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March 5, 2002 9:25 AM   Subscribe

Does this picture make you feel inadequate? The UK Guardian asked a number of men in Selfridges underwear department how they felt but I'm wondering how the men (and women) of Metafilter feel about it...
posted by LMG (73 comments total)

 
Doesn't make me feel inadequate. My hair's just as long. Oh, wait...
posted by ColdChef at 9:32 AM on March 5, 2002


hehe. it's not the size of the ship, but the motion of the ocean.
posted by centrs at 9:34 AM on March 5, 2002


Atthe time Shakespeare lived, men easily duplicated this sort of thing: the codpiece gave the illusion for men that a stuff bra did for women. After all, a paid medle;p so too John Wad Holmes was hired for porn films not so much upon his acting ability.
posted by Postroad at 9:35 AM on March 5, 2002


it makes me feel insecure, yes. dean, the accountant aged 26, had it right i think. it's just the flipside of the coin. but while the image makes me feel insecure, it's not such a huge deal; i work out regularly. i do what i can, though one can only do so much.
posted by moz at 9:36 AM on March 5, 2002


No, but the expression on his face makes me feel more intelligent. Why do the CK ad people always make their models look so vapid?
And anyways, my hair is longer.
posted by Su at 9:36 AM on March 5, 2002


Anyway, I'll let you in on a secret - male models always stuff their pants with damp white bread. Did you know that? So that's just a loaf of bread down there.

You learn something new every day.
posted by Hildago at 9:39 AM on March 5, 2002


All guys looked stacked in tight undies, and an extra flaccid inch or two is not noticable, or an indication of the actual erect length.

His physique is more intimidating than the bulge. He has a nice body, just like the guy on the Bowflex commercial or Brad Pitt in 'Fight Club', nothing a little exercise couldn't help fix. It tells me I am lazy rather than inadequate.
posted by remlapm at 9:40 AM on March 5, 2002


The responses in the Guardian article were hilarious!

"God, no, he doesn't upset me. Why not? Because he just looks gay. Male models never make me feel insecure. Do you fancy him? I can't really see why women would fancy him, he just looks like a big poof."

I love the British vernacular: "he just looks like a big poof."

I guess since I've posted I should answer the question. I don't feel inadequate -- I just say "good for him." Analogy: I doubt Donald Trump feels "inadequate" in the wealth department just because Bill Gates makes so much more.
posted by pardonyou? at 9:41 AM on March 5, 2002


photoshop 6. *sigh* Is there nothing it cant do?
posted by monkeyJuice at 9:41 AM on March 5, 2002


Not only does it look like he's packing a loaf in the front of his shorts (!), there's something strangely wrong with his upper body. I can't put my finger on it, but it disturbs me just a little. I think it has to do with his tits. Shudder.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:42 AM on March 5, 2002


Inadequate? Pshaw! I have more hair in my left nostril than he has on his whole body!
posted by groundhog at 9:42 AM on March 5, 2002


Poor, insecure, deluded Martin:

Martin, 25, engineer

"God, no, he doesn't upset me. Why not? Because he just looks gay. Male models never make me feel insecure. Do you fancy him? I can't really see why women would fancy him, he just looks like a big poof. Anyway, he's not that big, I don't see what the big deal is. My girlfriend would definitely not fancy him. He is totally not her type. Trust me, I know."

posted by ColdChef at 9:45 AM on March 5, 2002


even I have more muscles than that, and I'm a woman
posted by dagny at 9:46 AM on March 5, 2002


He's got a nice bod and a big lookin' dick and good on him. It a very rare combination. Men who pump iron usually, to compensate for their inadequate feeling, have microscopic penises.
posted by dydecker at 9:47 AM on March 5, 2002


nope ... not inadeqate a bit. I look just like that.
in the right light ...
If I twist the right direction ...
and suck in my gut ...
yea ...
I kinda look just like that ...
mostly ...
posted by Dillenger69 at 9:52 AM on March 5, 2002


Oh, come on, Dydecker, really. I'd love to see the study that came from.

Fish: It's partially that he's not evenly developed. He's got big poofy mantitties, but not really anything else. He's got a muscular stomach, for example, but absolutely no definition.
posted by Su at 9:55 AM on March 5, 2002


no. my tits are way bigger.
posted by quonsar at 9:57 AM on March 5, 2002


What can I say? Camera adds ten pounds.
posted by Ptrin at 9:58 AM on March 5, 2002


Truly, this picture made me chuckle. Not because of the size of anything in there, but because of the pause, the look, the whole "this is ridiculous" thing about this picture.

Also, what remlapm said : "nothing a little exercise couldn't help fix. It tells me I am lazy rather than inadequate". But I won't cut on Nutella, I just can't =)
posted by XiBe at 9:58 AM on March 5, 2002


Now why would any woman feel inadequate looking at a 16 year old boy?
posted by Red58 at 9:59 AM on March 5, 2002


I can't say it any better than Joe the merchant banker said:

"He's just some poncy model, couldn't give a toss, really."

Classic.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 10:17 AM on March 5, 2002


I'd never be mistaken for a male model (I look more like a weatherbeaten Ned Flanders), but my wife and my son love me. So I feel quite adequate, thankyouverymuch.
posted by alumshubby at 10:35 AM on March 5, 2002


No, does not make me feel inadequate. Not because I am so enlightened as to be above that sort of thing, but because it's not really that large. I don't deny that I've been jealous of a few porn stars in my time--if you want complete candor, and maybe you don't--but this guy? Meh, average.

And I congratulate the metafilter community at large on resisting the urge to photoshop this picture so far.
posted by Hildago at 10:38 AM on March 5, 2002


Not inadequate, at all.

Said in the voice of a famous Austrian action star:
"I will crush the little pansy man like a grape. The pretty little girly man is weak."
posted by Samizdata at 10:46 AM on March 5, 2002


Are you guys nuts? I feel horribly inadequate.

This guy makes three times as much as I do. I want to cry.
posted by Skot at 11:00 AM on March 5, 2002


It's fascinating since these types of ads with gorgeous men in them have started becoming mainstream, to hear men saying things like: it's stuffed with bread, he's gay (why is that an insult?), he's stupid, it's not really that large, they used photoshop on him, etc. It's exactly the same thing women say about beautiful models (they're anorexic, they're stupid, their boobs are fake, they paid for their bodies, it's airbrushed, their boobs are taped together, etc.)

OF COURSE a picture like that makes most guys feel inadequate. Because most guys won't ever look remotely as good as that guy. That doesn't mean that guys want to be him, but face it, he looks better than most guys out there. Anyone who says it doesn't make them feel inadequate is either equally as good looking or lying.

As a woman, I hate slim, big boobed,tall, beautiful women, and they make me feel fat, lazy and inadequate. I feel like I can never measure up to them in men's eyes because they are unbelievably and unrealistically beautiful. But you know what, I don't want to be those women. I'd rather have brains and a respectable job, but it still doesn't mean that models don't make me feel bad.

So let's be realistic guys....you'd like to look like him. He makes you feel a little bad about your bodies, and you hope that women who walk down the street aren't comparing you to him. Welcome to our hell.
posted by aacheson at 11:07 AM on March 5, 2002


why feel inadequate when only one of us knows how to spell the word "inadequate"?

literacy is sexy.
posted by will at 11:12 AM on March 5, 2002


Oh Will, that kind of "comeback" just shows off how really intelligent you are. Really. I'm impressed. I'm sure everyone else is, too.
posted by aacheson at 11:15 AM on March 5, 2002


I refuse to measure my manhood fiscally. If that was true, I'd be Ethel Merman.
posted by Samizdata at 11:21 AM on March 5, 2002


aacheson, seeing this guy doesn't make me feel inadequate, and I'm neither lying nor as good-looking as he is.

Inadequate: Not adequate to fulfill a need or meet a requirement; insufficient.

I just don't feel that you need to look like him (or have a "package" like him, which was the original intent of the question) to be "adequate." Nor does it make me feel bad at all -- good on him for being so handsome and hung. Maybe it's just one of those Mars/Venus things.
posted by pardonyou? at 11:22 AM on March 5, 2002


Who knew Calvin Klein was making Depends? Thanks, LMG.
posted by tsarfan at 11:23 AM on March 5, 2002


I feel like I can never measure up to them in men's eyes because they are unbelievably and unrealistically beautiful.

aacheson: As a man, let me just take this opportunity to say that there are ALL different types of beauty, and enlightened gentlemen know that beauty comes from deep inside. As the great poet once said, "Give me a sister, can't resist her/Red beans and rice didn't miss her."
posted by ColdChef at 11:26 AM on March 5, 2002


OF COURSE a picture like that makes most guys feel inadequate.

So when we insist that it doesn't make us feel inadequate, we're just proving how inadequate it really makes us feel?
posted by Hildago at 11:50 AM on March 5, 2002


Hildago, It's the excuses that have been given up that make me think it really does make guys feel bad. It's the same thing women do. They make excuses (she bought the body, it's airbrushed, etc.) to make themselves feel better. I recognize the symptoms.

Okay, so maybe it doesn't make ALL men feel inadequate, but probably most. And I wasn't just talking about his "package," I was talking about his body, as well.
posted by aacheson at 12:00 PM on March 5, 2002


*blubbering* Yes, yes! I give up! It does make me feel inadequate!
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:02 PM on March 5, 2002


There was a study done recently on teenage male inadequacy that confirmed that more and more male teens are feeling the same feelings of inadequacy as women and for the same reason: the ads. Boys now feel as though they have to have a "six pack" and toned physique. I think its interesting that this kind of advertising has the same effect on males as on females. Boys now feel like they have to meet the expectation they feel women have.

And no, I don't feel inadequate. But then I haven't grown up in a world saturated by ads like these. Women have. I think this is what people are angry about when they speak of hegemony.
posted by xammerboy at 12:03 PM on March 5, 2002


Huh. I don't know. I recall him on some morning show of such, and he did sound as ahm.. 'airy' as he looks, and he's also from sweden as well.. or something. I think.

He doesn't even look big in that picture. I don't know what big is.. I mean it's not like it is for women, where size varies a lot more. For men, it's either average, in where it can be large or small, or it can be so large it becomes funny.
posted by tiaka at 12:04 PM on March 5, 2002


Does the guy make me feel inadequate? Well, no. He is, after all, a model, and a male model at that. I think enough of us have seen Zoolander to know what goes on with male models.

I doubt my wife would be that impressed either. She would question the skills of anyone who is hired by the size of thier package. It's not exactally a highly demanded skill in the job market.

Also, MeFi regulars will note that the model in questions is not a member of the Large Penis Support Group.
posted by DragonBoy at 12:08 PM on March 5, 2002


Inadequate? No. The picture makes me feel horny.
posted by evanizer at 12:14 PM on March 5, 2002


Man, Evan, you're losing it. Took you almost 3 hours to pop-in here!
posted by ColdChef at 12:18 PM on March 5, 2002


You took the words right out of my mouth, evanizer (although it could just be the pregnancy hormones talking). Just as long as he doesn't want to "talk" and "cuddle" after. *eesh*
posted by whatnot at 12:22 PM on March 5, 2002


(I know, ColdChef, I don't know what's happening to me. And whatnot, I totally agree...)

And lest anyone feel inadequate, here's a funny (ahem) piece on the model in question, who's name is Travis.

Think of it in terms of a computer metaphor: It's like having a machine with a really big hard drive and dual 1 gig processors but no apps other than 'SimpleText'. How fun is that, really?
posted by evanizer at 12:26 PM on March 5, 2002


I have a hard time finding pants that fit up front. I'm afraid of zippers.
posted by camworld at 12:59 PM on March 5, 2002


Evan: Aw, bless Travis's poor little pea-pickin' heart. Everything's funny to him. Kinda makes you nostaligic for the rapier-like wit of Tyson.
posted by ColdChef at 1:07 PM on March 5, 2002


the first thing i thought when i saw this pic was, "is this an ad for CK underwear, or socks?!"

anyway, since my gf seems well pleased with our relationship, i don't really feel inadequate. sure, it'd be great fun to have an enormous cock (i imagine), but you know, we're not all born to be porn stars.
posted by jo5_h at 1:45 PM on March 5, 2002


this guy looks like about six different idiot ravers su and i were making fun of last night at the boom boom room. i tried to feel intimidated by him, but then uttered the word "daddy." and then i cracked up.
posted by patricking at 1:45 PM on March 5, 2002


Just for clarification of the misremark on the part of one of the respondants:

Usually, male models use a slice of bread to hide their packet. They wear two pairs of underwear, and in between them is placed a slice of WonderBread (wonder why they call it bread) to flatten out the, ah, mountain of manhood. This guy has no Wonder, and hence he's bulging out for everyone to see.

As far as my personal reaction... to be honest, I feel kind of bad for him. First of all, his member looks completely outclassed by its partners. It would be like a woman with a D cup and a B cup. And size doesn't really do it for me, anyway. Same with his general physique. I tend to feel inadequate around guys who I've observed being successful with the ladies, not some random beefcake with a painful-looking sack.
posted by Ptrin at 2:05 PM on March 5, 2002


My cousin was a photographer for men's underwear a while back. She told me she had to go in there and adjust everything to make it look really big. Not that the guys cared. the majority of them were gay.
posted by sadie01221975 at 2:37 PM on March 5, 2002


Don't gay men want to have large penises? IMO penises should be felt and not seen.
posted by Summer at 2:57 PM on March 5, 2002


does it really look THAT big?
posted by Dom at 3:07 PM on March 5, 2002


Just once, I would have liked to be pretty, rather than charming.

On the other hand, I enjoy the luxury of only having to use wonderbread for sandwiches. Self-esteem's picking up!
posted by UncleFes at 3:21 PM on March 5, 2002


I think enough of us have seen Zoolander to know what goes on with male models.

That's a strong assumption to make, friend...
posted by solistrato at 3:29 PM on March 5, 2002


I love the British vernacular: "he just looks like a big poof."

Wish they had've asked us Aussies:

Stroooth - check owt his donga! Looks like a bloody baby's arm holdin' an apple!

retires to men's room with ruler
posted by obiwanwasabi at 3:39 PM on March 5, 2002


Ok, so I was wrong. Damn that NYTM for confusing me!

: )
posted by Ptrin at 3:54 PM on March 5, 2002


Yeah, he might be pretty and so forth, but I could beat the crap out of him. I weight-lift. He starves. So, does that make us equals?
posted by skinsuit at 4:04 PM on March 5, 2002


I admit I want an upper body like his, but it's really all the money I assume he's making that makes me feel bad...and I wouldn't say "inadequate," because it's not like there's some task I've been assigned to accomplish that I'm failing at. But his hairstyle is horrid, his cock isn't that big, and the expression on his face is ridiculous.
posted by bingo at 4:13 PM on March 5, 2002


mmmm... sour grapes.
posted by crunchland at 4:17 PM on March 5, 2002


i actually went to college with a guy who used to model for CK among other things (he's the one on the left in the bottom picture). He was an incredibly nice guy and a lot sharper and more together than most anyone else I ever met in college, so, uh, I'd have to agree with sjc.

meanwhile I think I'm more jealous of rockstars or movie directors than models. I mean -- you only get to be Travis, int'l supermodel, for what, 5 years, tops? But you get to be Mick Jagger forever...
posted by fishfucker at 4:27 PM on March 5, 2002


The fake manufactured world of advertising and its complete lack of reality should effect me how? Not to be too cynical here, but I just see the end result of many photos, lots of grooming, lighting, someone's vision of what the ad should be, etc.
posted by skallas at 4:35 PM on March 5, 2002


aacheson: what's your problem? i really don't care whether i impressed you or anyone else. i was making a statement about the picture and the definition of "sexy" as being exclusively physical, not looking for attention.

look at the expression on the guy's face, it's selling an image of stupidity, for reasons beyond my powers of logic.

ps - i consider being snarky and rude not sexy.
posted by will at 5:12 PM on March 5, 2002


You can't really tell a thing about how an erect penis will look by checking out some guy's flaccid package, so why on earth would any man feel inadequate just from looking at this picture?

That said, sandy-haired, vapid-looking Australian boys whose bodies are displayed five times their normal size on kiosks all over major metropolitan areas don't do it for me; I like geeks.
posted by pudders at 6:00 PM on March 5, 2002


"But you get to be Mick Jagger forever..."

Shudder. No one, not even Mick himself, deserves that punishment.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:37 PM on March 5, 2002


Boys now feel as though they have to have a "six pack" and toned physique.

Yeah, and us middle-aged dudes just stop worrying at some point and enjoy the fact that we have a half-case instead!

Sure, I'd love to walk around in a body like that for a day. If I had pecs like that, I'd find a million different reasons not to wear a shirt. But, it's not something I spend a whole lot of time wishing for. One of my clients is a woman who has an implanted device that pumps painkillers directly into her spinal cord. It takes her a few minutes to get out of her chair at the end of a session. Every time she comes to see me, I sit there and think about how much I LOVE my body.
posted by apollo at 9:09 PM on March 5, 2002


He looks gay to me. He has a woman's lips. He also looks like a little clueless boy being warped by society as we speak (write).
posted by ParisParamus at 9:21 PM on March 5, 2002


Geeze... I'm so embarrassed... where did they find that silly old picture of me? Did I leave that laying around somewhere? My bad.
posted by BlueScreen at 9:27 PM on March 5, 2002


"But you get to be Mick Jagger forever..."

Shudder. No one, not even Mick himself, deserves that punishment.


Yeah, the sex with Jerry Hall must have been absolute hell.
posted by bingo at 9:33 PM on March 5, 2002


His underpants are looking at me. Wherever I go around my room, it's always pointing in my direction... Eurgh...
posted by barbelith at 7:01 AM on March 6, 2002


His underpants are looking at me. Wherever I go around my room, it's always pointing in my direction... Eurgh...
posted by barbelith at 7:01 AM on March 6, 2002


His underpants are looking at me. Wherever I go around my room, it's always pointing in my direction... Eurgh...
posted by barbelith at 7:03 AM on March 6, 2002


I would gleefully kill you all to look like that.
posted by johnnyace at 11:43 AM on March 6, 2002


What's in his pants is hardly impressive (how can you tell anything from that??), but wouldn't mind a slim body like that.
posted by wackybrit at 3:29 PM on March 6, 2002


It's exactly the same thing women say about beautiful models (they're anorexic, they're stupid, their boobs are fake, they paid for their bodies
these things are true, though! I mean, they may or may not apply to particular models, but are certainly true of some. Personally, I wouldn't want larger boobs, and though perhaps I'd like to have a firmer tummy or whatever, I'm a lot more likely to be envious of someone who can do things I cant with her body, than simpy the body (e.g., a great dancer).

As a woman, I hate slim, big boobed,tall, beautiful women, and they make me feel fat, lazy and inadequate. I feel like I can never measure up to them in men's eyes because they are unbelievably and unrealistically beautiful.
Well, this is not true of everyone. Of course I sometimes feel jealous or inadequate, but rarely simply due to someone's looks. That's really the least interesting part of the scenario. If someone's beautiful and talented and smart etc etc, I may be more jealous than if she were ugly and talented and smart, sadly, but models in a magazine often look plasticated and overly sexualized and tend to be pushing dumb products, so they don't get me upset. They certainly don't make me feel inadequate. 20-year-olds who publish highly acclaimed novels - now that gets me down.
posted by mdn at 5:28 PM on March 6, 2002


I think he looks good, but I'm not bothered about it. Why should I? It's not a competition.
posted by cx at 7:47 PM on March 7, 2002


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