."
For centuries, bells or cannons were used to spread the news. It wasn't until the 1800s that the faithful gathered in the piazza every day began to look to the chimney for an indication that a vote had taken place; the first election where the cardinals used two different types of smoke to announce the outcome didn't happen until 1903, Baumgartner said.
If I were the cardinals, I'd make sure to hash the whole thing out on the first vote, then kick back and relax for a few days with some fine wines, sending out a black puff once every 24 hours. It could be a free holiday! I mean, imagine. You and your fellow Conclavers could just spend a week pissed, staring in slack-jawed wonder at the Sistine ceiling, and arsing about like Kevin Spacey in that episode of House of Cards where he goes back to open the library at his old military college, then send out a white puff next Tuesday, job done, and none of us lot would be any the wiser.
88. After his acceptance, the person elected, if he has already received episcopal ordination, is immediately Bishop of the Church of Rome, true Pope and Head of the College of Bishops. He thus acquires and can exercise full and supreme power over the universal Church.
If the person elected is not already a Bishop, he shall immediately be ordained Bishop.
Richard Dawkins (UK) 666:1
Sys Rq: "Man, they really need to fancy up that chimney a bunch. It's the centrepiece of the friggin' Vatican!"
[Cathedral]: The chief church of a diocese, in which the bishop has his throne (cathedra) and close to which is his residence; it is, properly speaking, the bishop's church, wherein he presides, teaches, and conducts worship for the whole Christian community.
Hence the juridical character or standing of the cathedral does not depend on the form, dimensions, or magnificence of the edifice, since, without undergoing any change a church may become a cathedral, especially when a new diocese is founded. What properly constitutes a cathedral is its assignment by competent authority as the residence of the bishop in his hierarchical capacity, and the principal church of a diocese is naturally best adapted to this purpose. Such official designation is known as canonical erection and necessarily accompanies the formation of a new diocese.
Here is a list of all of the Papal conclaves in the last two hundred years along with their days of duration and for most of them the number of ballots cast.
2005 (Apr 18-19) (2 days) After 4 ballots
1978 (Oct 14-16) (3 days) 8 ballots
1978 (Aug 25-26) (2 days) 4 ballots
1963 (Jun 19-21)(3 days) 6 ballots
1958 (Oct 25-28)(4 days) 11 ballots
1939 (Mar 1-2)(2 days) 3 ballots
1922 (Feb 2-6 1922)(5 days) 14 ballots
1914 (Aug 31-Sep 3) (4 days) 10 ballots
1903 (Jul 31-Aug 4)(5 days) 7 ballots
1878 (Feb 18-20) (3 days) 3 ballots
1846 (Jun 14-16) (3 days) 4 ballots
1830-31 (Dec 14-Feb 2)(50 days) 83 ballots
1823 (Sep 2-28)(26 days)
1799-1800 (Nov 30, 1799- Mar 14, 1800) (105 days)
As you can see the historical average of papal conclaves in the past 200 years is about 2-3 days. In the 19th century papal elections could be quite drawn out owing to the political climate of the time and certain obsolete elements such as the Holy Roman/Austrian Emperor using their veto power against the election of one of the few available compromise candidates. The veto power of secular leaders was abolished by St. pope Pius X after his election in the 1903 conclave.
Beginning with the Conclave in 2005, in order to better distinguish the colour of the “fumate” (smoke signalling the election or non-election of a pontiff), a secondary apparatus is used to generate the smoke in addition to the traditional stove in which the Cardinal electors' ballots are burned. This device stands next to the ballot-burning stove and has a compartment where, according to the results of the vote, different coloured-smoke generating compounds can be mixed. The result is requested by means of an electronic control panel and lasts for several minutes while the ballots are burning in the other stove.
For a black “fumata” the chemical compound is made of potassium perchlorate, anthracene, and sulphur. The white “fumata” is a mixture of potassium chlorate, lactose, and rosin. The rosin is a natural amber resin obtained from conifers. Prior to 2005 the black smoke was obtained by using smoke black or pitch and the white smoke by using wet straw.
The stove-pipes of the stove and the smoke-producing device join up and exit the roof of the Sistine Chapel as one pipe leading to the chimney installed on the ridge of the roof, which is visible from St. Peter's Square. To improve the airflow the pipe is pre-heated by electrical resistance and it also has a backup fan.
Every other cardinal is dressed, you know, like a cardinal - red and white. Not Cardinal Cleemis. Oh no. Cardinal Cleemis is wearing a full black velvet gold embroidered robe with a hood, as befits the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church. So the line looks like this: Cardinal, Cardinal, Cardinal, Cardinal, Cardinal, Cardinal, Dumbledore, Cardinal, Cardinal, Cardinal....
For purposes of context, the 2005 election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger – tipped by many as the "front-runner" – as Benedict XVI took four ballots; the October 1978 result that saw Karol Wojtyla become John Paul II took eight ballots.
The New York Times is saying they're chanting “Habemus papam!” which means "we have a pope".
Wonder if one day people will hear 'habemus mamam!'
Not just Pope Francis, but Pope Francis I. Who was it upthread who wanted novelty in a papal name?
Couldn't prevent Argentina from becoming the first Latin American country to legalize same-sex marriage or stop its president, Cristina Fernandez, from promoting free contraception and artificial insemination. When Bergoglio argued that gay adoptions discriminate against children, Fernandez compared his tone to "medieval times and the Inquisition.
... Critics accuse him of failing to stand up publicly against the country's military dictatorship from 1976-1983, when victims and their relatives often brought first-hand accounts of torture, death and kidnappings."
Bergoglio began “I write these lines to each of you who are in the four monasteries of Buenos Aires. The people of Argentina will face in the coming weeks, a situation whose outcome may seriously injure the family. This is the bill on marriage for same sex. “
Then he added, “At stake are the lives of many children who are discriminated against in advance by depriving them of human growth that God wanted to given with a father and a mother. At stake is a total rejection of the law of God, engraved in our hearts as well”.
The Archbishop stated flatly “we are not naive: it is not just a political struggle, it is a destructive attempt to God’s plan. It is not just a bill (this is only the instrument) but a ‘move’ from the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”
"For decades the Catholic hierarchy has been in need of desperate reform. In his life, Jesus condemned gays zero times. In Pope Benedict's short time in the papacy, he made a priority of condemning gay people routinely. This, in spite of the fact, that the Catholic hierarchy had been in collusion to cover up the widespread abuse of children within its care. We hope this Pope will trade in his red shoes for a pair of sandals and spend a lot less time condemning and a lot more time foot-washing."*
At least two cases directly involved Bergoglio. One examined the torture of two of his Jesuit priests – Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics – who were kidnapped in 1976 from the slums where they advocated liberation theology. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.
Both men were freed after Bergoglio took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them – including persuading dictator Jorge Videla's family priest to call in sick so that he could say Mass in the junta leader's home, where he privately appealed for mercy. His intervention likely saved their lives, but Bergoglio never shared the details until Rubin interviewed him for the 2010 biography.
Bergoglio – who ran Argentina's Jesuit order during the dictatorship – told Rubin that he regularly hid people on church property during the dictatorship, and once gave his identity papers to a man with similar features, enabling him to escape across the border. But all this was done in secret, at a time when church leaders publicly endorsed the junta and called on Catholics to restore their "love for country" despite the terror in the streets.
Rubin said failing to challenge the dictators was simply pragmatic at a time when so many people were getting killed, and attributed Bergoglio's later reluctance to share his side of the story as a reflection of his humility.
But Bregman said Bergoglio's own statements proved church officials knew from early on that the junta was torturing and killing its citizens, and yet publicly endorsed the dictators. "The dictatorship could not have operated this way without this key support," she said.
"On behalf of the American people, Michelle and I offer our warm wishes to His Holiness Pope Francis as he ascends to the Chair of Saint Peter and begins his papacy. As a champion of the poor and the most vulnerable among us, he carries forth the message of love and compassion that has inspired the world for more than two thousand years—that in each other we see the face of God. As the first pope from the Americas, his selection also speaks to the strength and vitality of a region that is increasingly shaping our world, and alongside millions of Hispanic Americans, those of us in the United States share the joy of this historic day. Just as I appreciated our work with Pope Benedict XVI, I look forward to working with His Holiness to advance peace, security and dignity for our fellow human beings, regardless of their faith. We join with people around the world in offering our prayers for the Holy Father as he begins the sacred work of leading the Catholic Church in our modern world."
So that's it? The reason Pope Hitler Youth resigned is swept under the rug just like that?
He could conceivably refocus Catholic Churches to spend (...) less time vilifying and attacking non-Catholics
Lombardi also said that Francis chose his name to honor St. Francis of Assisi, the mystical 13th-century founder of the Franciscan order, rather than St. Francis Xavier, one of the first members of the new pope's own Jesuit order. This is remarkable because the Franciscans and the Jesuits have a long, sometimes bitter rivalry. (Google "Jesuit jokes" for a flavor of the antagonism.)
"By choosing the name of the founder of his community's traditional rivals," says Rocco Palmo at Whispers in the Loggia, Pope Francis "has signaled three things: His desire to be a force of unity in a polarized fold, a heart for the poor, and his intent to 'repair God's house, which has fallen into ruin'... that is, to rebuild the church" — a call St. Francis of Assisi heard while praying before a crucifix.
As if 'lifting up the poor' isn't a major component of Catholic social teaching? I'm sure many people will appreciate being told that. Almost everything you disagree with politically in the Catholic Church goes on above the parish level. Yes, my best friend resigned from a parish after an offensive homily. But she'd be pretty damn insulted that you think her religious practice is about vilifying other people (including me, btw--some of the offensive stuff in that homily was about a group I am a member of).
Third, professing: we can walk as much we want, we can build many things, but if we do not confess Jesus Christ, nothing will avail. We will become a pitiful NGO, but not the Church, the Bride of Christ. When one does not walk, one stalls. When one does not build on solid rocks, what happens? What happens is what happens to children on the beach when they make sandcastles: everything collapses, it is without consistency. When one does not profess Jesus Christ - I recall the phrase of Leon Bloy – “Whoever does not pray to God, prays to the devil.” When one does not profess Jesus Christ, one professes the worldliness of the devil.
But here in the US, the Catholic Church has made it its mission to get secular legislation passed that ban all those things [gays, adoption or abortion].
On the other hand, ideological rejection of God and an atheism of indifference, oblivious to the Creator and at risk of becoming equally oblivious to human values, constitute some of the chief obstacles to development today. A humanism which excludes God is an inhuman humanism. Only a humanism open to the Absolute can guide us in the promotion and building of forms of social and civic life — structures, institutions, culture and ethos — without exposing us to the risk of becoming ensnared by the fashions of the moment.
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