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Post number 12724

riffola — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:10:14 -0800

Moodstats the latest offering by the mighty K10K is finally available. The program is a shareware, a serial costs $15, but does it also cost K10K their anti-commercial attitude?

By: riffola

riffola — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:14:50 -0800

Some related comments at Surfstation.lu, Design Is Kinky and News Today.

By: riffola

riffola — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:18:06 -0800

I should add that I personally think $15 isn't bad if you actually continue using the program after 20 days.

By: plemeljr

plemeljr — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:23:50 -0800

I was a beta-tester...and the beta was awesome...I see no reason not to pay the $15. I see it as paying respect and giving props for an program and designers that have inspired me. That and the soundtrack is worth $15 at least

By: o2b

o2b — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:24:39 -0800

what anti-commercial attitude?

By: riffola

riffola — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:36:33 -0800

o2b: I was quoting a comment from Surfstation.lu, the news post there talked about it. From what I know about K10K, they've had sponsorship from companies but the adverts were tasteful. So I don't see how one would think that the K10K were truly anti-commercial. I found it odd that others thought they were. Yes, I do realise now that I probably should've put that bit in a comment rather than the main post.

By: mkn

mkn — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:54:54 -0800

I see a lot of people complaining about the $15 registration... saying that they have either "sold out", or that they have gone "commercial" as though it's some sort of curse, or that their "anti-commercial" image is now dead. But where do you draw the lines between being "commercial" and "paying the bills." It's kind of hard to pay for a site that was getting over 900,000 hits a month (I think the number was around there) when it's, in essence, a personal site being paid for through their own wallets. Personally, I doubt that the k10k people are going to make a profit off of this - most of it, I imagine, will go to pay all the hosting/server/ etc bills. Shrug, then again... most of the complaining is coming from whiny 15 year old "designers." They act like those indy rockers that wish their favourite band was more successful, but when it does find success - complain that it has sold out.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:07:41 -0800

I like that they chose to charge money for the software. Although it has web hooks, it is in reality mostly client-side software. The only network traffic is sending your stats to their server and fetching other people's stats. Running a central service is expensive, and if they get a big enough userbase, the $15 could probably just cover their expenses. I find it surprising that they'd get flack for releasing software you have to pay for. It is far from unheard of to ask for money for selling software. I suppose it is a first for them, and that for some reason is a big deal. Among the DiK/k10k/Three.Oh community, there are hundreds of font designers, many selling fonts, and almost always over $15 each. Do the Test Pilot Collective guys lose cred everytime they release a new font?

By: archeopterix

archeopterix — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:14:30 -0800

I don't get it, why not just write a diary? Who wants to track their mood like a Quicken chart?

By: BentPenguin

BentPenguin — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:42:50 -0800

Hidden patterns and trends , new ways of correllating events to same.

By: lotsofno

lotsofno — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:47:21 -0800

i'm sorry, but if you're whining about them (or him, or whoemever) charging for this, then you are a lam3r. possibly even a lemur. it looks like some pretty fun stuff. nothing i'd use right now, but i'd be interested to see it handle other stuff aside from emotions, with all the summarizing statistics and all... maybe i'll try it out yet. my only gripe (and probably unjustified since i only looked at the screenshots)? as great as k10k and this program is, i cannot see how you could expect anyone to read such small text as this comfortably.

By: lescour

lescour — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:02:09 -0800

oh man, k10k has just lost *all* their indie rock street cred.

By: coelecanth

coelecanth — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:12:38 -0800

"Download the program, pay the shareware fee, and we promise that you'll live happily ever after!" $15 to live happily ever after? To think of all the money I wasted on McDonald's (TM) Happy (TM) Meals (TM).

By: Tubes

Tubes — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:26:48 -0800

"...a built-in diary functionality suited for the Kirk Cameron in all of us..." Kirk Cameron? Do they maybe mean Doogie Howser?

By: barkingmoose

barkingmoose — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:42:35 -0800

Neil Patrick Harris.

By: mokey

mokey — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:25:37 -0800

What a completely useless program. Who would bother to download such a ridiculous thing let alone pay to use it? Computers aren't therapists!!!

By: endquote

endquote — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:02:44 -0800

Hmmm.... this is very interesting. The first thing I want to do with this is make a PHP script to dump the XML data it saves into the MySQL db my site runs on, and have all sorts of neat metadata included in my journals. Of course I'm sure they're probably already thinking something similar...

By: muckster

muckster — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:33:35 -0800

I'm list-obsessed geek enough to find this idea tempting. I wish they'd make room for more than 5 variables, though.

By: Su

Su — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:13:27 -0800

Biorhytms. Groovy, man. As for dumping the XML, and so on: Get a LiveJournal, much less setup. Now, where'd I put my pet rock? Now that I'm through with the bitchiness, please tell me there actually is more to it than I'm assuming. I'm all for playing with software, but from what I've seen so far, this holds absolutely no interest.

By: onthestereo

onthestereo — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:33:16 -0800

i think it's incredibly spiffy. it's a total geek thing, as far as i look at it, because it's hardly my mom's journal entries to list a variety of things by numbers... but i love it. i think i'll see whether i stay using it for the 20 days, and if so, i'll probably register. i give mad props to k10k, simply because it's very cool software and it's very well designed. although i kinda wish it didn't hide the menu bar when i was in it and it gave more than five categories.

By: teradome

teradome — Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:10:10 -0800

The first thing I want to do with this is make a PHP script to dump the XML data it saves into the MySQL db my site runs on Actually, the first thing I did after putting in 3 days of data was to add an XSL stylesheet to display it in the browser. :) Just add <?xml-stylesheet href="data.xsl" type="text/xsl"?> to the top, and then go wild with XSL.

By: Down10

Down10 — Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:07:37 -0800

Considering that Michael Schmidt (of K10k) is now living in San Francisco, one of the most expensive residential cities in the world, I think it's more than okay for him to want a little extra cash to pay his bills. I'm all for paying a few beans for Moodstats, especially when it looks like a fun program... There's a lot more crud software out there with prices far beyond its worth. I'm getting a copy. Besides, I owe Michael a drink anyways. He's a good guy, and certainly doesn't deserve the crap that the "design" community (15-year-olds) throw at him.