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Eurovision host Petra Mede and 2015 winner Måns Zelmerlöw teach you how to design the ultimate Eurovision song with Love Love, Peace Peace

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Måns Zelmerlöw's winning entry in the 2015 Eurovision contest, Heroes
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posted by Joe in Australia (49 comments total) 18 users marked this as a favorite
 
Three things:

1) This is probably my favorite pop song structure, so good. I am slightly overwhelmed so I may come back and write a follow up comment on why that structure is sooo amazing.
2) The cutaway to hamsterwheel man running is brilliant, with his posture and everything. Too good, that is sublime.
3) This feeds the pop song analytic in me in so bad, I will never get tired of deconstructing tropes. EVER.
posted by yueliang at 8:02 PM on May 14, 2016 [5 favorites]


This was so much better than any of the actual entrants. Although, I think the right song won (background).
posted by bwerdmuller at 8:02 PM on May 14, 2016


I don't think the Ukrainian entry was the best song but the political anti-Russian votes make sense.
posted by k8t at 8:10 PM on May 14, 2016 [3 favorites]




Video is region-locked and can't be viewed in the US. Is there a mirror somewhere?
posted by Itaxpica at 8:22 PM on May 14, 2016


This is working for me in the US.
posted by ourobouros at 8:27 PM on May 14, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is it me, or was last year's show a lot better? And what's the deal with not being able to see Justin Timberlake's performance in the US? My faves from this year's competition were Australia and Belgium. I wonder if Australia will be invited back again.
posted by droplet at 8:30 PM on May 14, 2016


I really hope Australia does get invited back. No offense to Jamala, but Dami Im was robbed.
posted by Itaxpica at 8:37 PM on May 14, 2016 [1 favorite]


(Also, I'm gonna let you finish, but Dancing Lasha Tumbai was the greatest Eurovision entry of all time)
posted by Itaxpica at 8:39 PM on May 14, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yueliang, please, please do that. I don't know anything about song structure but I love reading about it.
posted by Joe in Australia at 8:41 PM on May 14, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also, special kudos to the camera operators and director. That was some very fine cutting and angles, and really highlights how pop is really its own universe. After watching countless kpop music stages, I have a special, special love for the staff who know their way around filming a music performance, and I always get hyped for Eurovision because of that same dedication to both the visual and audio overload. (good and bad!) (Gonna drop three performances full of dancers, lights, smizing, and catchy music that remind me so much of the well honed tropes that go on with both the Eurovision 2015 winning song and this skit performance.) (1) (2) (3)

I just love how really great camerawork really highlights certain elements of the song and performance itself, and how everyone works really hard to make sure that the camera gets the right amount of smoldering eye and smizing. The skit is so good because they obviously all worked very hard on this and knew exactly how to land the jokes. So good!
posted by yueliang at 8:51 PM on May 14, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yueliang, please, please do that. I don't know anything about song structure but I love reading about it.

Hahaha oh man! I really have to figure out how to even break it down in the first place, since I'm not trained in music, but I'm fairly sure I have heard this particular arrangement and how it's designed. I think it's the key changes and the ways that the instruments come in and fill out that really are supposed to hit certain emotions that I've heard in other pop songs. I will try really hard to do some research, and if not, I'll just write an AskMeFi question so that more knowledgeable souls than me can help me out...
posted by yueliang at 8:57 PM on May 14, 2016 [1 favorite]


The first link's been pulled from YouTube. Here's the original on SVT Play. It'll be up till June 13.

ourobouros' alternate YouTube link will probably be fine, too, since it's from the Eurovision Song Contest's YouTube channel.
posted by nangar at 9:15 PM on May 14, 2016


Much in the spirit of Love Love Peace Peace, Hit Song demonstrates some of those song structures yueliang is talking about ...
posted by ourobouros at 9:20 PM on May 14, 2016 [2 favorites]


A friend of mine found the Twitter feed of Kit Lovelace, who has analyzed past winners for things like beats per minute, minor/major key, key changes, lyrics references. Here's an article she wrote explaining why the UK keeps losing:

The perfect musical formula for winning Eurovision – and why the UK is way off the mark
"Songs in major keys tend to sound bright, happy and joyful, whereas songs in minor keys tend to sound darker and more moody. If you’re thinking that brightness, happiness and joy are just the things to clinch Eurovision victory, then you are falling into the very same trap that the UK repeatedly plunges itself into.

Although songs in major keys did great business at Eurovision in the 20th century, Europe’s tastes have changed. Since 2000, 12 of the 16 winning entries have been in a minor key."
posted by dnash at 9:21 PM on May 14, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, that reminds me of another video I love that demonstrates how key changes work in major pop hits: Epic Key Changes by CDZA.
posted by ourobouros at 9:27 PM on May 14, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh man, this was my favorite part of the whole presentation. Love that they included last year's flaming piano.
posted by maryr at 9:53 PM on May 14, 2016


Watched this at a Eurovision party.

The most entertaining thing about it this year wasn't the music, which for the most part was very bland, interchangeable pop, but the effects. Wow! Some very creative and talented people worked on those.

Had a few first-time watchers at the party who found it underwhelming, unfortunately. It hasn't been that good lately. Not enough embrace of fun and camp. And almost all of the songs being in English takes away another piece of the diversity that made Eurovision fun once.
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 10:17 PM on May 14, 2016


What did Brett do WRONG I ASK YOU
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 10:51 PM on May 14, 2016


I still think Malta shoulda won.
posted by Rev. Syung Myung Me at 11:03 PM on May 14, 2016


I don't know why we weren't allowed to see Justin Timberlake's performance in the US. That didn't make sense to me.

This was the first time I've been able to watch Eurovision, and I loved it. I was surprised that most of the songs were in English! Belgium was my favorite, and I also really liked France and Spain.
posted by SisterHavana at 11:07 PM on May 14, 2016 [1 favorite]


I always prefer the songs in languages other than English, because it is less obvious that they are vapid doggerel.

Perversely, this effect in reverse is probably why songs in English are so popular with the Euroglot audience.

Therefore, I suggest that everyone sing in Esperanto from now on.
posted by nickzoic at 12:29 AM on May 15, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was disappointed by the lack of obscure musical instruments this year, so I am very glad this song pointed out their importance for Eurovision success. I swear one year some entry had an old man in the background playing a stick. They never explained what his significance was but he was pretty enthusiastic with his stick-playing.
posted by lesbiassparrow at 12:49 AM on May 15, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think that was a Swiss rhythm stick, and the song was "Je t'adore / Ich liebe dich". And if I'm wrong you can hit me.
posted by the quidnunc kid at 1:00 AM on May 15, 2016 [6 favorites]


ouroburos, thank you so much for sharing with me "Hit Song" and those other wonderful spoofing songs, because that totally makes me remember this performance (eng sub) of the actual classic Kpop song called "Hip Song" as sung and performed by Stephen Colbert's mortal enemy #1, Rain. Yes, there is a memorable dance that people will try to imitate, an actual "woowoooo" part, an audience chanting part, a thumping instrumental, and a drop, repeating of the song title several times, with choreography and camerawork. Pop music, never change!!!

Also, two things -

I figured out that there are not one, but TWO hook dances in this. The obvious one is the "love, love, peace, peace" with the outstretched arm that is echoed by the backup dancers, but the second one is glorious.

The first time, I didn't catch why Måns Zelmerlöw unbuttoned his shirt and did an awkward sexy pelvic move, until I saw on a third viewing that the golden drummer men were doing the same move during the first showing of the hamsterwheelman, nearly a minute before that. A hook dance motif?? A good pop performance is always finely detailed and greatly rewards a close reading, in my opinion.

Also, the lower vocals that rise into the end of the chorus, and the outro reminds me very much of The Lion King's "Be Prepared" aka Scar's evil villain song.
posted by yueliang at 1:46 AM on May 15, 2016 [3 favorites]


Great half time show, perhaps a bit too knowing, but loving all the call backs...

Anyway, I felt compelled to write an open letter to Australia:

Look, Australia, I get it, you love the Eurovision Song Contest and want to be a part of it. But let me explain why I think the pub I was in burst into deafening boos when it looked like you were winning. [I was watching it in a pub in London by the way].

I dig why you're into it because I love Eurovision too. It's an amazing spectacle of kitsch and camp with some hilariously terrible songs but some astoundingly great music too. I'm not even saying that you're liking it wrong - I think we're all past a sneering, snarky, ironic love of it and have a genuine, honest love for it these days. But I don't think you quite get it yet. The Eurovision is so much more than a song contest. It's a projection of "soft power" from each country involved, a complex matrix of geo-political influence channelled into pop-propoganda and the accumulation of cultural capital as a proxy for territorial gains.

This isn't theoretical. This is literally how the sovereign states of Europe define the relationship with one another, and how wars are being fought in the twenty-first century. The countries previously behind the iron curtain being welcomed into the European community, the states of the former Yugoslavia with a recent history of war and genocide, Cyprus torn between Greece and Turkey, Russia and Georgia, Russia and Ukraine. This an existential conflict between Europe as a concept, as an ideology representing multiculturalism, unity, peace, freedom and civil liberties, and the assorted warmongering, nationalist, authoritarian regimes that are either a very recent memory or still clinging to power. Yes, we include Israel in the Eurovision because who knows why but whether or not they're part of this ecosystem of European politics they understand what's at stake when it comes to the fragility of nationhood.

When you were being booed by the people in the pub - all the assorted nationalities congregating in front of the big screen - it's because what's really at stake for you, half way across the world? You're just in it to win a song contest, but don't have a horse in the race when it comes to this bigger picture, the complex network of states, peoples and identities. Regardless of the realities of the neoliberalising EU, Europe as ideology is a powerful, positive force and this is our celebration of that. We treat it like frivolous fun but it's serious business - this is weaponised camp on the front line of a war to shape the future of a federalised Europe.
posted by iivix at 1:59 AM on May 15, 2016 [34 favorites]


a complex matrix of geo-political influence channelled into pop-propoganda

I agree, and I'd just like to point out that I was immensely proud of my friend last night for coining the word "popaganda".

Also given that Ant and Dec Joe and Jake fared so poorly (undeservedly I thought) I'm afraid that Brexit is now a foregone conclusion. I just got the government leaflet yesterday about the dangers of leaving the EU and I haven't read it yet, but I hope there's a whole page pointing out that the UK would no longer be eligible for Eurovision which surely trumps all the other nonsense about trade and human rights and stuff.
posted by billiebee at 2:19 AM on May 15, 2016 [2 favorites]




How can Britland leave the EU when Liverpool is in the FINAL? We could win the whole Europa League and then we get automatic entry into the European Commission next year!!!
posted by the quidnunc kid at 2:34 AM on May 15, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not enough cowbell.
posted by ojemine at 2:43 AM on May 15, 2016


No one here in Australia knows why we are in Eurovision either, but we're willing to go along with it at the same time as admitting it's stupid.
posted by deadwax at 5:02 AM on May 15, 2016


Kudos to Måns, Petra, writers and cast for pulling off comedy+presentation+singing - all in a second language, live and in front of an audience of hundreds of millions. Nothing like a bit of ambition!
posted by rongorongo at 5:09 AM on May 15, 2016


I always prefer the songs in languages other than English, because it is less obvious that they are vapid doggerel.
Corollary: "if the song is in a language other than English - and I can still understand the lyrics - then (alas) it is even more definitely vapid doggerel for native speakers".
posted by rongorongo at 5:25 AM on May 15, 2016 [1 favorite]


At some point while watching that clip on designing the ultimate Eurovision song I totally lost it and just kept laughing hysterically - it was every Eurovision finalist ever, be it Lordi (2006 winner) or that flaming piano from Austria last year. There was even Alexander Rybak (2009 winner) with his violin!

As for Måns Zelmerlöw's white outfit and "awkward sexy pelvic move", just watch Sakis Rouvas in Eurovision 2009.

(Er, no, I am only a casual fan of Eurovision. No, really. Why do you ask?)
posted by needled at 5:47 AM on May 15, 2016 [2 favorites]


Kudos to Måns, Petra, writers and cast for pulling off comedy+presentation+singing - all in a second language, live and in front of an audience of hundreds of millions. Nothing like a bit of ambition

To be fair, to Scandinavians, English is more like a one-and-a-halfth language than a second one.
posted by acb at 7:41 AM on May 15, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was going to post this sortof serious link as its own thread - but given the fresh Eurovision thread, here it is (and more context for the Ukraine entry): Ukraine's entry as a soft-power weapon against Russia.
posted by jb at 8:55 AM on May 15, 2016


I don't know why we weren't allowed to see Justin Timberlake's performance in the US. That didn't make sense to me.

You didn't miss much. /biased, not a timberlake fan.
posted by jb at 8:58 AM on May 15, 2016 [1 favorite]


I sincerely hope that Dancing Lasha hosts for Ukraine next year.
posted by maryr at 10:00 AM on May 15, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, special kudos to the camera operators and director. That was some very fine cutting and angles, and really highlights how pop is really its own universe.

That clip from the rehearsal taken from a static camera in the arena shows how cleverly it was choreographed both as a stage performance and for the viewing audience. It points to the evolution of the venue over the past decade: one of Eurovision's unique qualities is that all the competitors get equal access to one of the best stage setups in the world.

Anyway, 'Love Love Peace Peace' reminded me a little of the song generator that UsVsTh3m did a couple of years back, now sadly broken. Except with a much bigger budget and a lot more detail. I've watched that video half a dozen times and see a new reference every time.

I don't know why we weren't allowed to see Justin Timberlake's performance in the US.

According to Popbitch, the EBU forgot to option the US rights to his performance. Oops.
posted by holgate at 12:33 PM on May 15, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow. The votes were like the most accurate barometer of the geopolitical and demographic tensions seething under the surface of Europe I've ever seen. I imagine that if universities and people are still around in 60 years, it will be possible to major in Eurovision 2016 Studies.
posted by Sonny Jim at 1:04 PM on May 15, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Will Russia win enough points to beat Ukraine?"

I swear I cringed while sitting safely on my own couch.
posted by infini at 1:36 PM on May 15, 2016


> Much in the spirit of Love Love Peace Peace, Hit Song demonstrates some of those song structures yueliang is talking about ...

Also, Generic Uptempo Folk Song.
posted by worldswalker at 1:41 PM on May 15, 2016 [1 favorite]


Therefore, I suggest that everyone sing in Esperanto from now on.
How about Lojban, the artificially constructed, syntactically unambiguous, international language of love?
posted by idiopath at 1:48 PM on May 15, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow. The votes were like the most accurate barometer of the geopolitical and demographic tensions seething under the surface of Europe I've ever seen. I imagine that if universities and people are still around in 60 years, it will be possible to major in Eurovision 2016 Studies.

You joke, but one of the local Eurovision parties (in a Canadian city) was organised by someone who wrote their MA thesis on Eurovision, & diaspora European & LGBTQ identity.
posted by jb at 2:42 PM on May 15, 2016 [3 favorites]


it will be possible to major in Eurovision 2016 Studies

Taught by Dr Paul Jordan, presumably.

(and is it just me, or was "love love peace peace" the catchiest song of the whole night?)
posted by superfish at 11:42 PM on May 15, 2016 [2 favorites]


Not just you - it's the only song from the night that's still stuck in my head.
posted by billiebee at 2:34 AM on May 16, 2016 [1 favorite]


The chorus of "Love Love Peace Peace" is the same chords and nearly the same melody as Poland's entry this year ("What Color Is Your Life"). So my brain keeps mashing them up.
posted by dnash at 7:25 AM on May 16, 2016 [1 favorite]


> The Eurovision is so much more than a song contest. It's a projection of "soft power" from each country involved...

And here I had been led to believe that function would be provided by Rollerball.
posted by ardgedee at 7:29 AM on May 16, 2016 [1 favorite]


Not just you - it's the only song from the night that's still stuck in my head.

I'm cycling through that, Bulgaria's If Love Were A Crime, and Belgium's Under What's The Pressure.
posted by maryr at 3:26 PM on May 16, 2016


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