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	<title>Comments on: Comments on 13984</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:49:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 13984</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,49831,00.html"&gt;Kazaa halts downloading&lt;/a&gt; at least until a court decision.  Does this really matter, as you&apos;re only blocking distribution of the client from the kazaa site.  The &quot;servers&quot; still run, and people can still download the client from any other site.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:32:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>milnak</dc:creator>		<category>Kazaa</category>		<category>filesharing</category>		<category>music</category>
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		<title>By: SweetJesus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208375</link>	
		<description>This is ironic...... 

I went to re-download Kazaa last night, because after running ad-aware on it and removing it&apos;s spyware componates, it wouldn&apos;t work.  Oh well, there&apos;s always Direct Connect or something.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:49:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>SweetJesus</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ttrendel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208390</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m sure this is still relatively easy to get through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edonkey2000.com&quot;&gt;eDonkey&lt;/a&gt;. Just run a serach for kmd.exe.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:07:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ttrendel</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kickerofelves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208407</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.musiccity.com&quot;&gt;Morpheus&lt;/a&gt; runs on the same network as Kazaa and accesses the same files. 

Plus, Morpheus is promising access to the Gnutella network with it&apos;s next release.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:40:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kickerofelves</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: wibbler</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208414</link>	
		<description>how come Morpheus is allowed to continue when Kazaa isn&apos;t?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:53:00 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>wibbler</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: tsarfan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208421</link>	
		<description>this is a bell that cannot be unrung.

last year we called this Napster.

this year it&apos;s KaZaA.

i call it the number one killer app since since Word and i will buy a drink for whatever teen genius creates the next one.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:07:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tsarfan</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: nedrichards</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208435</link>	
		<description>Kazaa&apos;s a Dutch company I believe and Morpheus is a US company.

Whether Kazaa can shut either the FastTrack network or themselves doesn&apos;t really matter now, the distributed cat is out of the bag and nobody is ever going to &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to pay for music ever again. IMO (never humble) it will say something abnout society whether we can sort out a means to pay our artists fairly or whetehr we&apos;ll jut drive them all out of business.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:27:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>nedrichards</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dlewis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208437</link>	
		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://gift.sourceforge.net/&quot;&gt;OpenFT&lt;/a&gt; project is aiming to make an open source, ad-free implementation of the FastTrack protocol. Not sure how much progress they&apos;re making, but they did do a very impressive job of reverse engineering the encrypted search protocol a while back.

The fun thing about FastTrack/Kazaa/Morpheus/Grokster is that although the search protocol is encrypted, the transfer protocol is just plain old HTTP. If you know someone&apos;s running a copy of Kazaa on say, host www.metafilter.com, then you can pull up their file list in a web browser by loading http://www.metafilter.com:1214/

Of course, it&apos;s finding the computer with the file you&apos;re looking for in the first place that is the hard part.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:34:38 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dlewis</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Zurishaddai</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208454</link>	
		<description>Is Morpheus considered as chock full o&apos; spyware as Kazaa?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:09:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Zurishaddai</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: willnot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208484</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, it&apos;s finding the computer with the file you&apos;re looking for in the first place that is the hard part.&lt;/i&gt;

Google to the rescue? Seriously, for all that Google should focus on their core competencies stuff that surfaces whenever they come out with a new search feature, if they could bring their genius to locating music on line (and not get sued out of existence which is why this is more fantasy than probability), then that would pretty much rule. And as long as I&apos;m dreaming, what if they cached the files too so that even if the host machine went off line you could still access the songs?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:03:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>willnot</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: CrayDrygu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208504</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Is Morpheus considered as chock full o&apos; spyware as Kazaa?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Morpheus has no spyware.  Ads, but no spyware.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:30:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>CrayDrygu</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kindall</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208517</link>	
		<description>Ah, but Google can already be used to find MP3s. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davezilla.com/archives/00000737.html&quot;&gt;Here&apos;s how&lt;/a&gt;. Props to machaus...</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kindall</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: srboisvert</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208531</link>	
		<description>Morpheus has popup ads.  It opens a browser window on occassion in addition to the ads in the program window.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:22:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gd779</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208541</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Morpheus has popup ads. It opens a browser window on occassion in addition to the ads in the program window.&lt;/i&gt;

No it doesn&apos;t.  At least, not as of version 1.3.3.  You&apos;ve probably got some spyware left over from Kazaa or some other such program: try &lt;a href=&quot;http:\\www.lavasoftusa.com&quot;&gt;ad-aware&lt;/a&gt;.

And, on Morpheus, if you want to get rid of the ads on the bottom of the screen, I highly recommend Skallas&apos; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts.html&quot;&gt;host file&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:55:55 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gd779</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: gd779</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208543</link>	
		<description>(Kazaa can open a browser window even when it&apos;s not running.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:56:57 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gd779</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: stavrosthewonderchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208547</link>	
		<description>Minor point, perhaps, as Morpheus is an excellent tool, but this 

&lt;i&gt;No it doesn&apos;t. At least, not as of version 1.3.3. You&apos;ve probably got some spyware left over from Kazaa or some other such program: try ad-aware.&lt;/i&gt;

is not strictly true, for me, at least. Morpheus still pops up the rare ad window (blocked by the hosts file, which I use), and I am, at least according to ad-aware, spyware free.

Regardless, I recommend it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:07:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>stavrosthewonderchicken</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: majick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208575</link>	
		<description>I know I&apos;m getting to sound like a broken record, but whenever someone mentions pop-up ads, I&apos;m more or less obligated to point out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.proxomitron.org/&quot;&gt;The Proxomitron&lt;/a&gt; again and again.  It&apos;ll easily filter out the JavaScript that&apos;s executed to pop &apos;em up.

I never see ads in Morpheus or anything else, thanks to this thing and -- once again -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.waldherr.org/junkbuster/&quot;&gt;the Waldherr version&lt;/a&gt; of the venerable but still quite servicable &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.junkbusters.com/ijb.html&quot;&gt;Internet Junkbuster&lt;/a&gt;.  With these two tools in place, you get to kaibosh far more ads than the hugest hosts file is going to catch.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:38:58 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>majick</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: nedrichards</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#208660</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alltheweb.com&quot;&gt;AllTheWeb&lt;/a&gt; has a really good mp3 search. They&apos;re from FAST a very nice norwegian search engine. The Opera of search engines.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:03:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>nedrichards</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ZachsMind</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/13984/#209109</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://ourworld.cs.com/genestump/reprint.htm#mp3&quot;&gt;This guy&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s actually selling his mp3s. Obscure ones only, or so he says. He claims the cost is to cover the money out of his pocket, but at a minimum order of $4 for one song, sounds like a scam to me. He also claims to &lt;i&gt;&quot;assume no responsibility is involved with violating copyrights, royalties, etc..&quot;&lt;/i&gt; but isn&apos;t it correct to say the very act of selling copyrighted works is infringing on copyright law? Even the work of garage bands can be copyrighted. Heck, if there was a legal way to do this, I would have been selling mp3s years ago.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:18:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ZachsMind</dc:creator>
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