Burning bridges over (already) troubled waters
May 24, 2015 7:24 PM   Subscribe

The music of the legendary Simon and Garfunkel seems to still have a life of its own, long after they broke up in 1970. The great songwriter Paul Simon went on, of course, to have a highly successful solo career, and Art did a few films and several albums. They reunited for several tours over the years (most notably, Central Park in 1982, full concert here, and the on-and-off, often acrimonious friction has been widely reported. In this new Art Garfunkel interview, the singer cuts loose again on Simon and the results are not pretty. (You may want to read the comments below the piece Rolling Stone did on this, many are quite insightful)
posted by Seekerofsplendor (45 comments total) 16 users marked this as a favorite
 
Sounds like they both have a Napoleon complex.
posted by dhammond at 7:52 PM on May 24, 2015 [1 favorite]


I love the stuff he did with Oates.

Oh, wait.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:55 PM on May 24, 2015 [22 favorites]


Also: Flashback: Paul Simon Forgets Art Garfunkel on 'Saturday Night Live' is hilarious and kind of sad. In the same way as Marina Abramović & Ulay at MOMA in 2010.
posted by Monkey0nCrack at 7:58 PM on May 24, 2015 [2 favorites]


If only one of the stories out there is true, the one about the Hearts and Bones album, then Garfunkel is being more than charitable.
posted by Flexagon at 8:00 PM on May 24, 2015


I love Paul Simon's work; I have the greatest respect for his skills and talents. At the same time, it seems clear from what evidence is available that he is an exceedingly difficult individual and pretty self-centered. Fortunately, I don't need to personally get involved in these conflicts and can just enjoy the music. A lot of artists are difficult and flawed, no better than the general run of humanity, and we shouldn't expect them to be.

What comes through more is a sense of sadness that Garfunkel hasn't been able to find his own intrinsic sources of support and an independent evaluation of his own talents that would render Simon's judgments irrelevant. I don't think he's gotten there, so I have a certain sense of sympathy for Simon, as well, who has this person dogging him long after their collaborations, lobbing character-assassination grenades. It's hard to imagine a world in which Paul Simon wouldn't have been a successful musician and songwriter. It's hard to imagine a world in which Garfunkel without Simon would have.
posted by Miko at 8:11 PM on May 24, 2015 [18 favorites]


Like the tagline of the Telegraph article says, it's been 45 years. For. tee. five. years. It's a bummer when great artists have terrible egos and personalities (which both of them, but particularly Simon, have long been proven to have), but nothing tragic or unique. Most groups do not work together forever; many split acrimoniously. How wasteful, to spend your twilight years, long after you've gone on to do lots of other projects and endeavors, to spend it bitterly bitching about something that happened a lifetime ago.
posted by missmary6 at 8:12 PM on May 24, 2015 [7 favorites]


It's hard to imagine a world in which Garfunkel without Simon would have.

that's unfair, as garfunkel had several hits without simon in the early 70s

what it really comes down to is this - paul simon's first solo album isn't something that i think garfunkel would have been able to add anything to - art's singing just doesn't have the intimacy the material demands, nor has he ever sang (by himself) with a real rock and roll feel
posted by pyramid termite at 8:36 PM on May 24, 2015 [2 favorites]


First Aid Kit covered Simon and Garfunkle's "America" on Letterman in the last few weeks and it is so beautiful.
posted by wemayfreeze at 8:41 PM on May 24, 2015 [16 favorites]


lashed out... in a scathing new interview...

Scathing? Sounds like generic sibling-style griping to me.
posted by ovvl at 8:48 PM on May 24, 2015 [10 favorites]


They both seem insufferable, old guys trapped in a weird dynamic. I'm not a big fan of their music but it is instantly recognizable and undoubtedly important. But to go through old age still angry about things from more than four decades ago is unhealthy.
posted by Dip Flash at 8:56 PM on May 24, 2015 [1 favorite]


I once read an interview with the lead guitarist from Big Brother and the Holding Company. It was pretty recent, the last ten years or so. A good portion of it was badmouthing Janis Joplin, how she had abandoned them, etc etc. He just couldn't get on with his life. It was very sad.
posted by alms at 9:04 PM on May 24, 2015 [1 favorite]


I had a friend who was really into Art Garfunkel (really!). A few years ago she went way out of her way to see him play live somewhere in New England. He basically spent the whole set trash talking Paul Simon, and my friend was really disappointed. Of course this is one person's experience, but this interview makes it sound like that's the most authentic Garfunkel experience she could have had.
posted by teponaztli at 9:07 PM on May 24, 2015 [5 favorites]


It's hard to imagine a world in which Garfunkel without Simon would have.

that's unfair, as garfunkel had several hits without simon in the early 70s


If you believe that those would have been hits if they'd been Bob Nottheguyfromsimonandgarfunkel songs, I have a bridge over troubled waters to sell you.
posted by Etrigan at 9:25 PM on May 24, 2015 [3 favorites]




These are the rhymes that try men's souls.
posted by Chitownfats at 12:11 AM on May 25, 2015


I always liked Garfunkel's cameo on Flight of the Conchords.
posted by blueberry at 2:19 AM on May 25, 2015 [3 favorites]


I'm loving the pic of Art and his mini-me son Art Jr.
posted by colie at 4:48 AM on May 25, 2015 [9 favorites]


etrigan, there are plenty of people from that time who had hits who were complete unknowns

then look at john phillips' career after the mamas and papas - one minor hit at no 32

mick jagger didn't have as many hits by himself as art did

keith richards? - never broke the top 40

(all verified in whitburn's billboard top 40)
posted by pyramid termite at 5:13 AM on May 25, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'm kind of perplexed by the claim of "insightful" comments under the RS article -- I read through the lot, and got nothing but variations on "Paul was talented and Art's a tool." And one guy who claimed to meet them both and like Simon better. Am I missing something? My take, FWIW, is that they were friends for years and so the breakup isn't like Jordan and Pippen, 2 commercially tied teammates going their own way eventually, but a sort of relationship ending experience. Thus, emotional.
posted by Vcholerae at 5:58 AM on May 25, 2015 [1 favorite]


"We had quite a severe ant problem at the vineyard this year. I had Art Garfunkel come by with his compressor, and we created a total vacuum outside the house, and we blew the ants out the front door."
- James Taylor.
posted by colie at 6:03 AM on May 25, 2015 [7 favorites]


there are plenty of people from that time who had hits who were complete unknowns

Forgive me if I don't think AG would have been one of them. I wonder how many people, without Googling, could name the titles of the songs from his solo albums that charted, or the albums.

Don't get me wrong, like them if you like them. I don't bear him any personal grudge and am happy for any musician to make a living. But I don't think he'd have been likely to make a dent without having been lucky enough to be half of a monster pop duo that formed when both partners were under age fifteen. There's no question his harmony style was integral, definitely really, to S&G's sound, but the voice (and, well, being tall) was all he could bring to the table. Simon was the songwriter on almost every original song, and the arranger, as well as the guitarist and lead vocalist.

I agree that their parting was more of a breakup (lifelong friends, not just business partners), and that accounts for some of the vitriol. But their relationship was almost never not contentious over career questions. Apart from SImon's titanic amount of talent, the other reason I don't think Garfunkel would have made it alone is that he is unfocused in his interests and, clearly, has a pretty low level of emotional intelligence. You need both for a sustaining lifelong solo music career.
posted by Miko at 7:11 AM on May 25, 2015 [3 favorites]


They both seem insufferable, old guys trapped in a weird dynamic. I'm not a big fan of their music but it is instantly recognizable and undoubtedly important. But to go through old age still angry about things from more than four decades ago is unhealthy.

Sounds just like Roger Waters/Pink Floyd and Neil Young/CSN and any number of other acts from the major-label era that I can think of, carrying on old dysfunctional animosities for decades. How long have the original Smashing Pumpkins been sniping at each other (or more accurately how long has Corgan been sniping at them), for a more recent example? So, yeah, very sad, unhealthy, tsk-tsk, etc., etc., but not at all unique to Simon & Garfunkel, and certainly very human. I mean, how many family units that aren't celebrities carry on old grudges for decades? Tut-tutting and finger-wagging at these two because they're in the public eye and doing the same thing (or just Art Garfunkel in this instance) seems kind of pointless to me.
posted by blucevalo at 8:42 AM on May 25, 2015 [1 favorite]


I think maybe Garfunkel comes across as insufferable because he allows personal and egotistical concerns - and even music industry bullshit - to colour his judgement of purely musical issues, hence the Harrison/McCartney quote.

By contrast, you will never ever read a Lennon or McCartney interview in which either of them questions for a second the other's behaviour or personality when it came to composing or performing. The musical and intellectual respect was so deep on both sides (Lennon in the 70s: "Every song I write is still a Lennon-McCartney song. We write the way we do because of each other.") that nothing could shake it. Unlike this partnership, in which one guy was just less talented than the other and didn't like it.

Keith Richards and Mick Jagger also hate each other deeply.
posted by colie at 10:53 AM on May 25, 2015 [2 favorites]


"Can you imagine us years from today,
sharing a park bench quietly?
How terribly strange to be seventy..."
posted by sallybrown at 11:21 AM on May 25, 2015 [4 favorites]


"Can you imagine us years from today,
sharing a park bench quietly?
How terribly--"


YOU'RE RUINING MY BENCH. GET OFF MY BENCH.
posted by Zerowensboring at 11:24 AM on May 25, 2015 [9 favorites]


QUIT READING YOUR EMILY DICKINSON! I'M TRYING TO READ MY ROBERT FROST!!
posted by pyramid termite at 12:13 PM on May 25, 2015 [5 favorites]


He marked "Fifty Shades" as a favorite. Huh.
posted by ostranenie at 1:28 PM on May 25, 2015


"Sue me. See what happens." --Paul Simon, in the quote he should be remembered by
posted by ostranenie at 1:32 PM on May 25, 2015 [4 favorites]


People can and do re-evaluate old relationships as they get older and become different people themselves; I may have an entirely new and different opinion about my ex-wife ten years from now, or even five.

In the meantime, I proffer Bowie's version of "America" from the post-9/11 concert in Central Park.
posted by Halloween Jack at 1:47 PM on May 25, 2015 [1 favorite]


I saw Art Garfunkel in the early 1990s. He said, "tonight we have a very special guest." Everyone thought, "Paul Simon?!" He turned to the mic stand and lowered it about two feet. Thrm another foot. Then to about 3' total and said, 'that looks about right.' Of course no Simon; he just wanted to make fun of his height.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:37 PM on May 25, 2015 [2 favorites]


Wow, that Bowie version is like the love child of Laurie Anderson and Paul Simon. Cool.
posted by Rumple at 2:41 PM on May 25, 2015


Garfunkel kinda makes me think of, I dunno, fucking everyone in 20 Feet From Stardom. People with really incredible voices - people with way better chops than the featured acts - are kind of a dime a dozen when you come down to it. So, getting equal billing for being 'the high harmony guy' of a duo was a pretty sweet gig, I don't blame him for a little bitterness. (also, they did sound pretty good together, and Simon's undoubtedly a dick.)

Fairly apropos- The Only Living Boy in NY, by Robyn Hitchcock.
posted by hap_hazard at 2:46 PM on May 25, 2015 [2 favorites]


That First Aid Kit America was amazing. Thanks for posting it. That song always makes me tear up.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:49 PM on May 25, 2015 [1 favorite]


And the Bowie version is amazing, too, of course.

Simon wrote "American Tune" after Nixon was reelected. This version live on Cavett is haunting.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:03 PM on May 25, 2015 [2 favorites]


Wow, not so much love for Art here tonite.

...could name the titles of the songs from his solo albums that charted, or the albums.

Well, I listen to side 2 of Breakaway every so often.

...he is unfocused in his interests...

Teaching math classes, acting in fairly interesting Hollywood movies, yeah, that's an odd resume, sure. But I'll concede that he's not as good of a composer as Paul is.
posted by ovvl at 5:44 PM on May 25, 2015


Paul Simon may be an asshole, but he won grammies in four different decades. It's hard to argue with that.
posted by alms at 7:27 PM on May 25, 2015 [1 favorite]


Fuck a Paul Simon.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 10:44 PM on May 25, 2015


I love the music they made together. I love Paul's solo work. Paul may be an asshole but at least he knows it and admits to it in his music. He knows himself and analysis has helped him a lot. Arte's still bitter. Sad for him but he's the one holding on to the past.
posted by irisclara at 11:49 PM on May 25, 2015


missmary: "...it's been 45 years. For. tee. five. years..."

To try and put this in perspective: I remember riding in the back hatch of our new '73 Ford Pinto. It was avocado green and had fake wood paneling. We had a rotary phone and an 8-track player. I learned to read from a set of encyclopedias. I cried at night because Walter Cronkite said the Iranians wouldn't release the hostages. I saw Star Wars, Grease and Raiders of the Lost Ark in the theater. I know how to quickly rewind a cassette tape with only a pencil and a scrap of paper. I graduated from high school in the 80s. I watched a man get pulled out of a truck and beat to death on live TV while Los Angeles burned. I can no longer look forward to partying like it's 1999. I was over 30 when the twin towers fell. My marriage and my first son are both over 20 years old. I wear bifocals because my arms aren't long enough. A girl I dated in high school is now a doting grandmother. My fiery red hair is now silver and gray.

Simon and Garfunkel broke up the year before I was born. We've all had people in our lives disappoint us, sometimes bitterly. They need to get over it already.
posted by double block and bleed at 2:02 AM on May 26, 2015 [13 favorites]


By contrast, you will never ever read a Lennon or McCartney interview in which either of them questions for a second the other's behaviour or personality when it came to composing or performing.

I'm not sure about that. It got kind of harsh at one point.
posted by thelonius at 3:23 AM on May 26, 2015 [1 favorite]


One point.
posted by Miko at 5:31 AM on May 26, 2015


I'm sorry to hear of this development. Like many, in the film of their famous concert in Central Park, I couldn't help notice how uncomfortable the two seemed, while simultaneously obviously enjoying performing together. There are moments only at the end where they reach out so tentatively to touch each other on the shoulder.

Some time ago I heard an interview with Simon and Garfunkel on NPR, and it struck me how generous and serene Garfunkel seemed, particularly in contrast with Simon's moments of tense edginess.

Some years later, my lovely wife and I attended a performance of Garfunkel supporting his recent album of standards, and Garfunkel seemed, again, to genuinely enjoy the performance and his reception by the audience (which was enthusiastic, and yes, he did perform a number of Simon-Gar hits as well), and I was pleased at how comfortable he seemed with his own identity as a solo artist.

It's a shame that the pain caused difficulties in their relationship still lingers for both of them.
posted by Gelatin at 6:13 AM on May 26, 2015 [1 favorite]


I mean, how many family units that aren't celebrities carry on old grudges for decades?

It's a good point. People who have not ever been in a band can have a hard time understanding what a strange kind of forced intimacy it can become. You can only hope your mutual creative product makes it worth the significant effort it takes to collaborate with other people. Few bands have no tensions.
posted by Miko at 6:18 AM on May 26, 2015 [3 favorites]


"But I've been in that same place for decades. This is where I was in 1971."

If that's how he feels, no wonder he's still mad.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:18 AM on May 26, 2015


Learning to play Bleecker Street on the guitar was one of the greatest feelings I've ever experienced musically; heck, one of the most satisfying things I've ever done. My fingers weren't quite ready but I stuck to it doggedly and almost 20 years later they remember every stroke without my brain having to do much work. The song also features some of their loveliest harmonies and some of Simon's most deceptively simple lyrics, IMO.

S&G's early work is beautiful, inspired, playful, genius music. In some ways, their ridiculously protracted feud doesn't have to matter, at least not to me. Their legacy is always going to be there for the listeners.

PS I do wish Paul Simon was less of a jerk but damn his songwriting and guitar playing was something special so you know
posted by ORthey at 1:11 PM on May 26, 2015


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