Bush: Drug users=terrorist lackeys
December 14, 2001 12:41 PM Subscribe
Bush: Drug users=terrorist lackeys George W. Bush says if you just quit drugs, terrorism will go away.
But George, when I do do drugs, terrorists and all sorts of other bad things go away anyway. It's only when I stop that all the shit goes down.
posted by mischief at 12:47 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by mischief at 12:47 PM on December 14, 2001
Funny. Some of us would argue that legalizing them would have the same effect.
posted by RavinDave at 12:49 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by RavinDave at 12:49 PM on December 14, 2001
The bill signed by Bush expands the Drug-Free Communities Support Program, which helps community groups reduce illegal drugs.
oh really? would yahoo care to give us some facts showing how it has helped reduce anything except the balance in the Treasury's checkbook? my bet is that the Program just perpetuates a cycle of violence that could be instantly solved by a simple act of congress - legalization.
posted by danOstuporStar at 1:02 PM on December 14, 2001
oh really? would yahoo care to give us some facts showing how it has helped reduce anything except the balance in the Treasury's checkbook? my bet is that the Program just perpetuates a cycle of violence that could be instantly solved by a simple act of congress - legalization.
posted by danOstuporStar at 1:02 PM on December 14, 2001
Stopping drugs will fight terrorism?
Bush must be high. Or on drugs. Or both...
posted by camworld at 1:02 PM on December 14, 2001
Bush must be high. Or on drugs. Or both...
posted by camworld at 1:02 PM on December 14, 2001
Isn't the only way to stomach George W Bush is when you're high?
posted by benjh at 1:10 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by benjh at 1:10 PM on December 14, 2001
danOstuporStar, actually, it's not yahoo, but AP. But yeah.
posted by tiaka at 1:17 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by tiaka at 1:17 PM on December 14, 2001
Sheesh... the level of intelligence here astounds me. And I never use sarcasm, either.
First: Bush didn't say that if all drug users stopped, terrorism would go away. However, heroin in particular and illicit drugs in general are a major source of income for terrorist organizations, so almost certainly decreased drug use would damage terrorist revenues.
Second: If Bush ever did use drugs, he's stopped, long ago. And that's what he's asking users to do- stop. So even if he used drugs, it's not hypocrisy; it's leading by example.
And as to making drugs legal- we really don't need things that weaken the fabric of our culture, especially now. Alcohol and tobacco are *traditional*- unfortunate, but traditional- parts of our society. They aren't a new twist and they aren't divisive.
This said, the war on drugs is silly. Drugs should remain illegal, but only those stupid enough to do something blatant and get caught should be pursued with prosecution. I happen to think using drugs *makes* one stupid and hence users will still wind up going away. C'est la vie. If you don't think drugs make one stupid, then ya shouldn't have too much of an argument with my thought.
posted by dissent at 1:29 PM on December 14, 2001
First: Bush didn't say that if all drug users stopped, terrorism would go away. However, heroin in particular and illicit drugs in general are a major source of income for terrorist organizations, so almost certainly decreased drug use would damage terrorist revenues.
Second: If Bush ever did use drugs, he's stopped, long ago. And that's what he's asking users to do- stop. So even if he used drugs, it's not hypocrisy; it's leading by example.
And as to making drugs legal- we really don't need things that weaken the fabric of our culture, especially now. Alcohol and tobacco are *traditional*- unfortunate, but traditional- parts of our society. They aren't a new twist and they aren't divisive.
This said, the war on drugs is silly. Drugs should remain illegal, but only those stupid enough to do something blatant and get caught should be pursued with prosecution. I happen to think using drugs *makes* one stupid and hence users will still wind up going away. C'est la vie. If you don't think drugs make one stupid, then ya shouldn't have too much of an argument with my thought.
posted by dissent at 1:29 PM on December 14, 2001
Yeah, I want to live in Bush's world, the suffocating oil-splattered planet in which booze-addled Texans shoot missiles at destitute nations in between sermons about peace and righteousness.
posted by skylar at 1:52 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by skylar at 1:52 PM on December 14, 2001
we really don't need things that weaken the fabric of our culture, especially now.
Don't worry, they're working to tighten up that fabric until it's a proper straitjacket.
posted by rushmc at 1:56 PM on December 14, 2001
Don't worry, they're working to tighten up that fabric until it's a proper straitjacket.
posted by rushmc at 1:56 PM on December 14, 2001
Terrorism, and drug abuse simplified to the nth degree, in little more than a single breath. Good job Mr Bush. This is why I don't vote.
posted by esquilax at 1:58 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by esquilax at 1:58 PM on December 14, 2001
drugs in general are a major source of income for terrorist organizations
a) bin laden got his money in construction, his family's customers got their money in oil. money doesn't fuel terrorism, hatred does.
b) if stopping terrorists' revenues is the goal, legalization is the means
we really don't need things that weaken the fabric of our culture ... Alcohol and tobacco are *traditional*
illegal drugs have contributed a thousand threads to the fabric of our culture actually. on the other hand, assuming you actually mean "society," what does that have to do with terrorism? just b/c nicotine and aclohol are the the West's traditional drug of choice, that doesn't make mine al queda's secret weapon.
but yeah, even tho drugs have *made* me stupid, i can't argue with yr thought that the war on drugs is silly.
posted by danOstuporStar at 2:02 PM on December 14, 2001
a) bin laden got his money in construction, his family's customers got their money in oil. money doesn't fuel terrorism, hatred does.
b) if stopping terrorists' revenues is the goal, legalization is the means
we really don't need things that weaken the fabric of our culture ... Alcohol and tobacco are *traditional*
illegal drugs have contributed a thousand threads to the fabric of our culture actually. on the other hand, assuming you actually mean "society," what does that have to do with terrorism? just b/c nicotine and aclohol are the the West's traditional drug of choice, that doesn't make mine al queda's secret weapon.
but yeah, even tho drugs have *made* me stupid, i can't argue with yr thought that the war on drugs is silly.
posted by danOstuporStar at 2:02 PM on December 14, 2001
i totally agree with what bush is saying, only buy pot grown locally, And from people that you know and trust, who don't deal in heroin, meth & crack.
stop the cycle of violence, grow your own.
posted by th3ph17 at 2:06 PM on December 14, 2001
stop the cycle of violence, grow your own.
posted by th3ph17 at 2:06 PM on December 14, 2001
Well, I've quit smoking pot, so you're all safe.
Sheesh, the things I do for you people.
posted by msacheson at 2:10 PM on December 14, 2001
Sheesh, the things I do for you people.
posted by msacheson at 2:10 PM on December 14, 2001
I believe that we had "bought" the Taliban off and convin ed them not to grow poppies (for a price) but when we went to war with them, we got all sorts of reports of the Northern area, in control now by our "allies" had already begun plantinbg the seeds for a huge crop to send all over but mainly to consumers in the US. We have a program to elimina;te drugs in Columbia, for better or worse, and yet there we are inAfghanistan, with troops and much money to be spent on our new-found allies, and yet they are openly growing opium. The conservatives might have been right: we are unable to fight a two-front "war."
posted by Postroad at 2:16 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by Postroad at 2:16 PM on December 14, 2001
I'm sure Bush would be amused if he knew what I spent my tax refund on...just doing my patriotic duty for the economy.
Funny, the Taliban stamped out most of the heroin trade, whereas our current allies in the Northern Alliance are largely funded by heroin. But this fact is overly complicated, and thus must be ignored by Dubya.
The term DRUGS... come on. We do much more harm than good by telling kids that all drugs are bad and not being honest about the differences. Some rebellious kid smokes pot, and when his head doesn't explode he figures the grown-ups must've been lying about heroin, too. Then he dies.
posted by Ty Webb at 2:18 PM on December 14, 2001
Funny, the Taliban stamped out most of the heroin trade, whereas our current allies in the Northern Alliance are largely funded by heroin. But this fact is overly complicated, and thus must be ignored by Dubya.
The term DRUGS... come on. We do much more harm than good by telling kids that all drugs are bad and not being honest about the differences. Some rebellious kid smokes pot, and when his head doesn't explode he figures the grown-ups must've been lying about heroin, too. Then he dies.
posted by Ty Webb at 2:18 PM on December 14, 2001
And as to making drugs legal- we really don't need things that weaken the fabric of our culture, especially now.
Tell that to John Ashcroft. He is making new laws which infringe upon the Bill of Rights in some pretty obvious ways. I call that a "thing that weakens the fabric of our culture," and much more dangerous than legalization of drugs.
posted by brookish at 2:30 PM on December 14, 2001
Tell that to John Ashcroft. He is making new laws which infringe upon the Bill of Rights in some pretty obvious ways. I call that a "thing that weakens the fabric of our culture," and much more dangerous than legalization of drugs.
posted by brookish at 2:30 PM on December 14, 2001
skallas, i think you're right. i think the coverage of the few million we gave the taliban wasn't so much motivated by how effective it as (after all, the taliban was motivated to stamp out heroin anyway, us support or not, in accordance with its code of morality), but because the administration gave the money to the taliban under the guise of the War on Drugs, just showing how fucked up our priorities were. we would give known terrorists and human-rights abusers money, because the war on drugs pretty much trumps ever other value we have.
posted by brookish at 2:56 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by brookish at 2:56 PM on December 14, 2001
And as to making drugs legal- we really don't need things that weaken the fabric of our culture, especially now.
Oh, I agree - if we stopped pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the enforcement of patently unenforceable drug laws, we'd force thousands of narcotics agents, prison guards, and bureaucrats to find new jobs. How on earth would our society deal with such a blow? It'd be a whole new recession, in the stroke of a pen.
"Our culture" has lost more from the continued suppression of liberty implied by the drug war than it could ever have lost from any amount of drug-taking.
Alcohol and tobacco are *traditional*- unfortunate, but traditional- parts of our society.
What's so unfortunate about alcohol?
And it's not "our" society - it's most of the human societies that have ever existed: humans have been making and consuming alcohol as long as we have any record - perhaps longer, as there are reports of great apes seeking out fermented fruits in the wild.
-Mars
posted by Mars Saxman at 3:11 PM on December 14, 2001
Oh, I agree - if we stopped pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the enforcement of patently unenforceable drug laws, we'd force thousands of narcotics agents, prison guards, and bureaucrats to find new jobs. How on earth would our society deal with such a blow? It'd be a whole new recession, in the stroke of a pen.
"Our culture" has lost more from the continued suppression of liberty implied by the drug war than it could ever have lost from any amount of drug-taking.
Alcohol and tobacco are *traditional*- unfortunate, but traditional- parts of our society.
What's so unfortunate about alcohol?
And it's not "our" society - it's most of the human societies that have ever existed: humans have been making and consuming alcohol as long as we have any record - perhaps longer, as there are reports of great apes seeking out fermented fruits in the wild.
-Mars
posted by Mars Saxman at 3:11 PM on December 14, 2001
>> I think Bush's little deal with the Taliban was more than a little overblown.<<
Not in the context of this story. Bush is making the claim that those who support the drug trade effectively aid terrorists, willfully ignoring the fact that our enemies of the moment, the Taliban, in keeping with their fundamentalist ideology, aggressively fought the good fight against drugs, while our allies of the moment. the Northern Alliance, deal extensively in drugs. The fact that the Bush Administration gave the Talibanis $40 million in "attaboy" money only underscores the fact that Bush is being disingenuous.
posted by Ty Webb at 3:26 PM on December 14, 2001
Not in the context of this story. Bush is making the claim that those who support the drug trade effectively aid terrorists, willfully ignoring the fact that our enemies of the moment, the Taliban, in keeping with their fundamentalist ideology, aggressively fought the good fight against drugs, while our allies of the moment. the Northern Alliance, deal extensively in drugs. The fact that the Bush Administration gave the Talibanis $40 million in "attaboy" money only underscores the fact that Bush is being disingenuous.
posted by Ty Webb at 3:26 PM on December 14, 2001
Drugs are bad, mmkay?
posted by hellinskira at 3:28 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by hellinskira at 3:28 PM on December 14, 2001
" ...I was gonna join the fight against terrorism, but then I got high..."
"Over time, drugs rob men, women and children of their dignity and of their character,'' Bush said. "Illegal drugs are the enemies of ambition and hope and when we fight against drugs we fight for the souls of our fellow Americans."
...unless you never got caught buying coke outside the gates of the family retreat in Kennebunkport, 'cause then you get to be president.
The hypocrisy here is so thick, it completely muffles the screaming agony inside my head. Bush had yet another opportunity to speak from experience but chose instead to live a lie and completely undermine his message. That Bush did plenty of drugs is common knowledge, pretending your house isn't on fire doesn't make the flames go out.
posted by joemaller at 3:51 PM on December 14, 2001
"Over time, drugs rob men, women and children of their dignity and of their character,'' Bush said. "Illegal drugs are the enemies of ambition and hope and when we fight against drugs we fight for the souls of our fellow Americans."
...unless you never got caught buying coke outside the gates of the family retreat in Kennebunkport, 'cause then you get to be president.
The hypocrisy here is so thick, it completely muffles the screaming agony inside my head. Bush had yet another opportunity to speak from experience but chose instead to live a lie and completely undermine his message. That Bush did plenty of drugs is common knowledge, pretending your house isn't on fire doesn't make the flames go out.
posted by joemaller at 3:51 PM on December 14, 2001
If Bush had said "If you quit buying diamonds, you join the fight against terrorism" (or at least against brutal, endless civil wars), would the reaction here have been different?
I suspect markedly so.
posted by dhartung at 4:02 PM on December 14, 2001
I suspect markedly so.
posted by dhartung at 4:02 PM on December 14, 2001
The US did not give ant-drug money to the Taliban.
As already pointed out by aaron.
posted by NortonDC at 4:15 PM on December 14, 2001
As already pointed out by aaron.
posted by NortonDC at 4:15 PM on December 14, 2001
I think that what Mr Bush is saying is that although not all narcotics transactions are result in terrorist financing, some of them do. Therefore it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm glad to know that I'm doing my bit in the global war against terrorism by not taking drugs. In fact, this document says that the 3 major sources of Bin Laden's money are construction, charities and drugs. I always thought builders were a bit crooked, and now that I know they support terrorism, I think I'll be learning to fix up the house myself in future. Not that all builders finance terrorism of course, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Also, I've never really enjoyed parting with my hard earned cash for the sake of some whining charity. In the past people made me feel bad about this. Now I know I'll be helping the global fight against terrorism, I feel a whole lot better about keeping my own pockets loaded.
posted by dlewis at 4:32 PM on December 14, 2001
I'm glad to know that I'm doing my bit in the global war against terrorism by not taking drugs. In fact, this document says that the 3 major sources of Bin Laden's money are construction, charities and drugs. I always thought builders were a bit crooked, and now that I know they support terrorism, I think I'll be learning to fix up the house myself in future. Not that all builders finance terrorism of course, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Also, I've never really enjoyed parting with my hard earned cash for the sake of some whining charity. In the past people made me feel bad about this. Now I know I'll be helping the global fight against terrorism, I feel a whole lot better about keeping my own pockets loaded.
posted by dlewis at 4:32 PM on December 14, 2001
...unless you never got caught buying coke outside the gates of the family retreat in Kennebunkport, 'cause then you get to be president.
And when was this? Sources?
posted by gyc at 4:40 PM on December 14, 2001
And when was this? Sources?
posted by gyc at 4:40 PM on December 14, 2001
Sources?
Some dude named Billy The Hat. Finest 'caine in Maine.
posted by dlewis at 4:50 PM on December 14, 2001
Some dude named Billy The Hat. Finest 'caine in Maine.
posted by dlewis at 4:50 PM on December 14, 2001
"Illegal drugs are the enemies of ambition and hope and when we fight against drugs we fight for the souls of our fellow Americans."
Since when is government authorized to fight for our souls? Didn't we get over that idea following the Salem witch trials? God, it's bad enough he wants to legislate my reproductive tract - now my soul is up for grabs?
posted by phoenix enflamed at 5:29 PM on December 14, 2001
Since when is government authorized to fight for our souls? Didn't we get over that idea following the Salem witch trials? God, it's bad enough he wants to legislate my reproductive tract - now my soul is up for grabs?
posted by phoenix enflamed at 5:29 PM on December 14, 2001
``Illegal drugs are the enemies of ambition and hope and when we fight against drugs we fight for the souls of our fellow Americans.''
What a goober.
posted by Optamystic at 5:57 PM on December 14, 2001
What a goober.
posted by Optamystic at 5:57 PM on December 14, 2001
Hey, George! I'll quit when you do!
posted by crunchland at 7:04 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by crunchland at 7:04 PM on December 14, 2001
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:19 PM on December 14, 2001
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:19 PM on December 14, 2001
So said dissent:
Second: If Bush ever did use drugs, he's stopped, long ago. And that's what he's asking users to do- stop. So even if he used drugs, it's not hypocrisy; it's leading by example.
Says who? You? Do you know the man personally?
No? I didn't think so. Damn, you're clueless.
posted by zeb vance at 4:49 PM on December 15, 2001
Second: If Bush ever did use drugs, he's stopped, long ago. And that's what he's asking users to do- stop. So even if he used drugs, it's not hypocrisy; it's leading by example.
Says who? You? Do you know the man personally?
No? I didn't think so. Damn, you're clueless.
posted by zeb vance at 4:49 PM on December 15, 2001
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but don't fret cause alcohol and tobacco are legal, so they are okay. but this brings up the point that by making drugs legal, the government would be fighting terrorism.
also, is it just me, or does anybody else remember stories of bush and nose candy? so bush is a terrorist lackey too.
posted by chrisroberts at 12:47 PM on December 14, 2001