Jazz*3*10^9
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When you're on the jazz, man, you're dangerous!
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 1:28 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by The Pluto Gangsta at 1:28 PM on December 8, 2015
I just wanted to point out, if you haven't watched this, that it's not just "haha we did a supercut of Ken Burns saying jazz a lot of times." (2.97 billion is qualitatively more than "a lot" in this case).
posted by straight at 1:34 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by straight at 1:34 PM on December 8, 2015
I enjoy how this gradually shifts from low-effort youtube supercut to something that you'd see on a wall-mounted iPad at the Whitney Biennial
posted by theodolite at 1:34 PM on December 8, 2015 [18 favorites]
posted by theodolite at 1:34 PM on December 8, 2015 [18 favorites]
This -- is disturbing.
posted by andreaazure at 1:38 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by andreaazure at 1:38 PM on December 8, 2015
My God, it's full of jazz.
posted by obscure simpsons reference at 1:39 PM on December 8, 2015 [17 favorites]
posted by obscure simpsons reference at 1:39 PM on December 8, 2015 [17 favorites]
Now I want him to turn to the camera and say "Niiice" a few billion times.
posted by delfin at 1:40 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by delfin at 1:40 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
I believe at 1:03 he says "Jeff."
posted by Wolfdog at 1:45 PM on December 8, 2015 [8 favorites]
posted by Wolfdog at 1:45 PM on December 8, 2015 [8 favorites]
2.97 billion is qualitatively more than "a lot" in this case
Meh, it's no 2.98 billion.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:47 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
Meh, it's no 2.98 billion.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:47 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
I wonder if there actually are 2.97 billion individual "Jazz"es in the video. Even when accounting for the fact that a "Jazz" can start at 44100 different positions per second, and may be played at different pitches, that's a lot of jazz.
posted by ymgve at 1:51 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by ymgve at 1:51 PM on December 8, 2015
Bill Baird strikes again. He's a personal hero of mine in regards to his mastery of the weird.
I had such great shots of him during his performance at the Paper Tiger grand opening event earlier this year.
Than someone broke into my car and swiped all my kit.
If you see his name out there on a placard or a marque... catch him. He's a cool cat.
posted by PROD_TPSL at 1:53 PM on December 8, 2015 [3 favorites]
I had such great shots of him during his performance at the Paper Tiger grand opening event earlier this year.
Than someone broke into my car and swiped all my kit.
If you see his name out there on a placard or a marque... catch him. He's a cool cat.
posted by PROD_TPSL at 1:53 PM on December 8, 2015 [3 favorites]
I had to like open the jazz up and let some of the jazz blood come out to show them.
posted by Nelson at 1:54 PM on December 8, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by Nelson at 1:54 PM on December 8, 2015 [5 favorites]
Still fewer mentions than in his documentary.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 2:32 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by a lungful of dragon at 2:32 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
Basically ends up as white noise.
In other words: smooth jazz.
posted by Atom Eyes at 3:03 PM on December 8, 2015 [4 favorites]
In other words: smooth jazz.
posted by Atom Eyes at 3:03 PM on December 8, 2015 [4 favorites]
I wonder if there actually are 2.97 billion individual "Jazz"es in the video. Even when accounting for the fact that a "Jazz" can start at 44100 different positions per second, and may be played at different pitches, that's a lot of jazz.
It's impossible the hear what's going on, but the video is pretty clear.
The video has the following structure:
A) He plays the base clip, and then plays it a at different times and different speeds, apparently by hand. It's hard to tell how many times he says "jazz". This takes us to roughly the 24 second mark.
B) He plays 4 copies of A in a 2x2 grid, each with a different time offset.
C) He plays 9 copies of B in a 3x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
D ) He plays 9 copies of C in a 3x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
So far part A has repeated 1 + 4 + 4*9 + 4*9*9 = 365 times
E) He takes all of A-D, speeds it up 5x, and plays 20 copies of it, in a 5x4 grid, each with a different time offset.
F) He plays 16 copies of E in a 4x4 grid, each with a different time offset.
G) He plays 12 copies of F in a 4x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
H) He plays 9 copies of G in a 3x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
At this point parts A-D have repeated 38,741 times, and part A has repeated 14,140,100 times.
I) He plays "jazz" two more times for good measure.
If A said "jazz" 210 times, his total is 2,969,421,002
Like 79% of those (2,351,462,400) occur during the last five seconds of part H, which is only 5 seconds long. Playing two copies of a sound with the same speed at the same time is really equivalent to playing one copy twice as loud (or with different panning, if you care about stereo). I strongly suspect the jazzes don't all have unique combinations of time and speed.
posted by aubilenon at 4:32 PM on December 8, 2015 [9 favorites]
It's impossible the hear what's going on, but the video is pretty clear.
The video has the following structure:
A) He plays the base clip, and then plays it a at different times and different speeds, apparently by hand. It's hard to tell how many times he says "jazz". This takes us to roughly the 24 second mark.
B) He plays 4 copies of A in a 2x2 grid, each with a different time offset.
C) He plays 9 copies of B in a 3x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
D ) He plays 9 copies of C in a 3x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
So far part A has repeated 1 + 4 + 4*9 + 4*9*9 = 365 times
E) He takes all of A-D, speeds it up 5x, and plays 20 copies of it, in a 5x4 grid, each with a different time offset.
F) He plays 16 copies of E in a 4x4 grid, each with a different time offset.
G) He plays 12 copies of F in a 4x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
H) He plays 9 copies of G in a 3x3 grid, each with a different time offset.
At this point parts A-D have repeated 38,741 times, and part A has repeated 14,140,100 times.
I) He plays "jazz" two more times for good measure.
If A said "jazz" 210 times, his total is 2,969,421,002
Like 79% of those (2,351,462,400) occur during the last five seconds of part H, which is only 5 seconds long. Playing two copies of a sound with the same speed at the same time is really equivalent to playing one copy twice as loud (or with different panning, if you care about stereo). I strongly suspect the jazzes don't all have unique combinations of time and speed.
posted by aubilenon at 4:32 PM on December 8, 2015 [9 favorites]
So where did jazz come from?
posted by Horace Rumpole at 5:15 PM on December 8, 2015
posted by Horace Rumpole at 5:15 PM on December 8, 2015
I am sitting in a jazz.
posted by ardgedee at 5:26 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by ardgedee at 5:26 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
I shared the link to this post with Bill. Aubilenon, you have impressed him with your mathematical analysis of his work. Good show, fellow MeFites.
posted by PROD_TPSL at 6:23 PM on December 8, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by PROD_TPSL at 6:23 PM on December 8, 2015 [3 favorites]
a "Jazz" can start at 44100 different positions per second, and may be played at different pitches, that's a lot of jazz.
Or a Coltrane solo.
posted by Greg_Ace at 7:50 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
Or a Coltrane solo.
posted by Greg_Ace at 7:50 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
This is exponentially more jazz than I am accustomed to.
I'm so sorry.
posted by 4ster at 7:58 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'm so sorry.
posted by 4ster at 7:58 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
As if 3 billion documentarians cried out, and were silenced.
posted by gusandrews at 8:20 PM on December 8, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by gusandrews at 8:20 PM on December 8, 2015 [3 favorites]
I strongly suspect the jazzes don't all have unique combinations of time and speed.
If this were done in something like Max/MSP which I suspect it was (or even in a standard DAW with clever use of a sampler that supports parameter randomisation), they are likely more unique than you think. Each "jazz" could also be randomly distributed accross the stereo field as well, although I can't tell if that's the case here.
posted by STFUDonnie at 8:30 PM on December 8, 2015
If this were done in something like Max/MSP which I suspect it was (or even in a standard DAW with clever use of a sampler that supports parameter randomisation), they are likely more unique than you think. Each "jazz" could also be randomly distributed accross the stereo field as well, although I can't tell if that's the case here.
posted by STFUDonnie at 8:30 PM on December 8, 2015
Are there samplers that support mixing two billion channels? That seems impractical.
I think he pre-rendered each segment the way I describe above.
And by watching them side-by-side it's clear, when there are multiple concurrent tracks playing, they are all playing at the same speed.
posted by aubilenon at 8:37 PM on December 8, 2015
I think he pre-rendered each segment the way I describe above.
And by watching them side-by-side it's clear, when there are multiple concurrent tracks playing, they are all playing at the same speed.
posted by aubilenon at 8:37 PM on December 8, 2015
Two billion channels live, no of course not. And like I said, I think this was programmed in MAX or something like it. But a virtual sampler in a DAW - I use Shortcircuit in Reaper - could be set up to play 256 "jazz"es with randomized pitch, start offset, and pan every time you hit a note. So put a a MIDI clip that plays the note then duplicate the track 100 times - not the audio, just put the same sampler + midi clip setup on 100 tracks, I don't know abt other DAWs but in Reaper this can be done easily. Now if you hit play your computer might crash but you could render offline 100 times, import those renders and mix them down and you'd have 2,560,000 random jazzes right there. To get into the billions this way would require some dedication I'm now seeing, and it would sound very much like white noise either way, but you get the idea.
posted by STFUDonnie at 9:02 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by STFUDonnie at 9:02 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
This is exponentially more jazz than I am accustomed to.
I've grown accustomed to their pace.
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:33 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
I've grown accustomed to their pace.
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:33 PM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]
Four billion is 32 bits, square root is 16 bits, which is 64k for each component, which is about the right order of magnitude for Hz, plus those five seconds give you another couple of bits...
I wanna say it sounds possible.
posted by inpHilltr8r at 9:34 PM on December 8, 2015
I wanna say it sounds possible.
posted by inpHilltr8r at 9:34 PM on December 8, 2015
In an Exponential Mood
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:37 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:37 PM on December 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
Take Five (Billion)
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:40 PM on December 8, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 9:40 PM on December 8, 2015 [4 favorites]
Ken Burns: I didn't know enough about it
Charles Mingus: 😶
posted by timelord at 11:23 PM on December 8, 2015
Charles Mingus: 😶
posted by timelord at 11:23 PM on December 8, 2015
It looks a bit like what I see what I have a prodigious hangover and accidentally blast my eyes with a flash of full sunlight by brushing the curtains.
posted by lucidium at 9:57 AM on December 9, 2015
posted by lucidium at 9:57 AM on December 9, 2015
Two billion channels live, no of course not. And like I said, I think this was programmed in MAX or something like it.
It's pretty likely he made it in Max MSP - I've met Bill (was a member of his 'laptop orchestra' for a performance in Berlin last year) and the little computer programs / 'instruments' he gave us to play were all made in Max MSP.
He's awesome and sweet and I adore his full embrace of The Weird. Totally inspiring.
posted by Sarah_Lena at 5:19 AM on December 10, 2015
It's pretty likely he made it in Max MSP - I've met Bill (was a member of his 'laptop orchestra' for a performance in Berlin last year) and the little computer programs / 'instruments' he gave us to play were all made in Max MSP.
He's awesome and sweet and I adore his full embrace of The Weird. Totally inspiring.
posted by Sarah_Lena at 5:19 AM on December 10, 2015
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