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(⌐■_■)Good, her thoughts are known and beyond having Prussian Blue open for her, her career is over.Last I heard, Prussian Blue had repented their ways. Given that they were little kids inculcated by their white supremacist mother, I'm inclined to forgive them.
Did she consider having children?and she ends it all up with this :
Shocked takes a deep breath. “That was the premise for the marriage, to start a family. But as a young firebrand, I made a very radical decision.” At age 22, she got her tubes tied—largely for political reasons. “I knew there was going to come a time in my life where I would want to speak vehemently about a woman’s right to choose without having it turned back on me, saying you’re acting out of guilt and shame because you had an abortion. I made the ultimate sacrifice.”
She later tried to get the surgery reversed, without success. After countless rounds of unsuccessful in vitro fertilization, she deeply regrets her choice—although she finds solace through the church. She says quietly, “I have to put my faith on it, because otherwise I really screwed up.”
She painted her bedroom to look like a jewel box: One wall is sapphire, one emerald, one amethyst, and one garnet. Lying on her gold satin bedspread, she confides, “I find that I have attention-deficit disorder in my prayers. I start praying to God, and the next thing I know, I’m worrying about all kinds of mundane things. I finally came up with a vision for what it’s really like to pray. I’m in my bedroom, but one wall is missing, and that wall is just clouds. The room is just a little particle in the big consciousness that is God. So when I’m praying, I face the clouds and I take a running leap.”posted by nadawi at 8:51 AM on March 19 [5 favorites]
The quote on the bottom of her Wiki page states that she said "You are going to leave here and tell people "Michelle Shocked said God hates faggots.", that's a bit different than "You can go on Twitter and say ‘Michelle Shocked says God hates fags.'", I wonder which it was?Because when you're getting ready to tar-and-feather someone, the wording matters.
...Why on earth does the exact wording matter?
I was a Bauhaus fanatic in the 80s, and back then of course I dreamed of buying a hearse, but these days, yup, I drive a Forester too.
This is exactly me.
I'm not too familiar with the US on this, but I would be kind of shocked if you could keep someone out of your religion based on their race or if it was against the tenets of any major religion there to marry outside of your race.First, perhaps I should be clear that I'm only talking about being "forced" from the point of view of the government compelling you to do it. Societal pressure and so forth is irrelevant with regards to what I'm talking about, as would be the idea that there are no major religions that keep people out based on their race.
Yeah, still not seeing the distinction. It's not like if I were upset when I heard that she used the word "fags", but then found out she actually said "faggots," my reaction wouldn't be, "oh, well that's alright then."The distinction has nothing to do with whether she said "fags" or "faggots". It's that what her website says she said is at least conceivably compatible with the meaning "I predict that you will go out on Twitter and misinterpret what I said."
I've read your response four times and I'm sincerely not sure what you mean. (I am a bit sleep-deprived.) Can you dumb it down a bit?I can sure try.
A former member of the Westboro Baptist Church who recently published a book about leaving the hate-mongering group has also revealed that founder Fred Phelps's anti-gay ideology may have spawned from a gay experience.posted by ericb at 11:50 AM on March 19
Lauren Drain, 27, was a member of the Topeka, Kan., congregation until she challenged the group's beliefs and had to leave. She sat down this week with the Advocate to discuss her book and her journey from follower to free.
Drain suggested to the Advocate that founder Fred Phelps might have formed the Westboro Baptist Church and begun his anti-gay crusade because of a gay experience. He was a Boy Scout who graduated with honors and was headed for the military, she said. Then, at 17, Phelps changed his mind and was suddenly set on becoming a preacher to fight against "sexual immorality.
Via the Advocate:I never understood why, when [the media asked him], “Why are you so against the homosexuals? Did you have a homosexual experience? Do you have homosexual tendencies?” And he would get so mad, he would shut down. And he’d be like, “I can’t talk to this person anymore, they’re stupid.” His reaction to that was stronger than any other question you can ask him. So I always wondered that — why does he get so mad? If I’m not gay, I’ll just say I’m not gay. And I’m not going to freak out, like, “Why are you calling me gay?” I always thought that was super strange. … I don’t know what happened there, so [speculation] is all that I can leave it at. But something happened, and something made him change his mind about the military, and in turn have kind of a crusade against sexual immorality and homosexuals.
When people ask if she seemed high or drunk, she didn’t. She seemed like someone who had actually gone off medication—anxious and rocking back and forth and a lot of activity and about to explode with emotional anxiety. I have a lot of compassion for her, because she’s clearly processing some heavy emotional s---, but she shouldn't be doing it in front of a room full of strangers."He sounds like a thoughtful, observant guy and he was actually there--up close and personal--when it all went down. It's hardly dispositive, of course, but it's an interesting observation.
Michelle Shocked, known for living up to her surname, cleared out San Francisco club Yoshi’s last night, and shut down the venue, after she went on an anti-gay tirade, which she summed up by saying, ”You can go on Twitter and say ‘Michelle Shocked says God hates fags.’”posted by ericb at 12:23 PM on March 19
... Matt Penfield, onstage live-tweeting the performance for Shocked was, well, shocked.
“Eerie foreshadowing at Michelle Shocked show,” Penfield said. “before the show she talked about how ‘people seem like your friends then they turn on you.’”
Her first set was “all cool. 2nd set, she got up went full hate speech,” he tweeted.
... Last night [Shock] tweeted: "Truth is leading to painful confrontation #shortsharpshocked".
"Right now, the evangelicals are staking out a ground. And they are saying there is reconciliation between God and man for every human being on this earth - except for gays. And I don’t know who gave them that right!That is a pretty far cry from "God hates fags." If she'd said something like that on the stage at Yoshi, do you think we'd all be reading about it today?
"I’m here to say, not that homosexuality is wrong. I’m here to say that there is reconciliation through the blood of Jesus Christ for every human being on the face of this earth. And no one is entitled to speak on God’s behalf and say who does and who doesn’t have that right. Because that price was paid - purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ."
To her credit, Shocked hashed out this topic with Dallas Voice for almost three hours. She was angry, frustrated, funny, brilliant and deeply concerned over how her beliefs about sin would sound to her gay fans.
"I like the sound of being called an honorary lesbian and the comparisons to black disco divas," she laughs. "But right now, I’m a dug-in-the-heels fundamentalist who’s not too happy about it."
Any chance she would ever become a minister who’ll develop a following and bless same-sex marriage?
"Now I’m about to accuse you of becoming a fundamentalist," she jokes. "Listen, I don’t have the answer for how gay marriage or the homosexual question relates to Christianity. God’s power can reconcile those whom he loves. I don’t know how, but he can do it. It’s a mystery. And I don’t have the answer, but I will point you in the right direction."
A 'Christian' like Shocked is probably right to dread the prospect of Jesus coming back and seeing what they're doing in his name.
The only U.S. date that has not canceled Shocked at this point is the Harmony Bar in Madison, WI, where a person answering the phone Tuesday evening responded, "I won't know a damn thing until the boss comes back in eight days."posted by taz at 7:24 AM on March 20 [6 favorites]
"I'm very sorry: I don't always express myself as clearly as I should. But don't believe everything you read on Facebook or Twitter. My view of homosexuality has changed not one iota. I judge not. And my statement equating repeal of Prop 8 with the coming of the End Times was neither literal nor ironic: it was a description of how some folks –- not me -– feel about gay marriage."Bullshit!
To a fan’s question of “What are you up to?” on her Twitter account, Shocked replied, “Just my usual troublemaking, at the expense of dear friends who trust me, even when I appear to be gay-bashing.”The link gingerbeer posted yesterday to the Bay Area Reporter noted that Shocked left the stage sobbing after the show:
She also tweeted, “I’m neither against a woman's right to choose nor gay marriage. Am a fundamentalist tho.”
Other fans ventured the idea that Shocked, who has been known for provocative statements and actions previously, had been intentionally ironic with her comments.
After the performance Shocked was off the stage and talking with three fans. The B.A.R. asked her to clarify her comments. She seemed interested but a reporter heard one of her fans tell her, "It's a gay paper." Shocked again said, "God bless us everyone." She thanked her fans, began sobbing, and ran from the stage.I don't know what to think about this whole thing anymore. She seems very conflicted. And the hate speech, ironic or not, was offensive as hell.
Face covered and mouth taped shut, alternative folk and rock singer Michelle Shocked staged a sit in outside a Santa Cruz nightclub that canceled her show.A few links to Youtube videos and Twitter.
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