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	<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:07:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 12931</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.egreetings.com"&gt;Egreetings lowers the portcullis.&lt;/a&gt; No longer can you send that flishy-Flashy virtual birthday card for free. Now you&apos;ve got to sign up as an Egreetings member to access all the cards ($12 per year). Luckily, many of their cards are still free, including the indispensable &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.egreetings.com/category.pd?L0=61&amp;L1=502&amp;L2=1045&amp;L3=50726&amp;L4=0&amp;L5=0&quot;&gt;farting&lt;/a&gt; section. Has anyone, so far, spent money on an internet service that was once free but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/premium/intro/index.html&quot;&gt;now costs something&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:46:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>scarabic</dc:creator>		<category>EGreetings</category>		<category>eCards</category>		<category>brokenlink</category>
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		<title>By: me3dia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186461</link>	
		<description>I plunked down $17.95 for premium membership to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nerve.com&quot; title=&quot;think about sex&quot;&gt;Nerve&lt;/a&gt;, but only because I got a subscription to the magazine with it. Considering it&apos;s questionable whether the mag will ever be released again, it probably wasn&apos;t a great move on my part.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:07:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Badmichelle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186463</link>	
		<description>Yup. Funny you should link to that -- I subscribed to Salon. And I&apos;ve been reading it less and less ever since.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:07:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Badmichelle</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: aj100</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186465</link>	
		<description>Scarbic, thank you for posting the farting link.  I have been laughing straight for the past 10 minutes.  Yes, I have the maturity of a five year old.  God bless gas.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:08:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: luser</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186468</link>	
		<description>I was an early Slate subscriber. I still have the umbrella.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:09:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Badmichelle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186475</link>	
		<description>Sheesh -- I forgot about Slate. I have the umbrella too! I stopped reading that one not long after I subscribed. Weird.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:13:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Badmichelle</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mathowie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186480</link>	
		<description>I wholeheartedly agree with &lt;a href=&quot;http://boingboing.net/2001_12_01_archive.html#7680620&quot;&gt;Cory&apos;s post at BoingBoing&lt;/a&gt; regarding this move. I never found any value in getting or sending an ecard to someone, and I couldn&apos;t imagine many people paying for this service.

I currently subscribe to Salon and kuro5hin.org, but only because I wanted to help support them. I haven&apos;t crossed over from any web service I demoed that has since ended up at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theendoffree.com/&quot;&gt;End Of Free.com&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:15:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186482</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Has anyone, so far, spent money on an internet service that was once free but now costs something?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, Excite spent money on a greeting card company that cost something, then gave it away for free. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,28978,00.html&quot;&gt;Sort of&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:19:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ParisParamus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186492</link>	
		<description>e-cards, as well as anything, represent the false content/profit paradigm of the gone .com era.  May egreetings&apos; demise be quick and painless.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:26:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186495</link>	
		<description>Interesting, so some how paying for something made you forget about it?
you&apos;d think after you paid you go back more often, no?

Something in the back of your mind says... what? I pay for this, so it ain&apos;t worth it for some reason?

I wonder if anyone keep stats on this.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:30:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: barkingmoose</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186502</link>	
		<description>I prefer my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jezebel.com/stuff/postcard/index.html&quot; title=&quot;three jezebel.com winter styles to choose from... procrastinators can still send out one of two thanksgiving cards.&quot;&gt;e-cards&lt;/a&gt; without the accompanying banner ads.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:37:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186522</link>	
		<description>I started paying for my services from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecounter.com&quot;&gt;TheCounter&lt;/a&gt; cuz I liked the ease of use.

While I get slightly more than what some of the free hosts seem to provide (I test drove a few before I decided to pay for what I was already using.), there haven&apos;t been any real *extras* that I wasn&apos;t getting when it was free. But since it wasn&apos;t free anymore, and I wanted it, I had to pay.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:53:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jennyb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186565</link>	
		<description>Best &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bastardkids.com/card.html&quot;&gt;cards&lt;/a&gt; are free.

So far nothing I consider indispensible (MetaFilter, Mapquest, um... that&apos;s it) has gone pay. When The Counter stopped being free, I started using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.extreme-dm.com/tracking/?reg&quot;&gt;EXTREMEME! tracking&lt;/a&gt;. Works pretty well, and it has a snappy name.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:21:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jennyb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186567</link>	
		<description>Whoa. An eXTReMe typo, there.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:22:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jennyb</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Badmichelle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186604</link>	
		<description>Blake, I don&apos;t think paying made me forget about those sites. I subscribed in response to frenzied calls for money that they needed because they were going downhill. More than once, I&apos;ve subscribed to paper magazines, only to have them fold one or two issues later. Come to think of it, I&apos;ve subscribed to both &lt;i&gt;Nerve and &lt;i&gt;Bust&lt;/i&gt;. Maybe I&apos;m just a harbinger of doom...  
*sigh*&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:46:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Badmichelle</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ColdChef</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186705</link>	
		<description>I liked &lt;b&gt;MetaFilter&lt;/b&gt; much more before we started having to send Matt $30 in small bills each first of the month.

Wait...what? Just me?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:59:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ColdChef</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: epersonae</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186740</link>	
		<description>I discovered today (my sister&apos;s birthday) that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bluemountain.com&quot;&gt;bluemountain&lt;/a&gt; has gone mostly pay.  (including all the birthday cards.)  I think I&apos;m just gonna start &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.epersonae.com/c-bday.html&quot; title=&quot;did this for my sweetie&apos;s bday&quot;&gt;making my own&lt;/a&gt;, the same way I make my own (paper) Xmas cards.

so far, I haven&apos;t switched to pay for any service yet.  and I can&apos;t think of a whole lot that I would: MeFi, of course, and probably Blogger.  my web host (which I pay for) offers web-based email, so I don&apos;t really &lt;b&gt;need&lt;/b&gt; my free webmail accounts.

the services I use most often, other than that, are my credit union, the bus schedule, and reserving books at the library.  and I don&apos;t see any of those going pay anytime real soon.  :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:50:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: scarabic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186870</link>	
		<description>I have to say I would gladly pay to use Blogger. I bought the Blogger Tee as a show of support. It&apos;s actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maniahill.com/webcam/17.jpg&quot;&gt;a pretty nice shirt&lt;/a&gt; for only $10.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:22:07 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>scarabic</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: hitsman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186880</link>	
		<description>I work as a product manager on a free web site that serves millions of users. We temporarily suspended a few features recently when we ported the product over to a new serving platform. When we did, we had a slew of fans write in asking us to start charging them so they could get their features back. 

Clearly, not everyone is willing to pay, but I think there will be some successful advertising-free pay services that were once ad-supported and free. It&apos;s seems like it would be a lot easier to make money from a core set of  paying subscribers than to fight to make fractions of pennies from them via advertisers in this market.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:36:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: StOne</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#186991</link>	
		<description>Hooray! Maybe people will stop sending me those stupid things. (After the first few, I no longer bothered clicking anything but DELETE when I&apos;d get an e-greeting link in my inbox.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:13:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>StOne</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: fncll</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#187263</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bookmarksync.com/&quot;&gt;I paid for BookmarkSync&lt;/a&gt; only because it had become entrenched in my routine. I thought about paying for Salon, but their new 10,000 ads per minute and interstitials in between policy has forced me to give up on them almost completely. I&apos;m getting ready to take out some textads on both MeFi and Blogger as a means of &quot;paying&quot; for what I see as good service that I want to see stick around!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2001 09:08:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lucien</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/12931/#187527</link>	
		<description>I thought about paying for Salon, but they hired some people who&apos;s work I didn&apos;t want to read, and some people left that I admired. Not all of the stuff they advertised as being in the premium version seemed to in fact materialise, or when it did, it was pretty belated and a shadow of it&apos;s former self, thus I no longer wished to read it.

Perhaps part of the problem is that up till now, sites have often decided on the &quot;premium&quot; and &quot;pay to use&quot; services as a last-ditch effort to get out of trouble. When in fact, they should be implemented when the site is doing well, and is worth every cent. That in a percentage of cases at least, we have become attuned to seeing a request for money as the sign that the site is about to hang up a 404 message on their door. 

*Disclaimer - There are certainly some sites that have started charging that are indeed worth every cent, and the sites in question don&apos;t look like they are about to up and die. I&apos;m just generalising.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:47:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lucien</dc:creator>
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