Police fatalities in latest format
June 13, 2015 6:42 AM Subscribe
Visualizing Police Brutality By Teju Cole.
Officer Involved.
Data artist Josh Begley’s new project, “Officer Involved,” uses databases on police brutality compiled by the Guardian to present the problem in a new way.
The Counted; People killed by police in the U.S. (Guardian).
Calling every single one of these an incident of "brutality" shows impartiality? All of them?
The only point of distinction I'm seeing in any of this is the drop-down on the Guardian link that allows you to filter for whether the person killed was armed and with what. That's not necessarily an indicator of whether something was justified or not.
We obviously have massive problems with use of force in this country. That too many people are being killed (and beaten, and falsely arrested, etc) by police is a given. Let's not pretend that police never legitimately have to use lethal force while we're talking about that.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 10:19 AM on June 13, 2015
The only point of distinction I'm seeing in any of this is the drop-down on the Guardian link that allows you to filter for whether the person killed was armed and with what. That's not necessarily an indicator of whether something was justified or not.
We obviously have massive problems with use of force in this country. That too many people are being killed (and beaten, and falsely arrested, etc) by police is a given. Let's not pretend that police never legitimately have to use lethal force while we're talking about that.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 10:19 AM on June 13, 2015
As to a modicum of impartiality, the last link mentioned nothing about brutality but deaths by police. That's what I was referring too.
IMO, a petty balanced post but I see the charged particles of brutality hovering around "justifiable" shootings. The last link shows a synopsis of each case. Weither a shooting is justified will be up to the proper authorities. But the info is there and I even cross referenced a few and they seem accurate.
posted by clavdivs at 10:35 AM on June 13, 2015
IMO, a petty balanced post but I see the charged particles of brutality hovering around "justifiable" shootings. The last link shows a synopsis of each case. Weither a shooting is justified will be up to the proper authorities. But the info is there and I even cross referenced a few and they seem accurate.
posted by clavdivs at 10:35 AM on June 13, 2015
Let's not pretend that police never legitimately have to use lethal force while we're talking about that.
I say let's pretend that.
posted by srboisvert at 10:39 AM on June 13, 2015 [8 favorites]
I say let's pretend that.
posted by srboisvert at 10:39 AM on June 13, 2015 [8 favorites]
Let's not pretend that police never legitimately have to use lethal force while we're talking about that.
How about "once in a blue moon"?
If the police involved didn't need to use lethal force in the recent "white bikers riot", when DO they?
Whether a shooting is justified will be up to the proper authorities.
...of whom the officer doing the shooting is a member in good standing. I don't see any minimally accurate count of 'incidents' coming from 'the proper authorities'. You can't get an adequate (as in 'not whitewashed') accounting from any website with the TLD ".gov"; if you could, THEN you could start criticizing the source.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:41 PM on June 13, 2015 [1 favorite]
How about "once in a blue moon"?
If the police involved didn't need to use lethal force in the recent "white bikers riot", when DO they?
Whether a shooting is justified will be up to the proper authorities.
...of whom the officer doing the shooting is a member in good standing. I don't see any minimally accurate count of 'incidents' coming from 'the proper authorities'. You can't get an adequate (as in 'not whitewashed') accounting from any website with the TLD ".gov"; if you could, THEN you could start criticizing the source.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:41 PM on June 13, 2015 [1 favorite]
From clavdivs' link:
Authorities said it was remarkable that no one else was killed or injured in the attack.
According to police, the suspect opened fire on the building from his parked van. Bullets pierced the glass at the entrance and caused damage inside, including at the front desk, where the worker on duty had just gone to get a soft drink.
He also fired on officers who drove up to confront him, riddling at least one squad car with bullets but not actually hitting anyone.
Brown said at a news conference that the department decided to shoot him because it felt he still posed enough of a threat.
Most. Incompetent. Shooter. Ever.
Still posed a threat? For what?
(1) to rack up too many hours of overtime at the standoff.
(2) to make an unpleasant show if he went to trial.
Based on the amount of thought that went into shooting him, I will be SO surprised if he's not white.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:15 PM on June 13, 2015
Authorities said it was remarkable that no one else was killed or injured in the attack.
According to police, the suspect opened fire on the building from his parked van. Bullets pierced the glass at the entrance and caused damage inside, including at the front desk, where the worker on duty had just gone to get a soft drink.
He also fired on officers who drove up to confront him, riddling at least one squad car with bullets but not actually hitting anyone.
Brown said at a news conference that the department decided to shoot him because it felt he still posed enough of a threat.
Most. Incompetent. Shooter. Ever.
Still posed a threat? For what?
(1) to rack up too many hours of overtime at the standoff.
(2) to make an unpleasant show if he went to trial.
Based on the amount of thought that went into shooting him, I will be SO surprised if he's not white.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:15 PM on June 13, 2015
FWIW he's white and this is his second attempt at a rampage, seems the authorities nipped one in the bus in 2013.
They had all the time in the world for this dude.
posted by Artw at 3:33 PM on June 13, 2015
They had all the time in the world for this dude.
posted by Artw at 3:33 PM on June 13, 2015
It's shameful that a foreign newspaper is going through the trouble to collate all of these deaths
You know what especially galling? The fact that American authorities get offended when you bring up the notion of tallying police officer involved shootings. They act as if counting in-custody deaths jeopardizes the lives of the police when it would probably protect everybody once an honest reckoning is done.
posted by Renoroc at 5:14 PM on June 13, 2015 [3 favorites]
You know what especially galling? The fact that American authorities get offended when you bring up the notion of tallying police officer involved shootings. They act as if counting in-custody deaths jeopardizes the lives of the police when it would probably protect everybody once an honest reckoning is done.
posted by Renoroc at 5:14 PM on June 13, 2015 [3 favorites]
Reforms are coming to America’s police, either with them or over them. Which?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 9:23 PM on June 13, 2015
posted by the man of twists and turns at 9:23 PM on June 13, 2015
Summer Heat: History shows police violence is intractable. What should we do? We must end the police.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 10:34 PM on June 13, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by the man of twists and turns at 10:34 PM on June 13, 2015 [1 favorite]
Ah, "quotidian terrorism in the service of law and order"
Interesting article. The summer riots of 1919 are a mine for data, though the historical antecedents and statistics that purport empirical data support certain conclusions which do not equate to a solution based on difference. For example, enforcement of T 18/ S 242.
posted by clavdivs at 11:42 PM on June 13, 2015
Interesting article. The summer riots of 1919 are a mine for data, though the historical antecedents and statistics that purport empirical data support certain conclusions which do not equate to a solution based on difference. For example, enforcement of T 18/ S 242.
posted by clavdivs at 11:42 PM on June 13, 2015
the authorities nipped one in the bus
And I think we all know how painful that can be.
posted by Trochanter at 5:07 AM on June 14, 2015
And I think we all know how painful that can be.
posted by Trochanter at 5:07 AM on June 14, 2015
If the police involved didn't need to use lethal force in the recent "white bikers riot", when DO they?
Well it's turning out that the whole "white bikers riot" angle was a concoction of the law enforcement agencies on-scene. No riot; most of those guys zip-tied or time-outed in those photos were just thankful the shooting had stopped. They didn't even know yet that most of it had been the cops.
posted by lodurr at 9:02 AM on June 14, 2015
Well it's turning out that the whole "white bikers riot" angle was a concoction of the law enforcement agencies on-scene. No riot; most of those guys zip-tied or time-outed in those photos were just thankful the shooting had stopped. They didn't even know yet that most of it had been the cops.
posted by lodurr at 9:02 AM on June 14, 2015
actually the police had done a lot of shooting in the Waco biker gang shootout, and it is unclear and undeclared how many of the dead bikers were at police hands.
If the police involved didn't need to use lethal force in the recent "white bikers riot", when DO they?
I think it's possible to talk about how the police use lethal force too often without letting perfect be the enemy of good and get yourselves into a rabbit hole of talking about how the cops should never shoot anyone ever. Even European and Asian cops kill people.
posted by bl1nk at 3:57 PM on June 14, 2015
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I value this quote from 'The Intercept' link (1st). It is what I believe is best of the web in as this info seems accurate, accessable, and relevant. The guardians numbers appear accurate and over all written with a modicum of impartiality. Nice post Bukvich.
posted by clavdivs at 8:00 AM on June 13, 2015