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June 4, 2013 11:55 PM   Subscribe

"For those of us who prefer to spend our days enjoying things, it is a fact of life: Lots of disagreeable people like things that might otherwise be pretty cool." Ruined By Its Fans attempts to quantify how much fans are able to ruin everything.
posted by NoraReed (70 comments total) 17 users marked this as a favorite

 
I agree with their premise, but some of their scores seem pretty dubious to me.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 11:59 PM on June 4, 2013 [3 favorites]


Oh Tag Savage.
posted by TonyRobots at 12:01 AM on June 5, 2013


What, no Metafilter?
posted by bardic at 12:02 AM on June 5, 2013 [10 favorites]


I like this post a lot but I'm not going to favorite it.
posted by twoleftfeet at 12:04 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


The music on this list bears an uncanny resemblance to a list we informally kept in my dorm almost 15 years ago.

One was said to like "douche tunes" if one was a fan of a band with overbearing, obnoxious fans like Tool or Radiohead. Since we lived in Southern California, Sublime being a douche tunes band was a total given, but that was a different kind of douche (the loud frat bro).

And then Kid A came out and Radiohead became the all-time undisputed king of douche tunes, never again to be toppled or challenged.
posted by Old Man McKay at 12:15 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


While this isn't serious it makes me sad that, even in gest, cycling is perpetuated in the public imagination as the province of weirdos, or that it is niche enough to be ruined.

For example: search for "lycra-clad" online and you see any number of suffixes - menace, thug, scofflaw, lout. Leaving aside that in my (UK) experience, the lycra-clad cyclists tend to be cycling advocates and are more likely to obey traffic laws and cycle responsibly than either less "hardcore" cyclists or the many motorists who habitually fail to obey speed limits, drive through amber/red lights, drive while on the phone (illegal in the UK), consistently stop in advanced stop boxes for cyclists, or don't know basic highway code laws like rule 170 (giving way to pedestrians already crossing the road) or that flashing amber lights at pedestrian traffic lights STILL GIVE PRIORITY TO PEDESTRIANS. The refrain of "I pay my road tax" from angry motorists is so common it's become parody. It's part of the same theme - cycling would be OK apart from those bloody cyclists who should all piss off and get off my road.

By contrast, a 21 mile journey across the English Channel to France shows an alternative universe in which cycling is considered a mainstream sport, and seeing men or women as old as 70 donned head to toe in lycra and huffing and puffing up hills is commonplace. Cyclists are respected - not for being special, but as another road user that needs appropriate attention and care to drive around. Just like anyone else.

And should one venture to the Netherlands or Denmark - where in places like Copenhagen or Amsterdam bike ownership is above 90% and a significant percentage of journeys are taken by bike - the idea that cycling is a niche hobby for car hating weirdos or hipsters in silly trousers would be met with the kind of odd looks reserved for people who think lizards run government.
posted by MuffinMan at 12:23 AM on June 5, 2013 [23 favorites]


Also see how quantity of fans can ruin a good thing.
posted by cman at 12:28 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


MuffinMan: "While this isn't serious it makes me sad that, even in gest, cycling is perpetuated in the public imagination as the province of weirdos, or that it is niche enough to be ruined."

This site isn't remotely implying that the stuff on the list is "niche", unless you consider things like "coffee" or "weddings" to be niche. Your jumping to that conclusion in order to rant about biking is the kind of behavior that puts it on the list, though.
posted by Bugbread at 12:30 AM on June 5, 2013 [51 favorites]


Your jumping to that conclusion in order to rant about biking is the kind of behavior that puts it on the list, though.

Yeah, this.
posted by mr_roboto at 12:37 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


Ok this is genius. I have some concerns with the quality scores, but yeah, good effort. Would read again.
posted by awfurby at 12:49 AM on June 5, 2013


No, I think the overall implication that MuffinMan was responding to (maybe not overtly) is that something can only be "ruined by its fans" if it's "niche-y" and being a fan of things that aren't "niches" is kind of a niche-y thing, like being all "Hey, I'm into weddings" is just weird.

Note: things like Justin Bieber can't be ruined by their fans, because they are not in the same league and it's like punching a baby goat to try and include them in any assessment of fans ruining things

Note: a fan can only "ruin" something for you agree that they've ruined it, usually due to misguided hipster-esque non-conformity on matters of consumerism substituting for a substantial happiness with one's self and a lack of abandonment of constant concern for what others think about you, and can only ruin your thing for other people if the other people are judgmental and don't understand the "guilt by association" problem.

I think those items are in there for comedic value specifically to point out that people who make say, coffee an obsession can be tiresome precisely because it "shouldn't" be a niche-thing that people obsess over, it's just coffee, it's simple man, simple, and they turn it into this hipster-niche-thing and ruin it for the Joe Sixpacks of America who appreciate Folger's in the morning and Bud at night, and choose to smoke Marlboros rather than Camels because this is America and we've got freedom of choice!
posted by lordaych at 12:49 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


I'm guessing the entry for My Little Pony caused a divide by zero error and they had to leave it out.
posted by hellojed at 12:58 AM on June 5, 2013 [5 favorites]


Yeah, I pretty much agree with the scores I've waved my eyes over.
IRC fans; not as big of arseholes as you might have thought!
posted by Jimbob at 12:59 AM on June 5, 2013


Thom Yorke is a vegan.
posted by pracowity at 1:02 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


Note: a fan can only "ruin" something for you agree that they've ruined it,

While this is certainly true for books, TV shows, etc; it's less true for something like a concert, where the fans can indeed "ruin" it in many, many ways. Basically, if you have to interact with the fans to enjoy it (comic book convention, concert, some kinds of sports) the fans do matter. If you just do it by yourself or with select friends, they don't unless you care about the sort of thing you mentioned (which I agree is silly to worry / care about, I like things regardless of who else likes them --- unless those people actively make it suck).
posted by wildcrdj at 1:11 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


Site is funny. Beanplating hilarious.
posted by TrialByMedia at 1:14 AM on June 5, 2013


As a 30+ year fan of Devo, I was a little surprised to see them with an entry on this list, but glad to see a relatively low "fan awfulness" score.
posted by ShutterBun at 1:25 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


'Europe'

My appreciation of this hinges on whether or not they mean the band or the geographic area.
posted by dubold at 2:27 AM on June 5, 2013 [15 favorites]


I'll have a comment once my eyes return to normal from that colour scheme...
posted by panboi at 2:41 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


an alternative universe in which cycling is considered a mainstream sport

That'll be the 'sport' where they literally cannot work out who's actually won because every single competitor is drugged up to the eyeballs and has their blood changed for breakfast...
posted by colie at 2:42 AM on June 5, 2013 [5 favorites]


I want to see their methodology. I am not sure, for example, how bacon can be intrinsically lower quality than veganism, but the fans are so much less awful. Additionally, the quality of Family Guy and the awfulness of its fans are over- and under-estimated by at least an order of magnitude. Unless these are logarithmic scales, and even then....

Additionally, the vagueness of some of the entries is confusing. "Europe" has already been mentioned, but does "Magic" refer to the card game or David Copperfield or Merlin? Is "Ramps" referring to skateboarding, accessibility, or trendy salad green (which I understand are being over-harvested in the wild, so the fans are kind of awful). Are "Truffles" the candy or the fungus? This is very hard to comprehend (and it displays poorly on mobile devices). I am sure that Tufte would have harsh words.

In other words, your favorite jokey ranking system sucks. Thank you, I will be here all week. Try the veal!
posted by GenjiandProust at 2:44 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


My retinas are ruined. How in the hell did anyone read all of the entries?
posted by NoMich at 4:18 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


Yeah, NoMich, the only worse color for the cells that they could have picked was that acid green that HotBot used back in the day.

Also, GenjiandProust, I'd argue that bacon is more ruined than veganism because of that stupid make-everything-bacon-flavored-or-out-of-bacon trend. There are vegans who are paranoid and obsessive about their food, and the preachy ones, but they're not the ones flooding my FB feed with pics of hats made out of bacon and whatnot.
posted by Halloween Jack at 4:45 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


Tool wasn't ruined by its fans, Tool was ruined by A Perfect Circle. Before: mildly narcissistic genius, after: unrepentantly narcissistic schlock.

Werner Herzog with the second-least-worst fans? Seems legit.
posted by Ryvar at 5:16 AM on June 5, 2013


This eyesore chart has ruined charts for me.
posted by El Sabor Asiatico at 5:22 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


This is great. When I got to Krzysztof Kieslowski I laughed out loud.
posted by nathancaswell at 5:24 AM on June 5, 2013


While this isn't serious it makes me sad that, even in gest, cycling is perpetuated in the public imagination as the province of weirdos, or that it is niche enough to be ruined.

No, I think cycling can just as easily be ruined forever by a bunch of guys obsessively training on the local bike path for their next race.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 5:25 AM on June 5, 2013


Maybe I'm alone here, but I really don't care about the "fans" of things. I dislike Family Guy because it's not funny. I like bicycles because they are fun to ride and get me places quickly. I like coffee because I am chemically addicted to it.

I get the feeling that this is a veiled way of expressing the author's personal preferences, and we're supposed to look at this list and snicker along with the author because we hate vegans and cyclists, too.

Cool client-side table sorting, though.
posted by deathpanels at 5:31 AM on June 5, 2013 [8 favorites]


deathpanels: "I get the feeling that this is a veiled way of expressing the author's personal preferences, and we're supposed to look at this list and snicker along with the author because we hate vegans and cyclists, too."

That's not veiled, that's right up there in the title, "Ruined By Its Fans". It doesn't assume we hate veganism or cycling, but that we find vegans and cyclists irritating. The entries I personally found the most amusing were the ones for things which I like.
posted by Bugbread at 5:40 AM on June 5, 2013


Bacon and libertarianism ruined by fans? Come on. You can't ruin bacon unless you burn it, and libertarianism can't be saved.
posted by orange swan at 5:46 AM on June 5, 2013 [4 favorites]


I'd like to see this as a Shigeru Miyamoto game, where the player is a "disagreeable fan," and those who "spend their time enjoying things" are unsavory little trolls who cough up items from this list as coins when you stomp on their heads.
posted by echocollate at 5:50 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


Their math is terrible: something can be 5 tragic if it is 10 quality and 0 ruined. Tragedy should be quality * ruin.
posted by scose at 5:51 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


So am I the only one who finds the arguments in this thread to be the exact opposite as the ones here?

I mean, they're both about one group attempting to separate themselves, and then trying to undermine the other.

I grant that one is a joke that nobody really takes seriously because we think it has zero effect on our lives, and the other is a website (ba dum dum tss) but aren't we really talking about the same issue here?
posted by Blue_Villain at 5:51 AM on June 5, 2013


Yoga you can do all by yourself so it is almost a physical impossibility for its fans to ruin it for you. Also you can listen to Bill Hicks CD's by yourself. Obviously you can't go to a Tool show by yourself so the fans can wreck it but I have always found the fans of that band perfectly OK.

(Since people hate me enough I will refrain from posting who I think sucks but I totally agree with a couple or more items on this list.)
posted by bukvich at 5:52 AM on June 5, 2013


You could probably make a separate one of these just for cars.

E.g., the Subaru Impreza STi looks like a fun car to have, until you hit the used car ads and it's all INCLUDES 30 KILOWATT SUBWOOFER! CUSTOM TRIBAL TATTOO SEAT COVERS! TOTALLY AWESOME SPOILERS ON HOOD, FENDERS AND TRUNK! AFTERMARKET TURBO WITH 300 LBS OF BOOST! and then you want to vomit.
posted by indubitable at 5:54 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


MuffinMan: "the lycra-clad cyclists tend to be cycling advocates and are more likely to obey traffic laws and cycle responsibly than either less "hardcore" cyclists"

Absolutely the opposite in my experience. Advocates yes, friendly when you talk to them yes, good at repairs yes, but they are also much more likely to blow through stop signs, don't slow down when they're supposed to, don't yield when they're supposed to, pass around blind curves, and don't give warning when passing. The one time I've been run off a (paved) trail, it was the fault of a roadie riding recklessly. The 3 or 4 times I've been drafted, no warning was ever given or permission ever asked, and every time it's been done by guys in racing gear.

I'm sure they are very good at gobbling up highway miles, but put them in any kind of a city and they are dangerous and rude. To me lycra is a sign I should be more alert than usual.
posted by aerotive at 5:56 AM on June 5, 2013


Go to link, Ctrl+F "Joss Whedon": no results.
Go to this thread, Ctrl+F "Joss Whedon": NO RESULTS.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. Joss Whedon is the goddamned poster child and lifetime achievement award winner for "ruined by its fans."
posted by chrominance at 6:10 AM on June 5, 2013 [14 favorites]


I don't understand why I am not on the list, I was long ago ruined by my fans.
posted by windykites at 6:21 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


If you need to vent some bicycle-y grar, there's another open thread where you can do that.

That said, because it's relevant, I'll repeat an anecdote:

A friend asked one of his Danish coworkers about the "cycling culture" in Denmark. The coworker briefly looked confused, paused to think about the question for a moment, and retorted by asking my friend about America's "toaster oven culture."

Despite our best attempts to the contrary, Bicycles are incredibly utilitarian objects, with a fairly specific (and useful) function. The more people who bike, the less "weird" it is, and the less likely there is for us to form weird cults around a tool. I also mentioned this in the other bike thread, but the biggest factor in bicycle safety (by a huge margin) is the number of cyclists on the road. As cycling's mode share increases, cyclists are more likely to ride safely, and more likely to know and obey the law; cities are more likely to write traffic laws that are appropriate for cyclists, and more likely to engineer proper bicycle infrastructure; drivers are more likely to watch for cyclists, and also have an accurate knowledge of the rights, regulations, and responsibilities that pertain to drivers and cyclists respectively.
posted by schmod at 6:22 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


[I'm not too proud to beg. Please don't make this another "let's all fight about the bicycles!" thread? Please scoot skate stroll pedal amble or wheel yourselves over to the one in already progress?]
posted by taz at 6:28 AM on June 5, 2013 [9 favorites]


Racing is presented to us as the goal that we should all aspire to — the highest level of bicycle riding," he says. "I totally don't believe that. Racing is fringe. Racing ruins bicycle riding for a lot of people. Riding a bicycle should be just a natural part of your life. It's so easy. We are the only ones — 'we,' speaking as an American — we are generally the only ones who commute to work in racing clothing. Where is there room for debate about how ridiculous that is? The problem, Petersen says, is that once cyclists gain some experience, they feel the need to "ramp up" and buy a racing bike and other gear, so they can ride for dozens and dozens of miles — "and start not having fun on the bike."
posted by 445supermag at 6:30 AM on June 5, 2013 [4 favorites]


Isn't "NASCAR is ruined by its fans" a tautology or something?
posted by scratch at 6:33 AM on June 5, 2013


My God. . .



It's full of DIVs.
 
posted by Herodios at 6:34 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


Also, GenjiandProust, I'd argue that bacon is more ruined than veganism because of that stupid make-everything-bacon-flavored-or-out-of-bacon trend. There are vegans who are paranoid and obsessive about their food, and the preachy ones, but they're not the ones flooding my FB feed with pics of hats made out of bacon and whatnot.

But the chart shows bacon being less ruined. And people complain about unpleasant vegans, but I have never met one in all my years of vegetarian- and vegan-knowing. I have stumbled across a couple of articles written by irritating people, but they are easy enough to ignore. On the bacon side, it seems like about 10% of the internet is made of bacon. Sure it lags behind cats and porn, but still.... Bacon fans are demonstrably more annoying. So how can they ruin bacon more, especially since bacon is coming from behind?

As I said, show me the methodology or go home, red and white chart guy!
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:41 AM on June 5, 2013


I would like to have the number of fans it would take to cause my ruin.
posted by orange swan at 6:46 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


I think these ratings should be modified based on the awfulness of each item's critics.

For instance: My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. I will leave the average quality to the reader- by all accounts it is a decent animated program. Now, Bronies, on the other hand, are pretty much universally regarded as annoying, or at least weird. However, the people you meet who really hate Bronies tend to be far worse than the Bronies themselves, and the reasons they give for their dislike of Bronies are usually objectionable on multiple levels. I think the scores should reflect this.

Similarly, I will certainly agree that cycling is awesome, and will concede that cycling advocates can be more strident than a campus chapter of the Spartacist League. However, I would argue that this is easily mitigated by the attitudes of people like this crazy lady. I'm not sure whether or not this would make cycling more or less tragic.




Average Quality of the Ocular Tumor Given To Me By This Site's Design: Oh, it's a good'un

Average Awfulness of the Tumor's Fans: They're not really bothering anyone, but I kind of wish they'd stop

Level of Tragedy: Not very tragic, I guess?
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:46 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


This feels like a really odd, Nate Silverish cousin of a listicle or tumblog. Like, your typical listicle or tumblog collects a bunch of sort-of related things into a titled collection. Maybe it provides some pseudo-justification to clarify the connections in text, but that's the bulk of it.

This is the same kind of collection, but explanatory text has been replaced with arbitrary, possibly random numbers and some shuffle-able columns to give it some zazz and the appearance of validity.

On the one hand, this makes me angry. Who are these guys with their random assignments? On the other hand, it makes me feel bad for reading Pitchfork for the album scores. It's a teaching website. Is this what the future is going to be? Will there be a book just listing rankings of things? Is numbersassignedtothings.tumblr.com free?

Anyway, thanks for posting! This has been a surprisingly passionate five minutes.
posted by Going To Maine at 6:51 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


I think these ratings should be modified based on the awfulness of each item's critics.

I suspect that a Venn diagram of "Bacon fans" and "Vegan Critics" would show a huge amount of overlap.

Which, I suspect, is part of the problem. Like microwave ready bacon, the use of bacon as a rhetorical tool to mock dietary choices is a slap in the face to one of my favorite techniques of meat preservation.

Also, yeah there's some pretty terrible bacon out there, and some pretty ill conceived dishes involving bacon.
posted by Gygesringtone at 6:56 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


Sample size is too small. They need to collect data from a large number of contributors.

Of course there would be the risk that those contributors, being fans of the site, will ruin it.
posted by JAHxman at 7:03 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


This is the best use of analytics since us statheads ruined baseball with math.
posted by Ghostride The Whip at 7:18 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


I don't know how they can have something techie like Linux and not have Ruby on the list.
posted by ill3 at 7:23 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


This is the best use of analytics since us statheads ruined baseball with math.

I read that as "...with meth." Three times.
posted by GenjiandProust at 7:35 AM on June 5, 2013


I like the idea that I can ruin stuff for other people just by being a fan. Wait, did I just ruin that too?
posted by srboisvert at 7:41 AM on June 5, 2013


In fairness, meth has also been ruined by its fans.
posted by Ghostride The Whip at 7:48 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


The whole point of "Straight Edge" is that it's ruined by its fans.
posted by Cookiebastard at 8:21 AM on June 5, 2013 [3 favorites]


today's favorite phrase: Degree Of Ruin
posted by fuzzypantalones at 8:22 AM on June 5, 2013 [2 favorites]


So can some interactive web ninja create a site where we can recreate this ourselves, rating three or so things a day to see if we agree at all with these clowns?
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 8:56 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. Joss Whedon is the goddamned poster child and lifetime achievement award winner for "ruined by its fans."

That was one of my first impressions of the list. (Too many awkward exchanges with people "Why don't you like Firefly? OMG YOU MUST LIKE FIREFLY!"

I wish there was a description of how the fans ruined it. Is it because they're obnoxiously smug, wear the jokes out, or are just annoying in general?
posted by kendrak at 9:02 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


My appreciation of this hinges on whether or not they mean the band or the geographic area.

Right there with you.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 9:24 AM on June 5, 2013


Maybe I'm alone here, but I really don't care about the "fans" of things. I dislike Family Guy because it's not funny. I like bicycles because they are fun to ride and get me places quickly. I like coffee because I am chemically addicted to it.

You're speaking like an adult here, and thus, I agree with you. But thirty-five years ago ... well, let's just say Led Zeppelin were pretty much ruined for me by their fans. I mean, how could I love the same thing as the football jocks?

Also, Bob Dylan has a far higher average quality than 7.5 ... even with those 1980s albums. And I'm not even a fan really. I just know.
posted by philip-random at 9:59 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


As I said, show me the methodology or go home, red and white chart guy!

I am guessing the metholodolgy was "would this be funny?"
posted by Falconetti at 10:03 AM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


E.g., the Subaru Impreza STi looks like a fun car to have, until you hit the used car ads and it's all INCLUDES 30 KILOWATT SUBWOOFER! CUSTOM TRIBAL TATTOO SEAT COVERS! TOTALLY AWESOME SPOILERS ON HOOD, FENDERS AND TRUNK! AFTERMARKET TURBO WITH 300 LBS OF BOOST! and then you want to vomit.

I drive the less powered little bro of this car (the WRX) and I think that there's just no accounting for bad taste. (Aside from a small downpipe modification, my car's full stock, and still fun to drive)
posted by kurosawa's pal at 10:11 AM on June 5, 2013


The tidy stacks of papers on my counter are frequently ruined by fans.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:12 AM on June 5, 2013 [4 favorites]


Can we get some Kevin Smith, Chuck Pahlaniak (sp?), and Ween in there too?
posted by elr at 12:08 PM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


As I said, show me the methodology or go home, red and white chart guy!

Perhaps I missed something, but the '???' link in the upper left hand corner seems to lead to as much of an explanation as you're going to get.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 12:17 PM on June 5, 2013 [1 favorite]


A friend asked one of his Danish coworkers about the "cycling culture" in Denmark. The coworker briefly looked confused, paused to think about the question for a moment, and retorted by asking my friend about America's "toaster oven culture."

Thank god someone finally brought this up. For years, I've been trying to carve out just a bit more space on the countertops for models like my sweet little stainless steel Breville. Conventional ovens have gone six-burner, eight-burner, you got Miele steam ovens, convection gear, whatever. Microwaves? A dozen sizes, tricked-out features. You want it under the cupboards, mounted? Sure. Built right into your condo unit? You bet. Hell, we'll put another one in your office break room and a bank of half a dozen at the student centre cafeteria. But you show up with a quiet little Breville like mine, try to make a little garlic cheese toast, whatever, and you watch the scene, the howls of outrage, the epithets. They call the damn fire marshal. What're you doing? That thing doesn't belong in here! You try to find a decorator who'll do a built-in on a toastie. Why don't you just get one of those sandwich presses, use it on weekends with the kids? Because a goddamn George Foreman grill IS NOT A GODDAMN TOASTER OVEN, that's why.

I was over in Europe? Great little apartments, tidy little stoves. Plenty of room for a toaster oven. Plenty. Tricked-out little downtown numbers, stylish Italian ...

... so I told the cop, sure the coils are custom, but this is still a certified ...

... this is about HEALTH and GREENHOUSE GASES and ...

posted by gompa at 1:57 PM on June 5, 2013 [6 favorites]


Perhaps I missed something, but the '???' link in the upper left hand corner seems to lead to as much of an explanation as you're going to get.

Ah, my failure. I was running a script blocker, and it didn't link for whatever reason. Yay, overly complex page design! Sadly, the explanation was "because we thought it would be funny, but with a bit of math."
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:29 PM on June 5, 2013


That's just your opinion, man.
posted by telstar at 5:02 PM on June 5, 2013


Where's the entry for Homestuck? I'm told it's really good, but brushing past it on tumblr and so forth suggests to me that it drives teenagers to madness.
posted by Countess Elena at 6:52 PM on June 5, 2013


TheWhiteSkull: the people you meet who really hate [enthusiasts of random fandom] tend to be far worse than the [enthusiasts of random fandom] themselves, and the reasons they give for their dislike of [enthusiasts of random fandom] are usually objectionable on multiple levels.

Just had to pull this out, genericize it, and give it some praise.
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