How I Infiltrated a White Pride Facebook Group
August 3, 2015 9:15 AM Subscribe
How I Infiltrated a White Pride Facebook Group and Turned It into 'LGBT Southerners for Michelle Obama' Sort of like e-mails from an Asshole, but the trolling is directed at hate groups instead of innocent bystanders on the Internet.
I am amused that the addition of "God bless the Juche path" in the description seems to go by entirely unremarked upon -- by everyone. EXCEPT ME.
posted by chesty_a_arthur at 9:26 AM on August 3, 2015 [11 favorites]
posted by chesty_a_arthur at 9:26 AM on August 3, 2015 [11 favorites]
I also like how one of the original members accidentally made a Chang pun about halfway down.
posted by rossination at 9:30 AM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by rossination at 9:30 AM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
Reminds me of Jonathan Swift taking down the astrologer.
posted by anothermug at 9:34 AM on August 3, 2015
posted by anothermug at 9:34 AM on August 3, 2015
"Who ever keeps Chang the banner plz stop"
I am crying.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 9:37 AM on August 3, 2015 [8 favorites]
I am crying.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 9:37 AM on August 3, 2015 [8 favorites]
Delightful. Though not wholly work-safe in that it was difficult to suppress the giggles.
posted by asperity at 9:38 AM on August 3, 2015
posted by asperity at 9:38 AM on August 3, 2015
Sing Or Swim: "I am crying."
i am cry to
posted by boo_radley at 9:41 AM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
i am cry to
posted by boo_radley at 9:41 AM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
How I Infiltrated a White Pride Facebook Group
A regular "Donnie Brasco" this guy is. He must have run out of other fish in the barrel to shoot.
posted by MikeMc at 9:41 AM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
A regular "Donnie Brasco" this guy is. He must have run out of other fish in the barrel to shoot.
posted by MikeMc at 9:41 AM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
"I'M OUT"
I have actual tears on my face.
In the immortal words of Abbie Hoffman, "Fuck 'em even if they CAN take a joke."
posted by Sing Or Swim at 9:43 AM on August 3, 2015
I have actual tears on my face.
In the immortal words of Abbie Hoffman, "Fuck 'em even if they CAN take a joke."
posted by Sing Or Swim at 9:43 AM on August 3, 2015
brb, heading over to the green to ask about home remedies for schadenpriapism
posted by tonycpsu at 9:46 AM on August 3, 2015 [20 favorites]
posted by tonycpsu at 9:46 AM on August 3, 2015 [20 favorites]
Conflicted. I think it's hilarious and laughed as it happened (Oh, facebook and header pictures and moderator settings. Seriously, part of me thinks this is awesome.)
But I also wonder if it makes the those members even more reluctant to think about the other side. This group started along with/in retaliation to the BlackLivesMatters hashtag. The number of people (who use their real names!) that page attracted terrifies me. There are so many pages attracting thousands just like it. And other pages that took a turn to neo-confederacy since the shootings in Charleston.
Then again, Would those members ever partake in any real conversation about white supremacy anyway (except that they love it.)
It's funny. But I'm honestly scared of these people. One of them wants to visit "ShitYork" to "meet up" with Virgil Texas. https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/627893288226283520
Maybe the trolling got me to see how real these people are. They vote--and stockpile guns.
posted by montaigneisright at 9:51 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
But I also wonder if it makes the those members even more reluctant to think about the other side. This group started along with/in retaliation to the BlackLivesMatters hashtag. The number of people (who use their real names!) that page attracted terrifies me. There are so many pages attracting thousands just like it. And other pages that took a turn to neo-confederacy since the shootings in Charleston.
Then again, Would those members ever partake in any real conversation about white supremacy anyway (except that they love it.)
It's funny. But I'm honestly scared of these people. One of them wants to visit "ShitYork" to "meet up" with Virgil Texas. https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/627893288226283520
Maybe the trolling got me to see how real these people are. They vote--and stockpile guns.
posted by montaigneisright at 9:51 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
The only way to leave is to give salutations to comrade doggo
COMRADE DOGGO
posted by louche mustachio at 10:05 AM on August 3, 2015 [21 favorites]
COMRADE DOGGO
posted by louche mustachio at 10:05 AM on August 3, 2015 [21 favorites]
I'm not worried about the feelings of people who openly consider Confederate heritage something they need to defend.
posted by Chuffy at 10:18 AM on August 3, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by Chuffy at 10:18 AM on August 3, 2015 [5 favorites]
I'll be honest: if somebody accused me of liking a strawberry banana Coolatta, I would be pretty cheesed, too.
posted by uncleozzy at 10:22 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by uncleozzy at 10:22 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
This is brilliant.
posted by persona au gratin at 10:31 AM on August 3, 2015
posted by persona au gratin at 10:31 AM on August 3, 2015
I too am slightly conflicted about this. However, when they started accusing one guy of being a secret Northerner:
i told chris to get me a can of dip and he asked me if i wanted french onion or guacamole
omfg
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:38 AM on August 3, 2015 [20 favorites]
i told chris to get me a can of dip and he asked me if i wanted french onion or guacamole
omfg
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:38 AM on August 3, 2015 [20 favorites]
This really is no different than E-mails from an Asshole: funny at first, but not if you see if from the unwilling bystander's point of view.
Would you like it if you ran, say, an Occupy Wall Street group based in New York, or a feminist group in California, and some racist Floridian joined you and "added a few dozen of [their] friends, who promptly started trolling the shit out of" you? No? Then don't do it to them.
The author, Virgil Texas, lives in Brooklyn and might never have even met any real Southern Confederate fans. His own social circle probably makes such obvious racism unacceptable.* And the Southerners on Facebook were getting along fine without any Yankees harassing them. So what's the point of one group invading another and messing up their space? You don't like them, so they're fair game? Not a good principle to stand by.
* I don't mean to imply that urban Northerners are some kind of virtuous post-racists. Just that their racism takes a different, subtler form than Southern flag-waving, so that Yankees can feel satisfied by mocking their Confederate out-group even if they aren't all that different.
posted by Rangi at 10:54 AM on August 3, 2015
Would you like it if you ran, say, an Occupy Wall Street group based in New York, or a feminist group in California, and some racist Floridian joined you and "added a few dozen of [their] friends, who promptly started trolling the shit out of" you? No? Then don't do it to them.
The author, Virgil Texas, lives in Brooklyn and might never have even met any real Southern Confederate fans. His own social circle probably makes such obvious racism unacceptable.* And the Southerners on Facebook were getting along fine without any Yankees harassing them. So what's the point of one group invading another and messing up their space? You don't like them, so they're fair game? Not a good principle to stand by.
* I don't mean to imply that urban Northerners are some kind of virtuous post-racists. Just that their racism takes a different, subtler form than Southern flag-waving, so that Yankees can feel satisfied by mocking their Confederate out-group even if they aren't all that different.
posted by Rangi at 10:54 AM on August 3, 2015
A regular "Donnie Brasco" this guy is. He must have run out of other fish in the barrel to shoot.
pfff, trolling the Mafia? call me when it turns out Bashar al-Assad was doing performance art
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 10:55 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
pfff, trolling the Mafia? call me when it turns out Bashar al-Assad was doing performance art
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 10:55 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
The author, Virgil Texas, lives in Brooklyn and might never have even met any real Southern Confederate fans.
It's like, what if this is the REAL intolerance bong hit
posted by kagredon at 10:57 AM on August 3, 2015 [43 favorites]
It's like, what if this is the REAL intolerance bong hit
posted by kagredon at 10:57 AM on August 3, 2015 [43 favorites]
or a feminist group in California
It's garbage to draw an equivalence between feminists and hate groups masquerading as "southern pride".
posted by secret about box at 11:05 AM on August 3, 2015 [36 favorites]
It's garbage to draw an equivalence between feminists and hate groups masquerading as "southern pride".
posted by secret about box at 11:05 AM on August 3, 2015 [36 favorites]
So what's the point of one group invading another and messing up their space?
Also known as the Civil War.
posted by Rumple at 11:06 AM on August 3, 2015 [6 favorites]
Also known as the Civil War.
posted by Rumple at 11:06 AM on August 3, 2015 [6 favorites]
Would you like it if you ran, say, an Occupy Wall Street group based in New York, or a feminist group in California, and some racist Floridian joined you and "added a few dozen of [their] friends, who promptly started trolling the shit out of" you? No? Then don't do it to them.
Surely you can see how it's appropriate to take social actions against causes that are objectively evil, and how those social actions would be inappropriate against causes that are not evil? This isn't an our side/their side thing. We're not talking about Facebook groups championing different flavors of chip dip here. The white power "heritage not hate (but seriously, yay hate)" ideology is actual real world villainy with a stated aim of doing actual harm to actual people.
posted by IAmUnaware at 11:11 AM on August 3, 2015 [13 favorites]
Surely you can see how it's appropriate to take social actions against causes that are objectively evil, and how those social actions would be inappropriate against causes that are not evil? This isn't an our side/their side thing. We're not talking about Facebook groups championing different flavors of chip dip here. The white power "heritage not hate (but seriously, yay hate)" ideology is actual real world villainy with a stated aim of doing actual harm to actual people.
posted by IAmUnaware at 11:11 AM on August 3, 2015 [13 favorites]
The options appear to be attack/disrupt (which is happening here non-violently), live and let fester, or "debate" and roll in the mud with these people.
Options B and C leave us with hate groups, so I'm all for this.
Something something special circumstances something something.
posted by Slackermagee at 11:22 AM on August 3, 2015 [4 favorites]
Options B and C leave us with hate groups, so I'm all for this.
Something something special circumstances something something.
posted by Slackermagee at 11:22 AM on August 3, 2015 [4 favorites]
Also known as the Civil War.
It sounds so earnest that it's almost believable as a pitch perfect parody of Confederate apologia, what with the accusations of Yankee PERFIDY (who are the real racists, natch), and wildly inaccurate comparisons of hate--I'm sorry, "heritage"--to actual social progress.
posted by zombieflanders at 11:22 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
It sounds so earnest that it's almost believable as a pitch perfect parody of Confederate apologia, what with the accusations of Yankee PERFIDY (who are the real racists, natch), and wildly inaccurate comparisons of hate--I'm sorry, "heritage"--to actual social progress.
posted by zombieflanders at 11:22 AM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
Won't someone think of the poor, put-upon 0.01%/mens?
Yeah I doubt that this FB group was full of billionaires.
posted by showbiz_liz at 11:23 AM on August 3, 2015 [3 favorites]
Yeah I doubt that this FB group was full of billionaires.
posted by showbiz_liz at 11:23 AM on August 3, 2015 [3 favorites]
Anyone listen to the phone call with the guy accused of having a northern flag? I could have sworn he brags about having never left Texas.
I don't know, man, plastering everything with the southern flag when you never even leave your county seems an awful lot like wearing the t-shirt, hat, and bag plastered with a band's logo to their concert.
posted by mikeh at 11:26 AM on August 3, 2015
I don't know, man, plastering everything with the southern flag when you never even leave your county seems an awful lot like wearing the t-shirt, hat, and bag plastered with a band's logo to their concert.
posted by mikeh at 11:26 AM on August 3, 2015
Surely you can see how it's appropriate to take social actions against causes that are objectively evil, and how those social actions would be inappropriate against causes that are not evil?
I don't believe this was a social action against evil. It looks a lot more like 4chan's "raids" of other sites, motivated by differing cultural signifiers, not differing views. "Look at the quaint Southerners, with 'names like Prepper Jeff and Amanda Rebel,' showing off their Confederate flag tattoos and 19th-century racism! Look how much better we are, we replaced their content with 'the victorious Juche ideology' ironically!"
We're not talking about Facebook groups championing different flavors of chip dip here.
But we are talking about Facebook groups. One racist internet group isn't the end of the world, it's just a shared community. This isn't a brave stand against a movement to re-introduce segregation or something. It's destroying the invite-only group of a bunch of people who have (reprehensible) views that they keep to themselves, by taking advantage of their "Southern hospitality" to invite new members.
To everyone here, Confederate flags and white pride look evil. (Because they are!) And to a 17th-century Protestant, Catholicism looks evil, and vice-versa. I think it's valuable to have a norm that says "No matter how evil I think my neighbor is, if they keep to themselves then I'll leave them alone." Having to tolerate the existence of Bad People is worth avoiding this. Besides, the negative consequences of those Southerners' racism come about when they violate this norm. Lynching people you hate is wrong, discriminating against them is wrong, insulting them to their face is wrong, but just hating them without acting on it is a matter for your own conscience.
Yes, I'm saying we should tolerate intolerance. Because the alternative of not tolerating it is worse for everyone. Is there less intolerance in the world now that the evil "confederate pride, heritage not hate" Facebook group has been defeated by valiant Brooklynites? No. This was one culture trolling another to show that they can get away with it, and both sides still exist and still hate each other.
posted by Rangi at 11:54 AM on August 3, 2015
I don't believe this was a social action against evil. It looks a lot more like 4chan's "raids" of other sites, motivated by differing cultural signifiers, not differing views. "Look at the quaint Southerners, with 'names like Prepper Jeff and Amanda Rebel,' showing off their Confederate flag tattoos and 19th-century racism! Look how much better we are, we replaced their content with 'the victorious Juche ideology' ironically!"
We're not talking about Facebook groups championing different flavors of chip dip here.
But we are talking about Facebook groups. One racist internet group isn't the end of the world, it's just a shared community. This isn't a brave stand against a movement to re-introduce segregation or something. It's destroying the invite-only group of a bunch of people who have (reprehensible) views that they keep to themselves, by taking advantage of their "Southern hospitality" to invite new members.
To everyone here, Confederate flags and white pride look evil. (Because they are!) And to a 17th-century Protestant, Catholicism looks evil, and vice-versa. I think it's valuable to have a norm that says "No matter how evil I think my neighbor is, if they keep to themselves then I'll leave them alone." Having to tolerate the existence of Bad People is worth avoiding this. Besides, the negative consequences of those Southerners' racism come about when they violate this norm. Lynching people you hate is wrong, discriminating against them is wrong, insulting them to their face is wrong, but just hating them without acting on it is a matter for your own conscience.
Yes, I'm saying we should tolerate intolerance. Because the alternative of not tolerating it is worse for everyone. Is there less intolerance in the world now that the evil "confederate pride, heritage not hate" Facebook group has been defeated by valiant Brooklynites? No. This was one culture trolling another to show that they can get away with it, and both sides still exist and still hate each other.
posted by Rangi at 11:54 AM on August 3, 2015
Lynching people you hate is wrong, discriminating against them is wrong, insulting them to their face is wrong, but just hating them without acting on it is a matter for your own conscience.
I mean this sort of presupposes that any sort of antisocial act committed in the name of the Confederacy (or whatever flavor of White Pride) was conceived and committed to in a vacuum, rather than inspired by and supported within a community of like-minded individuals.
posted by griphus at 12:00 PM on August 3, 2015 [17 favorites]
I mean this sort of presupposes that any sort of antisocial act committed in the name of the Confederacy (or whatever flavor of White Pride) was conceived and committed to in a vacuum, rather than inspired by and supported within a community of like-minded individuals.
posted by griphus at 12:00 PM on August 3, 2015 [17 favorites]
>objectively evil
well there's your problem right there.
posted by DGStieber at 12:02 PM on August 3, 2015 [3 favorites]
well there's your problem right there.
posted by DGStieber at 12:02 PM on August 3, 2015 [3 favorites]
Taking over some idiots' Facebook group might lead to the next wars of religion?
posted by OmieWise at 12:24 PM on August 3, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by OmieWise at 12:24 PM on August 3, 2015 [4 favorites]
montaigneisright: "One of them wants to visit "ShitYork""
Different than what you're thinking. ShitYork is the largest city in Shitsylvania.
posted by boo_radley at 12:29 PM on August 3, 2015 [9 favorites]
The author, Virgil Texas, lives in Brooklyn and might never have even met any real Southern Confederate fans
Well I have and let me tell you he's not missing a thing.
and some racist Floridian joined you and "added a few dozen of [their] friends
Why does it have to be Floridians?! C'mon man, there's racists all throughout the 50 states. Florida takes enough heat for being, well, Florida. Give us commie-hippy-bed-wetting Floridians a break.
posted by photoslob at 2:01 PM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
Well I have and let me tell you he's not missing a thing.
and some racist Floridian joined you and "added a few dozen of [their] friends
Why does it have to be Floridians?! C'mon man, there's racists all throughout the 50 states. Florida takes enough heat for being, well, Florida. Give us commie-hippy-bed-wetting Floridians a break.
posted by photoslob at 2:01 PM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 2:56 PM on August 3, 2015 [13 favorites]
Is anyone able to explain the 'Dale Earnhardt Got What he Deserved' references in that group? I skimmed his wiki page but nothing stuck out to me that would explain what's going on there, and I am not au fait enough with either racing or white pride groups to get why this is a thing.
posted by andraste at 3:33 PM on August 3, 2015
posted by andraste at 3:33 PM on August 3, 2015
Pwning a racist FB page is funny. If you're gonna have a FB group, then don't be ignorant...that nobody could lock it down wasn't "Southern hospitality," it was technological ignorance. That makes it even funnier.
Being intolerant of racists is just fine. Nobody owes them anything, even if they're really very nice to white people.
posted by Chuffy at 3:46 PM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
Being intolerant of racists is just fine. Nobody owes them anything, even if they're really very nice to white people.
posted by Chuffy at 3:46 PM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
Is anyone able to explain the 'Dale Earnhardt Got What he Deserved' references in that group? I skimmed his wiki page but nothing stuck out to me that would explain what's going on there, and I am not au fait enough with either racing or white pride groups to get why this is a thing.
NASCAR is a popular Southern thing...
posted by Chuffy at 3:48 PM on August 3, 2015
NASCAR is a popular Southern thing...
posted by Chuffy at 3:48 PM on August 3, 2015
Yeah, the "Dale Earnhart Deserved To Die" post very early on convinced me that this was more about poking at rednecks than protesting symbols of hatred.
Not that I didn't laugh at these antics, but it was a "omg-I-can't-believe-they-did-that" laugh, probably much like the one that casual racists try to suppress.
posted by infinitewindow at 4:14 PM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
Not that I didn't laugh at these antics, but it was a "omg-I-can't-believe-they-did-that" laugh, probably much like the one that casual racists try to suppress.
posted by infinitewindow at 4:14 PM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
....as sponsored by Windows 10! Google Play Music! Vans! And the all-new All Star II with actual shoe technology!
I think being an asshole is being an asshole, even if you're doing it against assholes. If you imagine there's some asshole threshold you can set the bar at it becomes a game of parsing where that line is. We'll need an asshole supreme court (other than our current one which is simply comprised of assholes).
Being an asshole as a corporate shill for footwear is just fuck you.
posted by Ogre Lawless at 5:05 PM on August 3, 2015
I think being an asshole is being an asshole, even if you're doing it against assholes. If you imagine there's some asshole threshold you can set the bar at it becomes a game of parsing where that line is. We'll need an asshole supreme court (other than our current one which is simply comprised of assholes).
Being an asshole as a corporate shill for footwear is just fuck you.
posted by Ogre Lawless at 5:05 PM on August 3, 2015
what
posted by kagredon at 5:07 PM on August 3, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by kagredon at 5:07 PM on August 3, 2015 [5 favorites]
This might be the pinnacle of human achievement
I laughed so hard I cried and my cats got scared and ran away because I was laughing a lot
posted by Frobenius Twist at 5:33 PM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
I laughed so hard I cried and my cats got scared and ran away because I was laughing a lot
posted by Frobenius Twist at 5:33 PM on August 3, 2015 [2 favorites]
There are few ideologies that have done such significant and lasting damage to the United States of America as racism, and the fact that people in this very thread are fearing for the feelings of people who would spread this centuries-old poison (and that's what the victims of this prank are spreading, poison)is testament to how dangerous it's gotten. The idea that racists are owed anything beyond the barest first amendment protection is beyond me.
The first amendment is better than they'd get in any other western democracy, they should have the good grace to take their lumps and say thank you for the privilege.
posted by East14thTaco at 5:55 PM on August 3, 2015 [14 favorites]
The first amendment is better than they'd get in any other western democracy, they should have the good grace to take their lumps and say thank you for the privilege.
posted by East14thTaco at 5:55 PM on August 3, 2015 [14 favorites]
people in this very thread are fearing for the feelings of people who would spread this centuries-old poison
It seems you are confusing disagreeing with the tactics with target sympathy; I see none of the latter. Unless you're advocating out-and-out torture and execution then you too are in agreement that there's bounds of civil society. Nobody is saying these are good people who deserve our support. Some of us include the OP author in that lump.
posted by Ogre Lawless at 7:19 PM on August 3, 2015
It seems you are confusing disagreeing with the tactics with target sympathy; I see none of the latter. Unless you're advocating out-and-out torture and execution then you too are in agreement that there's bounds of civil society. Nobody is saying these are good people who deserve our support. Some of us include the OP author in that lump.
posted by Ogre Lawless at 7:19 PM on August 3, 2015
I think we can all agree that whatever it was, that fixed it.
posted by awfurby at 7:37 PM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by awfurby at 7:37 PM on August 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
This is funny and the targets deserve it, but the actions don't do anything to help educate these people and in fact will drive them further into their hatred.
posted by unknownmosquito at 11:46 PM on August 3, 2015
posted by unknownmosquito at 11:46 PM on August 3, 2015
This is funny and the targets deserve it, but the actions don't do anything to help educate these people and in fact will drive them further into their hatred.
They're living in the 21st century with enough free time and access to the internet to spend their time on a Facebook hate group. I feel pretty okay saying that the only people responsible for their education or for "lifting" them out of their hatred are themselves.
posted by kagredon at 1:06 AM on August 4, 2015 [9 favorites]
They're living in the 21st century with enough free time and access to the internet to spend their time on a Facebook hate group. I feel pretty okay saying that the only people responsible for their education or for "lifting" them out of their hatred are themselves.
posted by kagredon at 1:06 AM on August 4, 2015 [9 favorites]
I'm guessing the author would not have tried anything like this if the venue had been the Veteran's Hall in Dogpatch on a Saturday night.
For those interested in something other than mere self-congratulation, here's something worth reading to the end. Who would have thought that Congressman Hank Johnson was on board with History Not Hate? But then, he's not from Brooklyn.
posted by IndigoJones at 5:18 AM on August 4, 2015
For those interested in something other than mere self-congratulation, here's something worth reading to the end. Who would have thought that Congressman Hank Johnson was on board with History Not Hate? But then, he's not from Brooklyn.
posted by IndigoJones at 5:18 AM on August 4, 2015
man, I saw a link to a Taki's Magazine story about racism and clicked so hard I broke my damn phone. you owe me a phone now IndigoJones
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 6:27 AM on August 4, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 6:27 AM on August 4, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm guessing the author would not have tried anything like this if the venue had been the Veteran's Hall in Dogpatch on a Saturday night.
What does this even mean?
For those interested in something other than mere self-congratulation, here's something worth reading to the end.
Taki Magazine? The refuge of Neo-Nazi supporters, racists and misogynists too edgy for the VICE of old, writers kicked off the still-racist-as-fuck National Review for going too far, and which shares writers with the white supremacist group VDARE? And the article is written by notorious dehumanizer of women of color Jim Goad? Imagine my surprise when he calls the vandalism at Ebenzer Baptist a "fishy 'hate crime'" (yes, complete with scare quotes), constantly refers to the pro-Confederate flag rally attendees as proud and peacfeul people of grit and determination while the protesters are animalistic and hateful, and comes to the conclusion that the Confederate flag is merely a "symbol" with zero connection to the treatment of PoC in the South.
Who would have thought that Congressman Hank Johnson was on board with History Not Hate?
He's...not? Never mind that it's "heritage," not "history," the article you posted goes into great detail about how proud he was that the Confederate flag is being removed. That he's not all fired up to remove a memorial that is actually located in his congressional district (with all that entails) is not exactly compelling evidence that this is a sentiment shared by a lot of his fellow travelers.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:39 AM on August 4, 2015 [10 favorites]
What does this even mean?
For those interested in something other than mere self-congratulation, here's something worth reading to the end.
Taki Magazine? The refuge of Neo-Nazi supporters, racists and misogynists too edgy for the VICE of old, writers kicked off the still-racist-as-fuck National Review for going too far, and which shares writers with the white supremacist group VDARE? And the article is written by notorious dehumanizer of women of color Jim Goad? Imagine my surprise when he calls the vandalism at Ebenzer Baptist a "fishy 'hate crime'" (yes, complete with scare quotes), constantly refers to the pro-Confederate flag rally attendees as proud and peacfeul people of grit and determination while the protesters are animalistic and hateful, and comes to the conclusion that the Confederate flag is merely a "symbol" with zero connection to the treatment of PoC in the South.
Who would have thought that Congressman Hank Johnson was on board with History Not Hate?
He's...not? Never mind that it's "heritage," not "history," the article you posted goes into great detail about how proud he was that the Confederate flag is being removed. That he's not all fired up to remove a memorial that is actually located in his congressional district (with all that entails) is not exactly compelling evidence that this is a sentiment shared by a lot of his fellow travelers.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:39 AM on August 4, 2015 [10 favorites]
I'm sorry, what was that about the shoes? I'm trying to keep up here.
posted by chesty_a_arthur at 6:50 AM on August 4, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by chesty_a_arthur at 6:50 AM on August 4, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm guessing the author would not have tried anything like this if the venue had been the Veteran's Hall in Dogpatch on a Saturday night.
well they don't have WiFi so
posted by griphus at 6:55 AM on August 4, 2015 [3 favorites]
well they don't have WiFi so
posted by griphus at 6:55 AM on August 4, 2015 [3 favorites]
Would you like it if you ran, say, an Occupy Wall Street group based in New York, or a feminist group in California, and some racist Floridian joined you and "added a few dozen of [their] friends, who promptly started trolling the shit out of" you? No? Then don't do it to them.
Hahaaahahaaahahaaaha NO. Conflating OWS or feminists with racists is bullshit of the highest order. I mean, that's the bullshit that bullshit shits after a three day bender and eating nothing but gas station burritos.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:12 PM on August 4, 2015 [6 favorites]
Hahaaahahaaahahaaaha NO. Conflating OWS or feminists with racists is bullshit of the highest order. I mean, that's the bullshit that bullshit shits after a three day bender and eating nothing but gas station burritos.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:12 PM on August 4, 2015 [6 favorites]
>objectively evil
well there's your problem right there.
If someone disagrees that racism is objectively evil and needs to be eradicated, they are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:15 PM on August 4, 2015 [3 favorites]
well there's your problem right there.
If someone disagrees that racism is objectively evil and needs to be eradicated, they are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 12:15 PM on August 4, 2015 [3 favorites]
What do you call a group of white lions?
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
*drops mic, gets aloe*
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists at 7:45 PM on August 4, 2015 [6 favorites]
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
*drops mic, gets aloe*
posted by thsmchnekllsfascists at 7:45 PM on August 4, 2015 [6 favorites]
Okay, I honestly don't get the joke. Can somebody explain?
My stupid joke was that a group of lions is called a pride so a group of white lions would be called a "white pride". Wakka wakka!
posted by I-baLL at 7:49 AM on August 5, 2015
My stupid joke was that a group of lions is called a pride so a group of white lions would be called a "white pride". Wakka wakka!
posted by I-baLL at 7:49 AM on August 5, 2015
$20, same as in town.
posted by asperity at 8:27 AM on August 5, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by asperity at 8:27 AM on August 5, 2015 [3 favorites]
Golden Eternity: That image is one of the most perfectly targeted trolls ever.
If you'd attributed it to F.A. Hayek and replaced "man" with something ungendered, those guys would have been up in arms that you'd removed the core message to satisfy your politics (or however their rants go).
Once you see this image, it's hard to ever argue that default-male pronouns aren't sexist.
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 12:16 AM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]
If you'd attributed it to F.A. Hayek and replaced "man" with something ungendered, those guys would have been up in arms that you'd removed the core message to satisfy your politics (or however their rants go).
Once you see this image, it's hard to ever argue that default-male pronouns aren't sexist.
posted by rum-soaked space hobo at 12:16 AM on August 10, 2015 [2 favorites]
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