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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:48:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 13296</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.thevintageportsite.com/"&gt;The Holiday Season Without Vintage Port?  Unthinkable, Dear Fellow!...&lt;/a&gt; But what vintage?  I suggest the &lt;b&gt;year&lt;/b&gt; you were born.  Find out what your Vintage Port was like;  how it&apos;s drinking now and what it says about &lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt;  particular harvest (&lt;small&gt;&lt;b&gt;More inside&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/small&gt;) </description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:40:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MiguelCardoso</dc:creator>		<category>alcohol</category>		<category>port</category>		<category>vintage</category>		<category>year</category>		<category>wine</category>
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		<title>By: MiguelCardoso</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194218</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fully mature, but well cellared(...) will be perfect for many decades to come&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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That&apos;s what it says about my particular vintage, 1955.  So select the year of your birth in &quot;Vintage Search&quot; and get your own fruity diagnosis, along with weather details and other surprises.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The problem with Vintage Port is, of course, the price... But, if price were no object, here, deep in Port country, would be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.relaischateaux.com/site/fr/FicheAdherent?RcCode=vintage&quot;&gt;the ideal place &lt;/a&gt; to drink it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:48:40 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MiguelCardoso</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: stuporJIX</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194223</link>	
		<description>1982:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Small harvest&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That&apos;s getting a bit personal!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:20:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dlewis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194224</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Exceptionally dry, lacking freshness and past it&apos;s high point.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Great site, Miguel. Two years ago if you&apos;d have offered me a port I would have told you I can&apos;t stand the stuff. Then a friend came back from a visit to Portugal with a truckload of decent bottles and I haven&apos;t looked back since. Here&apos;s to a port drenched Christmas!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:25:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: headspace</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194226</link>	
		<description>They skipped my birth year entirely. Apparently 1973 was only good for disco, and my parents.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:28:35 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>headspace</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: davehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194227</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The good &apos;75&apos;s will grow old gracefully and are in good shape. They are elegant and well balanced but not big.&lt;/i&gt;

I&apos;ve got one somewhere. I think its at my Dad&apos;s, so I&apos;ll have something to hunt for over the festive stay at the old&apos;s house. Thanks for the reminder Miguel.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:33:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brettski</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194252</link>	
		<description>Headspace - they skipped 1971 too.....  Anyone have any idea why?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 05:14:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MiguelCardoso</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194272</link>	
		<description>Headspace and brettski: the truly magnificent years are &quot;general declarations&quot; - all the Port houses declare a &quot;vintage year&quot;, meaning the harvest is exceptional. This only happens two or three times a decade and are the years that really count. Then there are partial declarations, when Port houses disagree and only some declare the year&apos;s wine worth the Vintage label.&lt;br /&gt;
Port houses&apos; reputations stand on the reliability of their declaring policy, so the top 30 houses will only commit to a Vintage year when they&apos;re absolutely sure the wine will be outstanding.&lt;br /&gt; If they make a mistake, the market punishes them severely.
Then there are years - I&apos;m afraid 1971 and 1973 are among them - when the harvest is so poor not even the smaller and disreputable Port houses declare.  The wine is still very good, of course, but ages in a cask, as most Port does(Vintage Port being the only one which ages in the bottle), and is then bottled as LBV(late bottled vintage), &quot;colheita&quot;(single harvest), &quot;crusted&quot;, &quot;tawny&quot; or any of the other many qualities of Port.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:00:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MiguelCardoso</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: asok</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194294</link>	
		<description>1970&lt;br /&gt;
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A classic Vintage, with great balance, good structure, and long-lived wines. One of the absolute finest Vintage Ports of the last 50 years. Declared by all the major houses.&lt;br /&gt;
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not my year of birth, but the year of vintage of my port, bought before my birth by my maternal grandfather. better open another bottle this xmas!&lt;br /&gt;
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mmmm, porty. *smug grin*</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:28:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: asok</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194296</link>	
		<description>sorry about all the page breaks, i am a bit spaced out!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 06:29:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UncleFes</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194314</link>	
		<description>There really is nothing like sitting in front of a fire in a leather club chair, snow coming down outside, enjoying a fine port and a five-dollar cigar. I&apos;ve managed to do it &lt;i&gt;once &lt;/i&gt;in my life (Christmas Eve Eve, 1998, Denver). I will never forget the feeling, it was richly Victorian.&lt;br /&gt;
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Bravo on the link, Miguel.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:00:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UncleFes</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194315</link>	
		<description>Any idea how the 2000 ports are turning out? I&apos;m thinking of buying a couple for my son (along with a couple of other reds that will age well) and laying them down for his graduation from Harvard in 2022.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:04:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: briank</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194335</link>	
		<description>Ah, vintage port!  Nectar of the gods!  Miguel, you have made my day with this link.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;1963 &lt;br /&gt;
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A monumental Vintage of legendary proportions that needs no introduction. One of the 20th Century&apos;s finest. A Vintage Port against which all others are judged. Declared by all the major Port houses.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:-)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:42:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chacal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194338</link>	
		<description>I took the fabled wines class at Cornell (well, at least semi-fabled) and when we did our week on ports, sherry, etc. The professor mentioned that it&apos;s a great (although a bit bourgeois) gift when people have a child. buy an immature vintage port from their birth year..by the time they&apos;re old enough to drink, it&apos;ll be fabulous.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:45:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: machaus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194348</link>	
		<description>If you are looking for a bottle of port in your favorite wine shop here in the states, keep an eye out for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.broadbent-wines.com/wines.html&quot;&gt;this inporter&apos;s label&lt;/a&gt;.  They bring in the good stuff.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:57:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: epersonae</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194374</link>	
		<description>wow, thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;1974: Drinking now, although may appear somewhat light.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a bottle that my father bought the year I was born, which I was supposed to have gotten on my 21st birthday, but my mother had forgotten about it.  I&apos;ve been holding onto it for a couple of years, not sure whether to drink it, trying to imagine a good occassion.  perhaps I will find one soon....</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:39:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kafkaesque</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194385</link>	
		<description>My dad gave me a vintage port on my 21st birthday, though he gave me a 70 and I was born in 71. I got hooched with a buddy one night and we drained most of the bottle, along with about a half a pound of stinky stilton. (Half A Pound Of Stinky Stilton is a good name for a Holiday Inn bar band by the way). When next I saw him I told him about the incident and he was somewhat less than non-plussed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I do enjoy a good Port now, though. Here&apos;s a good Port tip: If you are hanging out with a bunch of snooty Port drinkers, relaxing on overstuffed chairs and hemming and hawing like John Houseman, take a moment to pull out some surgical tubing from the pocket of your smoking jacket, and yell at the top of your lungs: &quot;PORT BONG! PORT BONG!&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Port guys love that.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, a good way to enahnce the flavor of your Port is to enjoy it with some &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://amishshop.com/cgi-local/hazel.cgi?client=86672976&amp;action=serve&amp;item=rccigar1.htm&quot;&gt;Backwoods Cheroots&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, awesomely trashy cigarillos which resemble pre-chewed Slim Jims (The picture&apos;s on that page a ways down, just scroll on down, stopping briefly at the Amish Cigars).</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:52:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kafkaesque</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Kafkaesque</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194386</link>	
		<description>woah! What happened with the br thingys?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:53:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RobertLoch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194400</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m genuinely gutted. I wasn&apos;t born in a vintage year. That probably explains a lot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:13:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RobertLoch</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rushmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194535</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mature now, but the best...will age well for years to come.&lt;/i&gt;

Let us hope....</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:17:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UncleFes</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194541</link>	
		<description>Backwoods smokes! Chewy and delicious. And they come in a wonderful to fool with aluminum-foil lined packet. Suh-weet.

And you can &lt;i&gt;light &lt;/i&gt;&apos;em!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:25:58 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>UncleFes</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: briank</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194557</link>	
		<description>I would never waste vintage port by drinking it while smoking a cigar.  Not that I don&apos;t enjoy a good cigar, but you want to be able to taste what you&apos;re drinking.  Stilton is also probably too strong a cheese for good port, though I&apos;ve never tried the combination.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:51:55 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>briank</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: UncleFes</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194558</link>	
		<description>Nah, briank, it&apos;s the flux of tastes and the interaction between the two that makes the difference. The entire sensory picture. Smoke scores the tastebuds, the port soothes them.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:55:21 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>UncleFes</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Kafkaesque</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13296/#194564</link>	
		<description>...and the Jasco finishes the job.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:15:00 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kafkaesque</dc:creator>
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