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October 2, 2015 12:09 PM Subscribe
We live in an obnoxiously hyper social age when even shitting and pissing has to be a communal activity.
posted by Foci for Analysis at 12:40 PM on October 2, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by Foci for Analysis at 12:40 PM on October 2, 2015 [5 favorites]
Liberpeé, égalipeé, fraternipeé
sorry. i'm done.
posted by dudemanlives at 12:41 PM on October 2, 2015 [16 favorites]
sorry. i'm done.
posted by dudemanlives at 12:41 PM on October 2, 2015 [16 favorites]
I don't even have a shy bladder and I cannot imagine trying to piss in something like that. I have been squinting at it for ten minutes and I still can't even figure out the physical mechanics of how you get your damn pants/underwear configured to use it, let alone how you actually position yourself over the weird pointy lip thing and convince your urethral sphincter to actually let you pee when you're half convinced you're going to piss all over your thighs and legs.
I'd rather pee in the shower and my revulsion at the revelation that people do that has been a running joke in my household for the last six months.
Also, props to the photo of the gentleman pissing with his boxer-clad ass hanging out in the air for all passersby to see. You are a braver person than I, sir.
posted by sciatrix at 12:45 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
I'd rather pee in the shower and my revulsion at the revelation that people do that has been a running joke in my household for the last six months.
Also, props to the photo of the gentleman pissing with his boxer-clad ass hanging out in the air for all passersby to see. You are a braver person than I, sir.
posted by sciatrix at 12:45 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
well, pretty sure none of the trans women I know would want to use that.
posted by desjardins at 12:49 PM on October 2, 2015 [6 favorites]
posted by desjardins at 12:49 PM on October 2, 2015 [6 favorites]
I still can't figure out how to use it! Maybe if they would quit with the blue-liquid method of advertising it and show us someone with their pants actually down...
Also, no, not everyone squats over toilets, and many people physically can't.
posted by fiercecupcake at 12:55 PM on October 2, 2015 [5 favorites]
Also, no, not everyone squats over toilets, and many people physically can't.
posted by fiercecupcake at 12:55 PM on October 2, 2015 [5 favorites]
So where does the toilet paper go? Or do you just have to resign yourself to pisswet underwear for the rest of the day?
posted by poffin boffin at 12:59 PM on October 2, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 12:59 PM on October 2, 2015 [3 favorites]
nvm i see the hilariously tiny trash cans that will be overflowing in ~20 minutes with heaps of pissy toilet paper and used tampax.
posted by poffin boffin at 1:01 PM on October 2, 2015 [8 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 1:01 PM on October 2, 2015 [8 favorites]
Third link, fourth picture, the "privacy" barriers quite clearly form the shape of a swastika.
posted by mochapickle at 1:16 PM on October 2, 2015
posted by mochapickle at 1:16 PM on October 2, 2015
All I can think of is It's a Privilege to Pee
posted by still_wears_a_hat at 1:18 PM on October 2, 2015
posted by still_wears_a_hat at 1:18 PM on October 2, 2015
All I can think of is that Danish is almost impossible to understand, and that it's most likely all a misunderstanding. Are we SURE these things aren't meant for disposing soft drinks turned flat or motor oil or something?
posted by Namlit at 1:27 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by Namlit at 1:27 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
It seems like most of the criticism here is a variation of "This doesn't meet every need that a full bathroom does, therefore it sucks."
But I don't think that it is intended to replace regular stalls entirely. Men's rooms have both urinals *AND* stalls. If this setup lets even half the women in a venue empty their bladders quicker than normal, then there will be more traditional stalls for the women who need them.
posted by mrgoldenbrown at 1:29 PM on October 2, 2015 [3 favorites]
But I don't think that it is intended to replace regular stalls entirely. Men's rooms have both urinals *AND* stalls. If this setup lets even half the women in a venue empty their bladders quicker than normal, then there will be more traditional stalls for the women who need them.
posted by mrgoldenbrown at 1:29 PM on October 2, 2015 [3 favorites]
most of the criticism here is "i am a woman and i don't understand how to use this successfully" in which success is equivalent to not being covered in your own urine.
posted by poffin boffin at 1:31 PM on October 2, 2015 [13 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 1:31 PM on October 2, 2015 [13 favorites]
MetaFilter: success is equivalent to not being covered in your own urine
posted by neroli at 1:37 PM on October 2, 2015 [22 favorites]
posted by neroli at 1:37 PM on October 2, 2015 [22 favorites]
most of the criticism here is "i am a woman and i don't understand how to use this successfully"
Certain design solutions need to be peer-reviewed.
posted by Namlit at 1:40 PM on October 2, 2015 [16 favorites]
Certain design solutions need to be peer-reviewed.
posted by Namlit at 1:40 PM on October 2, 2015 [16 favorites]
posted by mrgoldenbrown
I lol'd.
posted by octobersurprise at 1:40 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
I lol'd.
posted by octobersurprise at 1:40 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
The larger problem that needs to be addressed is having to live our lives subjected to the tyranny of our bladders.
posted by Zack_Replica at 1:42 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Zack_Replica at 1:42 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
Pee Better.
posted by the man of twists and turns
tee hee
posted by numaner at 2:01 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by the man of twists and turns
tee hee
posted by numaner at 2:01 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
i mean honestly i'm not sure how i'd use this without being covered in someone else's urine.
ideally i would never be covered in ANY urine regardless of its source.
posted by poffin boffin at 2:48 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
ideally i would never be covered in ANY urine regardless of its source.
posted by poffin boffin at 2:48 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
PeeBetter is a strategic platform for developing human solutions to peeing in public space – for both sexes. The ambition is to unite cultural understanding, infrastructure and design to find genuine solutions to peoples’ genuine needs.
Give me strength. My genuine need is just to have a piss. Can you make that happen without me having to squat over a lime-green replica of Big Bird's open mouth while my ass nearly touches the woman beside me? I'd be ever so grateful.
posted by billiebee at 3:50 PM on October 2, 2015 [5 favorites]
Give me strength. My genuine need is just to have a piss. Can you make that happen without me having to squat over a lime-green replica of Big Bird's open mouth while my ass nearly touches the woman beside me? I'd be ever so grateful.
posted by billiebee at 3:50 PM on October 2, 2015 [5 favorites]
...in which success is equivalent to not being covered in your own urine...ANY urine...
"unite cultural understanding" yeah.
...a lime-green replica of Big Bird's open mouth...
But now I really need to lie down or something. Euch.
posted by Namlit at 3:57 PM on October 2, 2015
"unite cultural understanding" yeah.
...a lime-green replica of Big Bird's open mouth...
But now I really need to lie down or something. Euch.
posted by Namlit at 3:57 PM on October 2, 2015
This is what Peeple should have been.
posted by pmdboi at 4:03 PM on October 2, 2015 [8 favorites]
posted by pmdboi at 4:03 PM on October 2, 2015 [8 favorites]
Sometimes, in those last minutes before waking up from a night's slumber, my urgent bladder induces dreams where I can't seem to find a urinal or toilet that's private enough, unoccupied, or in working order, even after going down college-building hallways studded with elaborate, layers-deep men's rooms and locker rooms, or hiking stairs to higher and higher house attics with private bathrooms that aren't unlocked, forever, ever searching, never finding a toilet I can work with.
The appearance of these urinals (Girlinals. Gurinals. No, better not try that.) really does remind me of those hall-of-mirrors bathroom dreamscapes I've wandered through, searching hither and yon for a toilet, urinal, clean shower (of course I have), or private sink (I'm not proud of that), that balances my needs for the urgent but not desperate whiz, with the balancing force of not wanting to interact with another person while doing it.
Then I wake up, grateful I'm no longer that pre-pubescent child from decades ago who just let loose in the sheets, and I move to the bathroom to take care of that business.
In short, this is a thing of very mild nightmares*, and I say that as a man who has peed in some very grotty places before. Sometimes you hold your penis because it's the cleanest thing in the bathroom.
*these dreams usually enhanced slightly with the back-of-my-mind thought that something I put down or aside to go the bathroom is probably being stolen while I'm looking for a damn toilet.
posted by Sunburnt at 4:12 PM on October 2, 2015 [9 favorites]
The appearance of these urinals (Girlinals. Gurinals. No, better not try that.) really does remind me of those hall-of-mirrors bathroom dreamscapes I've wandered through, searching hither and yon for a toilet, urinal, clean shower (of course I have), or private sink (I'm not proud of that), that balances my needs for the urgent but not desperate whiz, with the balancing force of not wanting to interact with another person while doing it.
Then I wake up, grateful I'm no longer that pre-pubescent child from decades ago who just let loose in the sheets, and I move to the bathroom to take care of that business.
In short, this is a thing of very mild nightmares*, and I say that as a man who has peed in some very grotty places before. Sometimes you hold your penis because it's the cleanest thing in the bathroom.
*these dreams usually enhanced slightly with the back-of-my-mind thought that something I put down or aside to go the bathroom is probably being stolen while I'm looking for a damn toilet.
posted by Sunburnt at 4:12 PM on October 2, 2015 [9 favorites]
Are we SURE these things aren't meant for disposing soft drinks turned flat or motor oil or something?
Urinal confusion is a sad thing, as this poor man can attest.
Just from a design perspective, I really like the pee trees (linked in the Gothamist article), though in reality they don't add anything to just peeing on the tree other than perhaps reduced splashing for those with poor aim. (I've been to the Roskilde festival, and the sheer number of men peeing on the tree line at any given moment was astounding, so I can see why they are trying ways of diverting some of that urine.)
I've seen designs for female urinals before (some installed in sports stadiums, I believe) but as far as I know none have ever been widely adopted. Making something that works for women of all heights and who are wearing the full range of women's clothing, including jeans and skirts and so on) isn't a simple issue, and when you consider creating some privacy as well there is a reason this isn't a solved problem yet.
posted by Dip Flash at 4:37 PM on October 2, 2015
Urinal confusion is a sad thing, as this poor man can attest.
Just from a design perspective, I really like the pee trees (linked in the Gothamist article), though in reality they don't add anything to just peeing on the tree other than perhaps reduced splashing for those with poor aim. (I've been to the Roskilde festival, and the sheer number of men peeing on the tree line at any given moment was astounding, so I can see why they are trying ways of diverting some of that urine.)
I've seen designs for female urinals before (some installed in sports stadiums, I believe) but as far as I know none have ever been widely adopted. Making something that works for women of all heights and who are wearing the full range of women's clothing, including jeans and skirts and so on) isn't a simple issue, and when you consider creating some privacy as well there is a reason this isn't a solved problem yet.
posted by Dip Flash at 4:37 PM on October 2, 2015
There is a very big difference between pee coming out of urethra surrounded by fleshy lips and hair and pee coming out a tube of flesh. Hence the need for toilet paper. So I get that the idea is speedy relief but I don't want speedy relief followed by wet underpants.
Users squat rather than standing up, maintaining their poise by clutching handles at the edge of each screen.
Yeah, no. I don't want to be the 50th or the 100th person clutching the handles.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:48 PM on October 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
Users squat rather than standing up, maintaining their poise by clutching handles at the edge of each screen.
Yeah, no. I don't want to be the 50th or the 100th person clutching the handles.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:48 PM on October 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
These don't look that bad to me, and I'm fairly certain I could manage without soiling my shoes. (I am a champion squatter.) Sure, sometimes you need a stall, but sometimes you don't, and there have definitely been times in my life in which I've traded a little privacy for speedy micturation.
Just because there are people who will always need a stall forever doesn't mean that it's wrong to provide for people who don't. However, the people who make enormous seat-nests out of toilet paper that they then refuse to flush, those people should just have to wait in line. Forever.
posted by asperity at 5:34 PM on October 2, 2015
Just because there are people who will always need a stall forever doesn't mean that it's wrong to provide for people who don't. However, the people who make enormous seat-nests out of toilet paper that they then refuse to flush, those people should just have to wait in line. Forever.
posted by asperity at 5:34 PM on October 2, 2015
These urinals look great. I've said it before on the blue, and I'll say it again: the public urinals in Amsterdam are a thing of beauty and convenience. The sooner this idea can be extended to women, the better.
posted by oozy rat in a sanitary zoo at 6:08 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by oozy rat in a sanitary zoo at 6:08 PM on October 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
Sunburnt, my brain does that dream too. I'm usually not looking for an object in the dreams, usually trying to deal with a complex-for-me social situation in which everyone Keeps Talking At Me And Showing Up For No Reason while I'm trying to find a bathroom. And even once I find one, it's usually smack in the middle of a sports arena's worth of people and all the stalls are doorless with broken nasty toilets or don't have toilets at all.
I'm not afraid to duck into an empty looking men's room at an event where the ratios are 90/10 women at the restroom lines, but the idea of people talking between stalls skeeves me and my bladder the hell out, so I don't know how I'd do with this much obvious Other People proximity. Especially if they were drunk and talkative. Which they probably would be, because selection bias.
posted by deludingmyself at 7:35 PM on October 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm not afraid to duck into an empty looking men's room at an event where the ratios are 90/10 women at the restroom lines, but the idea of people talking between stalls skeeves me and my bladder the hell out, so I don't know how I'd do with this much obvious Other People proximity. Especially if they were drunk and talkative. Which they probably would be, because selection bias.
posted by deludingmyself at 7:35 PM on October 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
So ... let me be certain I understand this. Men -- at a festival attended by more than, say, three or four people -- simply whip out their bishops and let spray against the nearest available tree? Right there in front of FSM and everyone?
And Lorax-like -- for the sake of the trees -- urinals were hung on the trunks for the men to aim their own trunks at rather than splashing the solid bark?
Further, these open stalls may become common on the common sidewalks, too?
This is not, as Foci for Analysis said above, a social event for all to share. I'm willing to let bygones be bygones, but let them be bygone in private.
As for the women's version, I'll let those more qualified comment. Not loving the swastika, though. (Or, given the purpose, maybe I am.)
posted by bryon at 7:58 PM on October 2, 2015
And Lorax-like -- for the sake of the trees -- urinals were hung on the trunks for the men to aim their own trunks at rather than splashing the solid bark?
Further, these open stalls may become common on the common sidewalks, too?
This is not, as Foci for Analysis said above, a social event for all to share. I'm willing to let bygones be bygones, but let them be bygone in private.
As for the women's version, I'll let those more qualified comment. Not loving the swastika, though. (Or, given the purpose, maybe I am.)
posted by bryon at 7:58 PM on October 2, 2015
Yeah, dude pictured in the "For men" link...it's always weird/awkward when a dude drops trou to his knees or ankles at a urinal, let alone in public.
posted by Existential Dread at 8:47 PM on October 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Existential Dread at 8:47 PM on October 2, 2015 [2 favorites]
So ... let me be certain I understand this. Men -- at a festival attended by more than, say, three or four people -- simply whip out their bishops and let spray against the nearest available tree? Right there in front of FSM and everyone?
Big music festivals are impressive for the sheer number of people peeing at any given moment, but the worst I've seen was a stadium parking lot where at least a thousand people were tailgating. There were just a few portapotties and busy roads on all sides, so shame just wasn't an option.
posted by Dip Flash at 9:08 PM on October 2, 2015
Big music festivals are impressive for the sheer number of people peeing at any given moment, but the worst I've seen was a stadium parking lot where at least a thousand people were tailgating. There were just a few portapotties and busy roads on all sides, so shame just wasn't an option.
posted by Dip Flash at 9:08 PM on October 2, 2015
Any woman who has an intention of hovering over a (formerly clean) toilet seat should use these instead, so us reasonable people can sit without first seeing if some special-tushed previous occupant has peed all over the seat.
posted by nat at 11:02 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by nat at 11:02 PM on October 2, 2015 [4 favorites]
Also, props to the photo of the gentleman pissing with his boxer-clad ass hanging out in the air for all passersby to see. You are a braver person than I, sir.
I feel like that guy is Doing It Wrong. Is he wearing pants without a fly or what?
posted by threeants at 7:48 PM on October 3, 2015
I feel like that guy is Doing It Wrong. Is he wearing pants without a fly or what?
posted by threeants at 7:48 PM on October 3, 2015
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