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Soft In The Middle: The Contemporary Softcore Feature in Its Contexts (110 page PDF excerpt) is an academic study of the Softcore Pornography industry by David Andrews, published by Ohio State University Press in 2006. A genre that for all mainstream intents and purposes peaked with Basic Instinct and then died in the early 90's with Body Of Evidence and Color Of Night, the Erotic Thriller has since been relegated to the notoriously erotic Cinemax late night lineup of new series productions like Forbidden Science, Life On Top, and The Girls Guide To Depravity which if nothing else prove that even in todays pornscape of instantly available, free hardcore available anywhere and anytime there remains a place for Softcore.
posted by mediocre (57 comments total) 17 users marked this as a favorite

 
Goodnight, Skinemax: The Death of Soft-Core Porn
posted by the man of twists and turns at 3:24 PM on January 29


Yeah, they changed the name of a programming block but kept the actual programming the same and ramped up the On Demand options by several degrees. Softcore Porn is the biggest ticket on cable television, whether its dressed up in fancy clothing on Game Of Thrones or just getting to the damn point already on Hollywood Sexcapades, soft porn isn't going anywhere.
posted by mediocre at 3:29 PM on January 29


Game of Thrones isn't really softcore porn though, according to the definition you linked to on Wikipedia or according to the book you linked to which says this
Used generally, “softcore” refers to any feature-length narrative whose diegesis is punctuated by periodic moments (typically between eight and twelve, though more is not exceptional) of simulated, nonexplicit sexual spectacle. This dichotomous mix of narrative and “number” lends softcore its identifying format and rhythm
It's fine for people to think it's porn-y. I sometimes get worried someone is going to look over my shoulder when I'm watching The Tudors on my ipad at the gym because it has some racy spots, but I think one of the points this guy is trying to make is that there is a category of entertainment that is explicitly designed to be sexual and yet at the same time isn't explicit like hardcore stuff. This is the stuff between Game of Thrones and Deep Throat, that's what the "middle" in the book title refers to. The book specifically called Basic Instinct a "Hollywood formulation" and didn't seem to call it softcore at all.
posted by jessamyn at 3:41 PM on January 29 [3 favorites]


Anyone who hasn't just sat and watched softcore pornography, not on a computer, but on a big screen, with the lights dim, soft music playing, NOT BEATING OFF, maybe some cognac, maybe with a special friend, candles, you're missing out.

Softcore pornography forces you to slow down and get in touch with yourself, no pun intended.
posted by Teakettle at 3:42 PM on January 29 [5 favorites]


I admit I was painting with an unreasonable broad brush in my comment about Game Of Thrones. It is hardly an exclusively softcore production. But it is hard to deny that the sexuality was ramped up considerably from the inspiration text. It's a common complain of those who make episodic television for premium networks, the pressure to include nudity or sex where it would not otherwise be sensible or of any relation to the plot at hand. See: Dream On, a comedy that ran for six seasons on HBO in the 90's and every episode included at least one softcore scene whether or not it made any sense in the context of the episode.
posted by mediocre at 3:48 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


Anyone who hasn't just sat and watched softcore pornography, not on a computer, but on a big screen, with the lights dim, soft music playing, NOT BEATING OFF...

Can you be more specific? Are you talking about the more titilating softcore from Cinemax like any of the series I linked above, or something more like an Erotic Thriller film. More story, less fake sex/awesome saxophone music, et al?

I'll admit to preferring Cinemax style softcore for my pornography needs, macro closeups and the neverending barrage of neverending barrages omnipresent in hardcore porn just never did it for me. That and I grew up with more Red Shoe Diaries, less Swallow My Children 18: The Swallowning.
posted by mediocre at 3:51 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


There's a time and a place for everything. Swallow my children is great if you're on the go, running out the door. But if you're unemployed? Give yourself an experience.
posted by Teakettle at 3:56 PM on January 29 [4 favorites]


Metafilter: the lights dim, soft music playing, NOT BEATING OFF
posted by Huffy Puffy at 4:01 PM on January 29 [46 favorites]


I'm at the risk of posting too much in my own topic thread, but I'm curious to hear what everyone else thinks on the topic of sites like Beautiful Agony. No nudity, but real masturbation and (presumably) real orgasms. Highly erotic, but rarely any actual nudity. Would you classify this as hardcore or soft?

Metafilter: the lights dim, soft music playing, NOT BEATING OFF

Eponystironical!
posted by mediocre at 4:10 PM on January 29


I actually make beautiful agony type videos of myself and send them to companies that won't hire me
posted by Teakettle at 4:12 PM on January 29 [7 favorites]


Oh, David Duchovny, you read those Red Shoe letters like you were looking for aliens.
posted by octobersurprise at 4:15 PM on January 29 [3 favorites]


Man, I am so glad I do not have David Andrew's job.
posted by IndigoJones at 4:20 PM on January 29


Page 7, chapter 1, mentions a distinctive stable of composers including (1) Herman Beeftink, whose music sounds like this. Or this.

No further comment.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 4:28 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


Eponystironical

More like eponystrokical, amirite?
posted by Dip Flash at 4:31 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


But bad jokes aside, I agree with Jessamyn that softcore is different from the Tudors and similar sexed up shows. I think softcore fills the role of "couples pornography" for a lot of people, racy enough to get you both turned on but not so graphic as to make anyone say "Put the what in the what? No way! Yuck!"

Plus of course the high class stroke experience described above. Porn is the furtive cheap beer or flavored whiskey, but with softcore you could open some decent wine and have the masturbatory equivalent of a girlfriend experience escort service.

(In truth I've only ever seen one or two softcore films because the cheesiness pains me, but people are very open about enjoying them; there's little of the shame that actual porn provides.)
posted by Dip Flash at 4:43 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


No further comment.

And somehow, Destroyer can put something like this out that just SCREAMS erotic thriller soundtrack and be fellated by every would be Pitchfork reviewer?
posted by mediocre at 4:43 PM on January 29 [4 favorites]


a distinctive stable of composers including (1) Herman Beeftink, whose music sounds like this.

Herman Beeftink is the softcore audio guy. The hardcore audio guy is called Hardon Beefstink, and his music sounds more like this. (or it would, had TKK not already claimed that territory)
seriously how are they not in any porns already
i mean aside from tour vids I'm sure

posted by FatherDagon at 4:45 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


In truth I've only ever seen one or two softcore films because the cheesiness pains me

As I read the article I can see that I misspoke. He's including the European exploitation movies which I've always thought of as a different beast than the 1990s US late night cable stuff.
posted by Dip Flash at 4:51 PM on January 29


And somehow, Destroyer can put something like this out that just SCREAMS erotic thriller soundtrack and be fellated by every would be Pitchfork reviewer?

Aw, no, I meant that, for what it was, it was perfect. It's the porniest porno music. No further comment because no further comment was necessary. No dis intended here.

And for what it's worth, the value of that Destroyer album is in how pitch-perfect a pastiche it is of yacht rock/erotic thriller/just damn cheesy music in the first place.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 4:56 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


I'm just putting together a playlist for my climbing gym. I wasn't considering putting any Destroyer on it but The Laziest River will actually be perfect - thanks.
posted by Flashman at 5:11 PM on January 29


Sadly the preview doesn't include Chapter 9, which is all about my former employers. I see some familiar names in the Notes to Chapter 9, dishing a little dirt.

I had one (fully clothed) line in a Playboy produced Skinemax movie, I wonder if it got mentioned...
posted by davros42 at 5:11 PM on January 29


My teenage years in Nova Scotia in the late 1990s coincided with TQS's Bleu Nuit, which was basically a late-night timeslot where they they played softcore porn dubbed into French.

So... Yeah.

I've saw enough softcore porn in those years to surmise that all softcore porn that has ever been made was shot on the set of Miami Vice by the crew of Miami Vice during the run of Miami Vice.
posted by Sys Rq at 5:41 PM on January 29 [3 favorites]


I only watch softcore porn for the articles.
posted by dry white toast at 5:42 PM on January 29 [3 favorites]


It seemed that as a youth, anytime I would stay up late, long after my parents went to bed, to sneak a veiwing of HBO's Real Sex I would always end up catching an episode about a swinger's club for the elderly.
posted by sourwookie at 5:49 PM on January 29 [15 favorites]


Remember how you would wait for like ten minutes staring at the violet wavy lines for them to part for three seconds of bouncing boobs

And then how that three seconds of bouncing boobs would last you all season

Kids today with their on-demand bouncing boobs
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:58 PM on January 29 [15 favorites]


Metafilter: the lights dim, soft music playing

Hey, that actually sounds pretty gr-

NOT BEATING OFF

GOOD DAY, SIR!

*furiously closes account*
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 6:01 PM on January 29 [4 favorites]


Metafilter: Put the what in the what?
posted by Apropos of Something at 6:05 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


DON'T COME IN, MOM, I'M CONDUCTING AN ACADEMIC STUDY!
posted by Ghostride The Whip at 6:24 PM on January 29 [4 favorites]


I would always end up catching an episode about a swinger's club for the elderly.

You just described at least one segment in every single episode of Real Sex. It is like the whole series was conceptualized to turn the no-other-options teens of the late 80's slash early 90's onto gerontophilia.

That and Golden Girls. I LOVED Golden Girls growing up, and I always recognized that Blanche was a bit of a tart. But re-watching it was almost disturbing, I never realized the actual amount of humor in that show was sex-based. I was a little kid, learning a lot about sex through osmosis from Beatrice Arthur.
posted by mediocre at 6:31 PM on January 29 [6 favorites]


Actual porn is something your boyfriend's roommates are watching in the other room, and you hear them say "What is that? Is that...motor oil?"

I'm trying to remember if I actually ever watched any softcore porn, but we just never had the right cable channels when I was of age to be interested.

Porn aside, in fact, I'm not sure I've ever seen a really hot sex scene in a movie. Makeout scenes, yes. Sexual tension, sure. But movie sex scenes are generally so prudish, fake or perfunctory that I tend to assume they aren't worth seeking out.
posted by emjaybee at 6:48 PM on January 29


Softcore porn's 10 thrusts followed by a climax and a snuggle very much mirrored my own teenage sexual abilities. I've mostly grown out of it but I never did figure out how hardcore actors pound like jackhammers for 45 minutes.

Softcore porn I could watch with my girlfriend or wife, while 99.99% of hardcore porn I could never show a woman without being forced to apologize repeatedly.
posted by furtive at 7:13 PM on January 29 [2 favorites]


I never did figure out how hardcore actors pound like jackhammers for 45 minutes.

1. It's their job, and they're qualified.
2. Editing.
posted by Sys Rq at 7:31 PM on January 29


3. Edging.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:32 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


I admit I was painting with an unreasonable broad brush in my comment about Game Of Thrones. It is hardly an exclusively softcore production. But it is hard to deny that the sexuality was ramped up considerably from the inspiration text.

I'll deny it. It's roughly as sexual as the source material. It's just that we're so used to TV productions scaling way back on the sexual material in written works that it seems weird when one doesn't. Not that I think fidelity is the motivation behind the sex in the show (BOOBIES&BUTTS is the real motivation) but the books are full of lots of sex. Hell, they scaled back a bunch of it from the books because it would be too objectionable with live actors.

As to softcore porn on Cinemax, it is best enjoyed furtively in the middle of the night with a scrambled signal. Is that a breast? An elbow? Neither? Who knows, but it's hot!
posted by Justinian at 7:43 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


4. Viagra
5. Fluffers
posted by Justinian at 7:43 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


6. Cocaine.

That's only a half joke, it's a whole lot of #1 listed above. The primary skill of the men of porn is in their control, size tends to take a back seat to the ability to acutely control their climax. Some famously include "countdown" scenes where the woman will.. well.. count down, and the pro behind the thrusting always gets it right on cue no additional takes necessary.
posted by mediocre at 7:46 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


My memory might be hazy, but I feel like the softcore porn of the early 90's on Cinemax and Showtime was actually a lot more explicit than the stuff they show nowadays. I think they used to have a lot of European movies and specifically made for cable/vhs porn movies that had a lot of really beautiful actors/actressess with a lot of full-frontal nudity and lingering close-ups on curves, butts, etc. For the last 10 or so years it's been mostly just highly edited versions of mainstream porn movies with anything vaguely explicit edited out.
posted by skewed at 7:47 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


I never did figure out how hardcore actors pound like jackhammers for 45 minutes.

Askme to the rescue!
posted by ceribus peribus at 8:05 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


I used to watch this stuff in early adolescence, in the early aughts. Around the time the "adult" block started on Cinemax, I would ease quietly out of bed, which was difficult, because my brother and I slept in bunks; grab a pair of headphones, if possible; and sneak over to the living room. My family lived in an apartment with only a few rooms, so I could never concentrate fully on what I was watching, because I would have to change the channel immediately if my brother or my mother came out to use the bathroom or to see why the TV was on so late at night. I'm not sure what exactly I said to them on the few times they came out. I was dumb and, whatever it was, I doubt it convinced them.

This went on for some time before I discovered the internet. Its convenience was a relief.

Seeing it now - the dated haircuts, the silly music, the not-good-but-not-outright-bad video quality - brings me back, if only a little, to that old fear of any noises coming from my right, which fact amuses me way more than any part of the movies themselves.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 8:10 PM on January 29 [1 favorite]


Dream On

Yeah that show was ridiculous...I was way too young to be sneaking a peek at it but clearly the formula required one boob shop per episode minimum. Better if whipped cream is included. But always one boob shot.

There's a meta-aspect to that show in that I was sitting there watching HBO and all sorts of weird shit as a latchkey kid much like Martin Tuttle or whatever the character's name was, but I ended up getting a computer and dorking it up there in a more mercifully interactive state of zone-outage after the age of 9.

We had "The Movie Channel" growing up and during the weekend was "Joe Bob Briggs' Drive-In Theatre" which featured usually B-horror or sci-fi movies prefaced by an Ernest P. Worrell-esque character who was always sure to summarize the "breast count" and sightings in the upcoming movie.

All of the softcore I've seen seems to have some devious plot that makes it less relaxing and worthwhile for me to watch. Oh they're having sex now, then she'll kill him and eat his balls or something. Maybe I'm exaggerating, but I think it all started with Poison Ivy and Wild Things, which totally bordered on the "obviously softcore, not quite?" margin.

Porn itself has gone way too far; luckily X-art is pretty decent though I can see them making slow inroads into the more crappy stuff over time.
posted by lordaych at 9:04 PM on January 29 [2 favorites]


Real Sex

Yes, with the elderly swingers and middle-aged hippies with fuck swings and whatnot. Ultimately that's what it was, "real people and their sexual kinks and stuff" but I was hoping for "real sexy times for teenagers to enjoy."

I still remember one about Cicciolina that was interesting, a harbinger of things to come in Italian politics...
posted by lordaych at 9:10 PM on January 29


Dip Flash: As I read the article I can see that I misspoke. He's including the European exploitation movies which I've always thought of as a different beast than the 1990s US late night cable stuff.

I don't think his films made it to Skinemax, but Tinto Brass was undoubtedly the master of that genre. Each film was gorgeously shot with a nearly perfect balance of T&A and art.

Looking back on this threads mentions of clandestine viewings and staring at scrambled channels, this is the 21st century masturbatory equivalent of "I walked uphill in the snow six miles both way to get to the little one-room schoolhouse and we LIKED IT that way.". Kids today and their "Internet... which is like a cold-fusion reactor of endless, renewable pornography that can be summoned with little more than a click or tap." (from the article). The kids of today will never have to watch Cinemax fare where the actors mash midsections in what could charitably be considered a parody of sex.

And Real Sex! Virtual Valerie could make a killing as a Smartphone app... Just sayin', Mr. Copyright Holder.
posted by dr_dank at 9:28 PM on January 29


scrambled signal

Those analog cable boxes were weird and the scrambling was so superficial but I was never sophisticated enough or had enough money to experiment with defeating them, buying a descrambler, messing with the cable box, etc. I grew up with a couple of models in the late 80's / early 90's and have a few stories.

1) My favorite one involved the scrambling itself. You might recall that sometimes when you hit a scrambled channel you'd have a few seconds of pretty clear picture, or roving bands of visible picture and then it would go all pear shaped, every so often fluctuating back into some visible picture. Lots of pinks and purple shading that I recall. I heard that the scrambling was deliberately intended to entice you but I suspect it was a combination of "this is the easiest way we can scramble it and it'll cost more to kill sound and such" and "hey that kind of teases people into getting interested in buying the service, yay!"

Skinemax was channel 16 if I recall and I knew it was naughty but Playboy Channel had just emerged on the scene, so my friend and I frequently farted around trying to make out an elbow or a boob as said above. Once I took it upon myself to rapidly flip back and forth between Playboy and the next channel above it, and suddenly the scrambled signal became completely visible with just slight color distortion but full-screen visibility for 30 minutes. I distinctly remember watching a blonde nude "bunny" with a straw hat walking around the countryside all naked-like! How about that?

2) I'm pretty sure our TV was plugged directly into at least one of them over the years so that it would turn on as soon as the box was turned on. Well, one time I went to turn the box on and before I could reach the button, it shocked the shit out of me with a visible arc that looked about an inch long, stunning my elbow a bit...and the whole box and TV flickered on for a few seconds before turning back off. I was a static magnet to the max and was fond of sticking my finger into low wattage light sockets, so I think it was special superpowers that never developed.

3) Once we got a free HBO preview weekend that ended up lasting three years, three years of free HBO FTW. Maybe because it was accomplished by people going around and screwing with coax filters, and they never came and re-adjusted ours? It's not like they were flipping a switch that delivered us unscrambled signal with no monthly charges...?

I can't think of an explanation otherwise knowing what limited stuff I do know about old-school cable, but the parents loved it and there were no parental controls so I watched a ton of it over the summers.

4) Oh shit, we have HBO now? Meanwhile I've got a 9" B&W special that picks up 4 channels (#fwp). I lived in the basement where my dad's den was also located. He had a coax amplifier, necessary at the time since we only paid for one TV and had a crappy signal, which boosted a coax signal running from the TV upstairs so he could watch whatever was on upstairs from the basement.

This used a coax-to-rabbit ears antenna adapter ("balun") since his basement TV only had the rabbit-ears connection. I was an enterprising lad who loved to raid my dad's supplies of electronics and wires and shit, and had been hoarding a 50-foot piece of very transparent speaker wire for some time. I finally worked up the courage one afternoon to run this along the currugated metal ceiling (cheap house, unfinished basement) which made it pretty easy to hide. My first experience with clean cable runs. Not that I like doing it any more :)

This wire pair connected the antenna posts from my dad's TV to my black and white TV, and this is how I got to watch Basic Instinct around the age of 12-13. He didn't discover it until we moved out of that house and was impressed with its simplicity -- "maybe I didnt't even need the amplifier myself, I could'a blah blah blah..."
posted by lordaych at 9:32 PM on January 29 [7 favorites]


Well, we'll always have Lifeforce.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 10:14 PM on January 29


All these stories of sneaking Cinemax remind me of the great fun I had in hotels in the 90s. In high school, I travelled occasionally for athletics competitions and if the team wasn't billeted with families from the hosting club we'd be put up in cheapish hotels.

To a hotel, the pay-per-view stuff was protected by a box that was connected to the TV. The channels were present, but scrambled in that lo-fi wavy-lines way that many here are probably familiar with. You'd call down to the lobby or just incur a charge directly through the TV, and the box would unlock the selected channel for a set duration.

The thing of it was, the actual signal coming over the coax into the room wasn't scrambled. The coax would go to the box, which scrambled the signal until it was unlocked, and then a second cable would go to the TV. If you took the box out of the loop and just plugged the room's cable directly into the TV, you got everything. And I do mean everything. There were movie channels, but the porn channels were most certainly not softcore.

I got a bit of a reputation for apparently doing magic to unlock a room's TV in a few minutes, since for some reason no-one else had figured out how simple this was. That was the main enjoyment to be had, since with four guys to a room it was otherwise pretty awkward. I guess this wasn't a big issue for hotels, since I think I only ever saw one attempt at stymying the hack. A metal cylinder had been placed over the unscrewy bit of the cable on the box end, but a pair of pliers and a bit of patience soon sorted that out. I tried to restore the original setup whenever we checked out, and as far as I know we never got caught.
posted by figurant at 10:45 PM on January 29 [5 favorites]


I remember being perpetually confused about who was the real Emmanuelle.
posted by klangklangston at 11:24 PM on January 29 [7 favorites]


Porn aside, in fact, I'm not sure I've ever seen a really hot sex scene in a movie. Makeout scenes, yes. Sexual tension, sure. But movie sex scenes are generally so prudish, fake or perfunctory that I tend to assume they aren't worth seeking out.

I've heard girls mention that the sex scenes in Cold Mountain are pretty grade-A as movies go, but YMMV.
posted by JauntyFedora at 12:11 AM on January 30


"Joe Bob Briggs' Drive-In Theatre"

Oh, man. I love Joe Bob. I When I lived in Denver, I used to go out to the drive-in with Mrs. Example, my brother, and as many other people as possible. Before the sun went down and the movie started, we'd all gather in front of our cars, raise our right hands, and recite Joe Bob's Drive-In Oath:
We are drive-in mutants.
We are not like other people.
We are sick.
We believe in blood,
In breasts,
And in beasts.
We believe in Kung Fu City.
If life had a vomit meter,
We'd be off the scale.
As long as one single drive-in
Remains on the planet Earth,
We will party like jungle animals,
We will boogie till we puke.
Heads will roll.
The drive-in will never die.
Amen.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 1:14 AM on January 30 [1 favorite]


The biggest reason I couldn't stand Babylon 5 was it just looked like softcore porn: all that marble treatment, the ridiculous desks, the quality of the actors. It was all like some kind of Sharper Image catalog fuck fest was about to take place.
posted by bleep-blop at 4:19 AM on January 30 [4 favorites]


klangklangston: I remember being perpetually confused about who was the real Emmanuelle.

The late, great Sylvia Kristel. Don't be fooled by imitations.
posted by dr_dank at 4:38 AM on January 30 [1 favorite]


I had cable in the mid-80s but we only had HBO. In addition to trying to catch a boob/elbow on the scrambled channels as mentioned above, we would search the guide for R rated movies and then painstakingly program the VCR to record them. Oh, how I wore out certain sections of Hardbodies, I, The Jury, The Hitchhiker (which was sort of a softcore Twilight Zone show), Body Double, and Hot Dog. All pretty tame, and pretty awful, by today's standards but, still, boobs on TV!

That and Never by Heart and a couple of Sheena Easton videos got me through the early years of puberty.
posted by bondcliff at 6:26 AM on January 30


That was the main enjoyment to be had, since with four guys to a room it was otherwise pretty awkward.

Adding porn makes four guys in a room a less awkward situation?
posted by Dip Flash at 6:46 AM on January 30 [3 favorites]


"I used to go out to the drive-in with Mrs. Example, my brother, and as many other people as possible."

And that's the unwanted ambiguity of a serial comma.
posted by klangklangston at 8:09 AM on January 30


When I think of softcore I think of Russ Meyer...
posted by judson at 9:05 AM on January 30


It's funny having people bring up "Dream On" in this context, because my folks never had any premium channels when I lived at home (probably still don't, come to think of it), but they played "Dream On" in syndication on Comedy Central.

I loved that show: I did notice that every single episode seemed to focus on otherwise unremarkable everyman Martin Tupper getting laid by a different bombshell (or two), but I mostly liked it for the use of vintage movie clips as inner monologue/reaction shots.

At some point I had a friend who had HBO clue me in on how much was being edited out of every episode. It blew my mind, like there was a version of Seinfeld out there where Kramer was constantly bringing over topless strippers for Jerry to roll his eyes at.
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 11:05 AM on January 30


The Hunger (narrated by David Bowie for some strange reason) used to be on at 11:30pm directly before F1 races at midnight on the only local channel I got for a while so I'd catch the end of it quite a bit. The horror of it was often better than the sex. Why anyone would choose that as the lead in to auto racing I never figured out.
posted by Mitheral at 6:49 PM on January 30


I would always end up catching an episode about a swinger's club for the elderly.

Back to the future!
posted by Pudhoho at 7:58 PM on January 30 [1 favorite]


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