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	<title>Comments on: Comments on 14270</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:45:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 14270</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.trillian.cc/index.html"&gt;Trillian Users blocked from AIM service?&lt;/a&gt; The bit about this that scares me is the solution to the problem involves &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=7624&quot;&gt;disabling the Secure IM functions&lt;/a&gt;.  Is this a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002jan/gee20020129009990.htm&quot;&gt;technical glitch &lt;/a&gt;or a conspiracy by AOL to reserve the ability to spy on our IM chats? Or build intentional &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.com.com/2100-1023-800754.html?legacy=cnet&quot;&gt;security loopholes&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:42:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeffy</dc:creator>		<category>instantmessaging</category>		<category>computers</category>		<category>software</category>		<category>AIM</category>		<category>Trillian</category>		<category>conspiracy</category>		<category>security</category>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214298</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m connected now and all day and have had no problems communicating with AIM users</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:45:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: starvingartist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214302</link>	
		<description>I haven&apos;t been able to connect to the IM server through Trillian at all today.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:53:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>starvingartist</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Rebis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214303</link>	
		<description>If I try to log on to AOL through Trillian, I get kicked off almost instantly.
Also, as I write, the Trillian website seems inaccessible.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:54:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Rebis</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: eyeballkid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214306</link>	
		<description>Got to love the metafilter. I just downloaded trillian on a new client at work and I can get into everything but my AOL account. Then I came here and, voila, information.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:55:03 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eyeballkid</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: eyeballkid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214308</link>	
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many of you reported difficulty connecting to AOL this morning, and the fix is to go into your preferences (Prefs-&amp;gt;AIM-&amp;gt;Misc) and turn off the &quot;Activate SecureIM Capabilities&quot; feature. 

NOTE: If you still cannot login and receive a &quot;you&apos;ve logged in too many times&quot; error, wait 5-10 minutes for the flag to clear on the servers. 

We are working on re-activating SecureIM as soon as possible. Note that it appears to still work under ICQ at the moment. 

Our apologies for the inconvenience. 

- Scott Werndorfer.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
from the trillian site</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:56:29 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eyeballkid</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jennak</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214309</link>	
		<description>Can I just say that I refuse to use Trillian because the &quot;blocking&quot; function doesn&apos;t really work?  You think that the people you are blocking can&apos;t see you, but they can -- and when they message you, you can&apos;t block them until you do a bunch of silly things.  (Unblock, block again, and a possible restart, etc.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:56:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jennak</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: briank</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214310</link>	
		<description>Ditto the no-connection to AIM even after turning off the SecureIM feature, although the status window recommends trying again in 10 mins (as does the Trillian site).

I hope it&apos;s not deliberate.  This latest version of Trillian has been great.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:56:40 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>briank</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: eyeballkid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214315</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t think that it&apos;s deliberate as much as it&apos;s AOL fixing a hole and not really caring if Trillian still works or not (it&apos;s not their job to keep Trillian informed of updated).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:00:03 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eyeballkid</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: davehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214331</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Note to self:&lt;/b&gt;

From now on, &lt;b&gt;first&lt;/b&gt; check metafilter,&lt;b&gt;then&lt;/b&gt; log into Trillian

&lt;small&gt;As if it could be any other way..........&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:14:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>davehat</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: judith</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214347</link>	
		<description>aol on trillian has worked all day for me. it looks to be a temporary glitch affecting some, but not all users.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:29:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>judith</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Nauip</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214349</link>	
		<description> Bloking works fine for me, jennak. And in Trillian (IcQ side) when I set it to &apos;only accept messages from users on my list&apos; I really only get messages from users on my list. IcQ can&apos;t manage to get that right.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:31:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nauip</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: bkdelong</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214358</link>	
		<description>May I suggest &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/trillianusers/&quot;&gt;the following mailing list&lt;/a&gt; as well, which appears to be one of the only functional ones as I cannot seem to access Trillian.cc or CeruleanStudios at the moment.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:40:55 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bkdelong</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jennak</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214470</link>	
		<description>Nauip -- it can&apos;t do AOL blocking though.  I don&apos;t know why.  It blocks &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; from contacting them, but not the other way around.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:08:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jennak</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: waxpancake</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214478</link>	
		<description>I had the same problem, immediately checked the Trillian community forums for the fix, and was back on in five minutes.  Yay, community.  Boo, AOLTimeWarnerTurnerHBOCNNinemaxCompuserveNetcapeMoviefoneNewlineSubPopElektraColumbiaRhinoCorp, Inc.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:21:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>waxpancake</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: riffola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214511</link>	
		<description>I thought Sony owns Columbia</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:17:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>riffola</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: brownpau</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214587</link>	
		<description>I was downloading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imici.com&quot;&gt;Imici&lt;/a&gt; (because &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trillian.cc&quot;&gt;Trillian&lt;/a&gt; hangs my poor Cyrix P-233) when I read this. Gosh, does the AOL login problem happen with other integrated IM apps too?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:33:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>brownpau</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mossy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214592</link>	
		<description>It seems to happen with all of them from time to time - JabberIM had huge difficulties with AOL blocking them when I was using it - I seem to remember some nasty messages from the AOL end popping up in my connection status window - &quot;non AOL client, go and get a proper one&quot; and stuff like that..

That all stemmed from when Microsoft Messenger tried to interoperate with AIM I think I recall, and AOL don&apos;t like Microsoft for some odd reason..

I&apos;m doing some work on chat clients at the mo at work and it looks like they may be getting slightly closer - XP Messenger uses a new standard protocol that all the major players (Yahoo and AOL basically :) are agreeing on grudgingly, so one day we may not have to have 4 different contact lists..

Oh, and I just found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patchou.com/msgplus/&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; for people who use Microsoft Messenger - Messenger Plus. Enjoy..</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:47:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mossy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: bitdamaged</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214635</link>	
		<description>These are common issues on 3rd party AIM clients.

They liked killing everybuddy for Linux pretty regularly for a while

AOL doesn&apos;t like people using their service without using their client (and ads)  just gotta suck it up if you want to use the better software.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:03:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bitdamaged</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rushmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214657</link>	
		<description>Trillian rules (love the windows at 20% transparency!).  And I&apos;m having no trouble accessing AIM.

What I can&apos;t figure is why anyone would use MS Messenger, given that you have to sign up for a Passport to use it?  (Not to mention that Trillian is so sleek.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:07:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rushmc</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: briank</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214680</link>	
		<description>The Trillian problem may be a version thing.  At work with 0.71 I was getting disconnected; at home with 0.70 no problem at all.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:05:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>briank</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jcterminal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214834</link>	
		<description>the problem is aol doing something to make &apos;secureIM&apos; invalid. yes, it&apos;s aol&apos;s doing. no, it doesn&apos;t affect .70, becuase .70 doesn&apos;t have secureIM.

the above fix works. 

now i go over and set fire to aol&apos;s headquarters.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:23:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jcterminal</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: geist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#214996</link>	
		<description>I was bumped yesterday and I made the fixes and it worked fine, this morning I come in and we are back to the errors....anyone have ideas?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:34:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>geist</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: seitz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#215058</link>	
		<description>Yesterday (Tuesday) I had no problems. This morning it wasn&apos;t working (with 0.71). I downloaded 0.72, which has SecureIM &quot;forcefully&quot; disabled. But it still doesn&apos;t work.

What&apos;s weird is that yesterday I could also get to their website fine, but today I&apos;m having intermittent problems getting through. Though I can tracert to their web server.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:43:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>seitz</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dagnyscott</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#215107</link>	
		<description>Trillian crashed my computer when I installed it, so I went back to using regular ol&apos; AIM. Until I installed Linux. Right now I&apos;m on GAIM (which also supports ICQ, yahoo, etc., which I&apos;m very happy about) and it&apos;s not given me any problems.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:30:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dagnyscott</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: DyRE</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#215118</link>	
		<description>Disabling SecureIM hasn&apos;t helped me (using 0.71 - Cerulean&apos;s site seems to be having problems again so I haven&apos;t downloaded 0.72 yet). The weird thing is I haven&apos;t been able to connect with AOL&apos;s AIM client either on my own screenname (but I was able to get on accidentally with a friend&apos;s who left auto-login on when he used the programme on my computer).

Grr.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:39:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DyRE</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: physics</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#215210</link>	
		<description>yesterday disabling secureIM fixed the problem, today it&apos;s a no go no matter what. hopefully this is due to upgrades on aol&apos;s part and not on a deliberate attempt to block out trillian. if aol thinks trillian is bad for their business they&apos;re definitely wrong, as i never used aol until i used trillian.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:42:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>physics</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lynda</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#215357</link>	
		<description>They&apos;ve posted a brand new version on the website that will fix the AOL problem.  .72&lt;b&gt;1&lt;/b&gt;.

Hopefully this won&apos;t happen again for a while.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:11:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lynda</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: esch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#215623</link>	
		<description>I haven&apos;t been able to get to the trillian site for 3+ days now.

Anyone have a heads up as to the deal with this?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:19:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>esch</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: DyRE</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14270/#215734</link>	
		<description>esch, I had not been able to access &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trillian.cc/&quot;&gt;the site&lt;/a&gt; for a while either (or when I did it took forever for a single page to load). I just downloaded 0.721 a moment ago though and it looks like their back up.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:14:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DyRE</dc:creator>
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