Then two will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
July 25, 2016 10:53 AM Subscribe
Fundamentalist theologian and rapture prophet Tim LaHaye, best known as the co-author of the Left Behind books, has passed away at the age of 90 after suffering a stroke.
I mean this without a trace of irony: I hope he finds that something exists beyond this life, and that it's one hell of a lot more forgiving and loving than he thought it was.
posted by middleclasstool at 10:58 AM on July 25, 2016 [61 favorites]
posted by middleclasstool at 10:58 AM on July 25, 2016 [61 favorites]
For a long, patient, thorough, and devastating critique of both the writing and theology of the Left Behind series, check out Fred Clark's blog, Slaktivist. He's been going through the series, analyzing it page by page for years; I'm sure he'll have an interesting obituary up in the near future.
posted by damayanti at 11:04 AM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]
posted by damayanti at 11:04 AM on July 25, 2016 [20 favorites]
Now wait a minute... where did I leave that empathy... I can't seem to find it anywhere...
It's easy to not take this guy seriously, but through his writings and ministry LaHaye is personally responsible for a massive amount of mindfuckery that has made the world a darker, less humane place.
posted by mondo dentro at 11:14 AM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]
It's easy to not take this guy seriously, but through his writings and ministry LaHaye is personally responsible for a massive amount of mindfuckery that has made the world a darker, less humane place.
posted by mondo dentro at 11:14 AM on July 25, 2016 [11 favorites]
If there is a Jesus, I hope he meets Him in the form of a very out AIDS victim in the advanced stages of the disease offering him a warm embrace. Oh, you didn't know that was Me, too?
posted by praemunire at 11:15 AM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]
posted by praemunire at 11:15 AM on July 25, 2016 [14 favorites]
I hope Mr. LaHaye's Chönyi bardo is being as interesting as he deserves it to be.
posted by rdone at 11:21 AM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]
posted by rdone at 11:21 AM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]
∅
posted by chimaera at 11:23 AM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by chimaera at 11:23 AM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
It's a shame that CT obituary neglected to mention his one true masterpiece, The Unhappy Gays.
posted by imnotasquirrel at 11:24 AM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by imnotasquirrel at 11:24 AM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
“he is where he has always wanted to be” … what, dead?
posted by scruss at 11:26 AM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by scruss at 11:26 AM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
But how will neocons sell their disastrous ME foreign policy to evangelicals without fresh apocalypse porn?
posted by Beholder at 11:35 AM on July 25, 2016
posted by Beholder at 11:35 AM on July 25, 2016
Tried to read that series, and the writing was amazingly bad and pitched for the maximally stupid audience. I was embarrassed for LeHaye.
posted by BrotherCaine at 11:41 AM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by BrotherCaine at 11:41 AM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
You have to admit the movie was really good, though. Right? I mean it had Nicolas Cage.
posted by Naberius at 11:58 AM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Naberius at 11:58 AM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
You have to admit the movie was really good, though. Right? I mean it had Nicolas Cage.
Eh, it was no National Treasure.
posted by imnotasquirrel at 12:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
Eh, it was no National Treasure.
posted by imnotasquirrel at 12:04 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
I read the first book in that series in about an hour and fifteen minutes. It was WAY too long.
posted by Lyme Drop at 12:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Lyme Drop at 12:09 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
Well, I feel badly for the people he left behind.
I'll show myself out.
posted by Catbunny at 12:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]
I'll show myself out.
posted by Catbunny at 12:25 PM on July 25, 2016 [15 favorites]
He left us all behind.
posted by wabbittwax at 12:26 PM on July 25, 2016
posted by wabbittwax at 12:26 PM on July 25, 2016
I read the first couple books in the series, as well, but just had no inspiration or will to continue any further. I'm not a fan of the Rapture, but was intrigued by the dystopian-type elements to the story telling. I hear HBO has done something a bit more interesting. As for LeHay, I had no idea about his background, and feel rather gross for having indulged as much as I did in his fantasies.
posted by Atreides at 12:28 PM on July 25, 2016
posted by Atreides at 12:28 PM on July 25, 2016
But how will neocons sell their disastrous ME foreign policy to evangelicals without fresh apocalypse porn?
As LaHaye succeeded Hal Lindsey, so is there going to be some dink to succeed LaHaye.
Unless we are finally done with this nonsense, which is surely too much to hope for.
I read not only Lindsey and even several of his lesser-known imitators (those that did fiction were sometimes entertainingly pulpy compared to the Left Behind stuff) as well as saw those Thief in the Night videos at youth events. My dad wasted so much time and money obsessed with biblical prophecy nonsense and scared the crap out of me as a kid. It was all messed-up bushwa, a way for Christians to forget about all that boring, help-the-poor, give up your riches nonsense, because the world's about to end and all those people who refused to take your tracts/get saved will finally get what's coming to them.
posted by emjaybee at 12:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]
As LaHaye succeeded Hal Lindsey, so is there going to be some dink to succeed LaHaye.
Unless we are finally done with this nonsense, which is surely too much to hope for.
I read not only Lindsey and even several of his lesser-known imitators (those that did fiction were sometimes entertainingly pulpy compared to the Left Behind stuff) as well as saw those Thief in the Night videos at youth events. My dad wasted so much time and money obsessed with biblical prophecy nonsense and scared the crap out of me as a kid. It was all messed-up bushwa, a way for Christians to forget about all that boring, help-the-poor, give up your riches nonsense, because the world's about to end and all those people who refused to take your tracts/get saved will finally get what's coming to them.
posted by emjaybee at 12:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [10 favorites]
When you're an atheist, you have to learn to take death on its own terms. Accepting that there's no afterlife means accepting that the brief peace and cessation of suffering that greets us all before brain death is exactly the same for Tim LaHaye as it was for, say, Mr. Rogers, or anyone else who truly deserved an eternal reward. It's both frustrating and freeing.
posted by Countess Elena at 1:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by Countess Elena at 1:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
Chuck Tingle's Left Behind, the story of an asymmetrical butt in which the larger left cheek tops the right one, sort of like Secretary but about the place where you poop/put dongs
posted by middleclasstool at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]
posted by middleclasstool at 1:35 PM on July 25, 2016 [12 favorites]
I don't know if this question fits in the thread, but I'd love some good suggestions for Apocalypse fiction that doesn't involve religion, zombies, or teenagers.
posted by Beholder at 1:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Beholder at 1:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Beholder
Not today, Floating Eyeball Satan
posted by middleclasstool at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]
Not today, Floating Eyeball Satan
posted by middleclasstool at 1:41 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]
The Last Policeman is Apocalypse fiction that doesn't involve religion, zombies, or teenagers. I have not yet read the third book, tho.
posted by crush-onastick at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
posted by crush-onastick at 1:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
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I tried to read the books when they were first a thing. I wanted to read them both because I'm kind of interested in extreme evangelical Christianity as a sort of curiosity (note my embarrassing knowledge of Duggar-lore in the Duggar posts) and because they were such a big cultural thing that it seemed like cultural literacy demanded they be read. Anyway, I got about a page and a half into the first book, in line at the bookstore, and decided I just couldn't stomach a whole book, let alone a whole series, that was that badly written.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 2:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
I tried to read the books when they were first a thing. I wanted to read them both because I'm kind of interested in extreme evangelical Christianity as a sort of curiosity (note my embarrassing knowledge of Duggar-lore in the Duggar posts) and because they were such a big cultural thing that it seemed like cultural literacy demanded they be read. Anyway, I got about a page and a half into the first book, in line at the bookstore, and decided I just couldn't stomach a whole book, let alone a whole series, that was that badly written.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 2:00 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
I'm surprised at his age... I always thought the books were junvellia and the authors fresh out of their 20s at the oldest.
posted by subdee at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by subdee at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
Does anyone have change for a piece of bread? I'll take one, maybe two bags of gold.
posted by beerperson at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by beerperson at 2:05 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
I'm in a weird spot here - I'm a fairly conservative Christian who is NOT a premillennialist (the church I'm a member of doesn't sell it, either) and therefore never really "got" this kind of end-times porn. My biggest headache concerning this stuff was when I used to deal with a Baptist boss who more-than-half-jokingly would respond to requests for IT money with "maybe the Lord will come back and we won't have to worry about it."
But regardless, I think we'll all probably have something to be surprised at when we die...
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posted by randomkeystrike at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
But regardless, I think we'll all probably have something to be surprised at when we die...
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posted by randomkeystrike at 2:34 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
The Slacktivist obit dayamanti mentioned above is out. My favorite quote:
Tim LaHaye has died, but it’s not the end of the world.
(Immediately following a paragraph observing that all these end times prophets still manage to do their retirement and estate planning)
posted by TedW at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
Tim LaHaye has died, but it’s not the end of the world.
(Immediately following a paragraph observing that all these end times prophets still manage to do their retirement and estate planning)
posted by TedW at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016 [5 favorites]
It's easy to not take this guy seriously, but through his writings and ministry LaHaye is personally responsible for a massive amount of mindfuckery that has made the world a darker, less humane place.
This kind of literature, and the subsequent movies had a profound, direct negative impact on my life growing up in an ultra-conservative church. I was an anxious kid, prone to depression, and everything that came out of this vein of Christianity just made things demonstrably worse. Books and other media like this were pushed on me way too young (Hey 8 year old, you're naturally nervous, have trouble sleeping and should be on medication for anxiety? Lets watch Thief in the Night a couple dozen times, and here's a library fullllll of apocalyptic litterature outlining how if you don't believe in god, you're going to be left ALONE FOREVER in a goddamn WARZONE...why don't you feel better about anything? Nah, don't go see a therapist, just watch this movie about roving gangs of UN troops killing the rest of your friends and family, you'll feel better after that). I had nightmares related to dispensationalist and millennialist theology for the better part of two decades, and still involuntary colors how I view the world.
So from a deep, sincere corner of my heart, and for every other kid forced to be exposed to this kind of media way too young; fuck off LaHay. I hope there is no peace for you to be had.
posted by furnace.heart at 3:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [22 favorites]
This kind of literature, and the subsequent movies had a profound, direct negative impact on my life growing up in an ultra-conservative church. I was an anxious kid, prone to depression, and everything that came out of this vein of Christianity just made things demonstrably worse. Books and other media like this were pushed on me way too young (Hey 8 year old, you're naturally nervous, have trouble sleeping and should be on medication for anxiety? Lets watch Thief in the Night a couple dozen times, and here's a library fullllll of apocalyptic litterature outlining how if you don't believe in god, you're going to be left ALONE FOREVER in a goddamn WARZONE...why don't you feel better about anything? Nah, don't go see a therapist, just watch this movie about roving gangs of UN troops killing the rest of your friends and family, you'll feel better after that). I had nightmares related to dispensationalist and millennialist theology for the better part of two decades, and still involuntary colors how I view the world.
So from a deep, sincere corner of my heart, and for every other kid forced to be exposed to this kind of media way too young; fuck off LaHay. I hope there is no peace for you to be had.
posted by furnace.heart at 3:06 PM on July 25, 2016 [22 favorites]
Anne Lamott one described Left Behind as "hard-core right-wing paranoid anti-Semitic homophobic misogynistic propaganda, not to point too fine a point on it" and said that the author was "spiritualizing his own hysteria."
And she's a Christian.
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posted by 4ster at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]
And she's a Christian.
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posted by 4ster at 3:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [9 favorites]
One thing that must be frustrating for believers in pretribulationism and the similar novel forms of Christianity that have popped up in the past century or so is that they don't really have any tools in their religion to think about the mystery/horror/inevitability of death. The bible as read by baseline Christians has a bunch of genuinely affecting verses about death, and about how it comes like a thief in the night, and so forth — but the pretribulationist heresy novel interpretation repurposes most of those verses into talking about the rapture instead.
This results in a religion centered around a type of white-knuckled denial of death — you suckers might die, but not me! I'm gonna get raptured! I don't have to worry about death, cause I'm gonna get hoisted bodily up into the skies by God himself! When someone who believes in this... novel hermeneutic... dies, their mourners have very little to say, other than (more or less unbiblical) platitudes about how they're in heaven now.
There can be no meaningful consolation in this situation, because all of the deceased's cobelievers know that the deceased has failed — for whatever reason, God has chosen not to hoist them up and away from death and its mysteries, and so they must suffer the thing they've spent their lives praying to avoid.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]
This results in a religion centered around a type of white-knuckled denial of death — you suckers might die, but not me! I'm gonna get raptured! I don't have to worry about death, cause I'm gonna get hoisted bodily up into the skies by God himself! When someone who believes in this... novel hermeneutic... dies, their mourners have very little to say, other than (more or less unbiblical) platitudes about how they're in heaven now.
There can be no meaningful consolation in this situation, because all of the deceased's cobelievers know that the deceased has failed — for whatever reason, God has chosen not to hoist them up and away from death and its mysteries, and so they must suffer the thing they've spent their lives praying to avoid.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [7 favorites]
He left us all behind.
He can kiss my left behind..
posted by Horace Rumpole at 4:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
He can kiss my left behind..
posted by Horace Rumpole at 4:22 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
@crush-onastick: I read The Last Policeman last summer. It was OK - not great, not terrible. It had a decent premise that was developed in to a workman-like novel, with enough clever touches to make it a somewhat better read than that summary might indicate. It'll pass the time, and it did so without relying on zombies, religious extremism, or teenagers. Which is much more than I can say about the works of the recently departed Mr. LaHaye.
posted by mosk at 4:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by mosk at 4:38 PM on July 25, 2016 [1 favorite]
aw, Last Policeman was great. Like sure it was written as a page turner rather than as Timeless Lit'rature, but it combined police procedural genre tropes with the apocalyptic setting so well.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:58 PM on July 25, 2016
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:58 PM on July 25, 2016
He left us all behind.
He can kiss my left behind..
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:22 PM on July 25 [+] [!]
I believe that merits an Eponhysterical , though I'm not sure how to spell it.
posted by Bee'sWing at 5:35 PM on July 25, 2016
He can kiss my left behind..
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:22 PM on July 25 [+] [!]
I believe that merits an Eponhysterical , though I'm not sure how to spell it.
posted by Bee'sWing at 5:35 PM on July 25, 2016
I don't know if this question fits in the thread, but I'd love some good suggestions for Apocalypse fiction that doesn't involve religion, zombies, or teenagers.
Try Paul Kingsnorth's The Wake.
I reckon right now the eternal part of LaHaye is sitting among the godhead, understanding briefly and completely that leading others into fear and woe has only wrapped more chains around the self, but he will forget this before his next life's journey. One hopes that over the course of lifetimes he will learn more than he forgets.
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 6:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
Try Paul Kingsnorth's The Wake.
I reckon right now the eternal part of LaHaye is sitting among the godhead, understanding briefly and completely that leading others into fear and woe has only wrapped more chains around the self, but he will forget this before his next life's journey. One hopes that over the course of lifetimes he will learn more than he forgets.
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 6:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [4 favorites]
When I was young, I worked in a place that distributed apocalyptic media of this sort. It kinda desensitized me to theologly while I was there, but I've recovered since then.
posted by ovvl at 6:26 PM on July 25, 2016
posted by ovvl at 6:26 PM on July 25, 2016
Maybe the rapture has come and he was the only one taken.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:46 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
crush-onastick: "The Last Policeman is Apocalypse fiction that doesn't involve religion, zombies, or teenagers."
Whenever I see that title, I momentarily suffer cognitive dissonance when I think of The Third Policeman. Which was...not the same thing at all.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
Whenever I see that title, I momentarily suffer cognitive dissonance when I think of The Third Policeman. Which was...not the same thing at all.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:56 PM on July 25, 2016 [2 favorites]
My first trip to America back in 1996 I stayed with a Pakistani, Muslim, highly liberal aunt in DC who had the complete Left Behind series arrayed on her coffee table. I've never understood why though this post has reminded me I should ask her. There were plenty of other books in the house, some with nicer covers, all with better content.
Anyway, not having the slightest idea what it was, I started reading it. I didn't get very far - and bear in mind this is the same year I read Battlefield Earth so my tolerance for garbage was at an all-time high.
The only contemporary fiction with Christianity-related themes I had ever encountered in my sheltered youth was James Morrow, so I approached the Left Behind series thinking it was the same sort of thing. Properly did my head in.
posted by tavegyl at 11:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
Anyway, not having the slightest idea what it was, I started reading it. I didn't get very far - and bear in mind this is the same year I read Battlefield Earth so my tolerance for garbage was at an all-time high.
The only contemporary fiction with Christianity-related themes I had ever encountered in my sheltered youth was James Morrow, so I approached the Left Behind series thinking it was the same sort of thing. Properly did my head in.
posted by tavegyl at 11:10 PM on July 25, 2016 [3 favorites]
Beholder: "I don't know if this question fits in the thread, but I'd love some good suggestions for Apocalypse fiction that doesn't involve religion, zombies, or teenagers."If you're up for short stories, I recommend The Apocalypse Triptych anthology, which consists of three volumes, viz., The End is Nigh, The End is Now, and The End has Come, which covers before, under, and after the world ends. No
$deity, but plenty of other ways it can all go to pot. Many of the contributors have a story in each volume, so their specific vision is fully unfolded.posted by bouvin at 12:52 AM on July 26, 2016
I have no fucks to give. The man screwed up a lot of youngsters (and adults) with his crappy books.
posted by james33 at 4:01 AM on July 26, 2016
posted by james33 at 4:01 AM on July 26, 2016
One of my tests for the respect due to any particular religious or political point of view is whether it actively seeks to make life better for those who don't hold it, without requiring that they subscribe. Or, conversely, whether it tries to make their life worse until they do.
It's a simple test.
But when I think about how I feel about LaHaye and his works, I wonder if I'm passing it myself.
posted by Devonian at 4:43 AM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]
It's a simple test.
But when I think about how I feel about LaHaye and his works, I wonder if I'm passing it myself.
posted by Devonian at 4:43 AM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]
I don't know if this question fits in the thread, but I'd love some good suggestions for Apocalypse fiction that doesn't involve religion, zombies, or teenagers.
Growing up during the Cold War, most of the post-apocalypse books I read dealt with the aftereffects of nuclear war (and, by the by, I wonder if one of the impulses behind the interest in the Rapture involved a desire to escape that horror). A Canticle for Liebowitz is a classic, set in a monastery 600 years after a global nuclear war. There's On the Beach, of course, set in Australia as the last surviving humans prepare for fallout to kill them all.
If you'd prefer plague, The Stand might not make your list due to the religious themes -- a global plague paves the way for a struggle between primal good and evil -- but Earth Abides, which partly inspired King's novel, is excellent, if more obscure.
posted by Gelatin at 5:05 AM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
Growing up during the Cold War, most of the post-apocalypse books I read dealt with the aftereffects of nuclear war (and, by the by, I wonder if one of the impulses behind the interest in the Rapture involved a desire to escape that horror). A Canticle for Liebowitz is a classic, set in a monastery 600 years after a global nuclear war. There's On the Beach, of course, set in Australia as the last surviving humans prepare for fallout to kill them all.
If you'd prefer plague, The Stand might not make your list due to the religious themes -- a global plague paves the way for a struggle between primal good and evil -- but Earth Abides, which partly inspired King's novel, is excellent, if more obscure.
posted by Gelatin at 5:05 AM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
Seconding Earth Abides, Canticle and On the Beach. All good reads. There's a sequel to Canticle I haven't read yet. Couple of others off the top of my head:
Alas, Babylon (?...a post-nuclear must-read)
Cat's Cradle (Vonnegut (so you know it's gonna be weird)
Childhoods End (Clarke)
The Road (McCarthy...not a happy book, even by end-of-the-world standards)
Oryx and Crake + Year of the Flood + Maddaddam (Atwood)
The Drowned World (JG Ballard)(strange but interesting book)
Gift Upon the Shore (?)
Damnation Alley (Zelanzy...cheesy but fun)
Roadside Picnic isn't per se an apocalypse story (although you could read it that way), but it's a really good, weird read.
I just finished The Girl With All The Gifts. It's a zombie novel, but had enough original stuff going for it I enjoyed it.
As I've mentioned before, I thought The Stand sucked.
posted by kjs3 at 10:00 AM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]
Alas, Babylon (?...a post-nuclear must-read)
Cat's Cradle (Vonnegut (so you know it's gonna be weird)
Childhoods End (Clarke)
The Road (McCarthy...not a happy book, even by end-of-the-world standards)
Oryx and Crake + Year of the Flood + Maddaddam (Atwood)
The Drowned World (JG Ballard)(strange but interesting book)
Gift Upon the Shore (?)
Damnation Alley (Zelanzy...cheesy but fun)
Roadside Picnic isn't per se an apocalypse story (although you could read it that way), but it's a really good, weird read.
I just finished The Girl With All The Gifts. It's a zombie novel, but had enough original stuff going for it I enjoyed it.
As I've mentioned before, I thought The Stand sucked.
posted by kjs3 at 10:00 AM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]
Science Fiction Encyclopedia entry on End of the World has many good suggestions.
posted by Chrysostom at 10:27 AM on July 26, 2016
posted by Chrysostom at 10:27 AM on July 26, 2016
One of my tests for the respect due to any particular religious or political point of view is whether it actively seeks to make life better for those who don't hold it, without requiring that they subscribe. Or, conversely, whether it tries to make their life worse until they do.
It's a simple test.
But when I think about how I feel about LaHaye and his works, I wonder if I'm passing it myself.
I don't know for sure, but I'm assuming you aren't involved in an equivalent of the John Birch Society that persecutes fundamentalist Christians, and that you haven't written a hateful screed against fundamentalist Christians. You're probably doing fine!
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 10:48 AM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
It's a simple test.
But when I think about how I feel about LaHaye and his works, I wonder if I'm passing it myself.
I don't know for sure, but I'm assuming you aren't involved in an equivalent of the John Birch Society that persecutes fundamentalist Christians, and that you haven't written a hateful screed against fundamentalist Christians. You're probably doing fine!
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 10:48 AM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]
Tim wrote a marriage (sex) manual with his wife that contains a surprisingly graphic description of how he diddles his wife. Pretty steamy for a religious group that skews prudish.
posted by Serene Empress Dork at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016
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