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June 13, 2013 7:27 AM   Subscribe

The organizers of Riot Fest 2013 have announced the Replacements will be reuniting for the Toronto, Denver, and Chicago dates this summer.
posted by JoeZydeco (57 comments total) 8 users marked this as a favorite

 
So they developed the technology to raise Bob from the dead? Odd that I didn't hear about that.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:29 AM on June 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


One of the best local bands evar!
posted by Mental Wimp at 7:29 AM on June 13, 2013


Got my ticket for Chicago.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:34 AM on June 13, 2013


It's two Replacements. The other guys are substitutes.
posted by Luminiferous Ether at 7:40 AM on June 13, 2013 [12 favorites]


I wonder who will fill in for Bob/Slim. If they go the Big Star route and bring in a huge fan as a ringer they could get Jeff Tweedy. The RiotFest dates match up with gaps in Wilco's tour. Tommy has been playing with Soul Asylum and Dave Pirner is a friend of theirs. I could get behind another of Tommy's friends, Jack Logan. He'd be fairly Bob-like. It'll probably be someone they know from Minneapolis.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:44 AM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


Only two out of the four? Can somebody please introduce a truth in labeling act for rock reunions? Senator Franken, maybe?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:48 AM on June 13, 2013


Yes, they do have the technology to raise Bob.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:49 AM on June 13, 2013


They will have the only two originals who were left at the end anyway. And Chris hasn't said no, though admittedly him playing would be doubtful.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:52 AM on June 13, 2013


I heard both Black Flags are going to open.

Snark aside I've been feeling both old and smug since I heard this news. I saw The Replacements a lot back in the day, including what was probably the most surreal show - a Catholic girls high school mixer. It was awesome. The also opened for REM at an outdoor show that was wonderful.
posted by misterpatrick at 7:53 AM on June 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


Can anyone speak as to how the RiotFests are? I don't know that I could travel but this sure makes me want to.
posted by mountmccabe at 8:08 AM on June 13, 2013


Only two out of the four? Can somebody please introduce a truth in labeling act for rock reunions? Senator Franken, maybe?

Foreigner are on tour this summer... with zero original members.
posted by Cosine at 8:19 AM on June 13, 2013 [5 favorites]


I'm personally not sure about the Riot Fests myself. It seems like something Ass Dan would show up to.
posted by JoeZydeco at 8:22 AM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


Foreigner are on tour this summer... with zero original members.

So they're better now!

BOOM! Yeah, I went there!
posted by Cookiebastard at 8:30 AM on June 13, 2013 [6 favorites]


Does Mick Jones not tour with Foreigner anymore?


At any rate I think Paul and Tommy doing shows together playing songs by the Replacements is a big deal.
posted by mountmccabe at 8:48 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


As much as I love my own personal history and mythology of the old dangerous Mats, I have to say I think the best Replacements show I saw was actually Westerberg on his first solo tour, the OLD 9:30 Club in DC, with the guitarist from the Neighborhoods.

I agree, this is not a touring Foreigner.
posted by C.A.S. at 9:09 AM on June 13, 2013


/in NYC feeling snubbed
posted by jonmc at 9:11 AM on June 13, 2013


I wonder who will fill in for Bob/Slim.

Tommy Keene is the name I've heard floated. I've also heard Dan Murphy, but he just retired from his main gig to "spend more time with family" so it seems unlikely.
posted by anazgnos at 9:15 AM on June 13, 2013


If you miss out on this, try to catch Tommy solo. He's seriously underrated, nearly as much fun as Paul and usually less expensive and in more intimate venues.

Tommy's two post-Mats bands (Bash & Pop, Perfect) each put out a fantastic record: Friday Night Is Killing Me, and Once, Twice, Three Times a Maybe, respectively.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:15 AM on June 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


Go and have fun if that's your thing, but I just can't conceive of the Replacements without Bob and Chris. I could barely consider them the Replacements after Tim.
posted by Rykey at 9:18 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


I flipped out over this news last night.
I saw them on the ASD tour in 91 and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen by a band that didnt move. Just a drunken freight train chugging along throwing off amazing songs.
Now if we can just get a reunited Bash And Pop to open...
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:19 AM on June 13, 2013


It's two Replacements. The other guys are substitutes.

Now performing, the Replacements replacements.
posted by MoonOrb at 9:20 AM on June 13, 2013


Oh actually Titus Andronicus would be a great opener for a tour (if a bit too "on the nose")

Also, promoters take note: all 3 members of Hüsker Dü are currently living!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:24 AM on June 13, 2013


Back in '85 or '86, I had tickets to see the Replacements in DC, I believe at the old 9:30 Club. Then word came that Bob had broken his hand and the show was cancelled. I was one upset teenager. But you can't argue with the wisdom: without Bob, ain't no Replacements show happening.
posted by fikri at 9:33 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


all 3 members of Hüsker Dü are currently living!

No 3 members of Hüsker Dü are currently talking!
posted by anazgnos at 9:45 AM on June 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


I'm gonna fav that just for mentioning the OLD 9:30 club again.

That smell.......

Paul and Tommy are enough for me. I don't like romanticising the myth of Bob, who was either on fire, in a dress, or just enough mess to derail it.

There were as many shitty Mats gigs as transcendent ones. And for me, in the end, those songs are what bring it.
posted by C.A.S. at 9:46 AM on June 13, 2013


Saw Replacements in '86 at City Gardens in Trenton, NJ. It was a terrible show, they were a sloppy, loud, drunken, fighting mess. Still, I prefer to remember that way, than as some nostalgia act 27 years later.
posted by remo at 9:46 AM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


than as some nostalgia act

What bothers me about this line of thinking is the implication that music has a really short shelf life.
posted by anazgnos at 9:48 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


I absolutely understand the "not without Bob and Chris" argument. But the Mats didn't get their due at all the first time around and if Paul and Tommy want to do a belated victory lap and make some money, I don't see the harm in it.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:49 AM on June 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


There were as many shitty Mats gigs as transcendent ones. And for me, in the end, those songs are what bring it.

This is the point right here.
The whole "maybe they will be terrible tonite" legend is great and all, but those songs deserved better. And that includes much of Dont Tell a Soul and All Shook Down.
One of the great things about being too late to participate in all that mythology—a mythology that usually has more to do with the person telling it than the band itself—is that I dont have to pretend that those last two records dont have a ton of great songs between them.
I'd rather see them play "Askin Me Lies" than "Customer" for instance. Not that Sorry Ma and Stink werent great (for what they were), but they are only canonized in the context of being the acorn that the band grew out of.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:53 AM on June 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


Anyone clamoring for Chris Mars to get back behind the kit is insane. Give me Paul and Tommy with Tommy Keene and Josh Freese I'm happy. Just hope they play DC or the Twin Cities.
posted by playertobenamedlater at 9:55 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


Even if you want to think of these as Paul live shows minus "First Glimmer" and "Dyslexic Heart" and plus Tommy and "Takin' a Ride" I can't imagine what's not to like about it.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:58 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


@anazgnos has nothing to do with the music. I still listen to the Replacements and plenty of other bands of that era and enjoy listening like I did back in the day. However, I have seen my share of reunion gigs over the years, and it's just never the same. Sometimes, it's because much of the youth, energy and urgency is missing (from both myself and the band), that really made a bands live show. Other times bands just don't have "it" anymore and are best remembered when they did. I think in this case, it would be a combo of both.
posted by remo at 9:59 AM on June 13, 2013


Their date in Toronto is going to be the dad-rockingest show ever (and I mean that in a good way) - Dinosaur Jr, The Weakerthans, and Iggy and the Stooges are also playing.
posted by thecjm at 10:07 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


Other times bands just don't have "it" anymore and are best remembered when they did. I think in this case, it would be a combo of both.

I don't know about all of that. I'd point to the Guided by Voices, Afghan Whigs, Geto Boys, and Dinosaur Jr reunions as successes in the "let's give it one last try" reunion tour.
posted by playertobenamedlater at 10:10 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


Mission of Burma, too.
posted by anazgnos at 10:20 AM on June 13, 2013 [4 favorites]


I kind of wish Mars would show up for just one show, but do it as Pappy the Clown.
posted by COBRA! at 10:37 AM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


@mountmccabe: I was at last year's Riot Fest and found it way preferable to Pitchfork. Bigger space with better layout, cheaper food/drink, the 3 day pass allows for leaving/returning to the grounds (super useful to me since Humbolt Park is walking distance from my house), and the range of bands just appealed to me more. They had carnival rides too which I personally thought was kind of lame but lots of people seemed to be enjoying them, so I guess that's a sell for some folks.

Last year's lineup was great - I was super psyched to see Gogol Bordello, Elvis Costello, the Descendents, Built To Spill, Dropkick Murphys and Iggy & the Stooges - and saw a couple of bands that I wasn't familiar with before that are now part of my regular rotation.

I bought my 3 day pass for this year before the Replacements were announced and now I am SO PSYCHED I did - but it was Blondie, Public Enemy, Dinosaur Jr, Mission of Burma & a bunch of the other down-bill acts that sold me, not the lame headliners they started with (Blink182 and Fall Out Boy) both of which hold zero appeal for me.

tl;dr: Had a blast at Riot Fest 2012. Really looking forward to RF2013 - even more now!
posted by deliciae at 10:37 AM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


Naked Raygun at the Denver installment but not Chicago!?
posted by larrybob at 10:53 AM on June 13, 2013


Hey, don't get me wrong, I am totally looking into whether or not I can manage to catch the partial reunion (am in NC now, so am checking if any of the dates might work into travel plans). And I have seen my share of truly inspiring reunion shows -- like the above-mentioned Mission of Burma, and Gang of Four, and the Buzzcocks, to name a few.

Just sayin' that some things of a certain time and place can't be recaptured. (And that's OK. Beautiful, even!) And the Replacements as they were in their shambolic heyday, for good and ill, is one of those things.
posted by fikri at 11:11 AM on June 13, 2013


all 3 members of Hüsker Dü are currently living!

That would quickly change if they were all in the same room together.
posted by mykescipark at 12:54 PM on June 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


I get people still want to see some of their favorite all time bands, or bands for whatever reason they missed in their prime. Hell if it was still possible, I'd pay Rolling Stone Ticket prices to see the Clash, and I did go see Elvis Costello and Archers of Loaf in the recent past. So I am not totally adverse to the idea of reunion gigs.

Plenty of them still got "it" (Elvis Costello did), and it can be a fantastic time (Skanking like an old fool to the English beat) . I just think this particular reunion gig, like some others I have seen, will be one of those underwhelming ones. Just an opinion, is all. I do actually hope they prove me wrong and it is a magical 3 dates.
posted by remo at 1:00 PM on June 13, 2013


I do actually hope they prove me wrong and it is a magical 3 dates.

Now I'm kind of wondering what would qualify as a "successful" reunion show. 90 minutes of great renditions of the favorite songs, or a complete off-the-rails trainwreck ending in disappointment and a blizzard of angry tweets?
posted by JoeZydeco at 1:38 PM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


Maybe I just have a higher opinion of Paul and Tommy's solo stuff than y'all, but to these ears, they still have it.

* That compliment for Paul's solo stuff is strictly for his last ten years or so of work, not the major label stuff he embarrassed himself with in the years right after the Mats broke up.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 2:11 PM on June 13, 2013


That's a good question.

Suicide played their first record at a reunion show as part of ATP NY in 2009 and their set seemed designed to be as abrasive and obnoxious as hell, Alan wasn't signing "right" or anything. Which was perfect.

A friend that loves that record got really pissed off by their performance and stormed out flipping them off. I am actually a little jealous that he felt it that deeply, got what they were going for on that emotional level.
posted by mountmccabe at 2:11 PM on June 13, 2013


Go and have fun if that's your thing

I think it's over-rated
posted by thelonius at 2:21 PM on June 13, 2013


FIne. Sugar reunion (which I would prefer actually) then plz
posted by Senor Cardgage at 2:31 PM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


FIne. Sugar reunion (which I would prefer actually) then plz

Bob Mould's latest album is his best since COPPER BLUE, if that matters to you.
posted by mykescipark at 3:10 PM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


It is pretty darn good yes :)
posted by Senor Cardgage at 3:55 PM on June 13, 2013



What bothers me about this line of thinking is the implication that music has a really short shelf life.


Yeah... I'm 28. I got into the 'Mats through The Hold Steady, and there are 15 year olds who still get a gut-punch when they hear Bastards of Young. Or Alex Chilton. Or I Will Dare. Or Left of the Dial.

Just that serious, gut punchy, earnest, heart on your sleeve rock and roll is PERFECT.

If you like them, check out Sydney band Bed Wettin Bad Boys. They sound exactly the same.

Also: "Being a fuck-up with a good heart is endearing when you're young; if you've not changed by the time you hit your late twenties, well, you're probably just pretty much a fuck-up, and eventually, you become annoying. " - Mark Richardson, writing in Pitchfork about The Replacements



FIne. Sugar reunion (which I would prefer actually) then plz

Bob Mould's latest album is his best since COPPER BLUE, if that matters to you.


They just reunited and played Sydney.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 4:17 PM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


and if they come to Australia, i'll get to see them and Neutral Milk Hotel and i can die happy
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 4:18 PM on June 13, 2013


Let the bad times roll!
posted by jimmythefish at 8:01 PM on June 13, 2013


Fuck school, I got my ticket! I will just be happy to hear some favorite old songs live & crazy again. I've been listening to Mats since I was 15, and I just turned 43. (Oh my, I am one old broad.)
posted by quixotictic at 8:06 PM on June 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


Paul's solo work gets all of the ink, but Tommy, Chris, and Slim all put out good post-Mats records, too:

Chris - Reverse Status
Tommy (Bash & Pop) - Friday Night Is Killing Me
Slim - The Ballad of the Opening Band

Tommy you kind of expect would be good (and he is). Mars' stuff is a surprising delight, like a weird hybrid of the Mats and the Kinks.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:40 PM on June 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


Hmmm...

Replacemats were never my thing. I mean I didn't hate 'em or anything but I could never work up any energy at all about them.
So I checked the roster of the Denver Show and saw 5 bands that I'd watch, 3 of them bands I really wanted to see (Yo La Tengo, Naked Raygun, and Rocket from the Crypt). I'm not sure that's enough for me to put up with some truly horrible bands (Blink 182, really?) and huge masses of drunken frat boys. You kids have fun at your musical event, Ima ride my scooter and remember what it was like to have all of my teef.
posted by evilDoug at 9:25 PM on June 13, 2013


OMG Against Me! are playing Riot Fest Denver and they wrote an album called Reinventing Axl Rose and one of the 'Mats was in Guns and Roses and Laura Jane covered the 'Mats Androgony with Joan Jett live it'd be so awesome.
Brand New, Superchunk, Alkaline Trio are great... and I know Off With Their Heads are playing another Riot date


I heard both Black Flags are going to open.


Snark aside, one of them is... the Denver poster shows 'Black [BLACK FLAG LOGO]'
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 9:43 PM on June 13, 2013


Hey Remo

"Plenty of them still got "it" (Elvis Costello did)"

Holy shit does he still have it. I just saw him do a three hour set at the Royal Albert Hall, with the spinning song wheel, go-go dancers, the works.

Not only does he still have it, he might have it more than he ever has. All the UK papers gave those gigs 5 stars, saying literally, you had to be there.

The band (essentially the Attractions minus Bruce Thomas) was one of the tightest I've ever seen, the drummer Pete Thomas must be 60 and completely kicks ass still, and Elvis's voice is as good as it ever was. Seriously, that wasn't some reunion gig, that was a guy laying out his passion and cleverness with as much feel as ever.
posted by C.A.S. at 4:33 AM on June 14, 2013 [1 favorite]


EC still releases at least one essential album every decade, which is still a pretty good batting average in rock after a certain point.
posted by mykescipark at 9:44 PM on June 15, 2013 [1 favorite]


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