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That's an...idiosyncratic list. Multiple characters are listed more than once, both as themselves and as their alternate timeline duplicates. Wolverine (Laura Kinney) is deemed to outrank Wolverine (James "Logan" Howlett).
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 11:21 PM on May 29, 2016
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 11:21 PM on May 29, 2016
69. Shark-Girl, Iara Dos Santos
She’s a shark and she’s a girl, I don’t know what’s not to love about this.
I clicked the link because I haven't been following all the comics for a while, and thought, hmm, there must be some I haven't heard of in here. And not only are there some not in the movies, but also WTF?
posted by Metro Gnome at 11:46 PM on May 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
She’s a shark and she’s a girl, I don’t know what’s not to love about this.
I clicked the link because I haven't been following all the comics for a while, and thought, hmm, there must be some I haven't heard of in here. And not only are there some not in the movies, but also WTF?
posted by Metro Gnome at 11:46 PM on May 29, 2016 [1 favorite]
I wish they'd given a power synopsis as well.
posted by dazed_one at 11:57 PM on May 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by dazed_one at 11:57 PM on May 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Yeah, rather than just a quick (mostly unhelpful blurb), it'd be nice if they spent the time to flesh these out a bit.
Also, some of these folk are decidedly not Xmen. I mean, sure, I'll allow Xfactor, Xforce, New Mutants and all, but Captain Britain an Xman? Nuh-uh. And Spiral? Spiral was an Xman? When?
posted by Ghidorah at 11:59 PM on May 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
Also, some of these folk are decidedly not Xmen. I mean, sure, I'll allow Xfactor, Xforce, New Mutants and all, but Captain Britain an Xman? Nuh-uh. And Spiral? Spiral was an Xman? When?
posted by Ghidorah at 11:59 PM on May 29, 2016 [2 favorites]
as determined (at length)And explicated (in brief)...
posted by lumensimus at 12:06 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
How Do Warpath, Wolverine, Karma, Squid Boy And Legion Rate As Great X-Men
All that terrible backstory that's been piled on over the years probably counts against him a lot, as does being in everything to the point of being boring.
posted by Artw at 12:22 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
All that terrible backstory that's been piled on over the years probably counts against him a lot, as does being in everything to the point of being boring.
posted by Artw at 12:22 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Captain Britain an Xman?
Well Excalibur had nightcrawler, (rachel) phoenix, kitty pryde, moira taggert, and lockheed in it at various points...I think it sorta counts? enough so I'm willing to give it a pass. As for spiral, I just chalk it up to probably something that happened in something I haven't read (of which there is A LOT).
posted by juv3nal at 12:25 AM on May 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
Well Excalibur had nightcrawler, (rachel) phoenix, kitty pryde, moira taggert, and lockheed in it at various points...I think it sorta counts? enough so I'm willing to give it a pass. As for spiral, I just chalk it up to probably something that happened in something I haven't read (of which there is A LOT).
posted by juv3nal at 12:25 AM on May 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
I stopped reading X-Men after the Great Mutant Massacre, when Nightcrawler joined eXcalibur etc etc. Must have been... thirty years ago?
posted by My Dad at 12:28 AM on May 30, 2016
posted by My Dad at 12:28 AM on May 30, 2016
Oh wow, I read this completely wrong. The first link, the actual gallery, is the least interesting part. The debates and ratings are where the meat is.
posted by lumensimus at 1:12 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by lumensimus at 1:12 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Well Excalibur had nightcrawler, (rachel) phoenix, kitty pryde, moira taggert, and lockheed in it at various points...
The comic nerd in me feels the need to say that having Wolverine, Beast, Storm, and others in the Avengers doesn't mean Captain America gets an Xmen uniform, but, well, that's not really here nor there. I have my own, weird, irrational feelings about Captain Britain. I always sort of figured there'd be some stiff upper lip British sensibilities that would be offended by having mutants in the family, and that Captain Britain was doing his Colin Firthy best to be a good, if uncomfortably awkward older brother to Betsy. The offended sensibilities would play into her radical character change and acceptance of it a lot better than mystical hand ninja let's make the British white girl Japanese squickiness.
But yeah, I'm just being obstinate.
hangs nerdy head in shame
posted by Ghidorah at 1:13 AM on May 30, 2016
The comic nerd in me feels the need to say that having Wolverine, Beast, Storm, and others in the Avengers doesn't mean Captain America gets an Xmen uniform, but, well, that's not really here nor there. I have my own, weird, irrational feelings about Captain Britain. I always sort of figured there'd be some stiff upper lip British sensibilities that would be offended by having mutants in the family, and that Captain Britain was doing his Colin Firthy best to be a good, if uncomfortably awkward older brother to Betsy. The offended sensibilities would play into her radical character change and acceptance of it a lot better than mystical hand ninja let's make the British white girl Japanese squickiness.
But yeah, I'm just being obstinate.
hangs nerdy head in shame
posted by Ghidorah at 1:13 AM on May 30, 2016
But what Excalibur has too is an X, an exceptionally big X in some of the logos.
posted by SometimeNextMonth at 3:36 AM on May 30, 2016
posted by SometimeNextMonth at 3:36 AM on May 30, 2016
Yeahbut, there's an E!
Still, Captain Britain as an X-man, it's just weird to me. Like Wolverine being in the Fantastic Four level weird. And there's the old standby, he's not technically a mutant, right?
Seriously, though, I know I can't win this one. It's my own irrational thing. I believe in dipping Rice Krispie squares in a smidge of salt, that Jack and Dr. Pepper is infinitely better than Jack and Coke, and that Captain Britain is chummy with, but not of, the X-men.
posted by Ghidorah at 3:49 AM on May 30, 2016
Still, Captain Britain as an X-man, it's just weird to me. Like Wolverine being in the Fantastic Four level weird. And there's the old standby, he's not technically a mutant, right?
Seriously, though, I know I can't win this one. It's my own irrational thing. I believe in dipping Rice Krispie squares in a smidge of salt, that Jack and Dr. Pepper is infinitely better than Jack and Coke, and that Captain Britain is chummy with, but not of, the X-men.
posted by Ghidorah at 3:49 AM on May 30, 2016
I'll go further than that, Ghidorah. I think anyone who was never on a team called "The X-Men" is NOT AN X-MAN.
I mean, I'm willing to be pretty loose on that. You want to claim Carole Danvers as an X-Man? OK. But anyone who was in New Mutants or Excalibur or whatever the heck but never any of the many titles that had the term "X-Men" in it?
Was not an X-Man.
posted by kyrademon at 4:27 AM on May 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
I mean, I'm willing to be pretty loose on that. You want to claim Carole Danvers as an X-Man? OK. But anyone who was in New Mutants or Excalibur or whatever the heck but never any of the many titles that had the term "X-Men" in it?
Was not an X-Man.
posted by kyrademon at 4:27 AM on May 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
Dear Comics Alliance:
Your list is bad and you should feel bad.
posted by entropicamericana at 4:28 AM on May 30, 2016 [7 favorites]
Your list is bad and you should feel bad.
posted by entropicamericana at 4:28 AM on May 30, 2016 [7 favorites]
As someone who read X-men basically from 1975-1981, this list completely offends my sensibilities. The characters I knew and loved are downgraded, often in favour of younger versions or copies, and supplanted either by recent creations or older ones I frankly hated that have been altered in weird ways. Dazzler and Kitty Pryde were abominations in my youth, Emma Frost and Rogue were villains, and there weren't so damned many of them.
It makes me glad to see they're still making comics and characters for today's readers, instead of guys who stopped buying them thirty years ago.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 4:38 AM on May 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
It makes me glad to see they're still making comics and characters for today's readers, instead of guys who stopped buying them thirty years ago.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 4:38 AM on May 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
As someone who read X-men basically from 1980-1989, your comment completely offends my sensibilities.
Which is exactly as it should be.
(Kitty Pryde is the best character and Dazzler was a breath of fresh air. Rogue is good hearted but troubled. Emma Frost will totally kill your pony, though, yeah.)
posted by kyrademon at 4:46 AM on May 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
Which is exactly as it should be.
(Kitty Pryde is the best character and Dazzler was a breath of fresh air. Rogue is good hearted but troubled. Emma Frost will totally kill your pony, though, yeah.)
posted by kyrademon at 4:46 AM on May 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
Dear Comics Alliance:
Your list is bad and badly laid out and you should feel bad.
posted by GenjiandProust at 4:48 AM on May 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
Your list is bad and badly laid out and you should feel bad.
posted by GenjiandProust at 4:48 AM on May 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
It makes me glad to see they're still making comics and characters for today's readers, instead of guys who stopped buying them thirty years ago.
Haha, what, my comment about Wolverine makes me an old fogey? Jeebus, MetaFilter is weird sometimes.
posted by My Dad at 4:57 AM on May 30, 2016
Haha, what, my comment about Wolverine makes me an old fogey? Jeebus, MetaFilter is weird sometimes.
posted by My Dad at 4:57 AM on May 30, 2016
But Dazzler is awesome, and once fought Juggernaut to a standstill (okay, he was a huge fan of hers, and didn't want to kill her, but she still kicked his butt in the rematch).
posted by Ghidorah at 5:20 AM on May 30, 2016
posted by Ghidorah at 5:20 AM on May 30, 2016
Then again, Juggernaut ended up just being one of those guys they'd trot out to show how awesome a new character was because they could beat him. Poor guy, always having to job to the new guy.
posted by Ghidorah at 5:22 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Ghidorah at 5:22 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
As someone who read nothing but second-rate X-Men spinoff comics from 1989-1992, it outrages me that this ranking is not based on a simple ponytail-to-thigh-pouch ratio calculation.
posted by No-sword at 5:24 AM on May 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by No-sword at 5:24 AM on May 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
Nah, my comment makes me an old fogey. Let's see...
Warpath was an X-Man for a millisecond... Sabretooth, Madelyne Pryor, Rogue, Mystique and Magneto were villains... Captain Britain a novelty... Quicksilver an Avenger... Moira's a doctor... Northstar's in Alpha Flight... I know Madrox from F4... and Namor's freakin' Namor, not some X-man.
That leaves Xavier, Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Havok, Polaris, Cyclops, Storm, Banshee, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus. So that's 26 I have s strong familiarity with, only 14 I'd consider X-men.
There's 39 on this list I didn't even know existed. Hellion? Frenzy? Skids? Bling? Rictor? Chamber? No idea. Some of the others I recognize from playing Heroclix or watching cartoons or wandering through the comic shops, but that's it. And these characters obviously have some meaning or connection with today's readers, so they're relevant and interesting to people. I'd say that's a good thing.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:24 AM on May 30, 2016
Warpath was an X-Man for a millisecond... Sabretooth, Madelyne Pryor, Rogue, Mystique and Magneto were villains... Captain Britain a novelty... Quicksilver an Avenger... Moira's a doctor... Northstar's in Alpha Flight... I know Madrox from F4... and Namor's freakin' Namor, not some X-man.
That leaves Xavier, Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Havok, Polaris, Cyclops, Storm, Banshee, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus. So that's 26 I have s strong familiarity with, only 14 I'd consider X-men.
There's 39 on this list I didn't even know existed. Hellion? Frenzy? Skids? Bling? Rictor? Chamber? No idea. Some of the others I recognize from playing Heroclix or watching cartoons or wandering through the comic shops, but that's it. And these characters obviously have some meaning or connection with today's readers, so they're relevant and interesting to people. I'd say that's a good thing.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:24 AM on May 30, 2016
Namor can be on any team he wants whenever he wants and will be in charge.
posted by vrakatar at 5:54 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by vrakatar at 5:54 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
having looked over these and pondered them deeply i theorise, and back me up here, that comic books may be extremely silly
posted by Sebmojo at 6:07 AM on May 30, 2016 [9 favorites]
posted by Sebmojo at 6:07 AM on May 30, 2016 [9 favorites]
That's an...idiosyncratic list.
The first rule of comics über-nerddom is to always name-check as many obscure/tertiary characters as possible.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:17 AM on May 30, 2016
The first rule of comics über-nerddom is to always name-check as many obscure/tertiary characters as possible.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:17 AM on May 30, 2016
What, no Negasonic Teenage Warhead?
The comics version of that character was kind of a nothing plot-device wrapped in a throwaway joke about how the X-Men are running out of clear/descriptive code names. She popped up in a handful of issues and was even brought back from the dead at least once, but never really had any particular fan following.
On the plus side, this obscurity allowed the Deadpool screenwriters to salvage the name and build a completely new character around it. Movie!NTW is about 1000 times more entertaining than Comics!NTW.
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:20 AM on May 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
The comics version of that character was kind of a nothing plot-device wrapped in a throwaway joke about how the X-Men are running out of clear/descriptive code names. She popped up in a handful of issues and was even brought back from the dead at least once, but never really had any particular fan following.
On the plus side, this obscurity allowed the Deadpool screenwriters to salvage the name and build a completely new character around it. Movie!NTW is about 1000 times more entertaining than Comics!NTW.
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:20 AM on May 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
Namor can be on any team he wants whenever he wants and will be in charge.
Namor will also bed your woman. But only if you are worthy of that honor.
posted by delfin at 6:44 AM on May 30, 2016
Namor will also bed your woman. But only if you are worthy of that honor.
posted by delfin at 6:44 AM on May 30, 2016
I've been racking my brains trying to figure a clever segue, some sort of hook to make this seem like an organic part of the conversation, but, screw it:
Rob Liefeld sucks. And blows. Simultaneously.
I might do a retcon later to make it seem like this was part of the general comment continuity.
posted by signal at 7:20 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Rob Liefeld sucks. And blows. Simultaneously.
I might do a retcon later to make it seem like this was part of the general comment continuity.
posted by signal at 7:20 AM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
If Val Cooper is a member of the X-Men, Henry Peter Gyrich is an Avenger.
posted by straight at 8:59 AM on May 30, 2016
posted by straight at 8:59 AM on May 30, 2016
Sorry, but even as someone who found X-Men: Apocalypse to be quite a bit better than early reviews made it out to be, even as someone who started picking up the book not long after Giant-Sized X-Men #1 and didn't drop it until well after Chris Claremont showed unmistakeable signs of believing his own press, I can't be bothered with fussing over why so-and-so is underrated, especially in comparison to some Rob Liefeld third-stringer. The only way I'd read this is if I thought that by doing so I could kill the ranking listicle, and I mean real death, not comic-book death.
posted by Halloween Jack at 9:21 AM on May 30, 2016
posted by Halloween Jack at 9:21 AM on May 30, 2016
there are more than 100 X-Men?
Depending on how you count it, easily.
posted by Artw at 9:26 AM on May 30, 2016
Depending on how you count it, easily.
posted by Artw at 9:26 AM on May 30, 2016
How many do you want?
*Keeps flicking Jamie Madrox*
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:34 AM on May 30, 2016 [3 favorites]
*Keeps flicking Jamie Madrox*
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:34 AM on May 30, 2016 [3 favorites]
If Val Cooper is a member of the X-Men, Henry Peter Gyrich is an Avenger.
Actually, I've always thought that a Larry Trask heel-face-turn would be interesting.
posted by eclectist at 11:08 AM on May 30, 2016
Actually, I've always thought that a Larry Trask heel-face-turn would be interesting.
posted by eclectist at 11:08 AM on May 30, 2016
There's a lot of weird stuff to this list, but the thing I am having the most trouble with is Bishop having a first name.
posted by ckape at 12:43 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by ckape at 12:43 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
And Spiral? Spiral was an Xman? When?
Spiral was in one of the more recent iterations of X-Force.
Yeahbut, there's an E!
I thought for sure there was a 90's phase (like when Warren Ellis was writing and Captain Britain was Britannic or whatever nonsense) where it was styled as X-Calibur but that was apparently a mad fever dream.
And there's the old standby, he's not technically a mutant, right?
Oh let's see, neither are list members Karima Shapandar, Cloak, Dagger, Deadpool, Spiral, Warlock, Meggan, Hepzibah, Lockheed, Val Cooper, Moira... and the dance teacher (I think?).
Oh and by a weird technicality neither is Madrox since his powers manifested at birth and not at puberty.
posted by davros42 at 1:04 PM on May 30, 2016
Spiral was in one of the more recent iterations of X-Force.
Yeahbut, there's an E!
I thought for sure there was a 90's phase (like when Warren Ellis was writing and Captain Britain was Britannic or whatever nonsense) where it was styled as X-Calibur but that was apparently a mad fever dream.
And there's the old standby, he's not technically a mutant, right?
Oh let's see, neither are list members Karima Shapandar, Cloak, Dagger, Deadpool, Spiral, Warlock, Meggan, Hepzibah, Lockheed, Val Cooper, Moira... and the dance teacher (I think?).
Oh and by a weird technicality neither is Madrox since his powers manifested at birth and not at puberty.
posted by davros42 at 1:04 PM on May 30, 2016
Oh let's see, neither are list members ... Cloak, Dagger ....
Marvel Wiki says otherwise: Cloak, Dagger.
Oh and by a weird technicality neither is Madrox since his powers manifested at birth and not at puberty.
Is this an actual thing/rule in the Marvel universe? It definitely feels like something I would argue about at the lunch table in high school. I mean, Nightcrawler is born blue and fuzzy and no one says he isn't a mutant.
posted by aureliobuendia at 1:21 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Marvel Wiki says otherwise: Cloak, Dagger.
Oh and by a weird technicality neither is Madrox since his powers manifested at birth and not at puberty.
Is this an actual thing/rule in the Marvel universe? It definitely feels like something I would argue about at the lunch table in high school. I mean, Nightcrawler is born blue and fuzzy and no one says he isn't a mutant.
posted by aureliobuendia at 1:21 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Still, Captain Britain as an X-man, it's just weird to me. Like Wolverine being in the Fantastic Four level weird. And there's the old standby, he's not technically a mutant, right?
Funnily enough, Wolverine, Spiderman, Ghost Rider and Hulk formed a "new Fantastic Four" in - inevitably - the 90s, when the originals were kidnapped by Skrulls.
Anyway, Captain Britain is not strictly speaking an X-Man, but then a bunch of these characters are not X-Men - they are New Mutants, or members of X-Factor, or X-Statix, or the Starjammers, and so on.
However, he is indubitably an X-Men character - Chris Claremont repeatedly brought him into the X-Universe before Excalibur kicked off, and Excalibur itself is a remarkable mix of the Alan Moore Captain Britain mythos (the Captain Britain Corps, the Avant Garde, the Technet, a surprisingly small amount of Marvel UK) and the X-Verse. And Excalibur was indubitably an X-book. So, the problem is that the title of the article doesn't describe what it actually is, which is "(largely good-aligned) characters from the X-Men side of the Marvel Universe". Which is itself a pretty loose set - Carol Danvers, for example, is absent I suspect not on the merits but because to a modern-age reader she feels like an Avengers character, despite having spent much of her career hanging out with the X-Men and then the Starjammers.
posted by running order squabble fest at 1:24 PM on May 30, 2016
Funnily enough, Wolverine, Spiderman, Ghost Rider and Hulk formed a "new Fantastic Four" in - inevitably - the 90s, when the originals were kidnapped by Skrulls.
Anyway, Captain Britain is not strictly speaking an X-Man, but then a bunch of these characters are not X-Men - they are New Mutants, or members of X-Factor, or X-Statix, or the Starjammers, and so on.
However, he is indubitably an X-Men character - Chris Claremont repeatedly brought him into the X-Universe before Excalibur kicked off, and Excalibur itself is a remarkable mix of the Alan Moore Captain Britain mythos (the Captain Britain Corps, the Avant Garde, the Technet, a surprisingly small amount of Marvel UK) and the X-Verse. And Excalibur was indubitably an X-book. So, the problem is that the title of the article doesn't describe what it actually is, which is "(largely good-aligned) characters from the X-Men side of the Marvel Universe". Which is itself a pretty loose set - Carol Danvers, for example, is absent I suspect not on the merits but because to a modern-age reader she feels like an Avengers character, despite having spent much of her career hanging out with the X-Men and then the Starjammers.
posted by running order squabble fest at 1:24 PM on May 30, 2016
(Unless Carol Danvers was in there, in which case disregard that.)
posted by running order squabble fest at 1:31 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by running order squabble fest at 1:31 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
This list is awful technically yes there are probably at least 200 X-Men by now but the reality is that the comic is basically dominated by roughly 20 major characters with a a massive rotating cast of complete wall dressing.
Like others have said this list is bad and CA should change their name to Comics Idiots or Comics Trollposters
posted by vuron at 1:35 PM on May 30, 2016
Like others have said this list is bad and CA should change their name to Comics Idiots or Comics Trollposters
posted by vuron at 1:35 PM on May 30, 2016
Marvel Wiki says otherwise
That wiki also says that Squirrel Girl is a mutant, but as we all know, she is medically and legally distinct from being a mutant.
posted by ckape at 1:52 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
That wiki also says that Squirrel Girl is a mutant, but as we all know, she is medically and legally distinct from being a mutant.
posted by ckape at 1:52 PM on May 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
I thought for sure there was a 90's phase... where it was styled as X-Calibur but that was apparently a mad fever dream.
Close! During Age of Apocalypse it was retitled X-Calibre.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 2:05 PM on May 30, 2016
Close! During Age of Apocalypse it was retitled X-Calibre.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 2:05 PM on May 30, 2016
I love Shark-Girl. Great job, Shark-Girl.
posted by ariadne's threadspinner at 2:47 PM on May 30, 2016
posted by ariadne's threadspinner at 2:47 PM on May 30, 2016
So, entirely from memory (there will be omissions) and in the interest of, well, it's a long train ride to work:
Original Five: Cyclops, Marvel Girl/Jean Grey/Phoenix, Beast, Ice Man, Angel/Archangel
New class: Wolverine, Storm, Nighcrawler, Colossus, Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde, that guy who died in the first mission, shit, I'm forgetting someone, uh, Banshee
Next new group: Dazzler, Rogue, Psylocke, Longshot, Havok(?)
Then, guh, Jubilee, followed by, uh, Gambit, and later, Bishop.
Then follows a list of folks who were at one time or another on a team called the X-men (uncanny, astonishing, new, or adjectiveless): Magneto, Cable (not Nate Grey), Nate Grey (not Cable), Sabertooth, Cannonball, Husk, Rachel Summers (if she can teach at the school, and is a mutant: --> X-men status), Professor X, Emma Frost, Polaris, X 23, Hope Summers, Magick, possibly Quinton Quire, though I'm fuzzy, Armor, Dust...
I didn't include anyone who was strictly New Mutants, X-force, or X-factor, so no Guido, Moonstar, Shatterstar (God, why didn't someone take away Liefield's pencil after that one?) etc.
I know I missed people, but I haven't been a regular reader for a while (and more than likely, given this list, you can figure out where I threw in the towel). However, I would say that Namor was more of a jerk that hung around and was occasionally useful, but one so OP they couldn't make him leave if they wanted to.
posted by Ghidorah at 3:17 PM on May 30, 2016
Original Five: Cyclops, Marvel Girl/Jean Grey/Phoenix, Beast, Ice Man, Angel/Archangel
New class: Wolverine, Storm, Nighcrawler, Colossus, Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde, that guy who died in the first mission, shit, I'm forgetting someone, uh, Banshee
Next new group: Dazzler, Rogue, Psylocke, Longshot, Havok(?)
Then, guh, Jubilee, followed by, uh, Gambit, and later, Bishop.
Then follows a list of folks who were at one time or another on a team called the X-men (uncanny, astonishing, new, or adjectiveless): Magneto, Cable (not Nate Grey), Nate Grey (not Cable), Sabertooth, Cannonball, Husk, Rachel Summers (if she can teach at the school, and is a mutant: --> X-men status), Professor X, Emma Frost, Polaris, X 23, Hope Summers, Magick, possibly Quinton Quire, though I'm fuzzy, Armor, Dust...
I didn't include anyone who was strictly New Mutants, X-force, or X-factor, so no Guido, Moonstar, Shatterstar (God, why didn't someone take away Liefield's pencil after that one?) etc.
I know I missed people, but I haven't been a regular reader for a while (and more than likely, given this list, you can figure out where I threw in the towel). However, I would say that Namor was more of a jerk that hung around and was occasionally useful, but one so OP they couldn't make him leave if they wanted to.
posted by Ghidorah at 3:17 PM on May 30, 2016
New class: Wolverine, Storm, Nighcrawler, Colossus, Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde, that guy who died in the first mission, shit, I'm forgetting someone, uh, Banshee
I think you're forgetting Sunfire, although he quit after the first mission, and Warpath, who died shortly after the first mission (to rescue the original X-Men from Krakoa). Oh, and Mimic and Changeling were original X-Men, to some degree. And Dani Moonstar spent a short time as an active-duty X-Person after X-Force, before focusing on teaching at various incarnations of the Xavier School and then rejoining the New Mutants.
Possibly the question is whether anyone has _not_ been an X-Man at some point.
posted by running order squabble fest at 6:35 PM on May 30, 2016
I think you're forgetting Sunfire, although he quit after the first mission, and Warpath, who died shortly after the first mission (to rescue the original X-Men from Krakoa). Oh, and Mimic and Changeling were original X-Men, to some degree. And Dani Moonstar spent a short time as an active-duty X-Person after X-Force, before focusing on teaching at various incarnations of the Xavier School and then rejoining the New Mutants.
Possibly the question is whether anyone has _not_ been an X-Man at some point.
posted by running order squabble fest at 6:35 PM on May 30, 2016
I would go:
Original team: Professor X, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Angel, Iceman
Original team, people for whom a reasonable argument can be made: Havoc, Polaris
Original team, people you could count if you're a pedant: Changeling, Mimic
Second team, most prominent new members: Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus
Second team, new members who also should really count: Banshee, Thunderbird
Second team, new people you could count if you're a pedant: Sunfire
80's-era new recruits: Shadowcat (Kitty Pryde), Rogue, Rachel Summers, Magneto, Longshot, Psylocke, Dazzler, Madelyne Pryor, Forge
80's era, people for whom a reasonable argument can be made: Lockheed, Binary (Carole Danvers), Gateway
Not members but, eh, I'd give it to you: Moria McTaggart, Stevie Hunter
90's-era new recruits: Gambit, Jubilee, Bishop, Cannonball
90's era, people who ... I guess were briefly members? I kind of stopped paying attention here: Revanche, Joseph, Cecilia Reyes, Marrow, Maggott
So, up through the end of the 90's, we have ~40 members of various incarnations of the team in its first ~40 years.
Research indicates that post-2000 members may have included: Petra, Sway, Darwin, Vulcan, Thunderbird (a different one), Cable, Mirage, Sage, Emma Frost, Chamber, Stacey X, Lifeguard, Slipstream, Northstar, Husk, Juggernaut, Xorn, Mystique, Warpath, Lady Mastermind, Sabretooth, Omega Sentinel, Armor, Hepzibah, Pixie, Karma, Sunspot, Aurora, Magma, Doctor Nemesis, Box, Magik, Namor, Domino, Cloak, Dagger, Boom-Boom, Ariel, Danger, Cypher, Warlock, Fantomex, E.V.A., Wolverine (Laura Kinney), Hope, Frenzy, Legion, X-Man, Warbird, Blink, Firestar, M, ForgetMeNot, Old Man Logan ... THAT'S LIKE 60 ALREADY AND THERE'S DOZENS MORE WHO MIGHT COUNT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON???
posted by kyrademon at 6:52 PM on May 30, 2016
Original team: Professor X, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Angel, Iceman
Original team, people for whom a reasonable argument can be made: Havoc, Polaris
Original team, people you could count if you're a pedant: Changeling, Mimic
Second team, most prominent new members: Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Storm, Colossus
Second team, new members who also should really count: Banshee, Thunderbird
Second team, new people you could count if you're a pedant: Sunfire
80's-era new recruits: Shadowcat (Kitty Pryde), Rogue, Rachel Summers, Magneto, Longshot, Psylocke, Dazzler, Madelyne Pryor, Forge
80's era, people for whom a reasonable argument can be made: Lockheed, Binary (Carole Danvers), Gateway
Not members but, eh, I'd give it to you: Moria McTaggart, Stevie Hunter
90's-era new recruits: Gambit, Jubilee, Bishop, Cannonball
90's era, people who ... I guess were briefly members? I kind of stopped paying attention here: Revanche, Joseph, Cecilia Reyes, Marrow, Maggott
So, up through the end of the 90's, we have ~40 members of various incarnations of the team in its first ~40 years.
Research indicates that post-2000 members may have included: Petra, Sway, Darwin, Vulcan, Thunderbird (a different one), Cable, Mirage, Sage, Emma Frost, Chamber, Stacey X, Lifeguard, Slipstream, Northstar, Husk, Juggernaut, Xorn, Mystique, Warpath, Lady Mastermind, Sabretooth, Omega Sentinel, Armor, Hepzibah, Pixie, Karma, Sunspot, Aurora, Magma, Doctor Nemesis, Box, Magik, Namor, Domino, Cloak, Dagger, Boom-Boom, Ariel, Danger, Cypher, Warlock, Fantomex, E.V.A., Wolverine (Laura Kinney), Hope, Frenzy, Legion, X-Man, Warbird, Blink, Firestar, M, ForgetMeNot, Old Man Logan ... THAT'S LIKE 60 ALREADY AND THERE'S DOZENS MORE WHO MIGHT COUNT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON???
posted by kyrademon at 6:52 PM on May 30, 2016
Yeah, this is a dumb exercise doomed to failure, but honestly, Magik is greater than Professor X? Shatterstar is greater than Professor X?
posted by whir at 9:15 PM on May 30, 2016
posted by whir at 9:15 PM on May 30, 2016
I think the only list that Shatterstar should top is a list entitled "Things that made the nation wake up and say, holy shit, the 90s were awful, what were we thinking, we're sorry"
posted by Ghidorah at 10:49 PM on May 30, 2016
posted by Ghidorah at 10:49 PM on May 30, 2016
what are you even
the only way shatterstar could be cooler is if his name were shatterblood
or maybe bloodblood
posted by No-sword at 11:14 PM on May 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
the only way shatterstar could be cooler is if his name were shatterblood
or maybe bloodblood
posted by No-sword at 11:14 PM on May 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
Professor X is a jerk.
posted by Artw at 11:21 PM on May 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
posted by Artw at 11:21 PM on May 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
To be fair, Professor X's competence as a professor is very much open to question. Whereas Shatterstar is very much being his best self.
posted by running order squabble fest at 12:44 AM on May 31, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by running order squabble fest at 12:44 AM on May 31, 2016 [1 favorite]
Origin: A place literally called "Mojoworld."
Powers: Can hold sword and gun at the same time. Able to hide deformed nubbin-feet behind rocks and low shrubs.
posted by No-sword at 6:06 AM on May 31, 2016 [2 favorites]
Powers: Can hold sword and gun at the same time. Able to hide deformed nubbin-feet behind rocks and low shrubs.
posted by No-sword at 6:06 AM on May 31, 2016 [2 favorites]
A sword with two blades, mind you. Side by side blades, so you always have to carry it, because what scabbard could possibly hold that?
Also, standard one scarred eye, occasionally glows.
posted by Ghidorah at 7:21 AM on May 31, 2016 [1 favorite]
Also, standard one scarred eye, occasionally glows.
posted by Ghidorah at 7:21 AM on May 31, 2016 [1 favorite]
Sword blades are like razor blades. By 2012 Shatterstar's sword had five blades, with another one extending from the hilt for fine detail work.
These days his sword only has two blades again, but he has a service that sends him a new set of blades every week.
The blades-as-a-service company was set up by the proprietor of a local Salem Center bar and eaterie that the X-Men frequented, who was inspired by the complaints of Shatterstar, Longshot, the Silver Samurai and others that their blades, throwing stars etc kept getting blunted when fighting indestructible enemies like Juggernaut.
And if you get that reference, you probably have strong feelings about the 100 best X-Men.
posted by running order squabble fest at 9:35 AM on May 31, 2016 [3 favorites]
These days his sword only has two blades again, but he has a service that sends him a new set of blades every week.
The blades-as-a-service company was set up by the proprietor of a local Salem Center bar and eaterie that the X-Men frequented, who was inspired by the complaints of Shatterstar, Longshot, the Silver Samurai and others that their blades, throwing stars etc kept getting blunted when fighting indestructible enemies like Juggernaut.
And if you get that reference, you probably have strong feelings about the 100 best X-Men.
posted by running order squabble fest at 9:35 AM on May 31, 2016 [3 favorites]
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