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	<title>Comments on: Comments on 14916</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:50:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 14916</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.nandotimes.com/entertainment/story/257783p-2411453c.html"&gt;Multiethnic Barbie.&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barbie.com/catalog/product.asp?type=&amp;subtype=&amp;product_id=1001693&amp;fromsearch=1&quot;&gt;picture&lt;/a&gt;) &quot;&quot;It would be really boring if there were all white people,&quot; says the fourth-grader, who also likes her dolls to portray people she knows - from her half-Asian cousins to classmates of all races.&quot; Of course, nobody she knows probably has Barbie&apos;s proportions...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:45:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>owillis</dc:creator>		<category>barbie</category>		<category>dolls</category>		<category>brokenlink</category>		<category>ethnicity</category>
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		<title>By: Red58</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228425</link>	
		<description>Oh yeah. Now girls of all races can develop that insufficient feeling.

But one step forward, two steps back. At least other races exist in Barbie-world now.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:50:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ColdChef</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228430</link>	
		<description>Lordy, looks a little like Lucy Liu.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:54:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ColdChef</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: techgnollogic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228432</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t look like He-Man, but I&apos;m doing ok.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:56:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: skallas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228434</link>	
		<description>An unrealistic standard of beauty for all!

Remember the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yojoe.com/action/01/zartan3.shtml&quot;&gt;Zartan&lt;/a&gt; GI Joe toy that changed color in sunlight?  

&quot;Oh its sunny out, today you&apos;re going to be black barbie!&quot;

Just trying to save the parents some cash.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:58:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: betaray</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228461</link>	
		<description>Oh no! a toy looks like a stylized version of a person! Down with fisher price little people! Down with lego people! I don&apos;t want my kids thinking that they have to grow up to have bulbous heads on armless bodies to be happy!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:24:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bjgeiger</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228468</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/HealthyWoman/GMA020219Emme_doll.html&quot;&gt;The Emme Doll&lt;/a&gt;-&lt;i&gt;A new doll called Emme was one of the hottest products launched at the American International Toy Fair last week. The full-figured doll, decked out in a black cocktail dress and platform sandals, was inspired by real-life model Emme, the world&apos;s leading plus-size model. Emme has twice been named one of People magazine&apos;s &quot;50 Most Beautiful&quot; people.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:30:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ZachsMind</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228471</link>	
		<description>So when are they gonna come out with a little green alien Barbie?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:32:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ZachsMind</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228487</link>	
		<description>role models abound! now you can get &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/toys/B00005BXWW/pictures/14/102-1729322-6704163&quot;&gt;black teenage mother working at mcdonalds&lt;/a&gt; barbie!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:46:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wulfgar!</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228532</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m just waitin&apos; for Satan goth love-slut Barbie.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:22:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Wulfgar!</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: owillis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228539</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chillibomb.com/barbie/pages/goth-barbie_jpg.htm&quot;&gt;Is this&lt;/a&gt; close enough Wulfgar! ?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:27:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228566</link>	
		<description>Meanwhile, Mattel officials insisted that they would not run afoul of local or federal gun laws while forcing children to buy their product at gunpoint.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:53:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228571</link>	
		<description>over the years, barbie has remained very &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trygve.com/visible_barbie.html&quot;&gt;visible&lt;/a&gt; spokesdoll for various causes like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocities.com/sackowski/gn10.html&quot;&gt;medical marijuana&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rock1053.com/features_barbie.html&quot;&gt;tourettes syndrome&lt;/a&gt; and  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saunalahti.fi/~jylppy69/Barbie1.swf&quot;&gt;sex education&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:59:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: treywhit</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228575</link>	
		<description>Who&apos;s to say that a white Barbie isn&apos;t multiethnic? Still, my Filipino-Irish-English-French-German daughter will certainly love and want one of these.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:02:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sammy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228588</link>	
		<description>quonsar: Kelly is Barbie&apos;s little sister, not her kid. Just clearing that up for you ;-)

I&apos;m interested in that Emme doll bjgeiger posted about - I found a &lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.msn.com/TheCottageCouturiereofNJ/tylerwentworth.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&amp;PhotoID=42&quot;&gt;better picture&lt;/a&gt; if anyone else interested in a closer look.

I think multi-ethnic/dolls of all races are a good idea. Most little girls are going to want to play with Barbies, whether idealistic parents like it or not - I know I played with them and any body image issues I have are unrelated to the toys I played with. Barbie is a fun distraction, and even now I like to see what new models they&apos;ve come up with when I visit toy stores. I&apos;m glad to see that Mattel is increasing their line of dolls to portray different ethnicities.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:16:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ZachsMind</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228602</link>	
		<description>Or maybe the polka-dotted paisley The Spy Who Shagged Me Barbie. 

&lt;b&gt;Sammy:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;..Kelly is Barbie&apos;s little sister, not her kid. Just clearing that up..&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Barbie can&apos;t have children. She&apos;s anatomically incorrect. Yes, I looked. When I was seven.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:27:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228603</link>	
		<description>Given that Mattel went out of their way to &lt;a href=&quot;http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/1997/11/24/tidbits.html&quot; target=&quot;first_window&quot;&gt;spoil the fun&lt;/a&gt; of a man who told the truth about Barbie a few years ago, I&apos;m not impressed with their assembly line doll-as-bimbo sexism as applied to multiple ethnicities.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:28:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228606</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Barbie can&apos;t have children. She&apos;s anatomically incorrect.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;eeew. what&apos;s THAT got to do with it? mr. stork can still deliver the goods.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:34:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hotdoughnutsnow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228615</link>	
		<description>Great, what&apos;s next - a Black G.I. Joe?

is it me, or haven&apos;t they already had plenty of &quot;other&quot; Barbies before? Hell, they have one in a wheelchair... 

wake me when they have &quot;proportionally correct barbie&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:45:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dark Messiah</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228626</link>	
		<description>They already have a black GI Joe... His name was &quot;Stalker&quot;.

As for the Barbies; a wench by any other name....</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:05:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bingo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228645</link>	
		<description>Wulfgar! :&lt;i&gt;I&apos;m just waitin&apos; for Satan goth love-slut Barbie.&lt;/i&gt;

If only more girls would grow up playing with one of those, the world would be a beautiful place.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:32:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pudders</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228688</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Emme has twice been named one of People magazine&apos;s &quot;50 Most Beautiful&quot; people.&lt;/i&gt;

Jesus, what a bunch of politically correct schlock.  She&apos;s a &lt;b&gt;doll&lt;/b&gt;, for pete&apos;s sake.

That said, she&apos;s quite a fine-looking doll.  She&apos;s got class all over that Barbie chick.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:39:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric Lloyd NYC</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228704</link>	
		<description>They could save on production costs and reach the suburban &quot;wannabe&quot; demographic-----&amp;gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wildcrazy.com/Funnypics/barbie1.jpg&quot;&gt; Gangtsa&apos; Bitch Barbie&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:10:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eric Lloyd NYC</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dogmatic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228754</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;wake me when they have &quot;proportionally correct barbie&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Don&apos;t know if anyone else has noticed, but Barbie is a hell of a lot &lt;a href=&quot;http://outreach.missouri.edu/hesnutrnews/97-6/97-6nutr.htm#Barbie&apos;s%20Shaping%20Up&quot;&gt;more anatomically correct&lt;/a&gt; now than she was just five years ago. Barbie used to look like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aigachicago.org/images/pubs/Barbie.jpg&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, all thin with joins that bent in the wrong way and an impossibly small waist...Barbie&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barbie.com/catalog/images/products/girls/53457_9993_main.jpg&quot;&gt;new look&lt;/a&gt; is a bit different: she has a wider tummy and hips, and her legs bend further down than they did before. While the new dolls are modeled after a thin girl for sure, I don&apos;t believe the dimensions of the current dolls on scale would be impossible models of real live human beings.

Anybody have the current real-life dimensions of a Barbie doll?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:03:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bingo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228775</link>	
		<description>I wouldn&apos;t kick Emme out of bed for eating crackers.  But Barbie has a prettier face.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:32:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dong_resin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228776</link>	
		<description>I &#9829; Goth Barbie.

That Emme doll just looks like a regular barbie having been microwaved.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:34:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lotsofno</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228794</link>	
		<description>I square barbie, as well... I square her so very very much.

honestly, i like the emme dolls a lot more than the whole lot (including the o.g. barbie.). more power to her.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 04:01:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carol Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228814</link>	
		<description>Mattel is trying to catch up with some of its competitors, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redherring.com/mag/issue87/mag-getrealgirl-87.html&quot;&gt;Get Real Girl.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 05:31:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carol Anne</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: turaho</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228834</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Emme has twice been named one of People magazine&apos;s &quot;50 Most Beautiful&quot; people.

Jesus, what a bunch of politically correct schlock.  She&apos;s a doll, for pete&apos;s sake.&lt;/i&gt;

I&apos;m fairly certain that People chose &lt;a href=http://www.emmesupermodel.com/&gt;Emme, the real life person&lt;/a&gt; as one of their &quot;50 Most Beautiful&quot; people, not the doll.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:40:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: crush-onastick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228877</link>	
		<description>okay, the &lt;i&gt;tribune&lt;/i&gt; calls the emme doll &quot;plus-sized&quot; and then says she&apos;s size 12.  last time i checked (which would be, oh, yesterday, when i was buying a new suit) 12 is *regular* size.  sold in the non-plus-size section.  many retailers even carry size 14 (which is, of course, larger than 12) in the non-plus size section of the store.  that&apos;s a serious inaccuracy for a major newspaper.  and all junior departments have sizes ranging from 0 to 14. 

the other problem i have with the emme doll: she&apos;s priced way out of the toy range, so heralding her as a healthy toy role model for little girls is ridiculous.

that aside, she&apos;s one luscious doll.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:57:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: biscotti</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#228902</link>	
		<description>Heh...from the ABC news link about the Emme doll: &quot;Revlon recently signed Emme, making her the first &lt;b&gt;full-sized&lt;/b&gt; model ever given a cosmetic contract.&quot;  How incredibly accurate (logically, then Kate Moss-oids are &quot;part-sized&quot; or &quot;half-sized&quot;?)...I wonder if that was a slip (I hope not, it has a different tone than &quot;full-figured&quot; and &quot;plus-sized&quot;).  

crush-onastick: it says elsewhere in that article that Emme (the person) wears a size 16 (not a size 12).</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:35:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: HTuttle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/14916/#229082</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Down with lego people! I don&apos;t want my kids thinking that they have to grow up to have bulbous heads on armless bodies to be happy!&lt;/i&gt;

I agree, betaray. I&apos;ve been cursed with striving all my life to fulfill the Mr. Potatohead body type I was indoctrinated with as a child.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:17:27 -0800</pubDate>
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