Q. So back in the 1960s you knew that it was not just an intellectual position for Walter; correct?
A. I knew that intellectually. I didn't have any physical awareness of it.
Q. Didn't Walter tell you that he was sleeping with [Victim X]?
A. He did. But you know how it is when you're told something, and everything people say needs people to say it and one to hear it.
Regarding no citation for the daughters mental illness-The statement that she is a professional singer and harpist is not cited either. In fact, Moira Breen/Sterns professional career consists of playing the harp Friday nights at a local Starbucks in Reno Nevada. She also has a self-published DVD available on her website and was edited out of one background/extra role in a feature film. The point is taken, however, and I will not insert the info with a citation. She is a sad legacy of a talented but very disturbed author.Chief1 01:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Q yjn3n :
I remember reading an article sometime wayy back about your stance on vaccinations. Something about inferring that you were against vaccinating, care to clarify? (Say it isn't so.)
A BSPINER :
I'm not against vaccinating. My son goes to a pediatrician who is a very fine Dr. and doesn't believe in rampant vaccination. If it's needed, he vaccinates. But, he doesn't believe in giving vaccinations for diseases that don't exist in this country. He's very pro vaccination for areas where those diseases are prevalent.
A. I thought of [Johnny Doe 1] as a little boy that came
over the house, and he used to sit on my lap.
Q. Did you think [Johnny Doe 1] was of the age to make
decisions whether or not he could have a sexual
relationship with Walter?
A. I was sort of ambivalent about that. [Johnny Doe 1]
was like a stray cat that somebody put out on the
street, and I think he was surviving any way he could.
Q. That would include having sex with older men?
Though they've disappointed me plenty in the past, I expected better from them than talking about MZB's legacy and not addressing any of the downsides, particularly since at least some of this information (about her covering up Walter Breen's crimes) is apparently very well known in fandom.
However, almost all Berkeley fans dislike G---- so no one cared much.
Alva agreed saying that he wanted to protect his kids of course, but that the situation was adequately handled at his house by having them barricade themselves in their orom.
I know from observation that he "cuddles" and has sex play with younger ones. But what I'm not so sure about is whether or not this sex actually hurts the kids.
But apparently, for guys like Frenkel - well, he did lose his job at Tor, but he's still allowed to volunteer at cons and be part of that part of the sf community. Why? Because despite his documented harassment, that part of the community has apparently decided that his presence is more important than the safety of the women who attend, or the presence of women he has harassed.
I read and reread her daughter’s words this week. I read, too, portions of MZB’s own court deposition (from her husband’s trial, also for child abuse) that I hadn’t read before. Then yesterday I took a deep breath, and I added up the advances from my two Darkover sales, my Darkover royalties, and (at his request) my husband Larry Hammer’s payment for his sale to MZB’s magazine.
Q. Okay. So at that time it was your belief that a 13-year-old child was perfectly able to make their own decisions regarding sexual contact with adults?
A. Oh, really, a-13-year-old child? I wasn't a child at 13, were you?
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