Couldn't they just as easily be motivated by secular/nationalist causes as by Islam? Even if that's their religion, it may not be their motivation.
Tomorrowful: "Since there's a police scanner link here, I'm going to just echo what Anonymous, among others, is saying on twitter: Do not publicize the addresses police are at. It enormously endangers them."
I really, really don't think this plot originated from Chechnya. The older brother maybe had some experience there, but this seems like something closer to the dc sniper killings-- a folie a deux with two family members that are close to each other but isolated from the community somehow.
Over four people dead. Four people. I value every human life, and I know that the deaths of those four people was a huge loss to the world, but
No. Dartmouth College up in New Hampshire is the Ivy League School. UMASS Dartmouth is located on the south coast of MASS--part of the UMASS system.
NYT: The two suspects [are identified as] brothers: Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev [“white cap”], 19 (at large) and Tamerlan Tsarnaev [“black cap”], 26 (died in hospital).
Officials said that the two men were of Chechen origin. . .
The family lived briefly in [Kyrgyzstan, then] Dagestan . . . before moving to the United States in 2002.
A spokesman for Ramzan A. Kadyrov, leader of Chechnya. . . told Interfax that, according to preliminary information, the family “moved to a different region of the Russian Federation from Chechnya many years ago. . . and from there moved to the United States, where [they] received residency permits.
“In such a way, the figures who are being spoken about did not live in Chechnya at a mature age, and if they became ‘bad guys,’ then this is a question that should be put to the people who raised them”.
Oh shit if they moved here in 2002 that is not good news in terms of U.S. freakout
This is Obama's 9/11.
I do not agree, .... In the end this is more likely to be Boston's Christopher Dorner.
Immigration reform is now dead. I wish it wasn't true (I have undocumented friends who are going to be screwed), but the fact that two non-native persons have waged a successful guerrilla campaign on US soil means Immigration reform is dead for at least a decade. It's just dead. I'm sorry.
One friend described Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as a laid-back "stoner."
Residents in Boston, Watertown, Newton, Belmont, and Cambridge: City-wide shelter in place is advised as this investigation unfolds. Please understand we have an armed and dangerous person(s) still at large and police actively pursuing every lead in this active emergency event. Please be patient and use common sense. Avoid congregating in large crowds until this person(s) are apprehended. We will continue to update the public with more information as it becomes available.
Tamerlan says he doesn't usually take his shirt off so girls don't get bad ideas: "I'm very religious."
Tamerlan says he doesn't drink or smoke anymore: "God said no alcohol." A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."
The United States has eliminated generations of al Qaeda's leadership, forced it out of one safe haven in Afghanistan, hammered it in another haven inside Pakistan, and driven the organization to decentralize itself. These successes have made it virtually impossible to accurately describe anymore what we mean by "an al Qaeda attack." These changes mean my former colleagues in the counterterrorism world must consider a limitless universe of potential al Qaeda attacks and tactics, with a scattered and shadowy leadership structure to monitor.
There are indications—unconfirmed—that the two brothers sought by law enforcement may have ties to Chechnya. With the troubled Russian region in the news, here's a primer on a violent region that has long struggled against Russian hegemony.
These guys likely had no connection to the Caucasus Emirate in person; connection would likely have been online. This looks more and more like "resonant effects," rather than something planned and executed by a cadre-level organization.
Chechens I know are completely crushed. Let's hope the FBI gets to the remaining suspect before the Chechen refugee community in Boston does. Boston welcomed and protected Chechen asylum seekers like no other city. Those people will tear these kids to pieces for the harm they've done.
Then we do not believe in mandatory lockdowns and mandatory house-to-house searches and grabbing everyone being suspicious with a cellphone or a shovel or a bag.
That is Iraq-level shit.
Otherwise I'm totally for posting scanner updates of the critical and game ending type in the thread
The problem with "critical and game ending" scanner information is that you don't know how to correctly identify it until the game is over.
So yes, putting a city on lockdown and searching house to house is warranted, and I'll be shocked if very many people are upset about it. What they would be upset about is letting this kid escape so he can murder again.
Effectively, you have alleged killers on the run with guns and bombs, and people trying to stop them from doing that. It's a warzone - civillians do not belong in a warzone.
They moved here in 2002 when we were at the height of Islamophobia? Seems strange.
So anyway what beef do Chechens have against America? I thought that the USA was more or less on their side? Islamist terrorists really have an issue with biting the hand that feeds.
Anybody who thinks this won't have an impact on the upcoming immigration bill doesn't fully understand the current American right.
Tony Soprano [over the phone]: It's a bad connection so I'm gonna talk fast! The guy you're looking for is an ex-commando! He killed sixteen Chechen rebels single-handed!
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: Get the fuck outta here.
Tony Soprano: Yeah. Nice, huh? He was with the Interior Ministry. Guy's like a Russian green beret. He can not come back and tell this story. You understand?
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: I hear you.
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: You're not gonna believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.
Christopher Moltisanti: His house looked like shit.
Second, this is Boston. You can still, to this day, go into bars and see the collection boxes for Sinn Fein. They're now curiosities, but still, you can see them
Things we'll do to keep people safe: Lock down an entire city for hours.
Things we won't do: A 5 min background check before you buy a gun.
Remember all the xenophobia, hatred and jingoism that happened after 9/11? Yeah, it's coming back. Maybe not as badly or as acutely, but it's coming back. Like clockwork.
But now, when smart phones and social media are common currency, we have entered a new era. One in which the flow of information has reached epic and epidemic proportions. News anchors must say something to fill the time on air. Producers cannot switch to other stories and come back when news has changed because fresh news is measured in fractions of a minute, and must compete with large social media platforms like Twitter whose reputations are not at stake if their content is incorrect.
Interview with their uncle in DC -
Interviewer: "what what behind it?"
Uncle - "Being losers!"
Suspects' father (via ABC News, as homelystar linked to): "If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police are to blame," the father told ABC News. "Someone, some organization is out to get them."
What in the actual hell? He indeed claims to have known about the bombing and said they spoke of it before it happened this week. Crazy, crazy. Apparently it runs in the family.
The father said he spoke to his sons by phone earlier this week. "We talked about the bombing. I was worried about them," Anzor Tsarnaev said.
In another painful case of misplaced suspicions, the family of a young man reported missing last month have had to take down a Facebook account set up to help find him after a wave of Internet users falsely – incorrectly – connected the missing man to the photos of Boston bombing suspects released Thursday.
I would like to apologize to the people of Boston & Massachusetts for the poor timing of my tweet earlier this morning. As a staunch and unwavering supporter of the individual right to self defense, I expressed my point of view without thinking of its effect on those still in time of crisis. In hindsight, given the ongoing tragedy that is still unfolding, I regret the poor choice of timing. Please know that my thoughts and prayers were with the people of Boston overnight and will continue as they recover from this tragedy.
asked if I could see my house. I told him I could see my street and the next door neighbor's. He told me it was very dangerous and that many cops were looking to "shoot someone."
Flunkie, that comment you are responding to is from two hours ago and has been discussed to death.
Find your Boston Bomber name by taking the first name of an innocent man and the second name of an innocent man and posting it on reddit— dominic (@casiotone) April 19, 2013
@UniNoticias: Servicio AMTRAK entre Boston y Nueva York suspendido por los momentos, según @Boston_Police
sammyo: There seem to be a lot of guys wandering around the area with backpacks wearing hoodies.
There seem to be a lot of guys wandering around the area with backpacks wearing hoodies.
This small city produced both Stephen J Gould and Whitey Bulger. This place gave us Leonard Nimoy and Mark Wahlberg. Southie and Cambridge. Brookline and Brockton. This place will kick the screaming piss out of you, come up with a cure for having the screaming piss kicked out of you, give it to you for free, then win a Nobel prize for it and then use the medallion to break your knuckles.
"SAMHSA @samhsagov Worry, confusion, frustration, or fear can be normal when sheltering in place. Call 1-800-985-5990 for Distress Helpline. #Watertown #Boston"
AwkwardPause: Damn near shit my pants...
Damn near shit my pants...
Dojie: I started getting them in Texas for Amber Alerts about a month ago. I've gotten four or five since then and it completely freaks me out every time.
I started getting them in Texas for Amber Alerts about a month ago. I've gotten four or five since then and it completely freaks me out every time.
I think the "you don't know who you fucked with" stuff about Boston is a little weird
brundlefly: ob1quixote: "The only one you can't turn off is the "Presidential Emergency Alert" which, if you get that one you'll have much, much bigger problems to worry about."
FEMA concentration camps, I assume.
ob1quixote: "The only one you can't turn off is the "Presidential Emergency Alert" which, if you get that one you'll have much, much bigger problems to worry about."
FEMA concentration camps, I assume.
The 10th Regiment of Foot: The amount of cynicism in this thread is unbelievable...
You should have seen the toddler-punching Axe-Me thread!
The amount of cynicism in this thread is unbelievable...
You should have seen the toddler-punching Axe-Me thread!
And worse yet for you, Boston is provincial in a way that makes Sicily look like Epcot. We don’t care if you’re going to school here, just moved from half a world away or are up for a long weekend. When you’re in Boston, you’re Boston. We watch each other’s backs, always have and always will.
The "don't mess with us rhetoric" has been part of Boston's culture since as long as I can remember.
Amar's house hadn't yet been searched, but he and another neighbor, who was sitting astride a bicycle, watched as cops went through the houses closer to Mount Auburn Street. "You know the philosopher Žižek?" the other man said, remembering that, after the September 11 attacks, Slavoj Žižek wrote a book called Welcome to the Desert of the Real, in which he observed that the actual consequences of attacks like the Boston Marathon bombing are far less significant than the symbolic consequences. "In the end, three people died because of the bombing," the neighbor noted. "But the real result is that we become acclimated to stuff like this."
Terror shatters us here precisely because ours is not a terrifying place compared to so much of the rest of the world. And also not really an objectively terrifying time, compared other periods in the American past: for instance, Christmastime, 1975, when an explosion equivalent to twenty-five sticks of dynamite exploded in a baggage claim area, leaving severed heads and other body parts scattered among some two dozen corpses; no one ever claimed responsibility; no one ever was caught; but pretty much, the event was forgotten, life went on, and no one anywhere said "everything changed."
A less narcissistic time, perhaps. Not now. Now, we let trauma consume us. Now, our desperate longing to know—to find easy, immediate answers—confines us, makes us frantic, reduces us to our basest cognitive instincts.
This reminds me that I joked last night that this week has been incredible at testing my faith in the first two amendments of our Constitution.
the younger kid continues to escape, to me, and has the resources to eat/sleep/find a place to use the bathroom/charge phones/etc
BREAKING: No News Breaking
BREAKING: Has The Word ‘Breaking’ Lost All Its Meaning?
BREAKING: Still Nothing
BREAKING: Can Anyone Ever Truly Know Anything? What Is The Truth?
BREAKING: We Might Be Doing A Bad Job
BREAKING: Do You Think We’re Doing A Good Job?"
Orange: Stay Indoors/Business Closed.
Red: Stay Indoors/Business Closed/No Vehicle Traffic Allowed.
Green: Staht Drinking!
Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, pictured in a surveillance photo from a 7-11, is believed to be one of the two suspects in the Boston Marathon attack. (Photo courtesy of the FBI.)
The Boston Marathon bombing suspect was on the run Friday afternoon as officials revealed he and his brother exchanged 200 rounds with police during a stunning firefight and left seven homemade explosives behind.*
A few things are for sure: the scanner chatter never mentioned the two false suspects together. The scanner chatter never mentioned them as suspects, either. The scanner chatter recordings contain no record of any mention. And no one has been able to produce any recording of the scanner mentioning Tripathi.
This presents us with a strange mystery that I wish I could fully solve, but I can't.
Perhaps this is some kind of hoax perpetrated by some unknown group.
Or maybe people heard Tripathi's name, even though police never said it. Many of the people who thought they heard Tripathi's name already knew about the Reddit-centered suspicions about the student. Police had also said another name earlier in the evening and spelled it out. Perhaps they were primed to hear the name and among the static and unreliable connections to these scanners, they heard what they wanted to hear.
Maybe that's what I want to believe. Because otherwise, I just don't understand what happened last night. A piece of evidence that fit a narrative some people really wanted to believe was conjured into existence and there was no stopping its spread.
corb: I'm with Alia on this - you can go without food for quite some time as long as you have water - which is trivially easy to get in large cities. Not to mention dumpster diving for actual food.
How long can Boston stay shut down? It's a real question.
I'm with Alia on this - you can go without food for quite some time as long as you have water - which is trivially easy to get in large cities. Not to mention dumpster diving for actual food.
How long can Boston stay shut down? It's a real question.
inertia: "I would love to know what kind of suit this guy is wearing."
There is a lot of speculation that Suspect #2 is hiding in a hedge, waiting it out in a dumpster, or something similar. If so, wouldn't the K-9 units find him easily? Especially if he's wounded? It's not as if we only have visual as the only means for detection.
And I knew they didn't seem to be used so much any more, but not much about why.
After the last few days, why is anyone bringing crap from Reddit into this thread? Do we need to participate in yet more harrassment of innocent people by those fuckwads?
Bomb dogs can only work for so long before they have to stop and rest. Presumably tracking dogs are the same way?
BobbyVan: And/or mentally ill, of course.
Haven't seen any evidence to support that, yet.
They seem to be close to calling their initiall search 100%. What then?
terrierhead: meditated self - what the hell is that? Sincere question - I don't have access to CNN here.
meditated self - what the hell is that? Sincere question - I don't have access to CNN here.
So I stayed inside scared out of my head all day for... ?
There is no strong link connecting violence and mental illness -- a person with mental illness is more likely to be a victim of violence, not its perpetrator (as has been said before).
are the searchers expressing dismay that the shelter-in-place order is lifted?