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	<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:15:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 13180</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.pifmagazine.com/2001/12"&gt;A Good Online Literary Journal That Needs - And Pays For! - Unsolicited Material? No!...&lt;/a&gt; Yes! &lt;b&gt;Pif&lt;/b&gt; magazine, edited by &lt;b&gt;Camille Renshaw&lt;/b&gt;, not only welcomes unsolicited texts but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pifmagazine.com/submit&quot;&gt;actually pays &lt;/a&gt;for the stuff it accepts.  It&apos;s strictly electronic - no snail mail accepted - and has plenty of &lt;a href=&quot;http://pifmagazine.com/writers_only/view.php&quot;&gt;ads from other zines soliciting submissions&lt;/a&gt;. It also gives writers a chance to offer their services.
Although the subscription to the full contents is $25 a year, there&apos;s a lot of interesting free material on its website, e.g. an interview with &lt;b&gt;Rick Moody&lt;/b&gt;.  
They&apos;ve raised $10000 so far and there&apos;s a pleasing, against-the-grain &lt;b&gt;spirit&lt;/b&gt; to the whole thing! Can things perhaps not be as bad as we think?

(&lt;small&gt;From browsing &lt;b&gt;Metafilter&lt;/b&gt;, thanks to a very helpful comment by &lt;b&gt;Muckster&lt;/b&gt; in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/9746&quot;&gt;this thread&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2001 05:30:21 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MiguelCardoso</dc:creator>		<category>Pif</category>		<category>zine</category>		<category>literary</category>		<category>literature</category>
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		<title>By: ook</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13180/#191575</link>	
		<description>Plus, they publish &lt;a href=&quot;http://pifmagazine.com/2001/12/b_n_clapp1.php3&quot;&gt;my wife&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s reviews. So they &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; be cool.

&lt;font size=-2&gt;sorry - hadda get that plug in&lt;/font&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: muckster</title>
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		<description>That&apos;s funny, ook, because they also publish &lt;a href=&quot;http://pifmagazine.com/2000/05/f_derm.php3&quot;&gt;my wife&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://pifmagazine.com/vol28/f_derm.shtml&quot;&gt;fiction&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;small&gt;yeah, i know, but how could I resist&lt;/small&gt;.

So, yes, I also think Pif rocks. Now, if they only started accepting the husbands, too. Other online mags that pay for short fiction are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vestalreview.net/selection.html&quot;&gt;Vestal Review&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nerve.com/&quot;&gt;Nerve&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://fictionline.com/&quot;&gt;Fictionline&lt;/a&gt; also deserves another plug.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:25:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mattpfeff</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13180/#191697</link>	
		<description>(Do I have to marry one of their other writers in order to post a comment here?)

The Moody interview is interesting. I agree with his observation that most online writing that extends beyond 500 words becomes very hard to keep interest in, for me at least. But I&apos;ve also wondered if the web might not be perfect for the lost art of the serial novel. Granted, it&apos;s a tremendous burden on a piece of fiction that something interesting (i.e., capable of sustaining ongoing interest in the thing as a whole) has to happen every 500 or even 1000 words, but then some of the best art comes out of challenges and constraints like that, no?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:47:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: muckster</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13180/#191728</link>	
		<description>I agree wholeheartedly with matt and Moody about the length of web fiction. After a screen or two,  I just can&apos;t be bothered. Serialized novels are a great idea. I think for the same reason, the web has   seen a resurgence of short short or &quot;flash&quot; fiction -- stories with   a max word count of 500 or so.

Some good mags publishing short shorts: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.absinthe-literary-review.com/&quot;&gt;Absinthe  Literary Review&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barcelonareview.com/&quot;&gt;Barcelona Review&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drunkenboat.com/&quot;&gt;Drunken Boat&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eclectica.org/&quot;&gt;Eclectica&lt;/a&gt;,   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elimae.com/&quot;&gt;elimae&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flashquake.org/&quot;&gt;Flashquake&lt;/a&gt;,   &lt;a href=&quot;http://webdelsol.com/InPosse/&quot;&gt;In Posse&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lapetitezine.org/&quot;&gt;La Petite Zine&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.linnaeanstreet.com/&quot;&gt;Linnean Street&lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://sushi.st.usm.edu/mrw/&quot;&gt;The Mississippi Review&lt;/a&gt; &lt;font size=&quot;-2&quot;&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://sushi.st.usm.edu/mrw/2001.html&quot;&gt;self-link&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/font&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pigironmalt.com/&quot;&gt;Pig Iron Malt&lt;/a&gt;, and, again, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vestalreview.net/&quot;&gt;Vestal  Review&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, for writers looking for feedback and workshops, I highly recommend signing up for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zoetrope.com/&quot;&gt;Zoetrope&lt;/a&gt;, a bustling online writing community. They now have a flash fiction wing. Look out for my man Eric Bosse.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:47:23 -0800</pubDate>
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