4:30PM, On a Wednesday, Philadelphia PA - The Gang Rigs the DNC Primary
July 27, 2016 12:31 PM   Subscribe

The DNC 2016 fight song landed last night featuring: Aisha Tyler, Alan Cumming, America Ferrera, Ben Platt, Billy Porter, Chrissie Fit, Connie Britton, Elizabeth Banks, Ellen Greene, Esther Dean, Eva Longoria, Garrett Clayton, Hana Mae Lee, Ian Somerholder, Idina Menzel, Jaime King, Jane Fonda, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, John Michael Higgens, Josh Lucas, Julie Bowen, Kathy Najimy, Kelly Jackle, Kristin Chenoweth, Mandy Moore, Mary McCormack, Mary-Louise Parker, Mike Thompkins, Nikki Read, Rachel Platten, Renee Fleming, Rob Reiner, Shelley Regner, Sia, and TR Knight.

It was the culmination of an eventful night including a roll call featuring Larry Sanders personally putting in a delegate vote for his brother, Bernie and the roll call finishing up with Bernie Sanders nominating Hillary Clinton by acclamation.

Also, it almost didn't officially end.

Tuesday night rundown of featured speeches:

Children, featuring Thaddeus Desmond, Dynah Haubert, Kate Burdick, Anton Moore, Dustin Parson, Daniele Mellott, and Jelani Freeman.
David Banks, principal of Eagle Academy.
Mothers of the Movement.
Joe Sweeny, Former NYPD Detective.
Lauren Manning, 9/11 Survivor.
Ryan Moore, advocate for healthcare reform.
Bill Clinton, spouse of the DNC Nominee, Hillary Clinton, and former President of the United States.
posted by Talez (3224 comments total) 72 users marked this as a favorite
 
This convention has made me proud to be a Democrat.

I wonder how many Republicans can really say the same.
posted by Gelatin at 12:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [45 favorites]


Great title!
posted by joedan at 12:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]




New date for the Gilmore Girls revival (Nov. 25! Mark your calendars!) was announced at the Television Critics Association press tour today.

THIS GIF HAS AN ENTIRELY NEW MEANING NOW, THANKS @netflix @GilmoreGirls
posted by rewil at 12:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [34 favorites]


I am looking forward to today's liveblog! Thank you all in advance!
posted by rtha at 12:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit, what an extremely bad day for Trump. Surely this. Surely fucking this.

*not holding my breath*
posted by zakur at 12:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Explain the title please!
posted by lalex at 12:34 PM on July 27, 2016


So I missed the majority of yesterday and I'm not going to be able to watch all the speeches. Any I should definitely check out?

Also, the Fight Song is fantastic and I cannot wait for Trump's response starring Kid Rock, Donnie Wahlberg and Chachi.
posted by Gaz Errant at 12:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I believe this is the official DNC feed. I've used it throughout the convention so far and have had zero issues. It's also nice to not have any overlays or talking heads. It's like watching TV with a Tivo. (Also, she was nominated by acclamation not acclimation.)
posted by feloniousmonk at 12:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thank you Talez!

And thank you Cthulhu, for giving me the Russia-Trump public catastrophuck I so yearned for.
posted by schadenfrau at 12:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Title is a reference to It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.
posted by schroedinger at 12:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


So, what has [Donald] been doing for the last 6 days? Has he not seen pictures of Tim Kaine? Did he not realize he looked different than Tom Kean?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tonight's speakers include DC Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton, Ilyse Hogue of NARAL, Sigourney Weaver, gun violence survivors & surviving family members from the Pulse, Mother Emanuel Church, and Sandy Hook shootings, Gabby Giffords & her husband astronaut Mark Kelly, Dr Jill Biden, VP Joe Biden, Senator Tim Kaine, and President Barack Obama.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 12:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


The things that (heartens me? squicks me out? makes me unable to think straight?) is that Trump hammers away with pure insanity at things that make his appeal more narrow and unappealing: His vendetta against the "Mexican" judge, the heat in the hotel room, and now debasing himself before Vladimir Putin. He's not just boorish and racist; he's out of his mind and hard to follow. I have to believe that sooner or later this is going to sink in and people are going to back away slowly.
posted by argybarg at 12:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


mods i think it's spelled "acclamation"
posted by OverlappingElvis at 12:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Explain the title please!

It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia starts every episode with a title card and many of the titles start with "The Gang..."
posted by joedan at 12:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


although maybe acclimatizing his wing of the party to clinton is a better way of putting it
posted by OverlappingElvis at 12:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, what an extremely bad day for Trump. Surely this. Surely fucking this.

*not holding my breath*


At this point Trump could execute an endangered gorilla on national television and eat its eyeballs and 40% of the country would vote for him.
posted by selfnoise at 12:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [34 favorites]


I going America all over everybody's ass!
posted by paper chromatographologist at 12:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Great title! Thanks for the post.
posted by OmieWise at 12:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


[acclamatified]
posted by cortex at 12:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Tonight's speakers include DC Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton, Ilyse Hogue of NARAL, Sigourney Weaver, gun violence survivors & surviving family members from the Pulse, Mother Emanuel Church, and Sandy Hook shootings, Gabby Giffords & her husband astronaut Mark Kelly, Dr Jill Viden, VP Joe Biden, Senator Tim Kaine, and President Barack Obama.

I dare anyone to compare that list to any equal number of chucklefucks selected from the entirety of the four-day RNC program for prestige, honor, and service to our nation. You can even take POTUS out if you like.
posted by tonycpsu at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hey, some people just needed more time to acclimatize themselves to Clinton as the nominee.
posted by zachlipton at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fantastic title. Brilliant Post. And you even included the Fight Song video! Thank you for creating this!
posted by zarq at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Alternate title for tonight with Obama speaking "One Last Time."
posted by drezdn at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


At this point Trump could execute an endangered gorilla on national television and eat its eyeballs and 40% of the country would vote for him.

In a shocking twist, the GoP ticket is now Trump/Ghost of Harambe
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ilyse Hogue of NARAL
Well, that's bold. Good for them.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'M FIRED UP, Y'ALL
posted by cooker girl at 12:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think Trump's hard floor is the 20-25% of the country that still approved of Bush in 2006, post-Katrina, in the depths of Iraq going to hell, plus whatever percentage are hardcore misogynists who also happen to be authoritarian at heart (and aren't already in that 20-25%).

The majority of the country is only just starting to pay attention now. I think it's going to be a blow out for Hillary.
posted by schadenfrau at 12:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


I'm so glad that I'm not one of the token Republicans slotted into the DNC analyst panels today. I can't stand vicarious embarrassment and watching people try to defend Trump and the Republican platform in the face of this masterfully produced convention is becoming increasingly uncomfortable for me. I was so incapable of schadenfreude I had to switch over to the low quality but commentary-free CSPAN coverage yesterday.

I'm really excited about tonight's speakers but I know I'm gonna need Kleenex. AGAIN. I have literally had cry-headaches for two days.
posted by xyzzy at 12:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I cannot WAIT to see how Obama and/or Biden makes hay from the current Trump nonsense tonight. You know at least one of them will.

(Acclamorated!)
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 12:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Obama did tweet "One Last Time" before his last State of the Union. It would probably be inappropriate here because Washington was famously opposed to political parties.
posted by Jpfed at 12:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




I kind of hope it's Obama, so that he can break out the "don't boo, vote!" line a couple times.
posted by zombieflanders at 12:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Alternate title for tonight with Obama speaking "One Last Time."

He's 54. I think we could well see him speak at every Democratic convention for decades to come (much like Bill Clinton, who has spoken at every one since 1980) unless he somehow gets on the Supreme Court.
posted by zachlipton at 12:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


I think Trump's hard floor is

27%
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Weaver, of course, is speaking in her position as head of SCP about the release and containment of SCP #3016, Orange Humanoid Cancer
posted by The Whelk at 12:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


Let’s play Cognitive Dissonance! Gain one point every time you experience a spasm of cognitive dissonance!
  • The Republican Party has nominated for the office of President of the United States a man who got his big break in politics by claiming that a black man, the President of the United States, was literally un-American, and must have been born in Kenya, and that there must be a massive conspiracy to claim otherwise. (He claimed to have sent a team of investigators to Hawaii; they have not been heard from since.)
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, in a primary debate, bragged about meeting and getting along with Vladimir Putin, but who is now responding to allegations of pro-Russian bias by saying he never met Putin.
  • The Republican Party has nominated for the office of President of the United States a man who has now publicly asked a foreign power to spy on his electoral rival.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who proposed banning 23% of the world’s population from entering or re-entering the country, solely on the basis of their religious beliefs.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who claims that man-made climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese to undermine American workers.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who was recorded speaking to journalists on the phone and repeatedly pretending to be his own, fictional spokesperson. He later admitted to this under oath, but subsequently denied it.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who is currently being sued for allegedly operating a for-profit “university” which defrauded its clients and had a stated goal of getting clients to take out all available loans to participate.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, asked if Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO, said “I would not care that much to be honest with you. Whether it goes in or doesn't go in, I wouldn't care. If it goes in, great. If it doesn't go in, great.”
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who casually implied that a rival U.S. Senator’s father was involved in assassinating JFK. And that his wife was ugly.
  • The Republican Party has nominated for President a man who has never served in public office or the military, but was willing to imply that a U.S. Senator wasn’t a true war hero because he was captured and spent five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. The candidate said, “I like people who weren’t captured.”
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who once unsuccessfully sued a journalist for claiming he wasn’t a billionaire; as President the candidate plans to “open up libel laws”.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who said “the problem is we have the Geneva Conventions, all sorts of rules and regulations, so the soldiers are afraid to fight”.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, in a live TV interview, declined to criticize David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan, claiming to not know anything about them.
  • The Republican Party, known for its vocal condemnation of Democrats as fiscally irresponsible, has nominated a man whose tax plan would reduce federal revenues by $9.5 trillion over its first decade and “could increase the national debt by nearly 80 percent of gross domestic product by 2036”.
  • The Republican nominee’s tax plan involves massive tax cuts for the extremely wealthy. (This item is your brief respite from cognitive dissonance, enjoy it!)
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who proposed defeating ISIS by bombing Iraq’s oil fields, saying “There is no Iraq; there are no Iraqis.”
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who during his campaign claimed to have donated a million dollars to a veterans’ charity, but only actually did so weeks later when pressed by investigative journalists. He claims to have donated many millions of dollars to charity in recent years, but declines to provide evidence.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, at one of his political rallies, performed a mocking impression of a physically disabled journalist.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who has repeatedly claimed that the current President of the United States, the Christian son of a Muslim, is sympathetic to al-Qaeda and ISIS.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who said that he doesn’t want black people to count his money; only Jews.
  • While the Democratic Party has nominated their first woman candidate, the Republican Party has nominated a man who, in an official primary debate, responded to the claim that he refers to women as "fat pigs," "dogs," "slobs" and "disgusting animals", by saying “Only Rosie O’Donnell!”. He later implied that the moderator must have been menstruating.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man whose most prominent policy proposal is to somehow compel Mexico into paying for a wall between Mexico and the United States.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who openly suggested the United States, home of the world’s major reserve currency, should partially default on its debts.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, uniquely for a major candidate in recent decades, refuses to release his tax returns, and said that his statements of his net worth fluctuate based on his “own feelings”.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, without medical training, is nonetheless an outspoken critic of vaccinations.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, in late May of this year, did not know the term “Brexit”, and who later flew to the United Kingdom after the historic Brexit vote, not to address the political and economic turmoil, but rather to promote his golf course. After being pressed by journalists, the nominee acknowledged the significance of Brexit, and that the fall in the British pound’s value would likely benefit his golf course.
  • The Republican Party has nominated as President of the United States a man who suggested in a TV interview that Japan should develop its own nuclear weapons.
  • The Republican Party has nominated for the office of President a man who has been blacklisted by all major U.S. banks, and who owes vast amounts of money to a foreign bank.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who, in an official primary debate, implied that he has a large penis.
  • Regardless of the volume and severity of their past criticism, nearly all Republican politicians now say that they support and will vote for Donald Trump for President of the United States. Senator Chuck Grassley, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, continues to refuse to consider any nominations for the vacant Supreme Court seat, because there’s a chance President Trump would be able to nominate someone different. Senator Grassley is up for re-election this year.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who said an American-born federal judge could not do his job because he is “Mexican”.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who regularly refers to the senior U.S. Senator from Massachusetts as “Pocahontas”.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who gave a primary victory speech next to a pile of beef which he had purchased, claiming it to be from the defunct, unsuccessful Trump Steaks brand, as if that brand still existed.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who wants to reinstate torture, and go further this time.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who wants to purposely target the family members of terrorists.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who says that America should not necessarily respond if Vladimir Putin invades NATO allies in Eastern Europe.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who proposed punishing women who get abortions.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who has maintained his inherited wealth often by hiring contractors and then refusing to pay them, and whose businesses went bankrupt four times.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who told a lawyer who requested a break from a deposition to pump breast milk, "You're disgusting".
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who avoided serving in Vietnam, but referred to avoiding STDs from casual sex as his "personal Vietnam".
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who says that people in a dark, noisy drinking establishment in Florida should have been carrying guns at their waist or ankle.
  • The Republican Party has nominated a man who said that Mexican immigrants, generally speaking, are criminals and rapists. But that some of them are, presumably, good people.
How’d you do?
  • 0 or more points: Congratulations! This is all actually happening!
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 12:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [505 favorites]


About five minutes ago, I found myself thinking of the DC Press dinner where Jordan Peele was "Luther, Obama's Anger Translator" - and thinking of him bellowing the phrase "Khaleesi is coming to Westoros!" nearly made me burst out laughing at work.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]




...Dr Jill Viden, VP Joe Biden...

Is this combo just thrown in like a caltrop to confuse Trump tomorrow?
posted by wenestvedt at 12:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Ugh, I have to physically go into work today. Like, I need to haul my entire body down to the office and also have pants on it too and interact directly with humans face to face ugggghhhh yyyyytho. I would 1000% rather spend today like yesterday in liveblogging this convention with all of you beautiful maniacs. Thank you for keeping me sane through this ghastly election, Metafilter. See you on my phone inbetween moments of actual work later today!
posted by EatTheWeak at 12:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]




[Insert Larry Sanders joke here]
posted by Chrysostom at 12:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Relevant It's Always Sunnies for people looking to get in the mood:

The Gang Runs For Office
Charlie Goes America All Over Everybody's Ass
The Gang Cracks The Liberty Bell
The Gang Wrestles For The Troops
Frank Reynolds' Little Beauties (or: the patriotic value of child pageantry)
Gun Fever Too: Still Hot

All episodes available in full on Netflix or through skeevy black market dealings. (Bonus: The Gang Runs For Office includes a bit about Hillary Clinton. Now a decade old! Still painfully relevant!)

The show is kind of the anti-South Park in that it overtly claims to be nihilistic and not give a shit, but is shockingly politically aware and progressive. Here's a delightful photo of the cast dressed for LA Pride.
posted by rorgy at 12:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [33 favorites]


[as protrayed by Garry Shandling]
posted by psoas at 12:48 PM on July 27, 2016


Another highlight from yesterday: Born before all women could vote, Prescott woman, 102, reports AZ delegates for Clinton.

Oh lord she's so happy. This is wonderful.

Wait, is somebody already cutting onions? C'mon, guys. Not cool.
posted by Gaz Errant at 12:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]




Let’s play Cognitive Dissonance! ...

Well now I'm drunk and I haven't even had any alcohol yet

going back to looking at adam scott gifs now
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:49 PM on July 27, 2016


Here's a delightful photo of the cast dressed for LA Pride.

I totally did not expect to see a "You can pee next to me" shirt in that context and that is really fucking cool.
posted by psoas at 12:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


THIS GIF HAS AN ENTIRELY NEW MEANING NOW, THANKS @netflix @GilmoreGirls

Besides how amazing this is, it was legitimately the first time during the rollercoaster of the past two weeks that I've stepped back and remembered that in November this all may* be completely over.

* I lived through 2000 and do not tempt fate.
posted by telegraph at 12:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


The majority of the country is only just starting to pay attention now.
At this point, every time Treasonous Trump opens his mouth, he's going to lose a fraction of a percent in the polls. If Gary Johnson picks up half of them from the "Never Hillary" crowd, it can only help Clinton (as well as position the Libertards as replacements for the Rethuglicans). Give it time. He'll reach his 27% base yet. But still, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY YOU KNOW WHO IS SANE VOTES.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


For anyone who hasn't been following @darth on Twitter, they've been posting a hilarious string of tweets ever since the GOP convention. It's glorious.
posted by zombieflanders at 12:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


[Insert Larry Sanders joke here]

Bernie or Busters on voting for Clinton.
posted by Talez at 12:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am so sleep deprived and headachy from the crying it isn't funny. We're going on an epic road trip next week and I have SO MUCH TO DO (including buying a new swimsuit god help me) but THE CONVENTION IS ON! I'm pretty sure my family is already tired of me pumping my fists in victory and yelling at the TV.

And tonight I won't get to tune in until 7:00-ish and IT'S KILLING ME.
posted by cooker girl at 12:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am so glad that the Mothers of the Movement video includes the preroll video of that first meeting.
posted by mrzarquon at 12:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Last night we had dinner reservations at DC's new-special-thing Pineapple and Pearls, so I didn't see any of the DNC. Tonight I'm seeing case/lang/veirs, so I'm not going to see anything. I guess Friday I'll have to have a YouTube binge.
posted by fedward at 12:55 PM on July 27, 2016


One thing I appreciate this week is how polished and confident the non-professional speakers are: the moms and the teachers and the advocates. Last week, it was like they picked up the avocado farmer and other random speakers and plunked her on stage and national television without any preparation besides whatever feedback her bathroom mirror provided. This week, the speeches are still honest and clear, but it's also obvious that professionals helped them with the text and worked to get them comfortable speaking on stage.
posted by zachlipton at 12:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


I dare anyone to compare that list to any equal number of chucklefucks selected from the entirety of the four-day RNC program for prestige, honor, and service to our nation. You can even take POTUS out if you like.

Look, God knows that program was awful, I had to sit through it in real time. But it's not like the RNC program didn't also have astronauts, mothers, senators, soldiers, etc. The thing that made that program horrifying was not that people up there hadn't done enough for their country - the thing that made the RNC program horrifying is that most of the people up there - many with a long career of public service- had despite that, prostituted themselves for an orange bigot.
posted by corb at 12:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [81 favorites]


Kabaddi Champ, did you type that astonishing list all up yourself? HOLY COW.

Seeing it all in one place is like those photographs of a week's worth of an American family's food intake compared to other countries' diets.
posted by wenestvedt at 12:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Why I Will Vote for Hillary Clinton "I don’t think she is evil. I don’t think she is ethically challenged. I have met her several times in the past and have been impressed by her intellect, her judgment, and her compassion. We all know the ordeal she endured because of her husband’s infidelities. That was not her doing. She tried to protect her family as best she could. We know now that other revered presidents, like FDR and Ike, had affairs; JFK was a serial womanizer. The media abandoned their code of silence about presidential privacy when Bill Clinton was president. Hillary can’t be blamed for Bill’s misadventures, and it was nearly 20 years ago, so who cares? God knows, there are plenty of members of Congress and governors in both parties who would not want their private lives revealed in the news. Remember the Republican Congressman who had a “wide stance” in the men’s bathroom in an airport?

I don’t think Hillary is a liar or a person of low character."

posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


The Republican Party has nominated a man who avoided serving in Vietnam, but referred to avoiding STDs from casual sex as his "personal Vietnam".

I don't know why, but somehow that really humanizes the guy for me
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 12:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [60 favorites]


> I'm pretty sure my family is already tired of me pumping my fists in victory and yelling at the TV.

My 4-yo covered her ears and started crying the other day when I turned on the news to watch the convention Monday.

It was throwing a fit because she didn't get her way but the other part of me was like "I get it, kid."
posted by Tevin at 12:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Great title!

Yes. But can we all agree right now that tomorrow's title has to be "Include Women in the Sequel"? Accept no substitutes.
posted by lunasol at 12:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


I was excited to see Garry Shandling playing Bernie's bro, sad to remember the Garry passed away, shocked by how similar Larry Sanders looks to Garry, touched by the real Larry's speech and very, very happy to see Bernie nominate Hillary. Quite the range of emotions for 6 minutes of YouTube video.

How the republicans can not hang their heads in shame after their convention is beyond me, this just highlights it even more to me.
posted by roquetuen at 12:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Compare the production of that Fight Song with the RNC's inability to pull off a balloon drop.
posted by mikelieman at 1:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Just in case you haven't had your fill of absurdity today, let's not forget there's a Trump @reddit AMA tonight. What could go wrong?

Nothing can go wrong, because it's not really an AMA. You need to be subscribed to the pro-Trump subreddit, questions will be pre-screened, and denizens there are openly plotting and organizing to downvote any critical or negative questions.
posted by msalt at 1:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




Don't jinx our balloon drop yet.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Considering who helped open the DNC, I was hoping The Gang would finally get their chance.
posted by emelenjr at 1:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




Compare the production of that Fight Song with the RNC's inability to pull off a balloon drop.

Did corb or Cracked explain that one yet?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 1:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


How Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are double-teaming Donald Trump

Just get Ted Cruz in there and you have some grade-A slash fic
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 1:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Does somebody here have a grip on why polling looks so even? Something about polling demographics and technologies this cycle? I can't believe it, given the abandonment of Trump by so many important republicans, and the general demographic shifts in the country.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 1:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


How Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are double-teaming Donald Trump

Seriously though do they not run headlines past a panel of 17-year-old boys or 31-year-old gay men I guess for innuendo checks before posting
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


The balloons are #withher
posted by beerperson at 1:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]






1q
posted by Sophie1 at 1:07 PM on July 27, 2016


But it's not like the RNC program didn't also have astronauts, mothers, senators, soldiers, etc.

There were some, yes, but honestly the schedules are worlds apart. The RNC did have an astronaut, yes, except she refused to endorse Trump on stage despite having such an endorsement in her prepared remarks. A good chunk of Congress refused to show up, with many claiming they were "too busy" and Sen. Sasse saying he planned to go "watch some dumpster fires" instead. Rubio would only appear by video, and Cruz showed up to, well, not exactly endorse Trump. No former President or Vice President would speak for him, the best he got was a wave from Bob Dole. Their big celebrity was Scott Baio, who soon before the convention retweeted an image effectively calling Hillary something incredibly offensive. The lead-in speaker to Ivanka and Donald was a real estate developer who rambled on about a hotel deal he once did with Trump. And there were numerous segments that consisted of Trump employees telling us how great their boss is, along with long bits of musical filler. It was an incredibly weak schedule last week.

Compare that to just a short bit of tonight: Biden, Kaine, and Obama. The contrast is obvious.
posted by zachlipton at 1:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]


schadenfrau: "The majority of the country is only just starting to pay attention now. I think it's going to be a blow out for Hillary."
This makes zero sense to me. There are nobody in Europe who are not aware by now how big of an idiot Trump has made of himself so far. How can you live in the US and miss it?
posted by brokkr at 1:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Seriously though do they not run headlines past a panel of 17-year-old boys or 31-year-old gay men I guess for innuendo checks before posting

The Washington Post knows clickbait when they see it and they are nowhere near too proud to exploit it.
posted by zachlipton at 1:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Just get Ted Cruz in there and you have some grade-A slash fic

Congratulations, VMPV: You've established a completely justifiable premise for kink-shaming.
Ew.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




Does somebody here have a grip on why polling looks so even? Something about polling demographics and technologies this cycle? I can't believe it, given the abandonment of Trump by so many important republicans, and the general demographic shifts in the country.

It's a combination of the RNC convention bump, the Democrats' post-primary unification not showing up in the polls yet, and possibly* some pollsters with badly calibrated demographic weightings.

*careful with this, though, that way lies the poll-unskewing funhouse of mirrors
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I just went and bought some buttons this morning. I've been super busy, but the DNC has been doing a good job so far at restoring my faith in humanity, which after the RNC was somewhat lacking. I'm hoping to actually watch a bit of tonight live.
posted by Sequence at 1:09 PM on July 27, 2016



The Washington Post knows clickbait when they see it and they are nowhere near too proud to exploit it.


Well I clicked so good job WaPo I guess
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


But it's not like the RNC program didn't also have astronauts, mothers, senators, soldiers, etc.

The criteria I outlined were prestige, honor, and service to the nation. You're free to measure those however you like, but I stand by my statement, especially once the dishonor of supporting the fascist yam is accounted for. Don't get me wrong -- it's not that there weren't prestigious, honorable Republicans available, it's that so many of them refused to show up that the program really was full of a bunch of lightweights, with some actual heroes and dedicated public servants mixed in.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ok I just learned that headline is problematic


"How Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are going to make Trump beg for it"


wait shit
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 1:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


apparently the Trump "Ask Me Anything" on reddit is going to be…preselected questions and heavily moderated?
so
more like "Ask Me Anything (Except that, and that, and that, obviously)"
posted by murphy slaw at 1:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


WaPo reporter: Trump: "We're going to put the miners back to work. I said that, and I don't even know why."

I don't even know what's real.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [34 favorites]


Anyone remember this thread on the Blue about Russian groups paid to troll social media, spreading misinformation? The author of the linked article says the groups appear to be working on behalf of Trump now: "I created this list of Russian trolls when I was researching. And I check on it once in a while, still. And a lot of them have turned into conservative accounts, like fake conservatives. I don't know what's going on, but they're all tweeting about Donald Trump and stuff."

I have a thing I text one of my friends whenever bad news about Trump comes out. It used to be "Trumpmas!" and now it's "Krumpmas!", because he really is sort of...Krampus-like, if Krampus was an incompetent buffoon.

KRUMPMAS!
posted by schadenfrau at 1:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, what an extremely bad day for Trump. Surely this. Surely fucking this.

You remember that Seinfeld episode where George realized that his instincts were incredibly poor, and that success lay in him doing the opposite? Trump is kind of like that. Except I don't think his instincts are poor; they are just counter-intuitive for a great many of us. For Trump, success seems to lie in doing the opposite of what the instincts of everyone else would be.

He said some bizarre, weird things today? The end result is the news media is having a field day covering him; not last night. His comments will keep his news coverage on par with the coverage of the DNC tonight. And from Trump's perspective, that's a win - his name is out there, and that is all that matters. Because whatever he does, it sure never seems to chip into his base of support - worst case scenario is that he doesn't gain anybody new, best case is that he picks up a few voters he didn't have before. He's the living embodiment of the idea that there is no such thing as bad press.
posted by nubs at 1:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I loved how John Oliver described the RNC balloon drop as "an almost sarcastic amount of balloons"

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/jul/25/john-oliver-last-week-tonight-politicians-songs
posted by insoluble uncertainty at 1:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The DNC 2016 fight song...

OK, I'm all on board with that message, and mostly the song was well-executed. But I don't think you should use "dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb" as a bassline unless you're doing it intentionally.
posted by gurple at 1:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


apparently the Trump "Ask Me Anything" on reddit is going to be…preselected questions and heavily moderated?

Have you ever checked out /r/the_donald? I mean, don't! But it's a crazy view into another, strange universe. They call themselves centipedes, they're convinced that James Comey, the director of the FBI, did not recommend charges against HRC because he was afraid she would have him killed (as if the director of the fbi didn't command an army of armed and loyal factotums), they like what Trump said about Russia and the emails, they call everyone who doesn't like trump a cuck, and so on. Did I mention they call themselves centipedes? I hvae no idea what it's supposed to mean. Anyway, that's where the AMA is happening so...
posted by dis_integration at 1:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




more like "Ask Me Anything (Except that, and that, and that, obviously)"

Ask Me Anything I Want You To Ask Me.

"I am Donald J. Trump. AMAIWYTAM."
posted by Etrigan at 1:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]




They call themselves centipedes,

The jokes write themselves.
posted by aught at 1:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I don't even know what's real.

INTERNET ALERT: POE'S LAW CONTINUES TO BE APPLIED AT EXTREME LEVELS. SEEK SHELTER IF NECESSARY.
posted by nubs at 1:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


They call themselves centipedes

But they're humans tho right
posted by beerperson at 1:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


The balloons are #withher

(Not to mention IATSE)
posted by mikelieman at 1:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did I mention they call themselves centipedes? I hvae no idea what it's supposed to mean.

early in the campaign somebody made a pro-Trump video which was footage of a nature documentary of centipedes killing prey set to dubstep

I'm not sure that explains anything
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [35 favorites]


It's no exaggeration to say that, if elected, Donald Trump would be the least qualified, least vetted, least tested person ever to become POTUS.

Presidents who'd never previously held elective office
  • Eisenhower - former general, US Army
  • Hoover - former sec. commerce, civil engineer, humanitarian
  • Arthur - *
  • Grant - former general, US Army
  • Taylor - former general, US Army
* Chester Alan Arthur is the only person to rise to the office of POTUS with neither experience in elective office nor as a career military officer.

Arthur had previously held an un-earned gentleman's commission as a (non-combat) brigadier general during the US Civil War (for about a year), and then various political patronage appointments as a member of the New York Republican political machine. Said machine made him Garfield's running mate; he rose to the presidency a few months later when Garfield succumbed to his wounds following an assassination attempt by a disgruntled office seeker -- part of the same patronage system that got Arthur where he was.

All of these men spent some part of their careers answerable to the people and the Constitution of the United States of America before becoming president.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


early in the campaign somebody made a pro-Trump video which was footage of a nature documentary of centipedes killing prey set to dubstep

this is now the topic of the thread
posted by beerperson at 1:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


Did I mention they call themselves centipedes? I hvae no idea what it's supposed to mean.
ASS TO ASS just popped into my head and I really wish it would go away.

On a brighter note, I'll be busking on the MBTA in Boston this weekend and am learning "Fight Song" in honor of the DNC.
posted by pxe2000 at 1:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Did I mention they call themselves centipedes? I hvae no idea what it's supposed to mean.

It has to do with a clip from an old nature documentary voiceover describing a centipede as "a nimble navigator" which somebody thought to put over Trump speech clips and somehow turn into a meme.

Try not to think about it too hard; the logic is just alien.
posted by fifthrider at 1:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


One time, I was in a laundromat, having a conversation with some other folks there to kill the time. I made a joke about 9/11 truthers. All three of the other people there said, sincerely, they thought it was an inside job.

Hearing how many people liked the DNC fight song gives me kinda the same feeling.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 1:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


The Colbert Report Late Show With Stephen Colbert brings us Bill Clinton's Teleprompter: "Don't ask us how we scored exclusive live streaming rights to Bill Clinton's totally not fake teleprompter with the words he definitely said verbatim, just know we did. And enjoy watching it."

(Gawker had a real stream of the teleprompter, he went off script a lot naturally)

They also have the DNC Condiment Cam in the interest of fairness, including a guy who went meta with it here.
posted by zachlipton at 1:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ok I just learned that headline is problematic


"How Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are going to make Trump beg for it"


wait shit


"How Barack Obama and Bill Clinton will make Trump call them 'daddy'"

Ack, no, it keeps getting worse.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I know it was grade-A pandering to the choir, but the fight song makes me happy in a hopeful way that haven't I felt at any point during the run-up to the election, and also I got goosebumps when Adele Dazeem hit that high note.
posted by mudpuppie at 1:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


She remembered the gavel! Whew.
posted by zachlipton at 1:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


About five minutes ago, I found myself thinking of the DC Press dinner where Jordan Peele was "Luther, Obama's Anger Translator"

Unless they reversed their roles from what is on the tv show, it's Keegan-Michael Key who plays Luther and Peele does the Obama impression.
posted by phearlez at 1:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I just wonder whether Trump encouraging Russia to spy on the US might not be a bridge too far for some of Trump's older supporters. I am not even 50, and I remember vividly back when Russia was The Enemy. Or will they make it a case of always having been at war with Eastasia?
posted by Gelatin at 1:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


early in the campaign somebody made a pro-Trump video which was footage of a nature documentary of centipedes killing prey set to dubstep

this is now the topic of the thread


I have a weird fascination with /r/The_Donald, which is basically what happens when a racist meme achieves whatever is right before sentience, and I've never been able to make heads or tails of the centipede thing. I understand the story, I know the facts, and it's still so far from sense that I don't understand.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 1:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bruce Schneier: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines
If the intelligence community has indeed ascertained that Russia is to blame, our government needs to decide what to do in response. This is difficult because the attacks are politically partisan, but it is essential. If foreign governments learn that they can influence our elections with impunity, this opens the door for future manipulations, both document thefts and dumps like this one that we see and more subtle manipulations that we don’t see.

Retaliation is politically fraught and could have serious consequences, but this is an attack against our democracy. We need to confront Russian President Vladimir Putin in some way — politically, economically or in cyberspace — and make it clear that we will not tolerate this kind of interference by any government. Regardless of your political leanings this time, there’s no guarantee the next country that tries to manipulate our elections will share your preferred candidates.

Even more important, we need to secure our election systems before autumn. If Putin’s government has already used a cyberattack to attempt to help Trump win, there’s no reason to believe he won’t do it again — especially now that Trump is inviting the “help.”
posted by zombieflanders at 1:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [54 favorites]


When ARPA created the Internet they didn't realize it would allow Russia to control US elections
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


in other campaign music news, the Trump campaign stiffed that singing kids group that performed at his rallies a few months back.
posted by cmfletcher at 1:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I have a weird fascination with /r/The_Donald, which is basically what happens when a racist meme achieves whatever is right before sentience

Maybe it's a fork of /r/SubredditSimulator trained on a voat corpus.
posted by Jpfed at 1:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]




More on Trump's Russian Trolls

They've swamped /r/politics on Reddit.
posted by msalt at 1:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


He said some bizarre, weird things today? The end result is the news media is having a field day covering him; not last night. His comments will keep his news coverage on par with the coverage of the DNC tonight. And from Trump's perspective, that's a win - his name is out there, and that is all that matters. Because whatever he does, it sure never seems to chip into his base of support - worst case scenario is that he doesn't gain anybody new, best case is that he picks up a few voters he didn't have before. He's the living embodiment of the idea that there is no such thing as bad press.

It's more like we keep on being confused on what moves he's making because we are like "no that is a horrible move" but the thing is he's not playing chess, just checkers with chess pieces

early in the campaign somebody made a pro-Trump video which was footage of a nature documentary of centipedes killing prey set to dubstep

I'm not sure that explains anything


has as much explanatory power as anything else I guess
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did I mention they call themselves centipedes? I hvae no idea what it's supposed to mean.

ASS TO ASS just popped into my head and I really wish it would go away.


I've got some bad news for you about what a human centipede actually is.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


This makes zero sense to me. There are nobody in Europe who are not aware by now how big of an idiot Trump has made of himself so far. How can you live in the US and miss it?

In short: the party nomination process is a long primary season that's often over before any given person's state has the chance to vote. People have been trained to tune it out and let early contests and horse race style* press coverage coalesce on a candidate for their party, and they really only start paying attention after the two party conventions are over.

Also much of the electorate is just flat out uninformed.

* With a big field of candidates like the sixteen people who announced their candidacy in the GOP this time around, the press can't really give equal coverage to them all. Time and column inches are limited, so most major news outlets tend to settle on a few early front-runners and devote most of the coverage to them. If surprise candidates do well early on, then they get the "dark horse" treatment that could reinforce the surprise candidates for a little while, but it has been rare for a true dark-horse candidate to secure a major party nomination. By virtue of fame, notoriety, and his big mouth, Trump got a lot more coverage than an equivalent, non-Trump candidate would have, which granted legitimacy to his campaign and created a perverted positive feedback loop.
posted by fedward at 1:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


apparently the Trump "Ask Me Anything" on reddit is going to be…preselected questions and heavily moderated?

All the more amazing considering that President Obama did an actual AMA.

I realize that on the lengthy list of comparisons that favor Obama over Trump, 'had the guts and the wherewithal to actually do an AMA on Reddit' versus 'lying about doing an AMA and instead staging a fake one for PR' is far, far down towards the bottom of the list, in terms of importance to their ability to hold office. But it's so perfectly emblematic of Trump's candidacy, as a whole -- precisely because it's so wildly unimportant -- that he, of the Twitter braggadocio and opposition to 'political correctness' and safe spaces, is apparently unwilling to actually take un-screened questions from real people and instead prefers to stage-manage a simulacra of an AMA.
posted by cjelli at 1:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Let’s play Cognitive Dissonance! Gain one point every time you experience a spasm of cognitive dissonance!

      The Republican Party has nominated...


tl/dr:💩
posted by y2karl at 1:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


he's not playing chess, just checkers with chess pieces
"King me!"
posted by Floydd at 1:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Now that's the kind of outfit you wear to sing the National Anthem!
posted by zachlipton at 1:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


This makes zero sense to me. There are nobody in Europe who are not aware by now how big of an idiot Trump has made of himself so far. How can you live in the US and miss it?/em>

also remember you sent all of your miscreants, misfits, misanthropes, and wackos over here in the 19th and 20th century

posted by entropicamericana at 1:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I don't participate in Fartbook or Shitter but if I did, I'd response to Trumpists with the James O'Keefe method: "I never thought I'd vote for him, but this is changing my mind..." and then rattle off some of the awfullest things Deranged Donald has said as if they're positives.

"You know I've always been kind of a Commie sympathizer and now that North Korea has come out in favor of Trump, that sells me."
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


It's more like we keep on being confused on what moves he's making because we are like "no that is a horrible move" but the thing is he's not playing chess, just checkers with chess pieces

Is he? Or is he playing gin rummy with checker pieces instead of cards?
posted by tobascodagama at 1:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


'How Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are going to have sexual intercourse with Donald Trump'

no shit we're so bad at this
posted by beerperson at 1:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [31 favorites]


poor kid is so nervous!
posted by numaner at 1:28 PM on July 27, 2016


guise

guise

remember when the republicans used to say that democratic foreign policy would "embolden our enemies"

seems like only yesterday
posted by murphy slaw at 1:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


'lying about doing an AMA and instead staging a fake one for PR'

Would anyone outside of the internets even understand what an AMA is? Is it PR if no one cares?

I'm trying to picture the nightmare that would be explaining that concept to anyone I know off the innertubes and failing, even before you get to the centipedes part of the explanation.
posted by winna at 1:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


poor kid is so nervous!

He done good though! That high note was lovely.
posted by ashirys at 1:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am soooo excited about Obama's speech it's crazy.
posted by odinsdream at 1:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Naw he's playing Settlers of Catan with Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


God damnit, those fucking horrible Diebold voting machines.

And here I was hoping to not be drunk before the end of the work day.

This is going to be a hard, hard push for a contested election, something that Trump can use to drag down the effectiveness of a Hillary Presidency because she "stole it"
posted by mrzarquon at 1:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Now I'm picturing my elderly aunts fleeing in horror with their tiny manicured hands raised in appeal to the heavens for god's protection from electronic centipedes.
posted by winna at 1:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Can we not with the internet diagnoses? Using crazy as a shorthand for dismissing people's opinions is really not cool.
posted by Deoridhe at 1:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


What are people shouting? It sounds a bit like roll call?
posted by zachlipton at 1:32 PM on July 27, 2016


Would anyone outside of the internets even understand what an AMA is? Is it PR if no one cares?

That's why I find it so interesting -- surely it would have been easier to just go and do an actual AMA? Why go through these extra hoops? It's not as though he seems to put a lot of thought into answering questions at, say, press conferences (witness today).
posted by cjelli at 1:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


gavel game was on point just now
posted by numaner at 1:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whoa. No distinct chorus of nays for Tim Kaine. I thought Busters were hanging their hats on this last bit of business.
posted by acidic at 1:32 PM on July 27, 2016


Bernie delegates crying out "roll call" regarding the VP nom.
posted by Talez at 1:33 PM on July 27, 2016


Is he? Or is he playing gin rummy with checker pieces instead of cards?

"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate."
posted by Celsius1414 at 1:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


what, they want Bernie as VP?
posted by numaner at 1:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


guys

remember when

republicans criticized obama

for being a celebrity
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [69 favorites]


Fox (don't judge me I peek at everything) had a clip of the MTV VJ Kennedy following Jill Stein around for a bit, Shepard Smith perplexedly asked "Why is she shouting?", no good answer but there seemed to be Hil folks in the background that may not have appreciated a green party infiltration.
posted by sammyo at 1:34 PM on July 27, 2016


what, they want Bernie as VP?

Some might, but mostly they don't want Tim Kaine.
posted by fifthrider at 1:34 PM on July 27, 2016


Yes that was people chanting roll call even though there was only one name nominated for VP.
posted by zachlipton at 1:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bruce Schneier: By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

I was stunned at how btlasé some people in the last thread were about the very likely possibility that a foreign government was actively interfering in our elections.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


Not wanting to miss a pun opportunity, Reddit's Donald Trump community has raised over $15,000 for Operation Warm, an organization that provides coats for families in need.
OK, there's one decent thing.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 1:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


God damnit, those fucking horrible Diebold voting machines.

And here I was hoping to not be drunk before the end of the work day.



WFH FTW!

Also. There is like zero chance that The Donald's hackers can out-hack Hillary Clinton's hackers especially now that she's tot Bernie's hackers on her side. I'll put cash money on Hillary if someone is stupid enough to give me theirs...
posted by mikelieman at 1:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


"How Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are going to criticize Trump in a co-ordinated fashion, the likes of which the RNC could only achieve in their wildest fantasies."

Darn, almost had it then failed to stick the non-creepy dismount.
posted by straight at 1:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


To be clear, they needed 300 signatures apparently to put another name in nomination. They didn't bother to do that (or couldn't get the signatures), but wanted a roll call vote anyway? WTF?
posted by zachlipton at 1:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Also. There is like zero chance that The Donald's hackers can out-hack Hillary Clinton's hackers especially now that she's tot Bernie's hackers on her side. I'll put cash money on Hillary if someone is stupid enough to give me theirs...

The claim here from Schneier is that Russian intelligence might have an interest in hacking the voting machines. Russian hacker is best hacker.
posted by dis_integration at 1:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yes that was people chanting roll call even though there was only one name nominated for VP.

Granted, we just got done with the loud protests over an apparent failure to issue VP nomination forms.

All in all, it seems like the organizers' to keep things going smoothly are having the opposite effect.
posted by fifthrider at 1:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Remember campers, if you can't out rat-fuck your opponent, you don't deserve to win!

Donald is an amateur. He's won the contest to lose to Hillary Clinton in 2016. Good career move for someone who isn't a politician.
posted by mikelieman at 1:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


There is like zero chance that The Donald's hackers can out-hack Hillary Clinton's hackers especially now that she's tot Bernie's hackers on her side. I'll put cash money on Hillary if someone is stupid enough to give me theirs...

I've seen this movie and we're going to need more burgundy leather dusters
posted by beerperson at 1:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


To be clear, they needed 300 signatures apparently to put another name in nomination. They didn't bother to do that (or couldn't get the signatures), but wanted a roll call vote anyway? WTF?

There were claims yesterday that the DNC refused to accept the signatures and ignored them. Dunno. Shrug.
posted by dis_integration at 1:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Russian hacker is best hacker.

That's one opinion. And I guess if you don't have talent in house, that's what you have to do. Look what his in-house speechwriters delivered...
posted by mikelieman at 1:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Help me, my partner is watching another Trump speech happening now (where Trump just said, because of the DNC, "Carson never had a chance"). Sigh. Time to leave the house!
posted by carrienation at 1:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fox (don't judge me I peek at everything)

Fox? You don't get judged for Fox News. You don't get judged for looking outside the liberal infosphere. It pays to look at everything that's why I read Free Republic, Redstate, /pol/ and even on odd occasions, Stormfront when the shit really hits the fan.
posted by Talez at 1:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Here's the Trump centipede video. It mixes "Centipede" by Knife Party with Trump soundbites and clips. Though having watched this I'm not anything has been clarified.

(Note: it's long but keep watching because it gets crazier and crazier)
posted by Sangermaine at 1:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


There's a little-known DNC bylaw which the Busters hope to exploit in which if they successfully nominate for VP the name 'Sernie Banders' then Clinton has no choice but to let Sanders lead the ticket
posted by beerperson at 1:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Donald Trump. A reddit AMA, and Russian Script Kiddies. We're through the looking glass here, people!
posted by mikelieman at 1:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Journalist (a woman) asks Trump if it's inappropriate to ask Russia or hackers to release emails. Trump: "Be Quiet." ... "I know you want to save Hillary."
posted by zarq at 1:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


The National popular vote needs to be a blow out. 3-5 points. EVERYONE needs to answer truthfully to the polls.

If the blowout is big enough and the polls are all clustered in a range, then fuckery with the vote will be exposed as an impossible outlier.

Data drives the truth, so make the data overwhelmingly tell the story NO ON TRUMP.

When elections are close and polls are all over the place then vote manipulation can happen.

We have to blow this out.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


Donald Trump. A reddit AMA, and Russian Script Kiddies. We're through the looking glass here, people!

Actually, they all go together perfectly well.

Tragically.
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


As strange as Trump has been over the past months (and he has been amazingly strange), is it just me or has he actually gotten stranger over the last couple of weeks?
posted by winna at 1:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [31 favorites]


Help me, my partner is watching another Trump speech happening now (where Trump just said, because of the DNC, "Carson never had a chance").

Carson? Which Carson?

Ben?
Kit?
Johnny?
Rachel?
Daly?

WHO?
posted by zarq at 1:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Here's the Trump centipede video yt

I made about 40 seconds of over 7 minutes before bailing.

This is the best proof I've ever seen that Andy Kaufman is still alive and punking all of us bitches.
posted by mikelieman at 1:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


roomthreeseventeen: Just in case you haven't had your fill of absurdity today, let's not forget there's a Trump @reddit AMA tonight. What could go wrong?


I'm Donald J Trump, AMA

[–]MotherRussiaRules69 462 points 2 hours ago
Comrade, my fellow American friends make money bet. Please to answer: President Putin, great president or greatest president?
posted by bluecore at 1:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [52 favorites]


That's one opinion. And I guess if you don't have talent in house, that's what you have to do. Look what his in-house speechwriters delivered...

If you're suggesting she has the NSA on her side yeah they can probably hang, which is probably the only time you'd catch me saying good for the NSA.
posted by atoxyl at 1:43 PM on July 27, 2016


Oh man. I can't wait to get home and fire this up. I hadn't looked at the lineups for Monday and Tuesday before I watched them, but I did look at today's.
Oh my god.
Jill Biden. Diamond Joe. Gabby Giffords. Leon Panetta. Tim Kaine. Barack Obama.

This is gonna be a big fucking night.
posted by rp at 1:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


As strange as Trump has been over the past months (and he has been amazingly strange), is it just me or has he actually gotten stranger over the last couple of weeks?

Well, someone in a recent thread speculated that once he got his security briefing, he'd do everything he could to NOT win the presidency. This Russia stuff seems to fit that theory.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 1:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


This bit of Trump-related news made me happy today: Scottish Offshore Wind Demonstration Project Triumphs Over Trump
posted by scruss at 1:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Well, someone in a recent thread speculated that once he got his security briefing, he'd do everything he could to NOT win the presidency.

Maybe, but this most recent stuff is like the big speech scene in the sci-fi movie where the villain makes a weird gurgling cough and throws off his human disguise to reveal that he is actually a sentient yeast mold from a failed US Cold War Jello warfare experiment.
posted by winna at 1:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


As strange as Trump has been over the past months (and he has been amazingly strange), is it just me or has he actually gotten stranger over the last couple of weeks?

Yes, and it's just going to get worse. At some point he may actually lose a few votes.
posted by argybarg at 1:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Eleanor Holmes Norton is up now! Statehood statehood statehooooooooood!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


As strange as Trump has been over the past months (and he has been amazingly strange), is it just me or has he actually gotten stranger over the last couple of weeks?

What was Lenin's line about being invested with dictatorial power? It makes one's head spin? He had a party affirming that he won, and he shut down the never trumpers and quashed all the opposition in the GOP. They're all paying attention to his whims. His head is spinning.
posted by dis_integration at 1:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Eleanor Holmes Norton!
posted by biogeo at 1:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


If you're suggesting she has the NSA on her side

The NSA? No. Emphatically. Let me say I do not believe any of the "establishment" would ever be involved in this kind of digital ratfucking. All individual actors, and I *doubt* any of the real players would ever pass a security clearance...
posted by mikelieman at 1:48 PM on July 27, 2016


Eleanor Holmes Norton! I love this woman.
posted by Gaz Errant at 1:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Stumpin' for statehood!
posted by cortex at 1:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


His head is spinning.

That, plus the bath salts
posted by beerperson at 1:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


EHN! Now sit up and pay attention.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 1:49 PM on July 27, 2016


Elizabeth Holmes Norton who you might remember for her legendary appearance on The Colbert Report back in 2006.
posted by Talez at 1:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Think "disgruntled ex-Diebold employees"
posted by mikelieman at 1:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think people don't know that the DC Statehood movement is about spending our own local tax dollars freely. My father is a conservative Republican who Metafilter would hate and who thinks DC Statehood would be a unconstitutional and even he was surprised by that.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 1:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT, STATEHOOD FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

Boo ya!
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I love the DC Statehood movement. I hope it follows for the rest of our territories.
posted by mrzarquon at 1:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Ok he mentioned ISIS. Will the GOP shut up now?
posted by zachlipton at 1:54 PM on July 27, 2016




My biggest fear is the next round of leaks. We know the Russians hacked the Clinton Foundation too. If I were the FSB, I'd release one round with verifiable legitimate information (credit card numbers and SSN). Once the source was established as bonafide, I'd release a second round with mostly legitimate emails and some carefully manufactured fakes to stir up more discord and conspiracy theories. It wouldn't even matter if it was later determined to be fake, the damage would be done.

I know that sounds very conspiracy theory-esque, but we're living in a world where the FSB drilled a hole into a lab to pass fake urine for Olympic doping tests, so it's not too unrealistic.
posted by bluecore at 1:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


Second most highly voted AMA question for Trump:
"White male medical graduates are largely being replaced by foreign doctors. The hospitals receive a tax break yearly when they select minorities. There are over 10,000 doctors a year that are shut out of residency programs in the name of diversity. What will you do to curb this?"
posted by Yowser at 1:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Weaver, of course, is speaking in her position as head of SCP about the release and containment of SCP #3016, Orange Humanoid Cancer

I hear she's recently been driving a truck around the country, tracking down Trump's connections to the mysterious THISTLE corporation.
posted by schmod at 1:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


No, once Treasonous Trump gets his security clearance, his speeches will be filled with equal proportions of exposed secrets and idiotic misinterpretations of what he was told. Those misinterpretations hopefully will offset some of the National Security damage (his credibility is deteriorating so quickly foreign governments may not be able to take advantage of this). And it'll all be part of my prediction of him losing votes every time he opens his mouth... not all at once (no "Surely this..." moment) but we have 100 days here to watch his support shrink to the "crazy 27%".
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


That is to say, lucky for Trump that it's not a real AMA. Can't decide whether to watch the trainwreck or log out.
posted by Yowser at 1:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


That's a lovely fantasy, oneswellfoop, I'd love whatever happy pills you're on.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:58 PM on July 27, 2016


once Treasonous Trump gets his security clearance, his speeches will be filled with equal proportions of exposed secrets and idiotic misinterpretations of what he was told.

My prediction: He will say something totally idiotic and fabricated, he will be called on it as fabricated, and he'll say nuh-uh, I know things, I've got clearance, you don't, neener!
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Is this the right thread to discuss a Trump AMA? Can we focus on the DNC, instead?
posted by gilrain at 2:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


So I've already had one Facebook acquaintance claim that Trump wasn't asking Russia to hack US servers, he just asked them to "return what was stolen" (the emails). I was a bit flabbergasted, then saw a Media Matters tweet a few minutes later pointing out that this phrasing was used by Tucker Carlson on Fox News. So the talking points are already out there. Definitely no "Surely this" moment here.
posted by Roommate at 2:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Damn, survivors of gun violence tonight, including Sandy Hook and Emmanuel Church.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:01 PM on July 27, 2016


"Women of America, we will not be defined by our appearance, or our size, or our accent." I appreciate the reference to size... maybe first time this convention?
posted by gilrain at 2:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Go, Maxine!
posted by mothershock at 2:02 PM on July 27, 2016


bluecore:

That's my deepest fear as well. Assange keeps hinting about a leak that will send Hillary to prison. I don't believe there is such a (real) email, but a skilled fabrication could totally derail the election.
posted by argybarg at 2:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


he just asked them to "return what was stolen" (the emails)

If I take a donut from you and then give it to some rando on the street, that is not returning what was stolen, that's just giving stolen goods to someone else.
posted by soren_lorensen at 2:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I made the decision that was best for me, to have an abortion."
posted by palindromic at 2:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


As always, William S. Burroughs has a relevant quote:

"There may be people who like centipedes... Personally, I would regard such an individual with deep suspicion. I have just petted my cat: 'And how is this good little cat beast?' Now what sort of man or woman or monster would stroke a centipede on his underbelly? 'And here is my good big centipede!' If such a man exists, I say kill him without more ado. He is a traitor to the human race.”
posted by infinitywaltz at 2:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [42 favorites]


"It's not as simple as 'bad girls get abortions, good girls have families'. We're the same women."
posted by gilrain at 2:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [40 favorites]


I assume Assange doesn't have anything, since he hasn't released it.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:04 PM on July 27, 2016


I hope you are all right, but the notion that Trump will all of a sudden start losing support is odd. He has done nothing but gain support for the past year. I thought he wouldn't get more than 20% of the Republican vote, but soon he was getting 30%, then 40%. I'm not going to fight the data anymore. There is no "surely this" with Trump. Seriously. You see that, right? There isn't going to be some crazy thing he says that will lose him support. That's entirely backwards. Saying crazy, dangerous stuff is his *brand* -- and more people are buying.

At this point the responsible parties, and the only ones who can make it stop, are Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, and every other Republican "leader" who has said Trump is better than Hillary. Until you see those folks rebuke him AND start to support Hillary, this will continue.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [31 favorites]






I don't think Assange has anything real. We're just talking timing on a falsified dump.
posted by argybarg at 2:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ilyse Hogue's speech just made me so proud to be a supporter of NARAL.
posted by batbat at 2:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Perhaps the Trump stuff can stay in the Day 2 thread and we can actually talk about the DNC convention in here?
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


I assume Assange doesn't have anything, since he hasn't released it.

He wants to hurt Clinton as much as possible. I expect selective leaks throughout the election with a dump a few days before election day.
posted by Justinian at 2:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


OK, can anyone come up with a Hillary version of the Cognitive Dissonance game (with rebuttals)?

something like
  • The Democrat Party has nominated a woman who was under investigation by the FBI for having information that was classified after it was put on a private e-mail server (The FBI found no evidence of wrong-doing)
  • The Democrat Party has nominated a woman who as Secretary of State allowed the attack of a United States Embassy and subsequent murder of an ambassador (I don't really know where to start here)
  • The Democrat Party has nominated a woman who is married to Bill Clinton and we all know how that guy is amirite (I guess?)
  • The Democrat Party has nominated a woman (this is way more work than I thought, and the ADHD is kicking in...)
yes, this is a joke
posted by ArgentCorvid at 2:07 PM on July 27, 2016


get bent William S. Burroughs, real centipedes are cool.
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah, I've never been more worried about the so called "October surprise" than I am this year.
posted by Roommate at 2:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Wasn't there already evidence of tampering (modification, creation out of whole cloth) in the first e-mail release? Any further releases should be assumed compromised.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


yes, this is a joke

You say that, but I had to explain to someone on Facebook today that this long list of Clinton 'wrongdoing' was basically satire.

Critical thinking skills are not for everyone, I guess.
posted by anastasiav at 2:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The closer it gets to the election, the less the federal government will do about anything that looks shady. So as long as Trump still looks worse, she'll win.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:10 PM on July 27, 2016


The claim here from Schneier is that Russian intelligence might have an interest in hacking the voting machines. Russian hacker is best hacker.

Maybe even the best troller. This article fits what I see on /r/Politics.
posted by msalt at 2:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




Well, it's good to know Wikileaks has become a vehicle for Assange to use to settle personal political scores. Well done, Julian.
posted by Sangermaine at 2:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


I still think Clinton will win.

But I also still think Trump will win no less than 45% of the popular vote.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The namesake of my old airport!
posted by Talez at 2:13 PM on July 27, 2016


the mysterious THISTLE corporation.
What does this mean? A Google search turns up nothing.
posted by pxe2000 at 2:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yay, Judy Chu! My Congresswoman!
posted by persona au gratin at 2:14 PM on July 27, 2016


Damn. That picture of Mike Honda. I miss having him as my congressman.
posted by Talez at 2:14 PM on July 27, 2016


Go Judy!
posted by persona au gratin at 2:14 PM on July 27, 2016




I'd like to personally request a significant reduction in the amount of satire around here. It is often hard to tell what is and is not satire, especially online, in text-only forums like this.

If you have something to say, please say it clearly and distinctly.
posted by yesster at 2:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


What does this mean? A Google search turns up nothing.


It's from a Podcast, Alice Isn't Dead. Thistle Man is the antagonist.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


All individual actors, and I *doubt* any of the real players would ever pass a security clearance...

Hacker culture people are no way showing up for Hillary because of her stances on encryption and surveillance and IP. This is kind of a silly discussion but if it really did come down to this I'd still think it would be more academic/industrial/defense/intelligence-establishment-connected security people who would be interested in intervening (unofficially).
posted by atoxyl at 2:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]




yesster: I'd like to personally request a significant reduction in the amount of satire around here. It is often hard to tell what is and is not satire, especially online, in text-only forums like this.

It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
posted by clawsoon at 2:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [35 favorites]


Why such lukewarm support for restoring the Voting Rights Act? As someone who lives in an affected state, with immediate consequences after its repeal, this is a major priority, and I would expect all liberals/progressives to be on board with that.
posted by Superplin at 2:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


What is the shouting going on during the AAPI speakers?
posted by mothershock at 2:21 PM on July 27, 2016


Even straight-up mainstream news can't resist the snark now.

"I'm not going to tell Putin what to do — why should I tell Putin what to do?" Trump said.

Trump, who once called on Robert Pattinson to break up with Twilight co-star Kristen Stewart, is not exactly known for holding back his thoughts on what others should do.

posted by gimonca at 2:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [29 favorites]


So i'm still floored that Judy Chu is the first Chinese American woman elected to congress. Took a while eh, i'm tearing up about it ahh ;;;;;
posted by one teak forest at 2:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think a lot of people haven't been paying attention to how fucked voting rights are getting again.
posted by atoxyl at 2:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Knowing whether something is satire or not is really quite simple. If it's less absurd than the last thing you heard Trump say, it was satire. If it's more absurd than what you think he could have said, it's a direct quote of his that you aren't yet aware of.
posted by Slackermagee at 2:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


First openly gay PoC elected to Congress: "As a Gaysian," he supports HRC. :D
posted by gilrain at 2:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


I'm excited to hear more Gaysian analysis
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 2:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Why such lukewarm support for restoring the Voting Rights Act?

I think it's just early in the day, maybe not everybody has shown up yet. The crowd noise I'm hearing on the YouTube feed sounds like it's probably much louder in the room, just not coming through over the mics.
posted by dnash at 2:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm seriously wondering if a lot of journalists didn't get together and have a bit of a meeting.

"Let's give him as much rope as it takes for him to hang himself."

"NO! Let's give him that much rope, and then some more, to see who else is willing to share the noose!"

That's the only scenario I can envision that justifies the kid-gloves approach the media has taken so far to Trump.
posted by yesster at 2:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


A rumor that CNN is reporting Tim Kaine won't be speaking because they're afraid he'll get booed?! Has anyone else heard this?
posted by Andrhia at 2:25 PM on July 27, 2016


All of the AAPI senators & reps are up on stage (including Guam & Northern Mariana Is), they are all giving short, awesome endorsements. It is worth watching, if you aren't already.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I dunno, I think that there's some possibility that if Wikileaks just has more of the same, they can dump it in October and it won't do much. Has their most recent one really done much other than render people fractious at the convention? How many people who were seriously going to vote for Hillary are not going to because of this? If they have something genuinely terrible, that might change the game, but if it's just "Democratic Party officials discuss acting improperly, to no one's particular surprise", will it really convince anyone that a Trump administration is a good idea?
posted by Frowner at 2:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Democrats need less of a"Get Out The Vote" campaign and more of a "Protect The Vote And The Voter" campaign.
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


I mean, faked leaks would be really bad, but it would also come out eventually and that would spell the end of Wikileaks.
posted by Frowner at 2:26 PM on July 27, 2016


That's the only scenario I can envision that justifies the kid-gloves approach the media has taken so far to Trump.

He puts eyeballs on the ads. "What crazy shit did that Trump say now" *click click*.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 2:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


that would spell the end of Wikileaks.
But Assange assumes that would happen after President Trump gives him a full pardon and a job as Federal Transparency Officer...
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Frowner: I mean, faked leaks would be really bad, but it would also come out eventually and that would spell the end of Wikileaks.

Probably too late to avoid interfering with election results, though, so it would still be a win for them.
posted by Superplin at 2:29 PM on July 27, 2016


CNN is reporting that Kaine didn't get a formal nominating speech from Rep. Bobby Scott (where someone else stands up and says nice things about him and puts his name into nomination, as is traditional) due to fear of booing.
posted by zachlipton at 2:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


You know, all this talk about Russian spies in the US makes me wish I hadn't binge-watched the first few seasons of The Americans on Netflix or read the post here about the real-life spies the show is based on.
posted by SteveInMaine at 2:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Has their most recent one really done much other than render people fractious at the convention?

Wasn't that essentially the point? Like, they released those leaks that would cause fractures at the DNC right before the DNC - seems like a reasonable strategy.

Nobody but Assange and his mystery hacker know what else they have.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:31 PM on July 27, 2016


I’m so sorry, Mitt Romney
posted by zakur at 2:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Apparently there was a ~11 minute video about Clinton's mother (and narrated by Meryl Streep) that was bumped off yesterday's schedule. The Daily Beast has it up.
posted by mhum at 2:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I understand this message of "trans rights the right thing to do, and they're good for business" but I do wish it could stand without the conjunction.
posted by gilrain at 2:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


A rumor that CNN is reporting Tim Kaine won't be speaking because they're afraid he'll get booed?! Has anyone else heard this?

That's what CNN twitter says. Stupid, if true; it's not like they aren't going to be any less whiny during Kaine's actual speech.
posted by tavella at 2:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I feel like the tech entrepreneurs feel really out of their depth when they can't use cat gifs in their presentations.

(pro Cat Gif 2018)
posted by mrzarquon at 2:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Can I just note here that every single speaker gets a different bit of walk out music from the house band, while the GOP house band only knew like five songs?
posted by zachlipton at 2:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I do appreciate that both entrepreneurs who have spoken so far have come from a tech hub other than Silicon Valley.
posted by gilrain at 2:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Now, I could be wrong but I believe in that montage that preceded the AAPI there was a quick snapshot of Pramila Jayapal who was the featured guest on the latest release of W Kamau Bell & Hari Kondabolu's podcast Politically Re-Active. It's a great episode!
posted by one teak forest at 2:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Probably too late to avoid interfering with election results, though, so it would still be a win for them.

Yeah, but I'm still hoping that Assange wouldn't burn his own organization to the ground purely to install Trump. Maybe he would, I don't know. These are scary times. I really wish that people with legitimate grudges against the US government would think through the actual, lived consequences of installing the Worst Possible President.

If you are committed to the life of an underground hacker-type person, sure, fine, it probably won't make much difference whether you're running from a Democrat or a Republican, and probably you don't want ordinary things like a stable living situation, kids, etc, plus you presumably have powerful allies who can help you get, like, cool underground doctors to help you if you get sick. I'm not knocking that if it's your thing, but just like any specialized profession, it's not the answer to everyone's problems.
posted by Frowner at 2:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


I see nothing on CNN's twitter about Tim Kaine not speaking.
posted by Justinian at 2:34 PM on July 27, 2016


We really and truly are living in the era of post-factual politics. It's bizarre, surreal and frightening:

The best thing Trump has going for him right now is that the ongoing story of a major party nominee who has unclear financial ties to Russia, significant alignment with Russian policy, and effectively encourages Russian cyberattacks, sounds so absurd that voters may find it hard to believe.
posted by My Dad at 2:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


one teak forest: subscribed. Thanks!
posted by persona au gratin at 2:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


DNC STAFFER: Okay, Mayor de Blasio, what do you want for your walkup music?
DE BLASIO: Santana. That great Santana song.
DNCS: Black Magic Woman, okay, we'll—
DB: No, the other—the one he did with the other guy.
DNCS: Tito Puente? You want Oye Como Va, okay, no pro—
DB: No, no the one with, you know. The Blink 182 guy.
posted by cortex at 2:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


I do appreciate that both entrepreneurs who have spoken so far have come from a tech hub other than Silicon Valley.

They're a married couple, so it's not much of a coincidence.
posted by acidic at 2:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Kinda getting weary of the same litany of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments from speaker after speaker. Maybe these early sessions could be focused on down ticket races and candidates?
posted by notyou at 2:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


> Wikileaks latest balls up: Why Did WikiLeaks Help Dox Most of Turkey’s Adult Female Population?
This sort of thing happened over and over as the rumors swirled out across Twitter, with journalists, cranks, conspiracy theorists, and other people who don’t read Turkish holding up utterly pedestrian content from online discussion forums as proof of … something. Tufekci compared the English-language response to a hypothetical foreign group gaining access to an archive of MetaFilter threads, publishing them online, and a sleuth — non-English-speaking — then plucking out a few that contained a 9/11 truther’s pasted emails to the government and presenting them as new evidence about the attacks’ true perpetrators.
posted by homunculus at 2:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


I didn't realize that, thanks!
posted by gilrain at 2:38 PM on July 27, 2016






Gaysian analysis is all about decision-making based on posteriors.
posted by biogeo at 2:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [33 favorites]


I really wish that people with legitimate grudges against the US government would think through the actual, lived consequences of installing the Worst Possible President.

There are many (including Assange) with grudges (legitimate or not) who would genuinely benefit from installing The Worst Possible President. After all, when he gets the power to fire all the Civil Servants, he has to hire sycophants from somewhere...
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


a hypothetical foreign group gaining access to an archive of MetaFilter threads

Oh god we're all doomed.
posted by zachlipton at 2:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The DNC house band just played a couple bars of the Grammy-award-winning 1999 hit "Smooth" by Santana feat Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty off the multi-platinum album Supernatural
posted by Senor Cardgage at 2:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is the band playing Somewhere on an electric handsaw?
posted by zachlipton at 2:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've been knitting a lace doily while watching both conventions. It has an acorn motif in it, so it'll be a suitable memento for this political time: either the planting of the seed of a mighty oak of change, or the election where the US went nuts.

I'm not even USian. But I can see you from my house.
posted by Mary Ellen Carter at 2:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [55 favorites]


This is a nice tribute, but the music is horrible. It sounds like a parody of an In Memoriam segment.
posted by Gaz Errant at 2:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but name-checking us in an analogy that gets picked up by NY Mag can melt Mefite hearts <3
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yeah, I'm not sure who decided that a harmonica cover of the song when Tony's dying in West Side Story was the one to go with.
posted by ChuraChura at 2:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


What scares me is that apparently NY Mag and perhaps even hypothetical foreign groups can read the comments down here. I was under the impression I was talking to myself here and y'all were just other parts of my brain who came to keep me company. This changes everything.
posted by zachlipton at 2:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Listing Muhammad Ali as 'Champion/Humanitarian' was a nice touch.
posted by palindromic at 2:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Disability rights take center stage at DNC.

Thanks for posting this, persona au gratin.

Harriet McBryde Johnson's takedown of the Christopher Reeve DNC appearance is fantastic.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I'm not sure who decided that a harmonica cover of the song when Tony's dying in West Side Story was the one to go with.

Pretty sure it was Tim.
posted by Gaz Errant at 2:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I know I might not look like your typical member of Congress. And it's true! I haven't really gotten the bolo tie look to catch on."
posted by gilrain at 2:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


This guy is great.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Tufekci is watching.
posted by Yowser at 2:52 PM on July 27, 2016


Sarcasm tag
posted by Yowser at 2:53 PM on July 27, 2016


Kinda getting weary of the same litany of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments from speaker after speaker. Maybe these early sessions could be focused on down ticket races and candidates?

notsureifserious.jpg
posted by dersins at 2:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Down Ticket Shout Outs!
posted by mrzarquon at 2:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"If he [Trump] is our standard bearer, what happened to our standards?" Huzzah these videos.
posted by Sweetdefenestration at 2:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Christ is running again.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:54 PM on July 27, 2016


I mean, faked leaks would be really bad, but it would also come out eventually and that would spell the end of Wikileaks.

Probably too late to avoid interfering with election results, though, so it would still be a win for them.


We learned about falsified emails in the existing leak less than week after it happened. The real issue is whether it matters that the falsifications are discovered at all, not how timely the discovery will be.

Yeah, but I'm still hoping that Assange wouldn't burn his own organization to the ground purely to install Trump.

At this point, I don't think Assange cares about his organisation's legacy.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


this most recent stuff is like the big speech scene in the sci-fi movie where the villain makes a weird gurgling cough and throws off his human disguise to reveal that he is actually a sentient yeast mold from a failed US Cold War Jello warfare experiment.

Hey, let's not get personal, bub.
posted by Gelatin at 2:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


Not that "Gaysian" isn't a delightful term in itself, but it'd be nice to mention his name is Rep. Mark Takano.
posted by psoas at 2:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


That was a photo of the women House members on stage from yesterday, in the midst of that video. Whoa. This production team is so amazing!
posted by gilrain at 2:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know it's very intertwined with the election and I know the mods have been keeping everything election in these threads, but I would really love to see the Russia/Trump theme get its own thread. I feel like it's a big enough topic on its own.
posted by triggerfinger at 2:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Serious! The focus has shifted a bit since I contributed that.
posted by notyou at 2:58 PM on July 27, 2016


Christ is running again.
posted by persona au gratin at 2:54 PM on July 27 [+] [!]


OMG I didn't know he ran before? What party? Judean Peoples Front?
posted by ramix at 2:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


SPLITTER
posted by dersins at 2:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


My mayor and cool guy Andrew Gillum just gave a perfectly cromulent speech. On a personal level, he has helped out my nonprofit, and is a totally hoopy frood and I'm glad that he was representing the 850!
posted by Cookiebastard at 3:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Personally, I'd like to keep everything election-related in one thread.
posted by zachlipton at 3:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Christ is running again.

Woody's got the campaign song ready!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


This voiceover, with its overlapped voices and only-occasional reverb... is sort of creepy-sounding?
posted by gilrain at 3:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was a superb film.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:02 PM on July 27, 2016


Robert F'n Rodriguez!
posted by PenDevil at 3:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


We learned about falsified emails in the existing leak less than week after it happened. The real issue is whether it matters that the falsifications are discovered at all, not how timely the discovery will be.

Do you have any links? Searching Google mostly brings up stories about how DNC allegedly faked various things instead.
posted by ymgve at 3:03 PM on July 27, 2016


Fer fucks sake, I just logged on to the live feed and already misty eyed.
posted by Mooski at 3:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Personally, I'd like to keep everything election-related in one thread.

I feel like the convention threads are a good place for minute-to-minute reactions to news releases, then somebody can do a FPP round-up of all the DNCLeaks news once the story settles a bit?
posted by tobascodagama at 3:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Do you have any links? Searching Google mostly brings up stories about how DNC allegedly faked various things instead.

I wanted to put a link in my post, but I ran into the same issue. There was an article that came up in my Twitter feed that talked about this. I'll see if I can find it. But the tampering is supposed to be a key part of the evidence that Russia was the source of the leaks.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:07 PM on July 27, 2016


Park Cannon (D-GA) I'm a woman, I'm African American, I'm queer! We need to trust black women!"
posted by Sophie1 at 3:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


wait a damned minute, was that Dr. Chilton
posted by cortex at 3:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok this is so much corn I'm getting popcorn lung just watching.
posted by zachlipton at 3:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


omg Debbie Almontaser, I remember learning about her in a metafilter post at some time ago. great to hear from her!!
posted by one teak forest at 3:07 PM on July 27, 2016


RAUL ESPARZA
posted by rewil at 3:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Who are these singers? This is terrible.
posted by waitingtoderail at 3:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


RAUUUUUUUUUUUUL oh yais
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 3:08 PM on July 27, 2016


Okay I've clearly opened up this stream in the middle of something already in progress but these singers look like an Upright Citizen's Brigade skit
posted by penduluum at 3:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


"the so called "October surprise"

This is where the transplanted face of the Donald Trump, falls off, along with the fingerprints, and the incredulous vote for him anyway.
posted by Oyéah at 3:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


This musical interlude...
posted by mothershock at 3:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow these singers are...something else...
posted by ramix at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


There's something comforting in this, a really strong entry in the Cheesiest Song Ever competition. This is the Democratic party of my childhood, or something.

(Also it's not making me tear up, so uh, that's a pleasant break.)
posted by kalimac at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


OK, first fail. Wow, that's bad.

But if that's the low point of the whole event then I'm more than happy.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


The C-SPAN app's audio is delayed like 15 seconds compared to the channel, which is disconcerting when you're trying to use both to follow along.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016


This Vice article mentions the DNCLeak tampering.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did they not rehearse this bit?
posted by palindromic at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


You guys promised I would get misty eyed if I live streamed this! I don't think you meant these singers causing physical pain to my eyes and ears
posted by kanewai at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Are they making it up as they go?????
posted by mothershock at 3:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


That was... rough. It's really tough to do that live, though, and it sounded to me like they may have had in-ear monitor issues.
posted by gilrain at 3:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Let's pretend this never happened and move on.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 3:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


This is why we're not allowed in Eurovision.
posted by cortex at 3:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [54 favorites]


Damn but these threads are moving fast. Two things:

1. For those who missed it earlier, North Korea says Trump isn't screwy at all, a wise choice for president is not a satire from The Onion as I thought because it reads like satire. It's from Reuters. A sample:

DPRK Today also said Trump's suggestion that the United States should pull its troops from South Korea until Seoul pays more was the way to achieve Korean unification.

"It turns out that Trump is not the rough-talking, screwy, ignorant candidate they say he is, but is actually a wise politician and a prescient presidential candidate," said the column, written by a China-based Korean scholar identified as Han Yong Muk.

DPRK Today is among a handful of news sites run by the isolated North, although its content is not always handled by the main state-run media.


2. My eyes are killing me. If, like me, you are glued to a computer screen and have been for hours, consider blinking more, taking breaks and doing a few other things to help your eyes. That is all.
posted by Bella Donna at 3:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


AMERIVISION 2016 now presents its only entry

"AMERICA" by America
posted by penduluum at 3:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


I am suspecting their ear monitors were not working.
posted by Lyn Never at 3:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


*blinks*

ok, good for another couple of hours...
posted by Hairy Lobster at 3:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's a data dump of unknown provenance and handling involving at least one somewhat untrustworthy actor (Wikileaks dumping Turkish women's info is awful). We have no way of knowing whether they are tampered with for sure. Though what I've seen so far makes me think it unlikely as it was all pretty tame and not surprising.
posted by R343L at 3:11 PM on July 27, 2016


Gotta be honest, I muted that and put Fight Song on again.
posted by Gaz Errant at 3:11 PM on July 27, 2016


What the hell was that 'America' song?
posted by lkc at 3:12 PM on July 27, 2016


Sigh. I'm calling it, folks. Those singers just cost Hillary Clinton the election. Get ready for President Trump.

that was satire, also I wasn't even watching
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Now this musical interlude is much better and totally makes up for whatever that was.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 3:12 PM on July 27, 2016


Was that Jerry Gergich on the Jumbotron?
posted by ActingTheGoat at 3:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


What the hell was that 'America' song?

Apparently a Gloria Estefan song.
posted by waitingtoderail at 3:13 PM on July 27, 2016


"America"
posted by biogeo at 3:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am suspecting their ear monitors were not working.


Or possibly their ears. Hopefully their ears.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 3:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


... He gets You Can Call Me Al?
posted by rewil at 3:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


well, that was the musical equivalent of slowly pouring a bud-light over a massive stack of kraft singles.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 3:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Why is Jackson reading from notes instead of the teleprompter?
posted by Justinian at 3:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


The center lady is reading her notes while singing, maybe the show had to be stretched 5 mins and they just threw those guys out there.
posted by sideshow at 3:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is he reading this looking down at the podium instead of using the teleprompter and looking at the audience?
posted by zachlipton at 3:15 PM on July 27, 2016


It's a data dump of unknown provenance and handling involving at least one somewhat untrustworthy actor (Wikileaks dumping Turkish women's info is awful). We have no way of knowing whether they are tampered with for sure. Though what I've seen so far makes me think it unlikely as it was all pretty tame and not surprising.

Wikileaks did not do that dump they linked to it.
.@WikiLeaks didn't upload the #AKP files with the private info on Turkish women - I did (and they've been removed)
posted by yertledaturtle at 3:15 PM on July 27, 2016


Oh, they're playing the America song, turn it up.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 3:15 PM on July 27, 2016


After the Dean Scream last night, I mentioned on Twitter that the Crystal Method Dean Scream remix of "Keep Hope Alive" was nowhere to be found on the internet.

Thanks to a friend of mine contacting the original producer, it's back.
posted by dw at 3:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Serious question: I'm not originally from the US so forgive me for not knowing this. What accent does Jesse Jackson have? I cannot place it.
posted by ramix at 3:15 PM on July 27, 2016


Oh dear, Jesse Jackson's speech is reminding me of Ken Kesey's address to my graduating class.
posted by monopas at 3:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Geez, this is like me giving an 8th grade book report. I thought Jackson was better than this?
posted by Justinian at 3:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


But WikiLeaks did release personal info of DNC donors, which is also pretty bad. In general they have never seemed to care about what is in their "leaks".
posted by thefoxgod at 3:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


His accent is affected by some kind of neural damage. He used to articulate better, with a slight "southern preacher" accent.
posted by yesster at 3:17 PM on July 27, 2016


I'm feeling kind of disheartened guys.

Bernie has done a really really good job of selling the whole Hillary is a liar and the DNC are a bunch of crooks narrative. I'm finding it really hard to push people back from that. Even if they agree that Trump is crooked, they still somehow think that he's more trustworthy than she is. The email thing just will not go away.

I heard some people talking about the DNC, and it was like they'd watched a different event. A very cynical, oh politics as usual kind of take on Bernie's endorsement of Hillary.

I find myself wishing for the hundredth time that Bernie had not pushed quite so hard, not made it so very difficult to turn the narrative around. There are people on my Facebook who still seem to believe he will come back and take the Democratic nomination (not a friend, friend of a friend), which at this point is a level of delusion I'm not sure anyone can come back from.
posted by peacheater at 3:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


To be fair, given how absolutely and consistently amazing the whole event has been so far there had to be a lull at some point. I guess the first part of today is it.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 3:17 PM on July 27, 2016


(his message is good, but he certainly has lost his oratory ooomph)
posted by yesster at 3:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


The National popular vote needs to be a blow out. 3-5 points. EVERYONE needs to answer truthfully to the polls.

If the blowout is big enough and the polls are all clustered in a range, then fuckery with the vote will be exposed as an impossible outlier.

Data drives the truth, so make the data overwhelmingly tell the story NO ON TRUMP.


I mean, I appreciate your optimism, but it doesn't seem like anybody supporting Trump will heed overwhelming data.

I mean, I've literally had someone I know who supports Trump respond to actual facts I presented as, "Well, that's your opinion...", and this was long before John Oliver picked up on it last week.
posted by qcubed at 3:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


ramix: He has a slightly Southern accent, but he also speaks with a particular cadence associated with African-American religious leaders, which may be more of what you're hearing?
posted by kalimac at 3:19 PM on July 27, 2016


To be fair, given how absolutely and consistently amazing the whole event has been so far there had to be a lull at some point.

Considering what the night looks like, I think they can get away with it.
posted by Mooski at 3:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yo yo yo yo yo!
What time is it?
Show time!
…like I said…
posted by zachlipton at 3:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]




I feel like I missed all the good parts
posted by kanewai at 3:21 PM on July 27, 2016


There was also a mail that was alleged to come from James Carville circulated on some alt-right sites, but the content of that mail was not in the Wikileaks dump.
posted by ymgve at 3:21 PM on July 27, 2016


So I've mentioned before that I work for a Catholic organization (despite not being Catholic myself). My co-workers all universally express that Trump is a nutter. They all watched Michelle Obama and thought she was amazing. Same with Bill Clinton. I haven't asked where they stand on Hillary but I'm pretty sure they like Tim Kaine (being a good Catholic and all). I think I can be hopeful that they're going to at least not vote for Trump? Right?
posted by cooker girl at 3:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I was really excited to see Rev. Jesse Jackson, but he mostly seems bored. I mean I get it, he's seen some shit. I personally am sure that if I had Jesse Jackson's life, I would have retreated (flown, screaming) from the public eye decades ago.

ramix: it's a kind of South Carolina/deep Appalachian. It's not one you hear very often anymore in the media. Mississippi, central Alabama, poor Georgia, south South Carolina. And on preview: also possibly some kind of neurological issues, yes.
posted by penduluum at 3:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can we blame Meredith for booking the singers?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bernie has done a really really good job of selling the whole Hillary is a liar and the DNC are a bunch of crooks narrative.

The DNC bit yes, but I don't remember him pushing anything like "Hillary is a liar." As far as I can tell his issues were with Hillary's policies, not anything about her trustworthiness.

I find myself wishing for the hundredth time that Bernie had not pushed quite so hard, not made it so very difficult to turn the narrative around.

This part I agree with. He's not responsible for everything his supporters do, but whichever one talked about him "giving them Mountain Dew and then telling them to be quiet" was on to something, even if his analogy was a bit silly. He could have done much better at arriving at the unity message sooner.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"...unlike some obnoxious, race-baiting folks on the other side who I also know. Shaaaade. Boy bye."
posted by gilrain at 3:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Star Jones is doing the intro to a Flint, MI piece. Ha! Is that a big FU to Michael Moore?
posted by lkc at 3:23 PM on July 27, 2016


Star Jones, in reference to Trump: "Boy bye."
posted by palindromic at 3:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh, god, that poor woman who lost her twins in Flint.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Thisis being circulated on Twitter by people with stunning faith in the legitimacy of random craigslist postings
posted by mothershock at 3:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Kinda getting weary of the same litany of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments from speaker after speaker. Maybe these early sessions could be focused on down ticket races and candidates?


I actually think this is super important for them to be doing. There is a lot of misrepresentation and misperception of HRC's values and accomplishments. All the testimonials about how Clinton has helped people hammer home who she really is and what she's been fighting for her whole career. I know I personally have gained some ammunition for all the arguments I have with people who tell me she's just in it for the glory, or her personal enrichment -- that she doesn't really care about progressive values and is on the side of wall st, not main st.

I'm not sure it makes sense to focus on downticket races at a national convention anyway -- any individual race is only going to be pertinent to a tiny fraction of people there. Seems better to organize that stuff online and locally while helping fund it nationally.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 3:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [28 favorites]




Biden busted in DNC parking lot.

I'm gonna miss the Onion's Biden stuff so much.
posted by rp at 3:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Schedule advisory: "Trump Force One is running a bit late, there will be a delay in the start of the AMA."
posted by zachlipton at 3:27 PM on July 27, 2016




Shut up, Jill, the grown-ups are talking.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm a lifelong Michigander. I opposed Rick Snyder for Governor of Michigan, supporting his less-than-ideal Democratic candidate Virg Bernero. The Flint water failure is a permanent reminder of the danger of electing even ostensibly moderate Republicans, that the modern Republican Party is not to be trusted with governance on any level until they do some serious house-cleaning and soul-searching.
posted by palindromic at 3:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]


Can anyone else on a Roku help me figure out how to get it on? I am reading that you can see it on twitch, PBS etc but I don't see it searching for DNC or Democrat.
posted by nakedmolerats at 3:30 PM on July 27, 2016


shaaaaade

boi bye!
posted by numaner at 3:30 PM on July 27, 2016


That's it, Jill Stein just made me regret voting for Nader in 2000.
posted by peeedro at 3:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Petition to stop pretending like what Jill Stein says matters or should be shared, pretty please. I'm sick of her and she doesn't fucking matter.
posted by rorgy at 3:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [52 favorites]


Can anyone else on a Roku help me figure out how to get it on? I am reading that you can see it on twitch, PBS etc but I don't see it searching for DNC or Democrat.

The twitch feed is called 'dnc2016'

Try searching for that.
posted by zachlipton at 3:31 PM on July 27, 2016


Where are you folks watching Jill Stein?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow, peeedro, you're lucky. I've regretted voting for Nader in 2000 for 16 years.
posted by Don Pepino at 3:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


Kinda getting weary of the same litany of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments from speaker after speaker. Maybe these early sessions could be focused on down ticket races and candidates?

It's like top 40 radio: if you're hearing the same song fifteen times a day, it's because you're listening to way, way more radio than anyone expects you to.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 3:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


and why are you folks watching Jill?
posted by numaner at 3:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary for America is now asking me if I have a spare room/couch to put up volunteers. Has anyone done this before? We do have a spare room plus a couch, and it wouldn't be hard to do this for a bit. I'm not sure what the time commitment would be like, or whether it would even make sense in Massachusetts (would people be driving into NH from here, for example?)
posted by peacheater at 3:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Trump Force One is running a bit late, there will be a delay in the start of the AMA."

Trump Force One? Is that new? or has he always called his plane that?

Hey it is Butterfield from NC...
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:34 PM on July 27, 2016


Tonight I'm not getting on till 8. I need a break for a minute hahahahaha
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I linked to a tweet of hers.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:34 PM on July 27, 2016


Can anyone else on a Roku help me figure out how to get it on? I am reading that you can see it on twitch, PBS etc but I don't see it searching for DNC or Democrat.

Try 'Democratic,' maybe? It was also being advertised on the home screen yesterday.

You can also grab a live feed from the DNC Youtube channel on the Roku Youtube app, if the official DNC app doesn't show up.
posted by cjelli at 3:34 PM on July 27, 2016


I linked to a tweet of hers.

Look at what you did. You gave them anxiety.
posted by biogeo at 3:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I like this guy, but I keep missing their names (or I can't figure out how to turn it on on the DNC youtube channel). Who's the Muslim ex-cop?
posted by kanewai at 3:36 PM on July 27, 2016


NPR feed is good. Didn't see Stein though.
posted by Oyéah at 3:36 PM on July 27, 2016


Can anyone else on a Roku help me figure out how to get it on?

And, if it helps, this is the channel you want.
posted by cjelli at 3:36 PM on July 27, 2016


It sounded like a chant of "Hill-a-ry" during the Flint Mayor's speech. Were they trying to drown of BoBers? Whoever it was, I'm pretty sure that a black female mayor of Flint Michigan talking about the criminal horror show foisted upon that city isn't particularly protest-worthy.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 3:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


For the Trump AMA, they've given him the selected questions beforehand, right? And an aide will just cut and paste the semi-carefully crafted responses, right? I'm not sure why they're carrying on the charade of him "arriving" late. As if Trump's sitting at a keyboard typing. Does he even know how to use a computer? I guess if the responses are stream of consciousness with spelling errors, we'll know.
posted by bluecore at 3:36 PM on July 27, 2016


I really like this Andre Carson. He should be a bright upcoming Democratic star.

Also, Karen Bass! Represent!
posted by Sophie1 at 3:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Y'all are helping keep me sane. I look at 538 & the polls and get so, so scared.
posted by pointystick at 3:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I've gone for low rez cspan, so as to avoid overlays and talking heads. Although, I'm about 10 minutes behind, because I keep pausing it to deal with other humans who insist on me paying attention to them.

Is Jesse Jackson ok? He seemed like he didn't want to be there. The flint video is heartbreaking.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 3:38 PM on July 27, 2016


Biden, who was also selling plastic Frisbees bearing a large letter “H” scrawled in permanent black marker, confirmed that customers could also purchase a bag of mushrooms by using the code words “trip balls.”

I just really wanted to highlight that part.
posted by triggerfinger at 3:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


I've never seen the_donald less racist, anti-LGBT, etc. I have no doubt the media will see through this charade.
posted by Yowser at 3:39 PM on July 27, 2016


After seeing as much of the DNC as I have, without the talking heads, I don't think a Bernie Sander's convention would have appealed as much as this one. This is so inclusive and full of difference even among those that speak of the same topic. Given the nearly singular message that Sander's was known for, I just can't see it impacting as many people as this convention.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 3:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'm not sure why they're carrying on the charade of him "arriving" late.

Having worked for a control freak, I can tell you that there will be a great wailing in the Trump campaign should someone post something under his name that he disagrees with when he reads it (even if he agreed with it when it was written five days ago).

Best to wait until he can nod and give a tiny thumbs up.
posted by Mooski at 3:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


The DNC's Youtube stream is also working well if you have a device that supports Youtube (I'm on my desktop right now, but was using Amazing Firestick last night to stream, before my wifi bugged out and I had to resort to MSNBC for Bill's speech)
posted by numaner at 3:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It's a choice between the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Hate."
posted by zachlipton at 3:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


They need to stop namechecking amazing people, now I want to somehow simultaneously watch this and every Barbara Jordan speech I can find....
posted by kalimac at 3:40 PM on July 27, 2016


Whoever it was, I'm pretty sure that a black female mayor of Flint Michigan talking about the criminal horror show foisted upon that city isn't particularly protest-worthy.

She's at the center of an abuse of funds scandal, so I could see people protesting her.
posted by NoxAeternum at 3:40 PM on July 27, 2016


NPR
posted by Oyéah at 3:40 PM on July 27, 2016


Guy speaking now is doing the high-energy Jesse Jackson rhyming riffs that Jesse Jackson didn't.
posted by cortex at 3:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


I watched the entire RNC on twitch just fine then I had a lot of trouble yesterday. There was hacking or something (I've never used twitch before so I'm not sure how it is supposed to work) Lots of weird graphics popped up (such as "citation needed") and then occasional interruptions in the feed where some other audio broke in. Long story short the YouTube feed has been no problem.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:40 PM on July 27, 2016


nthing DNC youtube livestream.

no problems at all.
posted by monopas at 3:42 PM on July 27, 2016


Youtube DNC feed, it's rock solid even all the way at the bottom of Africa.
posted by PenDevil at 3:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yvette Clarke needs to go out on the campaign trail. That is one freaking charismatic woman.
posted by Sophie1 at 3:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary "Rout 'em" Clinton!
posted by Groundhog Week at 3:44 PM on July 27, 2016


Bernie Sanders received more positive coverage than Hillary in the media and he spent more money that she did. A few internal emails where some DNC person suggested doing something; but then didn't isn't rigging the primary.
posted by humanfont at 3:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


John Lewis did a little dance as he walked off with the CBC, I love it.
posted by biogeo at 3:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm pretty sure we didn't hear Rick James' "Give It To Me Baby" at the RNC.
posted by vverse23 at 3:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Awww look at those ladies (all elected officials) dancing off the stage-- that's something you didn't see at the RNC.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:47 PM on July 27, 2016


I'm pretty sure we didn't hear Rick James' "Give It To Me Baby" at the RNC.

And that's why they were dancing!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:48 PM on July 27, 2016


I'm pretty sure we didn't hear Rick James' "Give It To Me Baby" at the RNC.

Or "transvaginal ultrasounds."
posted by waitingtoderail at 3:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


Ugh. Talking about Republicans making it mandatory for women to have Transvaginal Ultrasounds before getting abortions. They did that here in NC. It sickens me. TU are no joke-- they are invasive and can be painful.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Bernie Sanders
D-VT


For how long though?
posted by PenDevil at 3:51 PM on July 27, 2016


Can someone tell me what the deal is with Trump allegedly asking Russia to hack the Dems' servers? I saw a few references to that but not the underlying story.
posted by Joe in Australia at 3:52 PM on July 27, 2016


Harry Reid was a boxer in his youth. Who knew?
posted by Sophie1 at 3:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've just had my eyes open to another possible first: a majority of women in one - or both - houses of Congress.
posted by jaruwaan at 3:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I look at 538 & the polls and get so, so scared.

I look at 538 and the polls and get the feeling that no "special sauce" can make sense of forecasting NH for Trump on the basis of him being having no lead in all state polls save one. I don't think 538 does particularly well at forecasting this far out, because it creates the impression of a wildly shifting probable future, which simply isn't the way that the world works. Two weeks ago they thought we had a 70+% chance of living in a world where HRC will win, and now the model think that's shifted to almost 50% on the basis of a fairly small number of national polls. The point is that the data, at this point, really aren't giving us a strong indication of which world we live in, and it's misleading to create the impression that we've received information in the last week or so which genuinely informs us of a 20 odd percent shift in probability. The PEC model is not necessarily (or even probably) more accurate, but in that specific way, it's less misleading
posted by howfar at 3:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


NYT story on that, Joe.
posted by gilrain at 3:53 PM on July 27, 2016


Harry Reid has apparently preemptively Dealt With It.
posted by cortex at 3:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Cool shades, Harry.
posted by biogeo at 3:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Can someone tell me what the deal is with Trump allegedly asking Russia to hack the Dems' servers? I saw a few references to that but not the underlying story.

NYT: Donald Trump Calls on Russia to Find Hillary Clinton’s Missing Emails
DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, essentially encouraging an adversarial foreign power to cyberspy on a secretary of state’s correspondence.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras during a news conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
...
Mr. Trump’s call was an extraordinary moment at a time when Russia is being accused of meddling in the United States’ presidential election. His comments came amid questions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, which American intelligence agencies have told the White House they have “high confidence” was the work of the Russian government.

Later in the news conference, when asked if he was really urging a foreign nation to hack into the private email server of Mrs. Clinton, or at least interfere in the nation’s elections, he dismissed the question. “That’s up to the president,” Mr. Trump said, before finally saying “be quiet” to the female questioner. “Let the president talk to them.”
posted by cjelli at 3:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hell of a tribute montage for Harry Reid!
posted by rp at 3:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


There are plenty of people in the AMA who are trolling Trump with questions based on blatantly false information to trick him into saying something (even more) stupid, which I kinda wish the media did in their press conferences too.
posted by acidic at 3:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


Can someone tell me what the deal is with Trump allegedly asking Russia to hack the Dems' servers? I saw a few references to that but not the underlying story.

Trump gave a very weird press conference today. Check the end of the previous thread for more.

NYTimes:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras during a news conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Mr. Trump’s call was an extraordinary moment at a time when Russia is being accused of meddling in the United States’ presidential election. His comments came amid questions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, which American intelligence agencies have told the White House they have “high confidence” was the work of the Russian government.

Later in the news conference, when asked if he was really urging a foreign nation to hack into the private email server of Mrs. Clinton, or at least interfere in the nation’s elections, he dismissed the question. “That’s up to the president,” Mr. Trump said, before finally saying “be quiet” to the female questioner. “Let the president talk to them.”
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:58 PM on July 27, 2016


There are plenty of people in the AMA who are trolling Trump with questions based on blatantly false information

I'm seeing lots of deleted posts. They also say "we have temporarily taken extra security measures to keep our community free from troublemakers. We built the wall 10 ft taller, you might say."
posted by waitingtoderail at 3:58 PM on July 27, 2016


Reid is not a great speaker. I admire his legislative record, but this is not a good presentation or likely to convince any moderate republicans.
posted by modernnomad at 3:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


This sort of thing happened over and over as the rumors swirled out across Twitter, with journalists, cranks, conspiracy theorists, and other people who don’t read Turkish holding up utterly pedestrian content from online discussion forums as proof of … something.

I know some MeFites like yourself are on the fence, but my colleagues in Turkey are taking the Wikileaks leak of women's personal information very seriously. Maybe people in Turkey are just too close to situation and could benefit from hanging out in the cool detached green of Metafilter instead?
posted by My Dad at 3:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Oh my! This is a come to Jesus speech to republicans
posted by Tarumba at 3:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Love hearing Harry Reid calling out the whole Republican Party for setting the stage for Trump.
posted by airish at 3:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


"You, all right!? I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU"

Oh man, the flashbacks these past couple nights.
posted by rp at 3:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Harry Reid just referenced the fact that Trump is "someone who invited a cyberattack." I wonder how many people on the floor have heard the latest insanity?
posted by Superplin at 3:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Harry Reid: They learned it by watching you!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 4:00 PM on July 27, 2016


A true come to Jesus speech delivered with the energy and vigor of a guy who just woke up from a 10 year coma!
posted by Justinian at 4:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bring out Biden, Obama, and Kaine! (Yes I know its hours and hours away).
posted by Justinian at 4:00 PM on July 27, 2016


Yeah, Trumps AMA is on his sycophantic subreddit, not r/AMA or r/iama or whatever the normal one is. They are gonna delete/ban anyone that isn't kissing his ass.
posted by lkc at 4:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I bet the people on the floor are the nerdy sorts who obsessively check the news on the smartphones.
posted by biogeo at 4:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump gave a very weird press conference today.

And it wasn't only the email thing, it was enough to earn three entries in James Fallows Trump Time Capsule: #58: IRS Audit, #59: 'I Hope Putin Has Hillary's Emails', and #60: Tim Kaine of the Garden State.
posted by peeedro at 4:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Aww at Harry Reid's 'my forever friend, Bernie Sanders.'
posted by palindromic at 4:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I bet the people on the floor are the nerdy sorts who obsessively check the news on the smartphones.

I resemble that remark.
posted by waitingtoderail at 4:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Harry Reid is a tough old bird but he does have an amazingly soft voice. He has a ton of power but you would never guess it from listening to his sweet grandpa voice.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did Trump's subreddit go back and delete every post and comment before today? A lot more reporters are probably going to check it out now. That can't be a good look for him.

Not that it's mattered before. Sigh...
posted by downtohisturtles at 4:03 PM on July 27, 2016


I know some MeFites like yourself are on the fence, but my colleagues in Turkey are taking the Wikileaks leak of women's personal information very seriously. Maybe people in Turkey are just too close to situation and could benefit from hanging out in the cool detached green of Metafilter instead?

That's a quote from an article, not homunculus' comment. Read both that article and the one it's referencing.
posted by zombieflanders at 4:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ugh. Gavin Newsome? Ugh.
posted by lkc at 4:04 PM on July 27, 2016


I love Gavin Newsome and 20 years ago I would have said, presidential material (yeah, I know, the personal skeeze), but today, another white guy? Meh.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:05 PM on July 27, 2016


And it wasn't only the email thing

It was also Trump telling NBC's Katy Tur to "be quiet" because Trump felt she was getting a bit uppity for a female reporter. Oh, and he threatened to "renegotiate" the Geneva Conventions and happily let Putin annex Crimea.
posted by zombieflanders at 4:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


The speech is fine, good, but does he look like the character from American Psycho to anyone else?
posted by gilrain at 4:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




Gavin Newsome: "Conversion therapy is not just pray away the gay - it is emotional torture against our most vulnerable citizens, our children."
posted by palindromic at 4:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


Harry Reid was a boxer in his youth. Who knew?

Oh he's a fighter all right. From his wikipedia page:
Reid served as chairman of the Nevada Gaming Commission from 1977 to 1981. When Jack Gordon, La Toya Jackson's future agent and husband, offered Reid a $12,000 bribe to get approval of new games for casinos, Reid brought in the FBI to tape Gordon's bribery attempt and arrest him. After FBI agents interrupted the transaction, as prearranged, Reid lost his temper and began choking Gordon, saying "You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me!"
posted by peeedro at 4:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [33 favorites]


Gavin Newsom to children watching at home: "When you hear people say you and your family don't matter because of what you look like or who you are or where you live, I want you to know that the people int his room and people all across the country believe that you matter."
posted by zachlipton at 4:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


That was a solid speech from Gavin Newsome.
posted by biogeo at 4:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'll give them this Gavin Newsome spot because he called out emotional torture.
posted by rp at 4:08 PM on July 27, 2016


My congressman! Go, Gallego!
posted by Superplin at 4:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


The only thing that makes me melancholy about the idea of Clinton becoming President is the idea that at some point afterwards you'd end up going back to having some white straight cis man as President and it would seem even more lame by comparison.
posted by howfar at 4:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I look at 538 & the polls and get so, so scared.

"I think anybody who goes into campaigns not running scared can end up losing," Obama advises.
posted by Doktor Zed at 4:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I waded into the Trump AMA. The post went up 40 minutes ago and has 13,000 comments, but Trump hasn't answered anything yet. The top three questions are 2 from Milo Yiannopoulos which I didn't read because fuck that guy, and the third was somebody asking if Trump will legalize weed. #notsatire
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's Gavin Newsom.

I thought I was losing my mind, because I remembered it without the "e" and had to look it up just now.
posted by FJT at 4:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary "Rout 'em" Clinton!

I like Hillary Goddamn Clinton, myself
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 4:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


As in "I'm Hillary Goddamn Clinton and this is the job I was born to do."
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 4:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yeah, Trumps AMA is on his sycophantic subreddit, not r/AMA or r/iama or whatever the normal one is. They are gonna delete/ban anyone that isn't kissing his ass.

Ah, so it's a censorship-filled safe space for the politically correct (in the original sense of the term).
posted by zombieflanders at 4:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


I'm watching the AMA through the overview and we're at 7:13, 13 minutes past the 7 ET return time and not a single AMA question answered.
posted by Talez at 4:13 PM on July 27, 2016


"I'm the Goddamn Rodham"
posted by Captain l'escalier at 4:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's Gavin Newsom.
Thanks, I was on autotype and had one of those moments after posting. Solid speech, and he's charming and good at that stuff. I didn't like him much at the end of his mayoral tenure in SF, and still kinda have that knee-jerk reaction to him. Lt. Gov is a fine position for him, I'm sure.
posted by lkc at 4:13 PM on July 27, 2016



It's Gavin Newsom.

I thought I was losing my mind, because I remembered it without the "e" and had to look it up just now.

Damn it, I knew that but copy-pasted
posted by rp at 4:13 PM on July 27, 2016


And it wasn't only the email thing

It was also Trump telling NBC's Katy Tur to "be quiet" because Trump felt she was getting a bit uppity for a female reporter. Oh, and he threatened to "renegotiate" the Geneva Conventions and happily let Putin annex Crimea.


Not to mention his foreign adviser the mysterious "General Quinn" that no one has ever heard of before. Another imaginary friend to go into the box marked "People who only exist in D. Trump's brain."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


The only thing that makes me melancholy about the idea of Clinton becoming President is the idea that at some point afterwards you'd end up going back to having some white straight cis man as President and it would seem even more lame by comparison.

That's one of the things I'm loving about this convention - it is evidence that the Dems can easily run all sorts of 'firsts' for President for a long, long time.
posted by palindromic at 4:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Seems like they're ramping up to me. This feels like a deliberate management of emotion.

I find I don't mind.
posted by Mooski at 4:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow, Clinton pushed to raise military survivor benefits from $12k to $100k a year? That's amazing.
posted by Superplin at 4:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


No surprise, the top question on the AMA is this one from Milo Yiannopoulos with a homophobic slur badge next to his name.
posted by zachlipton at 4:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


God. Survivor benefits for soldiers KIA were only $12,000. How the hell could anyone have ever OK'ed that?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's lightning. It's thundering. It's pouring down rain. I have a battery-operated laptop and as long as the signal still works, I'm gonna watch. Second night of three that the weather has been a factor. Thank goodness for Twitch's rebroadcast for the parts I miss.

And thank you, Mefites, for the commentary. Yes, it is insightful.
And I look forward to the continuing coverage when President Clinton is in her first year of office. It's like pregnancy -- the work begins with the first day on the job, not before.

Please, don't let passivity or complacency put the wrong man in the Oval Office. Get out and vote.
posted by TrishaU at 4:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


And we have our first answer from the-realDonaldTrump: "Voter fraud is always a serious concern and authorities must be vigilant from keeping those from voting that are not authorized to do so."

Such depth and insight!
posted by zachlipton at 4:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


No surprise, the top question on the AMA is this one from Milo Yiannopoulos with a homophobic slur badge next to his name

It's already been deleted
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:17 PM on July 27, 2016


"This is a woman I have never meant, who's life could not be more different from my own. Yet she has stood with me again and again." A damn powerful message; what all of us hope for from our politicians.
posted by gilrain at 4:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Curious, how many of you are in swing states? I'm in MA now and used to be in NY, so I've no idea what it's like to live in a swing state.
posted by peacheater at 4:18 PM on July 27, 2016


God. Survivor benefits for soldiers KIA were only $12,000. How the hell could anyone have ever OK'ed that?

Like the minimum wage, because it was probably like that for a long period of time. Increasing any benefit is a massive shitfight in Congress little alone indexation of giving out free cash!
posted by Talez at 4:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Arizona is a swing state this year. so that would be me.
posted by Superplin at 4:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


313 represent represent
posted by rp at 4:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I just got my first rally invite from Reps. John Conyers, Brenda Lawrence and Jim Clyburn in Detroit on Friday.

And now, Detroit's mayor to make my comment seem relevant.
posted by palindromic at 4:20 PM on July 27, 2016


"Voter fraud is always a serious concern and authorities must be vigilant from keeping those from voting that are not authorized to do so."

That already doesn't even sound like Trump typing off his cuff. It's all gonna be canned, polished answers.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 4:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm in VA, the swing commonwealth.
posted by peeedro at 4:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


lol wow. Major cleanup in the AMA. All the 24-point MAGA stuff, BASED MILO, etc comments are gone. Looks very neat and tidy now. I'm sure smarter observers than I screencapped some of the chaos before the mods got to work
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


*Raises hand* I'm in Colorado.
posted by mynameisluka at 4:20 PM on July 27, 2016


It's already been deleted

Wow. It had 4127 points when I saw it. Here's a screenshot since I had the tab open.
posted by zachlipton at 4:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I live in NY and have canvassed in PA many, many times. I've grown very fond of PA, but I do feel sorry for those people - they get people coming around to bother them every weekend from labor day to election day. They tell me they're used to it though, and honestly most of the are pretty good-natured about it.
posted by maggiemaggie at 4:21 PM on July 27, 2016


Is PA still a swing state? I guess so. Mostly we get a lot of ads. (Philadelphia is blue as blue can be, so we don't get tons of specialized attention.)

Hah, funny story -- in 2008 I gathered with a couple other Mefites in London to watch the election returns. Every single American in the room was from a swing state, it was delightful.
posted by kalimac at 4:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan: "But unlike Donald Trump, Detroit is only going to do bankruptcy once."
posted by palindromic at 4:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'm in VA, Richmond so lots of Democrats, but Republicans at work are open about not voting for Trump or outright voting for Hillary. I feel like Kaine made them more comfortable with that idea.

Less populated counties are a different story. Trump signs everywhere.
posted by Tarumba at 4:22 PM on July 27, 2016


so I've no idea what it's like to live in a swing state.

Just from secondhand info from friends in VA: you get bombarded constantly with ads from both sides. constant roto calls and door-to-door canvassing, gently or aggressively nudging you to go vote and to vote for their candidates; those are more often about downticket than for the presidency.
posted by numaner at 4:22 PM on July 27, 2016


Curious, how many of you are in swing states? I'm in MA now and used to be in NY, so I've no idea what it's like to live in a swing state.

So. Many. Political ads. By October, there will be almost nothing but political ads on TV. And you don't even have to live in a swing state, either. For instance, even though DC and Maryland are solid blue, their TV audience markets include Northern Virginia.
posted by zombieflanders at 4:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm in GA. I think this year we have a chance to make it swing.
posted by biogeo at 4:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Slight program change: Joseph Gordon-Levitt will be playing the role of Martin O'Malley in tonights production.
posted by birdheist at 4:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ohio, baby. Living in a swing state is...stressful for me.
posted by cooker girl at 4:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Martin O'Malley following a video of Donald Trump saying, "I love war!"
posted by Sophie1 at 4:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here's a screenshot since I had the tab open.

Is it horrible that I think it's actually a decent question, taken at face value and ignoring the context of the source?
posted by infinitywaltz at 4:24 PM on July 27, 2016


PA is officially a swing state, although they've voted Dem for president in every election since 2004.
posted by maggiemaggie at 4:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm in Hawaii. The only way we're likely yo be swinging is between Clinton and Stein (because our busters are confident they can vote whatever and not impact the election).
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:25 PM on July 27, 2016


Why is Martin O'Malley so bad at talking?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm in Virginia, just outside Richmond...tons of tRump signs out here, but I salve my nerves with the fact that in 2008, Virginia went blue (and yes, I cried).
posted by PlantGoddess at 4:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


NC here. I live outside Raleigh so until our community was gerrymandered to hell I was always represented by a Democrat. Charlotte and Raleigh are always Blue but NC is a lot of rural farmland and old textile and furniture factory towns. No big surprise the places outside the big cities are red as hell. We went Blue for Obama but then Red for his reelection. It's a bit shaming to tell you the truth especially since I'm a native of California and as liberal as they come. I think we are in play this time around but I'm afraid all of those factory workers out of work will think Trump can save them.

Also at the moment we have a Republican Governor, House, and Senate which is the first time that happened in something like 100 years. Which is why that shitty bathroom bill got through.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


This O'Malley is perky. I live in a cave, I have never seen most of these people. I like them.
posted by Oyéah at 4:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


O'Malley: "Donald Trump's opinion of himself? That's waaaaay too high."
posted by biogeo at 4:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Here's a screenshot since I had the tab open

Damn it. I would've really liked to see a response. A No on Net Neutrality mighta driven away a few of the alt-right self-styled-technomancers.
posted by Greg Nog at 4:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


ooo. BURN.
posted by Mooski at 4:27 PM on July 27, 2016


SCIENCE
posted by biogeo at 4:27 PM on July 27, 2016


(repeat as necessary through the evening)
posted by Mooski at 4:27 PM on July 27, 2016


PA is officially a swing state, although they've voted in a Dem for president in every election since 2004.

PA has gone D in every election since 1988.
posted by chris24 at 4:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


538 does a few different forecasts; the polls-plus one (where they fudge the numbers the most) had Clinton around 70% before the conventions, and it's down to 60% now. Clinton loses NH, FL, OH, and NC but still gets 287. The "current" scenario has Clinton also losing PA, IA, and NV to tip the election to Trump. If even one of PA, OH, NC, or FL stays in the D column, he loses.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 4:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is Martin O'Malley so bad at talking?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:25 PM on July 27 [+] [!]


Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?! I will cut you!! That's my MAN! He is MAH GUY!
posted by ramix at 4:28 PM on July 27, 2016


Is it horrible that I think it's actually a decent question, taken at face value and ignoring the context of the source?

Not at all. Asking him about Net Neutrality seems like a good idea. And it was the top question when I opened the tab. Which makes it all the more crazy that it was deleted.
posted by zachlipton at 4:28 PM on July 27, 2016


OH SNAP
posted by biogeo at 4:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ha! Martin O'Malley said that the Chinese would invent Donald Trump if they wanted to build a menace to our country.
posted by Superplin at 4:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm in VA, Richmond so lots of Democrats, but Republicans at work are open about not voting for Trump or outright voting for Hillary.

Ah yeah Richmond is pretty blue. NoVa has a lot of Republicans, mostly the well-to-do gov't contractors who don't want their tax rates to go up (and because they're in neighborhoods that are mostly insulated from social divisions, they care less about social issues), I'm friends with a few and they talk more about tax than anyone I know, another reason why they migrated from MD or DC to VA, the lower property and income tax.

For instance, even though DC and Maryland are solid blue, their TV audience markets include Northern Virginia.

Haha yeah I see those too! It's so weird to see those ads here, like they're hoping I have VA friends visiting or something.

Less populated counties are a different story. Trump signs everywhere.

I feel like this is true everywhere. Northern MD, around Cumberland, and out east, the drive-through area on the way to the beach, they're everywhere there too.
posted by numaner at 4:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know some MeFites like yourself are on the fence, but my colleagues in Turkey are taking the Wikileaks leak of women's personal information very seriously.

My Dad: That was a quote. The author was criticizing Western journalists who accepted Wikileaks's framing without investigating the content first. I'm not on the fence, I think what Wikileaks's did was shitty and dangerous.
posted by homunculus at 4:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


At least I'm in MA this time. I can go door knocking in NH.
posted by Talez at 4:29 PM on July 27, 2016


Damn!!!!!
posted by mothershock at 4:29 PM on July 27, 2016


And we have our first answer from the-realDonaldTrump: "Voter fraud is always a serious concern and authorities must be vigilant from keeping those from voting that are not authorized to do so."

Such depth and insight!


He edited it to add:

"2 - Honestly I think NASA is wonderful! America has always led the world in space exploration."

Wow, way to take a stand there.
posted by bluecore at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


What was that Martin O'Malley just did for the camera as he walked off?
posted by zachlipton at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Man, this O'Malley guy should run for president some day.
posted by biogeo at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


#swoon

OMalley I LOOOOVE YOUUUUU!!
posted by ramix at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It's time to put a bully racist in his place....and a tough woman in hers! The White House!" - Martin O'Malley!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


A wee jig.
posted by palindromic at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Martin O’Malley's blue tie is very pretty-- it matches the background. Also I love the look of white dress shirt, sleeves rolled up but still wearing a tie. He looks serious but ready to get down to work.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sigourney Weaver time! Is Susan Sarandon still in the audience, looking glum?
posted by acidic at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The symbol of America is not a barbed-wire fence it's the goddamn Statue of Liberty."

(*possibly not 100% direct-quote)
posted by rp at 4:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Why is Martin O'Malley so bad at talking?

Disagree, I liked his The Rent is Too Damn High speech.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 4:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


PA has gone D in every election since 1988.

Good to know! I've only been paying attention since 2004. ;)
posted by maggiemaggie at 4:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm surprised O'Malley used "ISIS" and not "ISIL". I guess only Obama and his crew has made the jump? I'm trying to decide between "ISIL" and "Daesh" myself, because I sympathize for all the women named Isis.
posted by numaner at 4:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


But wasn't Ripley's stance on aliens rather unforgiving.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 4:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


I was hoping O'Malley would start talking about how chaos is a ladder.
posted by drezdn at 4:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


After 3 days, are we finally out of Maryland Democrats?
posted by dw at 4:34 PM on July 27, 2016


For a lot of Americans, Sigourney Weaver is the voice of the Planet Earth documentaries, so there's something subliminal about her talking climate change here.
posted by palindromic at 4:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Principles Before Party
posted by cooker girl at 4:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hairy Lobster: But wasn't Ripley's stance on aliens rather unforgiving.

Those aliens were pro-global warming, that's why they nested in the hot reactor complex!
posted by bluecore at 4:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]




Martin O’Malley's blue tie is very pretty-- it matches the background.

The way they've controlled the color of the backdrop has been seriously impressive. I was kinda blown away earlier when it was gold. The production of all this has just been staggering.
posted by rp at 4:35 PM on July 27, 2016


Was that... Arnold?
posted by palindromic at 4:35 PM on July 27, 2016


The Climate Change Video is a bit jarring. It is the first time the DNC has reached the TERROR! FEAR! RED ALERT! level of the RNC. It's a bit uncomfortable to watch -- which might be necessary but I think it detracts a bit from the warm fuzzies they have been trying to project.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:36 PM on July 27, 2016


HW and Pope Francis! Nice :)
posted by kalimac at 4:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was that... Arnold?

Yup: Arnold Schwarzenegger will appear at the Democratic National Convention (in the film)
posted by homunculus at 4:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Depressing scary video about global warming
posted by Tarumba at 4:37 PM on July 27, 2016


I gather that Obama's speech will primarily be about firing up the Fear of Trump, so I don't think we're going to get any less angsty as the evening goes on.
posted by Superplin at 4:38 PM on July 27, 2016


Just once, I'd like someone to face challenges from behind and slightly below, instead of head-on.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 4:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


It's getting to the fluffy part with renewable energy sources.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:38 PM on July 27, 2016


The only thing that makes me melancholy about the idea of Clinton becoming President is the idea that at some point afterwards you'd end up going back to having some white straight cis man as President and it would seem even more lame by comparison.

Every kid eight and under is about to see their first white president. Inshallah they won't see a straight white dude until they're 16.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


Moonbeam!
posted by homunculus at 4:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


SHE DIDN'T ANNOUNCE THE MARINE LIFE INSTITUTE! I'M SO DISAPPOINTED.
posted by numaner at 4:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Unfortunately climate change will provide more warm fuzzies than anyone can handle.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 4:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


It needs saying, though. It was a little jarring to hear O'Malley say climate change was "the largest jobs opportunity in 100 years." I mean, yes...but maybe it should be "fighting climate change" instead, Martin.
posted by emjaybee at 4:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


The youngest and oldest governor of California.
posted by lkc at 4:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


That video brought some of the gloom and doom of last week back. I was starting to feel good about things again.
posted by zachlipton at 4:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


My gov!
posted by jamaro at 4:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


What are they chanting over Jerry Brown?
posted by Superplin at 4:39 PM on July 27, 2016


For a lot of Americans, Sigourney Weaver is the voice of the Planet Earth documentaries, so there's something subliminal about her talking climate change here.

Seems like they're being really smart about this stuff in terms of trying to peel off fence-sitters - by having Sigourney Weaver they avoid trigger some of the animosity surrounding Al Gore. By having Star Jones intro the piece on Flint, they avoid the animosity surrounding Michael Moore.
posted by bluecore at 4:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh, what are they chanting at Jerry Brown?
posted by dw at 4:40 PM on July 27, 2016


What are they chanting? What would be good??
posted by Sweetdefenestration at 4:40 PM on July 27, 2016


Not at all. Asking him about Net Neutrality seems like a good idea. And it was the top question when I opened the tab. Which makes it all the more crazy that it was deleted.

Milo getting himself deleted for sounding too much like a tech journalist is kind of ironic.
posted by Artw at 4:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


The crowd won't stop chanting Jerry Brown's name: "that sounds good, but I've only got five minutes here."
posted by zachlipton at 4:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


That video brought some of the gloom and doom of last week back. I was starting to feel good about things again.

Yes but this threat is real not existential and requires actual action to fix or at least mitigate until we can.
posted by Talez at 4:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Unlike the stories the Republicans were trying to spin last week, climate change is something we really should be afraid of. But we can do something about it.
posted by biogeo at 4:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


What are they chanting over Jerry Brown?

Never make the mistake of believing either side is immune to mob think.
posted by Mooski at 4:41 PM on July 27, 2016


What were the cheers?

Also please US finally accept what the rest of the developed world has accepted since the 90s and stop debating whether climate change exists.
posted by Tarumba at 4:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jerry Brown! He was Governor of California when I graduated from High School in 1975. I love that you guys voted him in again. He looks good for 78, amazingly, Hollywood good.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love Gavin Newsome and 20 years ago I would have said, presidential material (yeah, I know, the personal skeeze), but today, another white guy? Meh.

Whoa wtf I've lived in Norcal my whole life but reading this comment I seriously thought "isn't Gavin Newsom black?" until I looked him up. Presumably I was confusing him with Willie Brown but I think I've been under that misapprehension for a weirdly long time.
posted by atoxyl at 4:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah, pretty happy with him over here in California.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 4:43 PM on July 27, 2016


If we ever have to cast an actor for this scene to play Jerry Brown, make sure Jeffrey Tambor is available.
posted by argybarg at 4:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Everyone has looked amazing. There is some sort of makeup superstar backstage, apparently. And a fantastic lighting team, somewhere.
posted by gilrain at 4:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think tonight is going to be the scare 'em night. The first night was healing the rift, the second night was setting the record straight. Tonight is focusing on the challenges (including Trump) and then tomorrow is how they intend to solve them. It makes perfect sense for a meta-narrative.
posted by gofargogo at 4:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Also please US finally accept what the rest of the developed world has accepted since the 90s and stop debating whether climate change exists.

Poll: 70 percent believe in climate change
posted by ActingTheGoat at 4:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think they were just chanting "Jerry!" over him. He did mention it sounded good before insisting he begin his talk.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 4:44 PM on July 27, 2016


They were chanting ban fracking now apparently (people are pretty upset at Brown over that issue).
posted by zachlipton at 4:44 PM on July 27, 2016


Never make the mistake of believing either side is immune to mob think.

That is a really unwieldy chant.
posted by contraption at 4:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [31 favorites]


If we ever have to cast an actor for this scene to play Jerry Brown, make sure Jeffrey Tambor is available.

And now, the story of a wealthy state who lost everything, and the one son of a governor who had no choice but to keep it all together.

It's Arrested California.
posted by dw at 4:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Also please US finally accept what the rest of the developed world has accepted since the 90s and stop debating whether climate change exists.
Hey, don't forget Australia! We're proudly backwards on this one too!
posted by une_heure_pleine at 4:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Presumably I was confusing him with Willie Brown but I think I've been under that misapprehension for a weirdly long time.

Willie Brown is the one wearing the hat.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 4:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Survivor benefits for soldiers KIA were only $12,000. How the hell could anyone have ever OK'ed that?

"Support the troops!"
Note: does not include actual support.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Checking in with Donald on Reddit, we've gotten six vapid sentences out of him in 30 minutes, but we did get this answer to another Milo question, so apparently Milo is allowed to ask stuff, just not anything Donald might have to think about like net neutrality.
posted by zachlipton at 4:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


That is a really unwieldy chant.

*snort*

Yeah, I swear I thought the original question was 'Why' not 'What.'

My bad.
posted by Mooski at 4:46 PM on July 27, 2016


538 does a few different forecasts

And the "nowcast" is the one you should completely ignore, because until November the election ain't now.
posted by holgate at 4:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Just once, I'd like someone to face challenges from behind and slightly below, instead of head-on.

For real! When will we face our challenges with a brutal flanking manuever, opposite our challenges' shield arms?
posted by EatTheWeak at 4:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


There was a comment by a mod saying they were only allowing mods to have one question, and unsurprisingly Milo is a mod there. So they deleted all but one of this questions.
posted by thefoxgod at 4:47 PM on July 27, 2016


Oh wow, this is really good.
posted by gilrain at 4:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow that's like a Wolf Blitzer level softball there.
posted by Artw at 4:47 PM on July 27, 2016


alright I should get out of work before they turn off the lights and if I wanna get home in time for primetime speakers! keep at it MeFites I'm going to read all this on the train!
posted by numaner at 4:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


what if Donald just has gotten tired of all this
oooohhhhhhh
posted by angrycat at 4:47 PM on July 27, 2016


Just an update on the Trump AMA, he's made about 4 replies, redditors ha e spent about $300 on internet gold for him, and something or rather happened to cause the thread to fall off of the first page which has that group of redditors screaming censorship and throwing poop around.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 4:48 PM on July 27, 2016


Lee Daniels is rocking my world.
posted by Superplin at 4:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am loving how relentlessly they are hitting so many actual, on the ground, domestic issues that Hillary has actually THOUGHT about, compared to Trump's acceptance speech which was all hand-wavey, scary Muslims -- even his pathetic attempt to "include" the Pulse shooting.
posted by nakedmolerats at 4:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Lee Daniels lays it ALL down. Totally from the depths of his soul.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


oh god. all of the tears time.
posted by acidic at 4:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Christ this hurts to hear.
posted by Mooski at 4:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh no the waterworkssss
posted by Tarumba at 4:49 PM on July 27, 2016


.
posted by Dalby at 4:49 PM on July 27, 2016


The crowd got quiet fast.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 4:50 PM on July 27, 2016


redditors ha e spent about $300 on internet gold for him

This is perfect. Reddit Gold's benefits are all power-user stuff that don't really matter to anybody who's not an obsessive redditor. So this is literally the most useless campaign donation they could have given him.
posted by tobascodagama at 4:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


It is so dissonant to hear about this clownish AMA during these powerful moments at the DNC. I really wish we could separate this, somehow.
posted by gilrain at 4:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Okay, item to get off my chest number 1:

538's models are pissing me off this year. It seems like their methodology is "take Hillary's polls, subtract 5 from them, then report that as the model for the final prediction". I'm sure there's a high-flown reason for this, but on the face of it, it really looks arbitrary and stupid. Nobody else is doing that, Nate, and when November comes around, you're gonna have some explaining to do.
posted by gimonca at 4:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


And now Christine Leinonen has pretty much shut down the Bernie crowd. You could literally hear the shushing.

This is so hard to watch. I admire her bravery.
posted by dw at 4:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


She is extraordinary. Her pain is so fresh, and she can still share it with us.
posted by kalimac at 4:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh man! I cant watch this. My heart hurts.
posted by ramix at 4:51 PM on July 27, 2016


Poor lady I think it's a little too soon but I see why she would want to be there. It just must be so terrible.
posted by Tarumba at 4:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


"One minute for a gun to fire so many shots. Five minutes for a bell to toll so many times."
posted by gilrain at 4:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


Willie Brown is the one wearing the hat.
When I lived in San Francisco, Mayor Brown used to shop at the hat store on the block kitty-corner to the block my apartment was on. One day I was rushing to catch a bus and almost decked him on the sidewalk.

posted by kirkaracha at 4:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Having her son's friends literally supporting her is beautiful.
posted by zachlipton at 4:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


"It takes 5 minutes for a church bell to ring 49 times." "The gun that killed my son fires 30 shots a minute" Jesus, I cannot believe the bravery of this woman.
posted by ashirys at 4:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [29 favorites]


I'm glad she had friends on stage to hold her together.
posted by emjaybee at 4:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


cheer for Chris Murphy, you heathens!
posted by acidic at 4:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Beautiful speech by Christine Leinonen, mother of Christopher "Drew" Leinonen, who was murdered at the Pulse nightclub. Seemingly every crowd shot includes people giving a standing ovation.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 4:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


People are legit crying in the audience
posted by Tarumba at 4:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jesus, you could hear her sobbing in that group hug. Oof.
posted by zombieflanders at 4:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary is clearly in the pocket of Big Kleenex.
posted by uosuaq at 4:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [48 favorites]


Plus a shot of Lance Bass!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 4:54 PM on July 27, 2016


It's not dusty; I'm just crying. Damn.

'When I gave birth to my son, while I was in the hospital, they took my service gun and locked it up -- because they understood common-sense gun safety...where was that common-sense thinking the day he was shot'? [Paraphrased]
posted by cjelli at 4:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Item to get off my chest number 2:

Not only is Pennsylvania not a swing state, but there's a vicious toxic undertow in the narrative around it supposedly being one. Some reporter finds a disgruntled coal miner in the middle of nowhere who says he's voting for Trump, figures they've found the "Real America", then reports the guy's beery opinions as a statewide trend, because one angry white guy in the boondocks has an opinion with ten times more value than anybody in Philadelphia. It's a stupid narrative, and it needs to stop.
posted by gimonca at 4:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


just not anything Donald might have to think about...

To which his boilerplate answer is always "we're going to be looking into that."
posted by zakur at 4:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


538's models are pissing me off this year. It seems like their methodology is "take Hillary's polls, subtract 5 from them, then report that as the model for the final prediction". I'm sure there's a high-flown reason for this, but on the face of it, it really looks arbitrary and stupid. Nobody else is doing that, Nate, and when November comes around, you're gonna have some explaining to do.

A few elections ago when Silver nailed it and everyone else whiffed he was the golden boy.
Last few elections he's been darn accurate as well but now he's not the only one to apply the methodologies that he used.
I have a sneaky suspicion that the numbers are being fudged a bit to create a clickbait narrative for the next few months, increase pageviews, then regress to the mean (in this case, Hillary winning) by the time the election rolls around.

Nobody remembers in November what was predicted in July.
posted by splen at 4:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Link to the twitch feed
posted by Shutter at 4:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is a good speech.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 4:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


That was compelling.
What am I supposed to text to where, again? I was listening while cooking and missed the details.
posted by Superplin at 4:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


because one angry white guy in the boondocks has an opinion with ten times more value than anybody in Philadelphia. It's a stupid narrative, and it needs to stop.

Fuck yeah. The belief that "working class" inevitably means "looks a bit like Mike Ditka" needs to go the fuck away soon.
posted by holgate at 4:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Christine Leinonen's speech is already on YouTube. That was powerful.
posted by kanewai at 4:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Nate Silver was obviously spooked by his failure to call Trump correctly, and it is affecting his decision-making and reporting this election. I think he is taking a more conservative (in the statistical sense) approach to analysis - he would rather be in danger of overestimating Trump's chances than underestimating Hillary's so as to not repeat his mistakes from the primary.
posted by palindromic at 4:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Sam Wang at Princeton is, and has been, better than Nate and 538.
posted by chris24 at 5:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh Wow. Michael Bloomberg is now on the schedule for tonight.
posted by monopas at 5:00 PM on July 27, 2016


Not only is Pennsylvania not a swing state, but there's a vicious toxic undertow in the narrative around it supposedly being one. Some reporter finds a disgruntled coal miner in the middle of nowhere who says he's voting for Trump, figures they've found the "Real America", then reports the guy's beery opinions as a statewide trend, because one angry white guy in the boondocks has an opinion with ten times more value than anybody in Philadelphia. It's a stupid narrative, and it needs to stop.

If PA is going to be blue regardless and the GOP spends gobs and gobs of money on a fools errand, then I'm fine with the mistake propagating.
posted by Slackermagee at 5:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I don't think there's any reason to accuse Silver of deliberately manipulating models for clicks. I think it's quite possible he's overreacted, in terms of adjusting his model, to doing so badly with Trump in the primaries, though.
posted by tavella at 5:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Not only is Pennsylvania not a swing state, but there's a vicious toxic undertow in the narrative around it supposedly being one.

The polling always shows it being weakly Democratic. The rural areas are conservative but there are less people there, so...
posted by maggiemaggie at 5:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


palindromic: Nate Silver was obviously spooked by his failure to call Trump correctly, and it is affecting his decision-making and reporting this election. I think he is taking a more conservative (in the statistical sense) approach to analysis - he would rather be in danger of overestimating Trump's chances than underestimating Hillary's so as to not repeat his mistakes from the primary.

I agree. I also agree with chris24 that Sam Wang has the most reliable model. It soothes me daily.
posted by Superplin at 5:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Christine Leinonen, a Michigan State trooper, is the loving mother of Drew, a biracial gay man whose grandparents met in an internment camp. Drew's partner, Juan, was Latino and both were killed in Orlando. She came up on that stage with two gay men aND was power embodied.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [38 favorites]


For the love of god, Hillary, please live up to this support.
posted by Mooski at 5:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [36 favorites]


538 showing Trump carrying Florida seems a bit odd to me, how likely is that?
posted by Artw at 5:02 PM on July 27, 2016


Doesn't Silver admit that the polls are pretty much useless from May to August?
posted by klarck at 5:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not only is Pennsylvania not a swing state, but there's a vicious toxic undertow in the narrative around it supposedly being one.

I don't mean to be replying to just your comments, sorry :)

Pennsylvania is a swing state if you define a swing state as being within the MOE, let's say 4% points. Hillary will take it, I'm pretty darn sure, but it's going to be closer than people thing. The big red T isn't getting any smaller and Trump plays well in Scranton and Allentown. The whole McGinty v. Toomey sludge war isn't exactly motivating anyone to run to the polls.

I'm tired of the coal miner narrative as well, but stereotypes are stereotypes. Every Philadelphian eats 2 cheesesteaks a day, Pittsburgh is perpetually covered in smog and everyone works in the steel mill, etc.
posted by splen at 5:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


So we've been talking about how well run this convention has been: the lighting, the podium, the backdrop, the videos, the make up, etc. I was wondering if that was all on DWS? As (former) chairwoman of the DNC was the organization of the event part of her remit? If so, then I feel especially sad for her that she got booted right before it kicked off. I wonder where she is and if she is watching it on her laptop?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


There is a second Twitch thing that appears to have a much more heavily moderated chat, YMMV.
posted by ethansr at 5:02 PM on July 27, 2016


"My mom didn't die. She was murdered."
"I would give every day I have left for one more day with my mom."

This is amazing.
posted by rp at 5:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I don't want to be here."

This is hard, but so important. Sandy Hook was a tragedy, our inability to pass sensible gun legislation in its wake is another tragedy.
posted by Superplin at 5:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Superplin I believe it's text Laws to 47246.
posted by persephone's rant at 5:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Not only is Pennsylvania not a swing state, but there's a vicious toxic undertow in the narrative around it supposedly being one.

According to Nate Silver, Pennsylvania is the state in which Clinton currently has the slimmest lead (namely, 0.9%). By any reasonable metric, it is a swing state. But you are correct in observing that most political reporting is based on anecdotes, and is entirely without merit.
posted by Abelian Grape at 5:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Feels train is not going to stop anywhere to let me off, tonight.
posted by ftm at 5:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I would give every single day that I have left, for one more day with my mom."

.
posted by gilrain at 5:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Thanks, Persephone's Rant!
posted by Superplin at 5:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Shit I just remembered all those idiots who think Sandy hook was a hoax and I'm really angry
posted by Tarumba at 5:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Fuck. I have a six year old daughter who is starting 1st grade in two weeks. This. THIS is the one that's breaking me.
posted by jammer at 5:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think there's any reason to accuse Silver of deliberately manipulating models for clicks. I think it's quite possible he's overreacted, in terms of adjusting his model, to doing so badly with Trump in the primaries, though.

Yeah, that's a sensible take. Silver's reputation is based entirely on his accuracy, so throwing that away on clickbait would definitely damage his brand in the long-term.

Doesn't Silver admit that the polls are pretty much useless from May to August?

On the other hand, this. He actually had a big post about how polls right around the conventions are not very predictive. So the fact that he's still publishing Nowcasts during the convention season is a bit inconsistent with someone who's solely interested in predicting the final election results.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm out from watching for a while. I lose all ability to respond rationally during Sandy Hook talk. I'll keep following the blue.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


DWS is currently residing in the Where Are They Now? file.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wikileaks just dropped voicemail messages.
posted by Talez at 5:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


But only a little. I don't think he's compromised himself in search of clicks or anything. Just to be clear.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Voter fraud is always a serious concern and authorities must be vigilant from keeping those from voting that are not authorized to do so."

That already doesn't even sound like Trump typing off his cuff. It's all gonna be canned, polished answers.


Which is weird because that sentence is kind of clunky (vigilant from?) and given the nature of the forum, he's could pretty much reply "I think we should round up all the Jews....I mean Muslims! I meant Muslims. The United States can no longer afford to suffer the characteristic beside the owing headache. Beneath our frozen attack dances an embarrassing author. The reminder connects the elitist. Gliberschnortz! "Lkladgjasknihq03lsg::::mkmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..." and they'll love him for it.

The rest of the interwebs, who get how an AMA is supposed to work, is going to roll their eyes at the sad affair and it's mostly going to be invisible to non-netizens. This seems like doing a lot of work to get a think you're already going to get.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have a sneaky suspicion that the numbers are being fudged a bit to create a clickbait narrative for the next few months, increase pageviews, then regress to the mean (in this case, Hillary winning) by the time the election rolls around.

Or, Trump got a convention bounce, like most candidates do, and so 538's model reflects that? There's been several national polls out in the past few days which show a dead heat or Trump in the lead. Romney led at this point in 2012 as well.

Seems a bit early to go all "we must unskew the polls". It would be nice if that Mussolini-manqué act he put on last week actually dragged Trump down, but being a mad bully has helped, not hurt, him so far. If Hilary, as most pols do, also gets a convention bounce, then we should see her pull back ahead. That's pretty much what you'd expect. And that's what Silver has been saying about his model, aslo, ever since he released it a few weeks ago--- it bounces around a lot until after the conventions after which the picture becomes clearer.
posted by maggiepolitt at 5:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


So we've been talking about how well run this convention has been: the lighting, the podium, the backdrop, the videos, the make up, etc. I was wondering if that was all on DWS?

Somebody in the last thread shouted out the actual convention organiser's name, but I can't remember it for the life of me right now. DWS surely hired her, but it wasn't DWS herself.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


The speeches of Christine Leinonen and Erica Smigielski should be mandatory viewing for every single legislator who opposes gun control.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 5:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]


I have a sneaky suspicion that the numbers are being fudged a bit to create a clickbait narrative for the next few months, increase pageviews, then regress to the mean

I'm not going to play unskewerererer. I also don't think there's a fudge. What rankles is Silver's willingness to court traffic for the nowcast when he's made clear that summer polling is noisy and messy and historically less predictive than spring polling. His argument for putting his thumb on the scale is that the 2014 polls were biased +D, but there's still not the volume nor breadth of state-level polling to feed into the number cruncher.

In short, I don't mind 538 living and dying by its methodology right through campaign season. I'm just not going to pay attention till September.
posted by holgate at 5:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


The CEO of the convention is Rev. Daughtry i believe.
posted by ramix at 5:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




I don't think there's any reason to accuse Silver of deliberately manipulating models for clicks. I think it's quite possible he's overreacted, in terms of adjusting his model, to doing so badly with Trump in the primaries, though.

He said himself that the problem wasn't his data, it was his inability to believe it.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


So we've been talking about how well run this convention has been: the lighting, the podium, the backdrop, the videos, the make up, etc. I was wondering if that was all on DWS? As (former) chairwoman of the DNC was the organization of the event part of her remit?

It's Rev. Leah Daughtry who also ran the Dem convention in '08 which was also an amazing production.
posted by billyfleetwood at 5:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


everybody had matching towels, I give you all my favorites.
posted by persephone's rant at 5:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




> "Not only is Pennsylvania not a swing state ..."

I really wouldn't be 100% sure about that this year. Things change. Princeton Election Consortium has it as likelier to go Dem than not, but nonetheless rates it as swingier than North Carolina right now (although less swingy than Florida, Iowa, or Nevada). Electoral-Vote.com ranks it as "barely Democratic", just above a tie in the polling. Even if there's been a convention bounce for the Republicans, I don't think PA can be taken for granted this year.
posted by kyrademon at 5:10 PM on July 27, 2016


My impression from my sister is that the convention team is fairly isolated from the DNC as a whole. I.e., the DNC picks the CEO and top level team and then it's basically its own thing. So they picked competent people but aren't directly responsible for their results. That's the logistics and production, though -- who gets picked to speak is much more of a Democratic party thing, I suspect.
posted by tavella at 5:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I still can't believe that Angela Bassett is 57.
posted by Talez at 5:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Give Angela Bassett a leading role in an epic space opera, and I will give you all my money.
posted by palindromic at 5:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Re:convention production values, I'm flashing back to the fundraising troubles the RNC was having, in finding donors and corporate sponsors willing to spend money to back a Trump convention, and wondering what impact (if any) that ended up having on production values on the the RNC side of things.
posted by cjelli at 5:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Give Angela Bassett a leading role in an epic space opera, and I will give you all my money.

She's featured heavily in season 3 of Bojack Horseman.
posted by Talez at 5:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


After binging through Bojack hearing Angela Bassett being even more deadly serious IRL is something.
posted by lkc at 5:12 PM on July 27, 2016


So let me get this straight, Wikileaks has had the data for a while and yet so conveniently manages to schedule releases at the optimal time to try and hurt the DNC? Yup that's some impartial shit right there /eyeroll
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Angela Bassett can fuggin SPEAK.
posted by Mooski at 5:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Man this convention has had me just crying and crying. I guess that's good? It's better than foaming at the mouth, I guess.
posted by dis_integration at 5:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




"Swing state" vs. "not a swing state" isn't a binary question. Some states are very "swing-y" some not-at-all "swingy", and some are in between. There is also the ticket-splitting effect where some states are reliably red for President but blue or purple for other statewide offices (or vice versa) that makes this false dichotomy even more problematic when it comes to these conversations. Furthermore, there are issues that resonate in some states that can at a moment's notice overturn everything we think we know about how red or blue a state is.

All of these factors are in play in Pennsylvania. Yes, we've gone blue for President since Clinton 42, but all the while it's tended to have one each of D and R Senators, and has flipped back and forth between Democratic and Republican governors. Furthermore, the "Pennsyltucky" factor confounds simple analysis of how Presidential campaigns will resonate here. It's perhaps the most pro-gun blue state, it's a very old state demographically (the oldest behind Florida maybe?) and there's a "Reagan Democrat" streak with respect to tight budgetary policy, loving tax cuts, etc.

I think these factors help explain some of (but not all) of the appeal of Trump, and why the margin is so tight here. So, no, describing PA as a swing state isn't "stupid" at all. I mean, yes, if you have to force it into a binary choice, maybe it's likely to stay blue for President (especially after the convention bounce and eventually the debates). But once you look at the question with any level of nuance, I think it's very accurate to describe it as "swingy."
posted by tonycpsu at 5:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


So let me get this straight, Wikileaks has had the data for a while and yet so conveniently manages to schedule releases at the optimal time to try and hurt the DNC? Yup that's some impartial shit right there /eyeroll

Oh I'm sure they were just taking the time to carefully go through all the data and responsibly redact personal information, credit card numbers, etc... /yeahright
posted by zachlipton at 5:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


So let me get this straight, Wikileaks has had the data for a while and yet so conveniently manages to schedule releases at the optimal time to try and hurt the DNC? Yup that's some impartial shit right there /eyeroll


According to the NYT, they've had them for six weeks and didn't release them.

All a sudden the Bernie supporters are so pissed.
posted by dw at 5:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wow, all that, and then Gabby Giffords. Whoever lined this up is like no, you are going to freaking get the message about gun violence this time.
posted by cashman at 5:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Georgia is a swing state this year. It's been great to see us represented by some of our very best at the DNC: US Rep John Lewis (national hero and treasure), GA Rep Stacey Abrams (I got to see her interview Ta-Nehisi Coates at his book signing here last year--she is amazing!), former GA Sen (and hopefully future governor and obviously the Great Man's grandson) Jason Carter, GA Rep Park Cannon (the amazing queer woman who spoke a few minutes ago), and I believe later tonight, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed. Looking forward to turning this state so blue that the good ole boys won't know what happened.
posted by hydropsyche at 5:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]




I also don't think there's a fudge.

Nate's very clear on what he's doing with the numbers, showing the specific adjustments he's making for "likely voters", third party effects, and what he calls a "trend line", which is pure fudge. Here's Florida's:

Adjust for trend line -1.1 (Clinton) +1.6 (Trump) +0.1 (Johnson)

Three weeks ago he had Clinton at over 60%, then nosediving July 8/9 down to just under 50%. He's predicting a further decline for her post-convention.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I need Amazon's drones to bring me some tissues. I'm running out.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 5:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


The first Wikileaks voicemail is a small child (<5yo) saying goodnight to their daddy, which is pretty adorable.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Seeing all these people affected by gun violence makes me wonder, has ANYONE who is a survivor or family member of mass shootings come out in favor of the GOP position that we need more guns or looser gun laws to stop bad guys?
posted by nakedmolerats at 5:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh man i wonder what diamond joe's walk on song is gonna be tonight

i hope it's rapper's delight
posted by poffin boffin at 5:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


It will be "Little Red Corvette" or it will be bullshit.
posted by palindromic at 5:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


And BTW they didn't redact phone numbers, so thanks for doxxing the parents of that little kid, you fucking assholes.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


So let me get this straight, Wikileaks has had the data for a while and yet so conveniently manages to schedule releases at the optimal time to try and hurt the DNC? Yup that's some impartial shit right there /eyeroll

Assange doesn't quite admit timing the leak for maximum political damage in this interview, but the way he's gloating about the effect of the leaks there, combined with the fact he sat on them for so long without bothering to do any redaction... It's not a good look. I mean, insofar as a justice-evading rapist can look any worse than he already does, it looks pretty bad.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Herodios wrote:

GOP came to Cleveland for its Public Transit -- While Here They Made Transit Cuts Part of Platform . . .

Republicans want to end all federal funding for mass transit, which they call “an inherently local affair that serves only a small portion of the population, concentrated in six big cities.” [rural transit ridership is growing.]

The platform calls for the federal government to get the heck out of “bike-share programs, sidewalks, recreational trails, landscaping, and historical renovations,” arguing that money for these community game-changers should come from “other sources.”


The crazy thing about this, is that it isn't even the Republican position. It is the position of a fairly small, far-right segment of the party. I guess in that sense it is more evidence that the R's platform development process really was taken over by extremist, regressive elements.

The reason I say that eliminating transit, bicycle, and pedestrian funding isn't even the Republican position, is that it has been floated here and there--and knocked down, every time, by Republicans.

Particularly, when Eric Cantor was in House leadership ca. 2011-2012, he along with henchmen John Boehner and John Mica made eliminating bicycle and pedestrian funding and decimating transit funding a priority. But the resulting transportation bill was so "uniquely terrible" that they couldn't even get it through the House, which was heavily dominated by Republicans.

When a few far-right wackos tried the same type of thing in my own state (Missouri)--stripping bicycle funding from a proposed transportation funding bill--the proposal was annihilated by a vote of something like 85%/15%. And that at a time when the Missouri House of Representatives had a veto-proof Republican majority.

These people don't even know what their own supporters want or need . . .

[Hint: People walk, bicycle, and use transit in a lot more than just the six largest cities in the U.S. In Missouri, we have 114 counties. About 90% of them are rural in character. Every one of them has a public transit agency--because guess what? People in small towns and rural areas need to go places, too. The average American lives 10 years long than he/she can drive; about 30% of the population doesn't have a drivers license. Some people can't drive (too old, too young, disabled, etc), some don't want to, some can't afford it. Some just want some options--some choice. This applies in rural and small town America just the same as in the cities. And it applies to Republicans and Democrats alike--like it or not . . . ]
posted by flug at 5:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Apparently scheduled between 8:00 and 9:00pm (Eastern) this evening, a host of Broadway stars will perform "What The World Needs Now," - a charity single they recorded in the wake of the Orlando shooting.
posted by dnash at 5:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


The first Wikileaks voicemail is a small child (<5yo) saying goodnight to their daddy, which is pretty adorable sickening that it's been hacked and posted on the internet for absolute no good reason.
posted by zachlipton at 5:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


I think one of the reasons the national media are always making ridiculous statements about the northern tier of states from PA to MN maybe going Republican every effin cycle is a conflation of the Midlands (Ohio Valley) and the Great Lakes basin. The former was settled a generation earlier, through the Cumberland Gap; while the latter was settled primarily by New Yorkers and New Englanders coming west via the Erie Canal and the lakes. That founding DNA lingers on, as it so often does, in cultural folkways that I don't think East Coast public intellectual types think about when referencing "flyover country" or "The Midwest". There's a pretty solid dialect line (call it 50 miles south of I-80) which to this Michigan-reared Chicagoan sounds suspiciously Southern and I think that's the true reason Ohio, right on the fault line, is such a pivotal state, whereas Indiana with its population center further south is red and Illinois is blue.

PA also has the confounding Appalachian factor which tips it more red than it might otherwise be. But as others have pointed out it seems to be a narrow but durable blue majority state.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh fuck, Gabby Giffords.
posted by lkc at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016


(Not digging the smooth-jazz walkon music...)
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


There has to be some kind of compelling motivation for Nate Silver/538, and others, to make the race look tight, just to minimize complacency.

I could understand that, I guess.

I'm gonna shut up now. Gabby Giffords is talking.
posted by yesster at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016


GA Rep Park Cannon

Ah! I was listening to the audio feed and thought she said she was "part [something]". It's been bugging me.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016


Gabby Gifford is such a fucking hero.
posted by penduluum at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


aaaaaughhhh, I wish I had done better research on what was going on in the city this week. I could have seen Gabby Giffords and John Lewis at a rally like a mile from where I live!
posted by kalimac at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016


I just ran out of Kleenex! I'm using my kid's shirt to blow my nose. I'm bawling like a baby!
posted by ramix at 5:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


One thing I'm finding so incredibly remarkable is hearing so many speakers acknowledging Hillary's motherhood—and grandmother-hood—without making any excuses for it or framing it as some kind of liability she's had to overcome. I don't think I've ever witnessed this kind of honest, non-pandering, non-condescending, non–lip service embrace of motherhood as a point of competence and even importance as a plain old fact of a candidate's life on a national stage. It is so, so powerful to see that.
posted by mothershock at 5:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


She's a stud.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


did they bring out Gabby Giffords to one of the B-sides from Pure Moods
posted by Greg Nog at 5:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


From Twitter I get that there was nothing juicy in voicemails. Apparently just boring stuff and a couple of people complaining they were too supporting of Sanders.

Hehe
posted by Tarumba at 5:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Speaking is difficult for me. But come January, I want to say these two words: Madam President"
posted by zachlipton at 5:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [50 favorites]


I don't think she even used her prompter. What a powerhouse speech.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Gabrielle Giffords, I will go to the mat so tough for you. I got your back.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


If the convention floor could get even more on its feet for Gabby Giffords, it would. I am waiting for them all to start levitating or something
posted by kalimac at 5:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


As Laurie Penny tweeted just now, "They haven't said the names of any of the shooters during these speeches on gun violence. Huge respect for that. #DemsinPhilly #guncontrol"
posted by Celsius1414 at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [36 favorites]


AMA update.
Q: Which US president do you admire the most?

Trump: There have been many amazing Presidents in American history, including George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan, all of whom I greatly admire.
Motherfucker you don't even know what you fucking admire since you want to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" and Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex.
posted by Talez at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


oh man i wonder what diamond joe's walk on song is gonna be tonight

I've got money on Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult.
posted by penduluum at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


The great thing about Gifford's speech is how upbeat and, as some would say, high energy it was.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I briefly dated Gabby Gifford's (former?) campaign manager. He ghosted on me.
So he turned out to be kind of a douche, but he said that she is the most amazing person he's ever met. I have no trouble believing it.
posted by Superplin at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holy. Shit.
posted by cooker girl at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


If it's possible to suffer dehydration from tears, I am there.
posted by madamjujujive at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I want to say these two words -- Madam President," Gabby Giffords
You're mouth to God's ear.
posted by TrishaU at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


a couple of people complaining they were too supporting of Sanders.

Is this true or sarcastic?
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016


Gabby Giffords is amazing.
posted by Akhu at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016


Yeah, I listened to the longer ones. Nothing there. It's weird. I feel like I'm missing something.

THIS INFORMATION WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING

*weak fart noise*
posted by Hairy Lobster at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Speaking is difficult for me. But come January, I want to say these two words: Madam President"

She got me with that line.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 5:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Enough with Laurie Penny please.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Even if there's been a convention bounce for the Republicans, I don't think PA can be taken for granted this year.

It sadly (and I say this as a Pennsylvanian) can't really be taken for granted any year; 'leans Democratic' is accurate. The right Republican and the wrong Democratic candidate could probably swing the state, in conjunction. Santorum nonwithstanding, we have a habit of electing fairly conservative Democrats and fairly liberal Republicans -- a good Republican candidate who was centrist on the right issues could probably win the state.

That said: I do not think Trump is that candidate, and I don't think he'll take PA in November.

The other confounding factor is that, if you look at the state's internal politics, it leans heavily Republican -- but that has a lot to do with gerrymandering and demographic/geographic distribution, and doesn't actually reflect party affiliation or preference within the state, which is, of course, what matters in the Presidential election.
posted by cjelli at 5:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


OK honest question to gauge my own natural cynicality.
Apparently its an "explosive revelation" that the DNC gave perks, face-time and in-person dinners in exchange for big contributions.
I either thought or assumed that that is how its always been.
Am I wrong?
posted by Senor Cardgage at 5:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


True! I mean as peer tweeter.
posted by Tarumba at 5:25 PM on July 27, 2016


> oh man i wonder what diamond joe's walk on song is gonna be tonight

What, not something from Liquid Swords?
posted by mrzarquon at 5:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Is anyone else enjoying the Trump tweets from Owen Ellickson?

Full Trump tweet timeline
posted by GhostintheMachine at 5:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Is this when I start crying in my college cafeteria? Yes, yes it is.
posted by spinifex23 at 5:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cagney & Lacy!!
posted by cooker girl at 5:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Joe Biden needs to come on to Foghat's Slow Ride
posted by vuron at 5:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


Now we've got a live performance of the Broadway For Orlando recording, featuring basically everyone not named Lin-Manuel from Broadway (he's still on vacation in Puerto Rico, sadly, though I hold out hope that's part of a disinformation campaign he's running on Twitter).
posted by zachlipton at 5:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sharon Gless! F yeah!
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh shit. Was that Ricky from My So-Called Life?
posted by mhum at 5:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Who knew the human body could produce so much tears and snot?!
Damn!
posted by ramix at 5:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


AMA update.

Q: Which US president do you admire the most?

Trump: There have been many amazing Presidents in American history, including George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan, all of whom I greatly admire.


Did Trump just dodge a question on which president he admires most? Among the softest of softballs? 'There have been many presidents. I like many of them, but some more than others. In conclusion, presidential history is a land of contrasts.'
posted by cjelli at 5:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [35 favorites]


Pennsylvania is more purple on the Senate race -- I voted for McGinty but she's an iffy bet to beat Toomey, even before calling him an asshole at a DNC event -- than it will be in the big election. While Donald does resonate out in the sticks -- I've seen my share of TRUMP THE BITCH! stickers on stop signs out towards Lancaster -- if you're suggesting that heavily-black Philadelphia and Pittsburgh won't come out for a Clinton this year en masse, I have a Platt Bridge to sell you.

Also Biden needs to come out to some Joe Walsh. A couple of good choices there.
posted by delfin at 5:28 PM on July 27, 2016


What, not something from Liquid Swords?

Indeed. :)
posted by Celsius1414 at 5:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


This song is amazing, but the mic passing is kind of weird!
posted by ashirys at 5:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Joe Biden needs to come on to Foghat's Slow Ride

Honestly, I want him to drive his transam onto the stage.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Has a political party ever based itself on love?
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:28 PM on July 27, 2016




Aw, Rosie Perez can't sing :D
posted by palindromic at 5:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


also honestly hillary's should be mama said knock you out every single entrance for the next 8 years
posted by poffin boffin at 5:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [37 favorites]


From Twitter I get that there was nothing juicy in voicemails.

Well, it's much easier to search through e-mails, obviously. So if there's anything juicy in the voicemails, it'll probably be a while before anybody finds anything.

Assange is just trying to disrupt the news cycle, that's all.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Glad that's over.
posted by dry white toast at 5:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm really surprised that so many people are so lah-dee-dah about the DNC emails and voicemails.

Sure, there might be some embarrassing things in them, but that doesn't make any of this right. Secure communications are essential to any political campaign, and an important element of a functioning democracy.

There's a reason Nixon had to resign and G. Gordon Liddy went to jail.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 5:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Did Trump just dodge a question on which president he admires most?

"All of them, Katie."
posted by holgate at 5:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Was that Ricky from My So-Called Life?
Probably. One of the victims, Brenda McCool, was a relative of Wilson Cruz's.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:29 PM on July 27, 2016


Gabby Giffords made me cry

And now all these singers low key snatching the mic from each other is making me laugh
posted by schadenfrau at 5:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


FEEEEEEL THE LOOOOOVE!!! FEEEEEL IT! (whether you want to or not!!)
posted by ramix at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016


What, not something from Liquid Swords?

Ooh I'm changing my answer
posted by penduluum at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I will remember this chant right here for a very long time. This is the memory I want to take with me from this week.

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE <3
posted by sallybrown at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why couldn't they have had more microphones? The song was lovely but that was super weird.
posted by mochapickle at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016


I think these factors help explain some of (but not all) of the appeal of Trump, and why the margin is so tight here. So, no, describing PA as a swing state isn't "stupid" at all. I mean, yes, if you have to force it into a binary choice, maybe it's likely to stay blue for President (especially after the convention bounce and eventually the debates). But once you look at the question with any level of nuance, I think it's very accurate to describe it as "swingy."

The Republicans make noise every four years about picking off Pennsylvania, and it's always kind of silly because it's like - if they win Pennsylvania, they win a bunch of other states that put them over the top already. Pennsylvania (like Georgia for Dems) wasn't going to be the tipping point. This year, though, it might be. It's a lot whiter than other swing states (78% compared to 51% in NV), and this election, even more than the past few, appears to be dividing along racial lines. It wouldn't totally surprise me if Clinton won with Nevada, North Carolina, and Colorado even while losing Iowa, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
posted by one_bean at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016


I mean, they said it was "Broadway's brightest lights," but I didn't see anyone from Hamilton, sooooo ....

Just kidding, they had some amazing people up there. But I'm one of the people pining for LMM or at least Leslie Odom/Chris Jackson to make an appearance.
posted by lunasol at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: There have been many amazing Presidents in American history, including George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan, all of whom I greatly admire.

"Shit," says Trump's press stooge, "Who are four presidents that we can be pretty sure the boss's followers will recognize the names of?"
posted by rifflesby at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


It sounds like Gabby Giffords' speech is a little more fluid than the last time I watched her speak, back in March or so? I'm just really hoping she's getting better and better.
posted by zutalors! at 5:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Twitter voicemail talk
posted by Tarumba at 5:31 PM on July 27, 2016


This video was linked earlier, it's all clips from GOP national security folks.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:31 PM on July 27, 2016




Joe Biden needs to come on to Foghat's Slow Ride


By driving on stage in a T-Bird.
posted by drezdn at 5:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm getting really tired of these stupid white guys saying stupid shit so the media won't focus too much on the speakers here with, you know, actually something to say. Because god forbid we don't pay attention to them.
posted by bibliowench at 5:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


There's a reason Nixon had to resign and G. Gordon Liddy went to jail.

That was before IOKIYAR set in. Nothing is going to happen to anybody over this, especially since the hacker (whether Russian or not) was apparently a foreign national. It's a major crime, but not one that can be tied to anybody in the US at this point.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


oh man i wonder what diamond joe's walk on song is gonna be tonight

My money's on Radar Love by Golden Earring.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Pittsburgh isn't really that black but we are really blue. I am not lying when I say I have not seen a single Trump bumper sticker or yard sign.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Well, it's much easier to search through e-mails, obviously. So if there's anything juicy in the voicemails, it'll probably be a while before anybody finds anything.

There are only 20-something voicemails. It wouldn't take long to go through them. This is more about Wikileaks reminding us that they have more and could unleash it at any moment.
posted by zachlipton at 5:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean, they said it was "Broadway's brightest lights,"

Idina Menzel was the first line. It's hard to go up from there.
posted by Talez at 5:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Stupid white guys" meaning Trump, Assange, and their ilk, not like Biden.
posted by bibliowench at 5:33 PM on July 27, 2016


> By driving on stage in a T-Bird.

jinx
posted by mrzarquon at 5:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


actually i want to change my biden vote to sharp dressed man
posted by poffin boffin at 5:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hard to imagine this is all leading up to an Obama speech. I'm a little concerned for the structural integrity of the building.
posted by uosuaq at 5:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




Oh shit, going full Goldwater Daisy ad on Trump, but with other Republicans providing the narrative.
posted by palindromic at 5:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


This video needs to be played often and in times where people that don't watch things like the DNC would be watching.
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh wow. The tonal shift in going from "What the World Needs Now (is Love)" to this video is giving me whiplash in my brain.
posted by mhum at 5:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Welp, "Are you gonna go my way" has been taken.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


John Hutson: "Despite being a lifelong Republican, Hutson was a featured speaker at the 2008 Democratic National Convention on August 25 and August 27, 2008, who later announced that he was switching parties and endorsed Senator Barack Obama."
posted by zachlipton at 5:34 PM on July 27, 2016


That ad scared the shit out of me, please let it scare everyone.
posted by madamjujujive at 5:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Heh, "Are You Experienced?" Nice trolling, team.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


On Wednesday, July 27 2016, I watched Charles Krauthammer burn the shit out of Donald Trump at the Democratic National Convention.

Charles Krauthammer.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


Party Rock Anthem or bust.
posted by delight at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tonight is when Obama goes HAM against Trump. The First Lady threw the shade and now the President will throw the punches.
posted by sallybrown at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2016


"That's not law and order, that's criminal intent"
posted by mrzarquon at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


"That's not Law and Order! That's Criminal Intent!"

DUN DUN
posted by Talez at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [29 favorites]


YES!!!!! The russian invite to hack us! "That's not law and order, that's criminal intent"
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yayyy talking about Russia! Called it criminal intent.
posted by Tarumba at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I would SO love some Ghost Dog intro for Biden.
posted by rp at 5:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am not lying when I say I have not seen a single Trump bumper sticker or yard sign.

20 miles north, southern Butler county has you more than covered :(
posted by splen at 5:37 PM on July 27, 2016


"You're not fit to polish John McCain's boots."
posted by zachlipton at 5:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


"This morning, Trump invited Russia to hack us. That's not law and order, that's criminal intent." *dun dun DUN*
posted by cjelli at 5:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


YEAH POLISH HIS BOOTS LET'S GET INTO THE FOOT FETISHIST PART OF THE EVENING
posted by Greg Nog at 5:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


"You're not fit to polish John McCains boots."
posted by lkc at 5:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's Not Treason if you are Republican!
posted by vuron at 5:37 PM on July 27, 2016


"Donald, you're not qualified to polish John McCain's boots"
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also I want the President's walk-off music to be "Freedom" by Beyonce and Kendrick Lamar.
posted by sallybrown at 5:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Tonight is when Obama goes HAM against Trump. The First Lady threw the shade and now the President will throw the punches.

Was thinking this today. This is his chance to really unload on Trump.

On the flip side, a reporter tweeted today that Obama has been re-working his speech constantly since Michelle's speech on Monday. There are SIX working drafts as of today!
posted by dry white toast at 5:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


That's an incredible line, truly. Props to the anonymous speechwriter currently getting flask-drunk who wrote it.
posted by penduluum at 5:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


So weird to hear people speaking about John McCain and showing videos of Mitt Romney in a positive way during the DNC.
posted by mollywas at 5:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh shit, going full Goldwater Daisy ad on Trump, but with other Republicans providing the narrative.

Probably my favorite anti-Trump ad so far.
posted by puddledork at 5:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh shit, going full Goldwater Daisy ad on Trump, but with other Republicans providing the narrative.

What was the video?
posted by homunculus at 5:38 PM on July 27, 2016


but, can I watch Don lick them?
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


What was the video?

Here you go.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


THANK YOU: "For them, victory is to make us more like them... Donald Trump is a walking, talking terrorist recruitment poster."
posted by palindromic at 5:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


"If we lose our humanity, we lose the battle and we lose the war."

YES. FOREVER.

(Also the central message of Lord of the Rings I think)
posted by Pallas Athena at 5:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


There are SIX working drafts as of today!

Devoting a personal moment of silence to whomever was in charge of incorporating the redlines flying through Outlook all week into the master draft(s).
posted by sallybrown at 5:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


20 miles north, southern Butler county has you more than covered :(

Oh, I'm sure. I don't leave the city much lol
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:40 PM on July 27, 2016


What the hell
posted by cashman at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


What are they saying?
posted by mochapickle at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


What is this chanting?
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


What are they chanting?
posted by bluecore at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


What are they chanting?
posted by ramix at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


What are they saying?
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


what are they chanting?
posted by dis_integration at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Are they saying "get off?"
posted by mudpuppie at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


haha. on preview. amazing.
posted by dis_integration at 5:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


"Well, I'm not quite sure what they're saying, so..."

*continues with speech*
posted by schadenfrau at 5:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


This fellow and Harry Reid make me happy that nerds still have a public place in the Democratic Party on the highest profile, most celebrity-filled night of the year.
posted by palindromic at 5:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Lol he said he didn't know.
posted by Tarumba at 5:42 PM on July 27, 2016


What could possibly be worth chanting right now, you morons, you assholes?
posted by penduluum at 5:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


BOB (Bernie or Bust)?
posted by sallybrown at 5:42 PM on July 27, 2016


What the hell was that?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:43 PM on July 27, 2016


It sounded like "Trump Trump Trump Trump"?
posted by unknowncommand at 5:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Huey Lewis? The heart of rock n roll?
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:43 PM on July 27, 2016


The Heat Is On.

Anybody putting together a DNC intro song Spotify playlist or something?
posted by penduluum at 5:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Something about drones?
posted by Superplin at 5:43 PM on July 27, 2016


Honestly, what fucking children.
posted by schadenfrau at 5:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ryan Camenzind ‏@ryancamenzind 17s18 seconds ago
@samsanders someone said they were chanting "dump trump"
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


At least this time they decided to disrupt a white dude?
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


did it seem weird to anyone that he called our enemies inhuman
posted by Greg Nog at 5:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I was thinking maybe "stop Trump" or "dump Trump", but I couldn't tell.
posted by uosuaq at 5:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think they were chanting "Dump Trump"
posted by Apoch at 5:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


You guys are freaking me out with the comments.
posted by bongo_x at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016


What was the video?

Shorter version.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anybody putting together a DNC intro song Spotify playlist or something?

Please hahahaha by the time I'm like, okay...I'm reaching back almost got it...the song ends hahahahah
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I was chanting "Boo-urns."
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I still don't get why people chant during other people's speeches.
posted by cashman at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Corb, if you're out there, what do you think of the Bernie delegats?
posted by Yowser at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016


I prefer "Thump Trump." I love the idea/irony of a GIANT HAND flicking him off a stage.
posted by mochapickle at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016


She lives with her wife <3

2016: Where we have openly lesbian marine veterans.
posted by Talez at 5:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [38 favorites]


Stump the Trump!
posted by vuron at 5:46 PM on July 27, 2016


Corb went to the RNC, not the DNC
posted by hleehowon at 5:46 PM on July 27, 2016


....yes? That's why we're all here?

Literally the reason everyone is here
posted by schadenfrau at 5:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


God damnit, those fucking horrible Diebold voting machines.

It's always fun to trot this out every presidential election year.

sharp dressed man

Hah, I was going to suggest "I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide".
posted by fuse theorem at 5:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I need to show this speech to my military cousins.
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


The difference between the parties is so stark. This convention is full of people who accept that we live in the year 2016, while last week's was full of people who didn't.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


I was venting a bit further upthread, but thanks for the thoughtful follow-ups, folks.
posted by gimonca at 5:47 PM on July 27, 2016


I'm getting from Twitter that they're chanting "Let her in." Re: Nina Turner
posted by Sophie1 at 5:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I want the transcript for Kristen Kavanaugh's speech. This is spot on.
posted by kanewai at 5:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


By the way, people on Twitter are starting to point out that "r/the donald", where Trump is doing his AMA, is filled with white supremacists.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


2016: Where we have openly lesbian marine veterans MARRIED TO OTHER LESBIANS.

In my lifetime.
posted by mudpuppie at 5:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Tim Kaine Could Be the Second Coming of Joe Biden:
Only time will tell, but it’s worth considering the deep parallels that suggest Kaine could be as successful in a Clinton administration as Biden has been for Obama.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Leon Panetta is now on. Talking about the responsibility of being the CIC.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:48 PM on July 27, 2016


Pittsburgh isn't really that black but we are really blue. I am not lying when I say I have not seen a single Trump bumper sticker or yard sign.

Yeah, but you don't have to go far outside the city limits but still within the region to find plenty of them, and by the time you get further out into the suburbs, but still well within what most people would call the Pittsburgh region (not just like Butler and Westmoreland counties, mind you), you can't swing a Terrible Towel without hitting some sort of Trump / anti-Hillary message.

Of course this is just the story of the natural red/blue sorting that's gone on for quite some time, but with the city's population staying flat and PA suburbs and exurbs growing in population, I don't demographics are going to always be there for us.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:49 PM on July 27, 2016


"This is no time to gamble with our future"
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:49 PM on July 27, 2016


MSNBC said that Panetta tweaked his speech today to address the Russia shit from today.
posted by gatorae at 5:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


We're up to 12 questions with vapid answers in two hours on the Trump AMA.
posted by Talez at 5:50 PM on July 27, 2016


Leon Panetta seems like someone they could safely heckle. Interesting that they're not.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


soren_lorensen: "Pittsburgh isn't really that black but we are really blue. I am not lying when I say I have not seen a single Trump bumper sticker or yard sign."

We know a few Trump supporters over her on the Northside although none of them have put out signs. Actually, I haven't seen any political signs or bumper-stickers in my neighborhood this year.
posted by octothorpe at 5:50 PM on July 27, 2016


Kristen Kavanaugh was pretty bad ass.
posted by bongo_x at 5:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pittsburgh isn't really that black but we are really blue. I am not lying when I say I have not seen a single Trump bumper sticker or yard sign.

I'm kind of surprised. You don't have to go far outside of PGH to hear some dueling banjos. But it went Obama in '08 and '12. I was living there when that girl did her weird hoax and everytime I went to that ATM in Bloomfield I liked to sing Hail to the Chief to myself.
posted by dis_integration at 5:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ugh. I'm not really okay with the "She ordered Osama's death"...9-11 was an attack on the world, not just the US.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Biden better come out to "Life's Been Good."

With Joe Walsh actually playing the intro.

While they are both lowered into the arena on a Trans Am T-Top.
posted by dw at 5:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


I love how he framed terrorism as a perversion of Islam
posted by Tarumba at 5:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mentioned Panetta in my list of "holy shit I can't wait for this" before I could start watching.

This is good.
posted by rp at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016


Now chanting "no more war" it seems?
posted by cashman at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


No More War chants.
posted by Talez at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016


Actually, I haven't seen any political signs or bumper-stickers in my neighborhood this year.

It's probably 2-to-1 Bernie:Hillary sign/sticker ratio here in the East End. Which is of course the blue beating heart of a blue city, so you'll have that. After the rally on Saturday I hope to get some signs and stickers and I might dig my Obama 08 windsock out of storage (what, you don't have an Obama windsock?!) and hang that up again just for giggles.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016


Strong chant of "no more war".
posted by gilrain at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016


We went from "The world needs to love" to "Hillary gave the directive to go execute Osama".

"No more War" is being chanted.

I agree.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Ok now it's NO MORE WAR.
posted by dis_integration at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016


"No more war." LOVE IT!
posted by entropicamericana at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


My vote for Biden: "I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide" by ZZ Top
posted by argybarg at 5:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


They are bad at this.
posted by unknowncommand at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016


Aaah, here's the heckling.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016


Sounds like maybe conflicting chants, but the voice near the audience mic is clear.
posted by gilrain at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016


"No more war?" Is that what they're saying?
posted by Rykey at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016


Chant: NO MORE WAR
posted by palindromic at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016


I think this one is "no more war" along with some other counter-chanting trying to drown it out.
posted by penduluum at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh God no don't feed the trolls
posted by Tarumba at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016


Shit Panetta gave the networks the clip they wanted

Are they going to do this to Obama?

And where the hell is Bernie now?
posted by schadenfrau at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Boom!
posted by Hairy Lobster at 5:54 PM on July 27, 2016


argybarg: "My vote for Biden: "I'm Bad, I'm Nationwide" by ZZ Top"

SUPERNAUT
posted by boo_radley at 5:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Fuck chanting forever.
posted by EatTheWeak at 5:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm OK with this chant.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ok, we'll Quit War. Good job guys.
posted by zutalors! at 5:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


FUCK CHANTING FOREVER! FUCK CHANTING FOREVER! FUCK CHAoops.
posted by uosuaq at 5:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Biden Vote: "Sex Machine"
posted by lkc at 5:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok, so it seems like the protestors are learning a little about optics. At least chanting "No More War" in Leon Panetta's speech is somewhat more defensible than chanting "No TPP" during Elijah Cummings'.
posted by mhum at 5:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Eh. I'm sympathetic to the chant but it's not accomplishing what they think it's accomplishing.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is unusual, right? I thought the intelligence community usually doesn't do endorsements.
posted by joedan at 5:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


He must have known that there was a good chance they were going to chant over him. He just needs to keep going.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


They want Trump to win. Scumbags the lot.
posted by Yowser at 5:56 PM on July 27, 2016


Yes this is super realistic and effective. Everyone will get right on that. If only someone had told us all about the horrors of war before!
posted by schadenfrau at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh god, don't chant USA.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016


We would all love for there to be no more war. Including this speaker.
posted by Pallas Athena at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


On CSPAN, the camera always manages to find the yelling blonde Zosia Mamet twin; when they make the movie about all this, they should cast her as the star
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I want Panetta to address the chanters directly.
posted by rp at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


USA LIES! USA LIES! USA LIES!
posted by acidic at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016


Okay they can shut the fuck up now.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Now a "USA" chant is taking over the room. Bleh, I don't like any of this.
posted by gilrain at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


They want Trump to win. Scumbags the lot.

*rolls eyes*.

Also are they chanting USA?
posted by dis_integration at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016


Lies? He's lying about his parents?
posted by EatTheWeak at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jesus now they're chanting "LIES" over Panetta talking about his parents coming to the U.S. from Italy.
posted by Gaz Errant at 5:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wtf, come on.
posted by mothershock at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016


Dude, you lost the room. Wrap up quick and get on to the next.
posted by penduluum at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016


Eh. I'm sympathetic to the chant but it's not accomplishing what they think it's accomplishing.

Getting them personal attention? It is. They're getting everything they want.
posted by bongo_x at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is like Beyond Thunderdome, when those kids just kept chanting after everything that older kid was saying.
posted by cashman at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016


Well he is game. I keep expecting him to walk off stage but he just keeps giving his speech. So much chanting it is just background noise now and you can't decipher what they are saying. I can hear USA, USA, USA and Lies, lies, lies. I swear a minute ago I heard them chanting Biden's name.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016


War is now officially over. "Putin just invaded the Balkans, what do we do?" "Sorry, we can't do anything, because no more war!"
posted by gehenna_lion at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I have absolutely no problem with antiwar protests against former CIA head Leon Panetta, whose Dept. of Defense oversaw our problematic drone program.
posted by Lyme Drop at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Also are they chanting USA?
Competing chants, I think. That was kind of ugly, but if that's the worst it gets, we're ok, I think.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think there's a Thompson Twins fan in the audience.
posted by homunculus at 5:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yay, Dr. Biden! Of course, no intro for her husband will ever beat this one from the 2012 campaign trail.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016


No more war sounds great, until you realize someone has to defeat ISIS, boko harm, etc.

US has NATO commitments that literally saved my husband from extremist Serbs.
posted by Tarumba at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [43 favorites]


Joe is a fucking lucky man.
posted by Talez at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is crazy, how could anyone not love the former Director of the CIA and current Secretary Of Defense
posted by Greg Nog at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [39 favorites]


one set of people was chanting "lies" and the another was trying to drown them out with "USA", I think
posted by Vibrissa at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


(like, I'm cool with a protest chant to get the point made but at some point you become the person clapping too long and then you're just an asshole)
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh, lordy, the AMA: There's a comment by a user who is so upset about the election that when his mom came up to his room to bring him chicken nuggets, he knocked the plate out of her hand and started screaming.

This is what we're up against. People whose moms bring chicken nuggets to their bedrooms.
posted by mochapickle at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [59 favorites]


Those asshats had better not chant over Dr. Biden.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Global military strategy really can't be summed up by a chant or a slogan so they can really just shush now and when they get back home start writing letters to their representatives, organize meetings on the Hill and so forth.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ach god I have a hard time resisting the respectability politics kicking in like "OMG GUYS THAT'S SO RUDE YOU'RE HURTING HIS FEELINGS."

"No More War" pretty fitting for a Secretary of Defense...

but you're hurting his feelings and being distracting
posted by sallybrown at 5:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is what we're up against. People whose moms bring chicken nuggets to their bedrooms.

I'd say that was parody, but you know.
posted by Artw at 6:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I wish they'd have a style guide between "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and "Hillary Clinton."
I prefer No Rodham, but it should really be what she prefers.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:00 PM on July 27, 2016


Joe is a fucking lucky man.

His luck has been pretty bad actually. But she seems like a nice catch.
posted by dis_integration at 6:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh, lordy, the AMA: There's a comment by a user who is so upset about the election that when his mom came up to his room to bring him chicken nuggets, he knocked the plate out of her hand and started screaming.

Thats a 4chan-ism. "Tendies" if you care to google the meme.
posted by lkc at 6:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


As someone who protested against the Iraq War before I could vote, I am 100% OK with people yelling No More War. If that's considered rude political rhetoric, clearly none of y'all remember that time an Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at George Dubya.
posted by mostly vowels at 6:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Joe Biden was authentic before it was cool
posted by saturday_morning at 6:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


mochapickle: "Oh, lordy, the AMA: There's a comment by a user who is so upset about the election that when his mom came up to his room to bring him chicken nuggets, he knocked the plate out of her hand and started screaming.

This is what we're up against. People whose moms bring chicken nuggets to their bedrooms.
"

Nah, it's some 4chanesque copypasta meme mocking an outraged Sanders (?) supporter from a few months back.
posted by Rhaomi at 6:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


here's a comment by a user who is so upset about the election that when his mom came up to his room to bring him chicken nuggets

It's irony; it's a meme on reddit; the chicken nuggets are fiction
posted by Greg Nog at 6:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Jill is rad.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


that time an Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at George Dubya.

That was the only time I was proud of him - he really ducked that shoe.
posted by zutalors! at 6:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Was that a picture of Geraldine Ferraro in that video clip?
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:03 PM on July 27, 2016


Joe Biden is one of my favorite people that I've ever met.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ahh.... Ok. That was so weird, the chicken nuggets.
posted by mochapickle at 6:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Joe Biden has one of the more kick-ass "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" legislative highlight reels out there.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


So is it Jill-->Joe-->Barack at this point, or are we going to get a few chances to catch our breath?
posted by uosuaq at 6:03 PM on July 27, 2016


I'm fond of Joe, but he behaved very badly vis-a-vis Anita Hill. That said, I don't think he would make those mistakes today.
posted by carmicha at 6:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


"No More War" is fine to chant at Panetta. Briefly. The "Let Her In" chants regarding Nina Turner, who was on MSNBC Monday pretty much implying that she was withholding a Hillary endorsement until she got enough attention...... bye.
posted by acidic at 6:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


That was the only time I was proud of him - he really ducked that shoe.

Cat-like reflexes. Someone should throw a shoe at the donald and see how he takes it.
posted by dis_integration at 6:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


No more war would be super, but feeding the narrative of "those divided democrats trying to elect that women no one likes" could very well result in a fuck of a lot more war than we've ever seen.
posted by bibliowench at 6:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yeah that nugget thing is a copy/paste
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:04 PM on July 27, 2016


CHICKEN NUGGETS ARE !!!!NOT!!!! FICTIONS!!!
posted by klarck at 6:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"No More War" pretty fitting for a Secretary of Defense...

but you're hurting his feelings and being distracting


It's not so much his feelings, it's that Republicans have probably already gif'd this and the "Lies!" bit and stuck it all over their forums as evidence that Democrats Hate Our Troops. The chanters are handing ammo to the Trump brigade.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Our loyalty is not to South Africa, it's to South Africans." Huh. Shades of Hamilton.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish they'd have a style guide between "Hillary Rodham Clinton" and "Hillary Clinton."
I prefer No Rodham, but it should really be what she prefers.


A Short History of Hillary (Rodham) (Clinton)'s Name
posted by palindromic at 6:04 PM on July 27, 2016


I think that's the first time apartheid (separate from Mandela) has been mentioned? Kind of amazing that it's passed out of national consciousness so relatively quickly.
posted by kalimac at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Biden's going to walk out to Bo Diddly!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


omg, all the unexpected feels when he gave the pro-same sex marriage interview
posted by donatella at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


So is it Jill-->Joe-->Barack at this point, or are we going to get a few chances to catch our breath?

We got a ways to go, at least an hour, until POTUS comes on stage.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016


Sanders supporters do know that Bernie was not going to end the drone program and his defense policy was almost indistinguishable from Obama's, right?
posted by FJT at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


Somewhere Leslie Knope is having heart palpitations watching this montage.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


That video shows the genocide in Bosnia. My husband was 13 and boys over 12 were being murdered.

The US saved him and then gave him asylum.

No more war is a wonderful feeling, but sometimes you have to fight.
posted by Tarumba at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [82 favorites]


It's not Chicken Nuggets. It's CHICKEN FUCKING TENDIES.

Be more Steve Buscemi in 30 Rock people.
posted by Talez at 6:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


More on Chicken Nug-gate (I refuse to call anything 'Tendies'):
Someone prank called the DNC on day 2 ...
posted by mysticreferee at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


Tendies(chicken nuggets) come from /r9k/ which is a shithole as far as I understand.
posted by Yowser at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


So is it Jill-->Joe-->Barack at this point, or are we going to get a few chances to catch our breath?

Joe, Mayor Kasim Reed (Atlanta), Bloomberg, Tim Kaine, Sharon Belkofer, Obama, and finally Rev. Gabriel Salguero, per the CSPAN schedule.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


The really should have got Junkie XL, who scored Fury Road, to do the soundtrack.
posted by stet at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


Who is the female narrator just now, if I can ask?
posted by ftm at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


> What was the video?

Here you go. yt
posted by zombieflanders


Thanks!
posted by homunculus at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


I AM SO EXCITED TO SEE JOE!!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


Seconding ActingTheGoat:

I walk forty-seven miles of barbed wire
I use a cobra snake for a necktie
I got a brand new house on the roadside
Made from rattlesnake hide
I got a brand new chimney made on top
Made out of a human skull
Now come on take a walk with me, Arlene
And tell me, who do you love?

posted by uosuaq at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Remaining Schedule:

Remarks: Vice President Joe Biden
Remarks: Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed
Remarks: Michael Bloomberg
Musical Performance: Lenny Kravitz

10:00 – 11:00 PM (EDT)

Remarks: Democratic Nominee for Vice President Tim Kaine
Introduction of Film
Sharon Belkofer, Sharon Belkofer is the mother of fallen Lt. Col. Thomas Belkofer. Her son was killed when a suicide bomber detonated a minibus in a convoy carrying Belkofer and three other high-ranking officers in Kabul, Afghanistan. Remarks: President Barack Obama
Benediction: Rev. Gabriel Salguero
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:06 PM on July 27, 2016


Okay who had "West Wing instrumental noodling" in the pool?
posted by penduluum at 6:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Alright, I won't run, but you gotta play my greatest hits tape at the convention"
posted by ethansr at 6:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]




Who is the female narrator just now, if I can ask?

Laura Linney?
posted by mudpuppie at 6:07 PM on July 27, 2016


"Let's change the culture so that no abused woman or man ever has to ask themselves, 'What did I do?' They did nothing wrong."

Dammit I'm out of kleenex thank god I stocked up on toilet paper.
posted by Superplin at 6:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


DIAMOND JOE.

God, I love him. So much. I said it 20 years ago. 16 years ago. 12 years ago. 8 years ago. 4 years ago. I want to be half as good as Joe Biden when I grow up.

Fuckin TEAR IT UP JOE.
posted by rp at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh yeah, that Kaine guy should probably get a word in too. Thanks, Blue Jello Elf. (I'm just feeling a little wrung out already; guess that was wishful thinking.)
posted by uosuaq at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


Can't Joe Biden just stay V.P.?
posted by BlueJae at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


No more war is a wonderful feeling, but sometimes you have to fight.
posted by Tarumba at 6:05 PM on July 27 [20 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]


QFMFT
posted by ramix at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sanders supporters do know that Bernie was not going to end the drone program and his defense policy was almost indistinguishable from Obama's, right?

But they trust him, it's totally different
posted by schadenfrau at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Rocky!
posted by danapiper at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I need a Joe sign.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


Rocky! Oh, Joe.
posted by Superplin at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


GONNA FLY NOW!
posted by Talez at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


GONNA FLY NOW!!!!!
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


omg epic
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


hhahaha of course it's this music
posted by sallybrown at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


ROCKY!
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


The Rocky Theme is playing for Joe Biden
posted by cashman at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Rocky!
posted by shiny blue object at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


Fiiiine go with Rocky
posted by dw at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


Rocky theme - nice.
Oh, I'm gonna miss you, Joe.
posted by eclectist at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


This is another thing I often just have to peaceout with my husband about. No More War isn't a policy. Or at least, it's not a policy where your country isn't a a completely hermetically sealed isolation chamber. There are lots of different conversations to be had about what an appropriate military policy is, but "no more war" isn't that conversation.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


Remaining Schedule:

Excuse my French, but MOTHERFUCKER that's a lineup
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


WHO HAD ROCKY
posted by schadenfrau at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Lol Gonna Fly Now
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


'Gonna Fly Now' aka 'The Song From Rocky.' Most perfect entry music for Onion Biden, my gosh.
posted by cjelli at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


The sign game is on point: Biden, Biden, Biden
posted by mochapickle at 6:08 PM on July 27, 2016


The music!!
posted by Tarumba at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016


DIAMOND JOE
DIAMOND JOE
DIAMOND JOE
posted by entropicamericana at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


FUCKIN' ROCKY, I DON'T CARE THAT I'M THE TENTH PERSON TO CALL IT OUT, MOTHERFUCKING ROCKY
posted by cortex at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


Remember when we thought Joe Biden was a safe and boring VP?
posted by argybarg at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


I've said this before but 538 right now is the most pessimistic of the poll-aggregators.
posted by en forme de poire at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016


That was the correct musical cue.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Biden was born for this shit. Just look at the elation on his face as he comes out like he's a star QB in a Super Bowl victory parade.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I WANT A JOE SIGN.
posted by BlueJae at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


ANTE UP
TAKE MINKS OFF
ANTE UP
TAKE THINGS OFF
posted by penduluum at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wow, the sign game continues to be on point.
posted by joedan at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


JOE!

I want one of those signs.
posted by jamaro at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


No fair cutting it off before the sweet guitar solo though!
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yes, but the "Joe" signs really should have been diamond-shaped.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 6:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


No More War isn't a policy.

I mean, we could make a commitment to trying to transform the global order so that war was a thing of the past. We could do what Kucinich wanted to and form a Department of Peace whose aim was just that, to look for ways to put an end to war. We could make it a policy without saying: no we wont defend ourselves or our allies.
posted by dis_integration at 6:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


(He's a big fuckin' deal!)
posted by entropicamericana at 6:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


That guy! This guy! Fuck yeah, Joe Biden!
posted by OmieWise at 6:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


So....I'm the only person who pretty much totally hated "Fight Song?" Glib...but, okay, okay, it's meant to be a pop anthem, I'll turn down the curmudgeon for a sec. But so blonde, so white, a few non-white and older-than-30 punctuation marks, so white, so blonde, that Brady Bunch backdrop.
posted by desuetude at 6:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Aw, I love im
posted by likeatoaster at 6:10 PM on July 27, 2016


whoever is the chief signage officer during this convention has done a terrific job
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


FUCKIN' ROCKY, I DON'T CARE THAT I'M THE TENTH PERSON TO CALL IT OUT, MOTHERFUCKING ROCKY

/flagged for mod attent...

posted by cortex

\m/ \m/
posted by Celsius1414 at 6:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


I am going to miss this administration so much.
posted by Superplin at 6:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


"I don't know where you are kid, but you are incredible"
posted by mrzarquon at 6:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


They sure did not scrimp on the sign budget.
posted by mhum at 6:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

GO JOE.
posted by Justinian at 6:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


Can we create some sort of official FLOTUS Emeritus position for Michelle where she still grows veggies on the White House lawn and dances on Ellen and reminds us all to be nice to each other, and can we make Joe, I dunno, America's Uncle?
posted by BlueJae at 6:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [37 favorites]


I want a video of Biden running up the Philadelphia Art Museum steps by tomorrow morning, dammit.
posted by bibliowench at 6:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ok, so it seems like the protestors are learning a little about optics. At least chanting "No More War" in Leon Panetta's speech is somewhat more defensible than chanting "No TPP" during Elijah Cummings'.


Yeah, I was super-pissed about the "No TPP" during Cummings' speech, and "Lock Her Up" under any circumstances, but "No Fracking" for Brown and "No More War" for the director of the CIA is at least within the realm of contextually advocating for progressive values.

"Let Her In" re Nina Turner, on the other hand, is just more silly, cult of personality, conspiracist bullshit. Apparently, since she doesn't actually support the party's presidential nominee they didn't have her speak at the convention which is "silencing" and "humiliating" her. There were also reports that she was stripped of her credentials but this is apparently not true.

As far as I can tell, convention organizers are handling the attempted disruptions pretty well.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 6:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yes you did marry way up Joe. For the SECOND TIME. So don't you ever forget it.
posted by Talez at 6:12 PM on July 27, 2016


Props to the person waving their "Joe" sign upside down. It's OK, Joe Biden is omnidimensional
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Could've done without the Chris Dodd namecheck.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:12 PM on July 27, 2016


"Barack and I married way up."

Everyone should feel this way about their spouses. But it's always nice to hear it said. Particularly by these guys.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Nobody does folksy like Diamond Joe.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


If you haven't noticed Hillary is a white blonde woman. Just because you know some Queen Bee Blondes doesn't mean they are all bad.
posted by vuron at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I love my Hillary, but could Biden have won this had he entered the race?
posted by mochapickle at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Your collective enthusiasm for Joe Biden gives me life.
posted by delight at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016


They sure did not scrimp on the sign budget.

Had to come out of the microphone budget.
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Joe Biden as portrayed by The Onion will only make you love him more
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Talking about his son. Oh jeez. heart is breaking.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

'cause he has a totally bitchin' 'maro.
posted by entropicamericana at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


"I've been made strong at the broken places."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

Misogyny.
posted by joedan at 6:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [83 favorites]


I love my Hillary, but could Biden have won this had he entered the race?

If there was no Hillary?

We'd be saying "President Diamond Joe".
posted by Talez at 6:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


So sad for Joe ;___;
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I've been made strong at the broken places" just set the tear ducts off.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is there going to be a break for me to make popcorn and shut the chicken coop before Tim and Barack?
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:14 PM on July 27, 2016


Hemingway quote? I can only heart you so much, Joe!
posted by ftm at 6:14 PM on July 27, 2016


Wait, who's Ashley?
posted by bendy at 6:14 PM on July 27, 2016


It seems like he's having a little trouble articulating the words; more sibilance, a little slurring. I hope he's okay.
posted by carmicha at 6:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Props to the person waving their "Joe" sign upside down. It's OK, Joe Biden is omnidimensional.

Let's be real. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that at some point, Biden will deliver some of this speech while standing on his head.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]



Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

Misogyny.


THANK YOU
posted by zutalors! at 6:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Justinian: "Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?
"

He helped me move to a new apartment once. Even bought the pizza once we got all my shit in.
posted by boo_radley at 6:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


lol double teamed
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is there going to be a break for me to make popcorn and shut the chicken coop before Tim and Barack?

NPR says:

Vice President Biden
Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed
Michael Bloomberg
Lenny Kravitz Musical Performance
Tim Kaine
President Obama
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean, we could make a commitment to trying to transform the global order so that war was a thing of the past. We could do what Kucinich wanted to and form a Department of Peace whose aim was just that, to look for ways to put an end to war. We could make it a policy without saying: no we wont defend ourselves or our allies.

But, yeah, all that stuff doesn't fit into a chant. So "No More War" is what it gets boiled down to. Same way "Black Lives Matter" is a complex and wide-ranging thought that also had to be boiled down to a pithy three-word slogan.

Morever, pacifism is a legitimate political idea with a lot of varieties beyond wide-eyed naivete. And one of the black eyes on the Obama administration -- of which Secretary Clinton was a part -- is the way they've continued the Bush administration's policies of intervention in Muslim nations regardless of the massive collateral damage those policies are causing.

I have no real issue with chanting "No More War" at someone who actually has a connection to our foreign policy.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


I love that Biden never goes without mentioning the teachers who buy supplies for their students out of their own pockets.
posted by sallybrown at 6:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


bendy: "Wait, who's Ashley?"

One of his two daughters.
posted by mhum at 6:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


DNC 2016: WHY IS THIS EVEN A CONTEST
posted by uosuaq at 6:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


soren_lorensen: Is there going to be a break for me to make popcorn and shut the chicken coop before Tim and Barack?

Yes, Lenny Kravitz musical break.
posted by bluecore at 6:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ashley is the daughter of Jill and Joe.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:16 PM on July 27, 2016


Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

Misogyny.


Just take the rest of my favorites on a payment plan; I'll get some again in 24 hours, I swear
posted by schadenfrau at 6:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


Thanks showbiz_liz. Chicken safety and popcorn beats Michael Bloomberg.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:16 PM on July 27, 2016


Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed

Oh shit I hope they chant SNOW-MA-GED-DON, SNOW-MA-GED-DON. You ATLiens remember.
posted by dis_integration at 6:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm not sure I like calling out teachers for buying supplies for their students in a speech like this. "Because teaching is not what they do but who they are."

Stuff like that is kind of the reason people don't want to become teachers. It shouldn't have to be all you are.
posted by peacheater at 6:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Sonny, honey, the bank wouldn't loan me the money"
posted by argybarg at 6:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Calling up that the ACA started with Hillary was badass.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Is Lenny Kravitz gonna do "American Woman"?
posted by wabbittwax at 6:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Again and again and again in speech after speech each person speaks about hope and love and equality and noble sacrifices and striving to do better for our children and families and the country.

The RNC speakers gave us fear and darkness and anger and blaming.

The difference is stark.
posted by zarq at 6:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Bryan Cranston in the house!
posted by mochapickle at 6:18 PM on July 27, 2016


"Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

Misogyny."

Please don't kill me but also charisma, I think.
posted by Tarumba at 6:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]



It seems like he's having a little trouble articulating the words; more sibilance, a little slurring. I hope he's okay.


I noticed this too. I hope it's a audio / mic issue.
posted by schadenfrau at 6:18 PM on July 27, 2016


"Sorry, honey, the bank wouldn't loan me the money"

That got me right in the gut, for some reason.
posted by kalimac at 6:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is Lenny Kravitz gonna do "American Woman"?

Probably not. Have you heard the lyrics?
posted by zombieflanders at 6:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


a little slurring. I hope he's okay.

he's the Vice President, he's drunk with lack of power
posted by Greg Nog at 6:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Don't boo, don't cheer -- think.

Hell yeah.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


Biden's 73. He was sworn in as a Senator just after his 30th birthday. He deserves to take a break, drive his 'vette, write a memoir and do some public speaking to earn a fuckton of money for him and his family -- he's never taken anything other than his salary, and his only real source of wealth is his house in Delaware -- and be comforted that President Hillary Clinton is looking after things.
posted by holgate at 6:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


Just listen to me without booing or cheering.

DUDE.
posted by Mooski at 6:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


Wow, the "if you..." bit was well written and really well delivered. And then the segue into the really sincere Trump stuff. Excellent.
posted by OmieWise at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Malarky!
posted by dirigibleman at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


THAT'S A BUNCH OF MALARKEY.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


MALARKEY!
posted by wabbittwax at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Joe's pissed.
posted by cashman at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


malarkey!
posted by dis_integration at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holy shit, I don't think I'd heard that Biden also lost his first wife and daughter in a car accident. So much tragedy for one guy.
posted by bibliowench at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


MALARKEY!!!
posted by dry white toast at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bunch of Malarky.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Malarkey!

JOE MY HERO
posted by Salieri at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


'How can there be pleasure in telling someone 'You're fired'?'

Preach it, Joe.
posted by eclectist at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [57 favorites]


THAT'S A BUNCH OF MALARKEY
posted by ilicet at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Probably not. Have you heard the lyrics?

Didn't stop Reagan.
posted by stet at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016


MALARKEY
posted by jason_steakums at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I thought we all liked Biden because of the Onion (and Same Sex Marriage), but remember that he wasn't a very good presidential candidate.
posted by drezdn at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


MALARKEY!
posted by zombieflanders at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Please don't kill me but also charisma, I think.

I don't disagree, but I think our notions of what "charisma" consists of are also to a large extent sexist. It's all tied up together.
posted by peacheater at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [28 favorites]


Malarkey! Finish your drinks if you're playing along.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I'm not trying to be a wiseguy here"
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


TELL EM JOE
posted by entropicamericana at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love that Biden never goes without mentioning the teachers who buy supplies for their students out of their own pockets.

This is my sister in law, who moved to America two years ago. She teaches there. She does this.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Fuckin GET HIM JOE
posted by argybarg at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wow. Fantastic call-out on the "you're fired". One of the worst things people can hear.
posted by nakedmolerats at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


"How can there be pleasure in saying, "You're fired?""
posted by OmieWise at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Yay, malarkey!
posted by octothorpe at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It's her life story. She has always been there.....and so has Tim Kaine."

Oh boy here comes the anti-Trump stuff. Joe says "no cheering or booing, just listen because this is serious."

"He says he cares about the middle class? That's a bunch of malarkey." Crowd goes wild.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Gotta hand it to Biden, very few people can pull off "malarkey" with panache.
posted by Superplin at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


HOLY SHIT.

Joe Biden just brought the red carpet to the blue collar workers in this country and said "here we are, we care"
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


*bidentification intensifies*
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I hope he's okay.


Maybe just working around the dentures?
posted by xorry at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016


"This guy doesn't have a clue about the middle class. Not a clue."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016


Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

Misogyny.


Part of it goes back to the article from Vox about how we value speaking in a candidate more than listening (also related to misogyny). Biden has the Irish gift that one of my uncles has, in that it is pure pleasure to hear him speak; he is captivating. (I'm not in any way denying misogyny is present here.)
posted by sallybrown at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


This is perfect.
posted by peacheater at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016


Joe Biden is the greatest role of Jimmy Stewart's career
posted by penduluum at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [53 favorites]


Please don't kill me but also charisma, I think.

Agreed, but the things we consider to be charismatic in our politicians is heavily gendered.
posted by joedan at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


"That's a bunch of malarkey!" I love you Uncle Joe!
posted by Dojie at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Definitely need a THAT'S A BUNCH OF MALARKEY! bumper sticker.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


There should be malarkey signs!
posted by zachlipton at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump has "not a clue about the middle class"
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


He has no clue, period.

Joe is going full Trump attack dog.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Crowd: Donald Who?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016


BIDEN IS ON FIYAAAH!
posted by ramix at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016


Time to dial it back before we regret you didn't throw your hat in the ring, Joe...
posted by uosuaq at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016


Biden has given enough let him go back home to sit under his own vine and fig tree.
posted by vuron at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Footnote: "American Woman" is a Canadian song.

Guess Who (not rhetorical).
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Everyone is changing "not a clue" and Joe's like what have I done?
posted by zachlipton at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


xanadu? what are they chanting?
posted by kanewai at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


NOT A CLUE! NOT A CLUE!
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


What was THAT chant?

I love my party but goddamn we cannot hold a chant
posted by schadenfrau at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


ok who brought the cowbell
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nevermind chanting's okay
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Let me finish" means "I'm gonna do a really sound byte friendly bit here so shut up" -- AND I LOVE IT.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


I love that he got quieter.
posted by mochapickle at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


"You all know. All of the Republicans know. That's not who we are."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


This dude can really, really work a room.
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Oh my God all these people are going to be going after Trump full time for three months

This is beautiful
posted by schadenfrau at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


Embraces the tactics of our enemies.
posted by OmieWise at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


If you think you hate Hillary because of her ties to the banking industry but you think Joe Biden is swell, then your problem with Hillary is not her ties to the banking industry, because there aren't very many people in DC who are as cosy with the banking industry as Biden is. So yeah. I think it's straight-up misogyny.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [59 favorites]


Joe is whispering into the mic. The man knows how to play the room.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Awww man I thought they were chanting DIAMOND JOE for a sec
posted by jason_steakums at 6:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is an incredibly good speech. He's tearing into Trump!
posted by zarq at 6:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I still can't get over the fact that there's a woman in the audience that looks just like Chelsea Clinton only fully adult.
posted by bongo_x at 6:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Oh no, I find all the chanting annoying

But there are levels of assholism, come on
posted by schadenfrau at 6:24 PM on July 27, 2016


How many speakers over the last few days have been able to quiet the crowd to a hush so he could speak to truth?
posted by lampshade at 6:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


less cowbell
posted by rodeoclown at 6:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


ok who brought the cowbell

Not nearly enough people. More needed.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]




These USA chants make me queasy ...
posted by dis_integration at 6:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ok, in retrospect, a chant of "Diamond Joe!" would have been delightful
posted by schadenfrau at 6:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


"It's never been a good bet to bet against America."

Like except in like men's footballsoccer.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Came home late and found my non-mefie roommate already on the couch with metafilter pulled up. (HI SADIE!) I've been sharing comments from the site with her as we became complete cspan convention junkies and it's beautiful.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


I see a ton of Republicans voting for Hillary after hearing Biden giving this speech
posted by Tarumba at 6:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


OK, that U-S-A! made sense.
posted by dw at 6:25 PM on July 27, 2016




Came home late and found my non-mefie roommate already on the couch with metafilter pulled up. (HI SADIE!)

sup Sadie
posted by Greg Nog at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


Ho. Lee. Shit. Go Joe.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am aware of both the lyrical content and the provenance of "American Woman" ... It would be wildly inappropriate ... That's why I mentioned it.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Joe's speech has slowly deteriorated over the last few years. This bit of slur really isn't unusual.

But man is he tearing it up!!
posted by wallabear at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Uh....Joe....

I kinda wish what you were saying was true, but like...
posted by schadenfrau at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I could basically do without "we have an army" USA! USA! vibes in basically any context. I'm glad he moved on from "might" to "progress" fairly quickly.
posted by cortex at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Ordinary people like us, who do extrodinary things...
posted by anastasiav at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


And then the Sanders supporters realize that Diamond Joe is to the right of Hillary and they are incredibly confused.
posted by dw at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Jesus fucking christ kill the goddamn cowbell already that's not Christoper Walken up there asking for more.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Please don't kill me but also charisma, I think.

Rebecca Traister addresses this:
But if, as in this election, a man who spews hate and vulgarity, with no comprehension of how government works, can become presidentially plausible because he is magnetic while a capable, workaholic woman who knows policy inside and out struggles because she is not magnetic, perhaps we should reevaluate magnetism’s importance. It’s worth asking to what degree charisma, as we have defined it, is a masculine trait. Can a woman appeal to the country in the same way we are used to men doing it? Though those on both the right and the left moan about “woman cards,” it would be impossible, and dishonest, to not recognize gender as a central, defining, complicated, and often invisible force in this election. It is one of the factors that shaped Hillary Clinton, and it is one of the factors that shapes how we respond to her. Whatever your feelings about Clinton herself, this election raises important questions about how we define leadership in this country, how we feel about women who try to claim it, flawed though they may be.

Can we broaden our idea of presidential charisma beyond great men giving great speeches?
posted by palindromic at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [53 favorites]


Oh jesus, call back to "project for a new american century"
posted by mrzarquon at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Biden is taking us to CHURCH!!
posted by ramix at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hi Sadie
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Why do the same people who say Clinton is Republican-lite love Joe Biden? He's far less liberal than she is?

Misogyny."

Please don't kill me but also charisma, I think.


Eh it's not like anybody disputes that some people have more charisma than others, and it seems to be important in this kind of context.

But... doesn't charisma itself seem to be gendered? Like: the only woman I can remotely think of describing as charismatic is Oprah Winfrey.

So what if the characteristics that we associate with charisma (which we agree is important to political success) are also ones we tend to attribute to men?

Or what if the characteristics that we attribute to charisma are also ones that are antithetical to the ones we demand of the very few women we allow to rise through the ranks of any organization?

Or even what if we let so few women rise through those ranks that the odds of finding a woman who meets the rigors of being brilliant enough, and connected enough, and effective in accomplishing things enough -- AND also happen to be charismatic on top of that -- are relatively low?

Then we can always ascribe some portion of a woman politician's lack of popularity to her lack of charisma.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


I mean I know what he's saying but we do sometimes move backward and sometimes we do stupid things out of fear
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016


The whispering section was brilliant, it made everyone just shut up and listen.
posted by octothorpe at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Aw, I love this optimism. I am a sucker and I love every minute.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh, I wish it was true that we don't scare easily.
The people who actually handle the danger and the tough decisions usually don't scare easily.
America by and large goes batshit insane at every little thing because too many media services and politicians like it that way.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Diamond Joe absolutely killed it!
posted by usonian at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, that took a turn.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can I get a "Not A Clue" bumper stickersomewhere?
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm with cortex on this, that "finest fighting force" comment is not what we need.
posted by Grimp0teuthis at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Biden: We lead not by just the example of our power, but the power of our example.
posted by mochapickle at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


HIGHER AND HIGHER!
posted by Talez at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016


Wow that was a good speech. The end was meh, but there were some hot spots for sure.
posted by eclectist at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016


Biden was thunder and lightning!
posted by Ber at 6:27 PM on July 27, 2016


pocketfullofrye:

Michelle Obama is charismatic, deeply so.
posted by argybarg at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


Oh Joe. Don't ever change. We're going to miss you so much.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016


I love the cowbell. It's like the Price is Right. DIAMOND JOE, COME ON DOWN!
posted by Rhaomi at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


With the encore walk-by!
posted by gilrain at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016


GOOD GOD YALL THAT WAS LIKE THE IRL VERSION OF THE PRESIDENTS SPEECH IN INDEPENDENCE DAY

JOE BIDEN BROKE MY CAPSLOCK KEY
posted by nakedmolerats at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


That ending was not my favorite, but it was the right speech at the right time.
posted by peacheater at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Now can we make the Statue of Liberty fucking dance again America will be all right.
posted by Talez at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


One thing Joe freakin nailed was that debate against Paul Ryan. That's my best real Biden memory. It was like he "Let the grown-ups talk"-ed Ryan.
posted by drezdn at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


"DON'T FUCKING FORGET IT"

--Joe Biden
(*may not be 100% accurate transcript)
posted by rp at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Joe Biden just made me proud to be an American. And I'm not even American! That's gotta be the mark of a pretty good speech, right?!
posted by Soulfather at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


Take that, treasonous Trump! Joe's got a big heart and big hands, Donald.
posted by madamjujujive at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


OK. If you want to go full-on American exceptionalism without having to say it, he did it.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


C'MAAAAAAAN! (yay!)
posted by Dressed to Kill at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Joe Biden is my favorite uncle.
posted by Short Attention Sp at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


(Pay up your five bucks, Sadie.)
posted by wenestvedt at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


May God protect our troops
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016


I'm disappointed that when I went to look at the Wikipedia page for Joe Biden my predictive search brought up Joe Jonas and Joe DiMeowgio from Neko Atsume first
posted by zutalors! at 6:28 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why in the HELL are they using "Come Together" for the music?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




Compare Cory Booker's strained shouting to Biden's whisper.

That's the voice (literally) of experience. And mad skillz.
posted by Superplin at 6:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


WOOOOOOOOOOO ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL

(Kasim's a pretty good mayor too.)
posted by Panjandrum at 6:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Like: the only woman I can remotely think of describing as charismatic is Oprah Winfrey.

I mean, not only are you wrong, there have been plenty of examples at this very convention for you to experience.
posted by Celsius1414 at 6:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [31 favorites]


Okay, but did Biden call dibs on the rocky theme? Or was it just awarded to him by committee?
posted by dinty_moore at 6:29 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm disappointed that when I went to look at the Wikipedia page for Joe Biden my predictive search brought up Joe Jonas and Joe DiMeowgio from Neko Atsume first

Google is contextually aware... Have you been doing some Disney Channel searches lately? >_>
posted by Talez at 6:29 PM on July 27, 2016


Yeah, this speech was aimed at Republicans. A good thing, I think.
posted by zarq at 6:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Well I got a phone call and missed the Biden's speeches, now 340 new comments. I heard the married up part, though.
posted by Oyéah at 6:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]



Google is contextually aware... Have you been doing some Disney Channel searches lately?


oh yes I blame myself
posted by zutalors! at 6:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hi Sadie! More fun can be had for 5 dollars, same as in town.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Biden is almost from Philadelphia, so it seems fair for him to get the Rocky theme.
posted by madcaptenor at 6:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Thanks Joe, sometimes it's good to remember that pride and being inspired can point us towards good things, and that being perfect can be the enemy of the good. Now let's earn the praise Dr. Biden just gave us all as a country.
posted by Drumhellz at 6:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


People understand, right, that convention speeches are a sales pitch and may not necessarily track every historical and sociocultural bump in the historical road? That doesn't mean anyone is lying or deluded or believes every word they are saying.
posted by OmieWise at 6:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Well I got a phone call and missed the Biden's speeches

Could be worse.

Fun fact: When Kasim Reed was elected mayor he got a call on his phone from a number he didn't recognize, so he didn't answer. He was later told the phone call was Obama calling to congratulate him.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [43 favorites]


biden can blow me: bapcpa sellout

See, this is the Dems' purity problem: if a Delaware senator voting for Delaware stuff is unacceptable (or an Iowa senator voting for corn subsidies or Franken and Klobuchar voting against the ACA's medical device tax on behalf of Medtronic) then you're going to have to abolish the Senate or the states.
posted by holgate at 6:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


who gets to pick the music?
posted by marguerite at 6:32 PM on July 27, 2016


Why in the HELL are they using "Come Together" for the music?

That showed up for the first time on day 1, during the decidedly shaky desperate-bid-for-unity opening in the face of the most obnoxious chanting/booing period.

I haven't heard nearly as much music sting recycling here as at the RNC but they definitely have some go-to stuff ready to go. Billy Joel's had a couple shots too.
posted by cortex at 6:32 PM on July 27, 2016


You know how some albums have all good songs, some of the songs might be up tempo and get you fired up, some songs are mellow and get you thinking back about all the good times and the bad, some get you in a mood to dance, some get you in a mood to cry.

This DNC has basically been one of those sorts of albums. Lots of different songs that are each individually awesome but taken as a whole it weaves a musical tapestry.

On the other hand the RNC was basically one long dirge where you just kept hearing the same notes over and over.
posted by vuron at 6:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Even Redstate!

The Trump Subreddit Creates a “Safe Space” for Special Snowflake Donald Trump’s AMA

There's an entire subreddit dedicated to people who were banned from it called r/BannedFromThe_Donald
posted by ThreeCatsBob at 6:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


You know how sometimes it's easy to get sucked into those silly Facebook "quizzes" that purport to give you special insights, like "What Harry Potter character are you?" or "Find out your dream car!"? I wonder if the speakers know, in advance, the entrance and exit music chosen for them or if it's a revelation. If I were a speaker, I'd be all, "Huh. Magic Carpet Ride. I wonder why." and then I'd think about it obsessively and feel different whenever I heard that song. It would be the FB quiz come to life.
posted by carmicha at 6:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Biden is almost from Philadelphia, so it seems fair for him to get the Rocky theme.


He's also certainly the speaker most likely to have punched a side of beef hanging from a hook.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [33 favorites]


Speaking as a teacher, a veteran, and someone who finds American exceptionalism skeevy:

Apart from my earlier comment, I'm fine with everything he said. A little oo-rah like this is fine. He didn't overdo it. He certainly didn't get bloodthirsty or gross.

And I'm really grateful for any politician who notes the sacrifices teachers make. Our government should be throwing money at education like it's a national security crisis. Until they do, I'll be glad for the ones who at least recognize how grim it is.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Our formerly Republican mayor, on the stage of the DNC. Hot damn.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


"....putting his name on a tower that he probably doesn't own." - Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed is GOING FOR IT
posted by everybody had matching towels at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Bloomberg.
posted by zarq at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016


Fun fact: When Kasim Reed was elected mayor he got a call on his phone from a number he didn't recognize, so he didn't answer. He was later told the phone call was Obama calling to congratulate him.

never not answering my phone again

"Hello?

. . .

Is this Presiden--

I DON'T WANT A FREE CRUISE DAMN IT!"
posted by sallybrown at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Even if I don't agree with it, I understand the value of the red meat portion of Biden's speech. White guys do vote after all. MINIATURE AMERICAN FLAGS FOR ALL!!!
posted by dry white toast at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


(Thank you for your comments regarding charisma, I was writing a comment about how Michelle Obama is charismatic and then I realized it's probably because her public role is more traditionally feminine)
posted by Tarumba at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


El Bloombito!
posted by tonycpsu at 6:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


People understand, right, that convention speeches are a sales pitch and may not necessarily track every historical and sociocultural bump in the historical road?

We do but frustratingly it never seems to be the right time to talk about the shitty bipartisan cult of American exceptionalism.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


On the other hand the RNC was basically one long dirge where you just kept hearing the same notes over and over.


Scott Walker and Sun O))) shrieking "HORROORRRRRR"
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'd pay $20 if a 55 gallon solid steel drum of Nickelodeon brand green slime fell on Jeffery Lord while he was talking.


(please note, I mean the whole drum, not just the slime)
posted by splen at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Joe Biden just made me proud to be an American. And I'm not even American! That's gotta be the mark of a pretty good speech, right?!

Me too! Me neither! Hell yeah!
posted by haapsane at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Watching Biden speeches is like some kind of live one-person West Wing, from like right around mid to late season 2.

And apart from whatever else that speech was, it's such a smart, smart contextual setup for Obama's impending smackdown.
posted by Dormant Gorilla at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Mayor Dinkins is there!
posted by zarq at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is the purple tie symbolic?
posted by madcaptenor at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


completely digging Bloomberg's symbolically purple tie here.
posted by shelbaroo at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


🍻 Sadie
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:34 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wasn't he going to run as an Independent for a hot minute back in March?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bloomberg, legit rich guy, here to tear Trump one a new one the way only he can!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Oh, this is aimed straight at the Republicans. Hold your butts.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


I believe that technically our founding fathers came as Southern Motherfucking Democratic Republicans.
posted by stet at 6:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Some background on Mr Bloomberg, in case you need it.
posted by sideshow at 6:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is the purple tie symbolic?
He's indepeeeeeendent.
posted by mochapickle at 6:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have no fucking idea why Bloomberg is on my TV.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:35 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


hahahahahaha, yes, boos for the charter school disaster, thank you!
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I don't watch much TV and haven't seen much live-action Bloomberg, but my god, he's like a Martin Short character.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Wait. Wait wait wait wait wait. Did Bloomberg think they wanted him to come speak at the DNC so he could talk about himself?
posted by schadenfrau at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ah, Mayor My-eyes-are-up-here.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016


completely digging Bloomberg's symbolically purple tie here.

That there is Tyrian purple. Trust me.
posted by Justinian at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Why in the HELL are they using "Come Together" for the music

Is Wikileaks going to dump something about "toejam football" we don't know? Pre-emptive strike?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, this is aimed straight at the Republicans. Hold your butts.

Wow, yeah, this is kind of awesome. I hope it reaches some people.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


he's like a Martin Short character.

oh it gets better
posted by Greg Nog at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bloomberg and dangerous demigod.
posted by AlexiaSky at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I built a business, and I didn't start it with a million dollar check from my father."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [40 favorites]


(Thank you for your comments regarding charisma, I was writing a comment about how Michelle Obama is charismatic and then I realized it's probably because her public role is more traditionally feminine)

I mean, my rhetorical questions really were rhetorical, but it does occur to me that some of the elements that we call "charisma" in a man -- connecting with people, being interested in them, making them feel special, being attractive in some undefinable way -- are often thought of as "sexy" or "flirtatious" in a woman.

And I think a lot of us are fine with a "sexy" male president (lots of people are way into Obama and Bill Clinton) but not a "sexy" female president.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 6:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Haha, and he just called Trump a demagogue!
posted by mochapickle at 6:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


And I repeat: most of us here are not the target audience for this speech. And I'll take votes from business Republicans if that's what keeps Trump out of office.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [29 favorites]


I'm with cortex on this, that "finest fighting force" comment is not what we need.

Tonight is not aimed at the Metafilter vote, I don't think.
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Let the dick bank account measuring commence!
posted by Panjandrum at 6:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


"A problem-solver not a bomb-thrower"
posted by zarq at 6:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]




"I started a business and I didn't start it with a million dollar check from my faaaatha."

Big cheers on that.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


T.D. Strange: "I have no fucking idea why Bloomberg is on my TV."

He's not talking to the Democratic faithful in the room. He's talking to the persuadable independents and Republicans at home.
posted by mhum at 6:37 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Wow, Bloomberg is relatively on fire, for Bloomberg.
posted by anastasiav at 6:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Are they going to see it?
posted by Artw at 6:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]



I have no fucking idea why Bloomberg is on my TV.


Ooh! I know this one! An entrepreneur turned Republican politician who is on paper same as Trump wants to be but is so horrified by him he is getting behind the Democrats.
posted by zutalors! at 6:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [41 favorites]


Yeah yesterday felt like "step to the left" day and today feels like "step towards the center" day. But some of that is because historically international affairs and the military are on Republican brand.
posted by penduluum at 6:38 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I built a business and I didn't start it with a million dollar check from my father."

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH BILLIONAIRE BLOOMBURN
posted by palindromic at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


"I'm a New Yorker, and I know a con when I see one."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [64 favorites]


"god help us."
posted by stet at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I don't think we're the primary target audience for this speech.
posted by Tarumba at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Trump says he wants to run the nation like he's running his business? God help us!"
posted by jason_steakums at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Bloomberg: "I'm a New Yorker and I know a con when I see one."
posted by mochapickle at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


He's not talking to the Democratic faithful in the room. He's talking to the persuadable independents and Republicans at home.

And Bernie supporters who don't see their *ideal* candidate on the ticket.

[*edit*]
posted by filthy light thief at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Trump says he wants to run the nation like he runs his business? God help us! I'm a New Yorker, and I know a con when I see one."
posted by zarq at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Zombie I just had an image of the wolf of wallstreet peeps rolling on the floor in catnip.
posted by AlexiaSky at 6:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


OK, the con line was good.
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


God help us.
posted by anastasiav at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016


Bloomberg has issues, but he is on the right side of history tonight. Don't shit on him.
posted by gatorae at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


I guess I thought that was Tim Kaine's role, not the guy who was threatening an independent bid 2.5 months ago.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016


Wow, Bloomberg is relatively on fire, for Bloomberg.

Steaming like a street vendor hot dog?
posted by Panjandrum at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bill laughing his ass off.
posted by Talez at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


but not a "sexy" female president.

Kamala Harris was on Morning Joe this morning and the smooth way she spoke along with her fluid hand gestures was the definition of "charismatic" to me. I feel icky calling someone "sexy" but I think it comes close to what I'm talking about. More mesmerizing that "oooh hey sexay."
posted by sallybrown at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Artw: "Are they going to see it?"

Probably not live but he's dropping quotable soundbites for the news.
posted by mhum at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016


(Bill giggling in the audience.)
posted by mochapickle at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


They should have named this segment "Seriously, disaffected Republicans, we're not that scary, and you're kinda cool."
posted by dw at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


"The richest thing about Donald Trump is his hypocrisy."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


The richest thing about Donald trump is his hypocrisy
posted by wabbittwax at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Trump says he wants to run hthe country like he runs his business?! Gawd help us. (Big Cheers) I'm a New Yorker and I know a con when I see one. (Huge cheers)
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is Bloomberg saying all the things that the "main stream media" is too scared to say?
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


That shot of Bill Clinton laughing needs to be a reaction GIF.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


"Truth be told, the richest thing about Donald Trump is his hypocrisy."
posted by joedan at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not the most charismatic guy, but he's nailing it.
posted by wallabear at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I had my doubts about Bloomberg, and don't like him personally, but having him attack the business side of Trump from a position of authority is surprisingly brilliant.
posted by codacorolla at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


I don't think we're the primary target audience for this speech.

It's for us to send to our Republican grandmas.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Bloomberg is sticking the knife in and twisting it.

So much of Trump's image is built on the idea that he's some great businessman and he's not.

Bloomberg is close enough to know that and he's trusted enough that a whole lot of white business types are going to listen.
posted by vuron at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [45 favorites]


So here I am saving a Michael Bloomberg quote for later. This is madness.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Given the way the scumbag decided to encourage espionage from Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if W and HW showed up tomorrow to endorse Hillary.

Crazy, right? But apparently my expectations meter is broken, so why the hell not?
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


There will be so many great reaction GIFs from the RNC and DNC.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


completely digging Bloomberg's symbolically purple tie here.

That there is Tyrian purple. Trust me.


Bloomberg, Serene Doge of New Amsterdam
posted by Panjandrum at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think the kids call this "getting dragged".
posted by penduluum at 6:41 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


I was wondering why Bloomberg was speaking tonight, but I get it now.
posted by mollweide at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Having Bloomberg give this speech is a stroke of brilliance. It speaks to the undecideds. It reinforces the message that Hillary is an exceptional listener who knows how to work with both sides of the aisle.
posted by mcduff at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


"I understand the appeal of the businessman President." I'm sure you do, Mike. I'm sure you do.
posted by maudlin at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is what respectable shade looks like.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Now that I think about it, did the Republicans even manage to find the traditional aisle-crossing politician to deliver the crossover appeal this year? I don't think they did....
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


And Bernie supporters who don't see their ideal candidate on the ticket.

yeah, Sanders's people love Bloomberg
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


"This is not reality television. This is reality."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton is not flawless, no candidate is"

TATTOO THIS ACROSS MY FACEBOOK FEED
posted by kalimac at 6:42 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Bloomberg isn't a great speaker. If he ran for mayor of a city where people actually listened to each other, he would have lost.
posted by zachlipton at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Given the way the scumbag decided to encourage espionage from Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if W and HW showed up tomorrow to endorse Hillary.

Ya know I'm really wouldn't be surprised to see Jeb endorse. What does have to lose?
posted by nathan_teske at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, he's talking to the horrified Republicans and right-leaning Indies out there. We need this.
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


"This is not reality TV, this is reality."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, Bloomberg is one of the least charismatic people on the planet other than Ted Cruz. But he is killing it with this speech.
posted by zarq at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


STONEWALL NAME CHECK!
posted by dry white toast at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yeah, ok. Thanks for this Bloomie. This is pretty great.
posted by schadenfrau at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


give the man some water
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


When the equivocation party can't support your presidential candidate you're in trouble.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ugh who keeps whistling?
posted by Tarumba at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Not sure I like connecting Selma, Stonewall, and 9/11, but I guess they had to work that in there somehow.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016


This makes Peter Thiel's speech look like the opportunistic pile of shit that it was.
posted by codacorolla at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [39 favorites]


Mister Fabulous: Given the way the scumbag decided to encourage espionage from Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if W and HW showed up tomorrow to endorse Hillary.

Crazy, right?


That would be amazing.

I'll still be happy with a conservative saying "Saint Reagan said 'Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall,' not 'spy on my opponents."
posted by filthy light thief at 6:43 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's not talking to the Democratic faithful in the room. He's talking to the persuadable independents and Republicans at home.

Yeah, this implied worry that appealing to Republicans is bad because you won't appeal to Bernie supporters has to die. This election is ultimately a litmus test of who in America is horribly racist, straight-up irrational and/or incurably gullible, and who is not. The long and growing list of Republican foreign policy professionals denouncing Trump isn't a sign that Clinton is a stealth Republican; that list is an uplifting show of people who understand that some things are more important than party labels.

Democrats should be appealing to everyone all across the spectrum and I'm happy whenever I see them do it.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [39 favorites]


FEEAHHHH New Yorkers, is his accent always this strong?
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh yea, the tie was intentional.
posted by danapiper at 6:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Let's elect a sane, competent person with international experience."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


OK the fact that a dude like Bloomberg now says stuff like "Selma and Stonewall" as a matter of course is so fucking awesome
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [36 favorites]


'A sane, competent person.'
posted by box at 6:44 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


This speech is like when the queen bee mean girl of your 5th grade class is mocking someone and the coolest girl in 8th grade waltzes in and shuts her down.
posted by sallybrown at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [41 favorites]


"Let's elect a sane, competent person..."
posted by mochapickle at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sooo, you think Trump's gonna go off on Bloomberg? Will Trump be that stupid?
posted by SillyShepherd at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016


Dang. If this is how the opening acts are roasting Trump, I don't know what the heck Obama's got in store.
posted by mhum at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bloomberg wrote what I thought was a very thoughtful piece on why he *wasn't* doing an independent bid because it was going to be bad for the country. I'm not going to slam him for considering it when he decided not to for exactly the reasons why it was a terrible idea. I have a lot of respect for someone who has lots of people trying to flatter them into doing something like this and, unlike Trump, walks away. I might disagree with him about a lot of stuff, but I respect him for this. I saw a lot of people at the time who were tempted by the idea of a Bloomberg campaign, and it can't have been any less tempting for him.
posted by Sequence at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


"Let's elect a sane, competent person with international experience."

I AM ON BOARD WITH THIS MESSAGE!
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Angry Trump tweets about Bloomberg in 5,4,3...
posted by drezdn at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ugh who keeps whistling?

Biden, probably.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Yes to his accent. Be glad he didn't try to speak Spanish.
posted by zarq at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am loving the Bill reaction shots. There should be a Bill Cam in the bottom corner of the screen.
posted by mochapickle at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [38 favorites]


Ok, I was wrong. He crushed that.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Say what you will about the delivery, no one has been this incisive; every word cuts.
posted by ethansr at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


You know, I've always been a centrist, and although i always planned to vote for Hillary, Bloomberg really spoke to folks like me and my husband.
posted by ramix at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


The Bushes and Bill are besties, I'd bet they're voting Hillary and I hope they have the conviction to be public about it.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]




Bloomberg isn't a great speaker. If he ran for mayor of a city where people actually listened to each other


WTF
posted by zutalors! at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Um. Dude nailed that shit to the wall and framed it.
posted by Mooski at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


longdaysjourney, yes. His accent when he speaks Spanish is so New York that they made that El Bloombito twitter account to mock him.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:45 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


The debt King crown was perfect
posted by Torosaurus at 6:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


For Obama... There will be an empty chair on the stage. He'll come out and sit in it, then start slowly, as he warms up he stands up and kicks the chair out to emphasize a point.
posted by drezdn at 6:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


"a shitshow" hahahahahahah!!!!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:46 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


lol, zarq/roomthreeseventeen, thanks! Now I have to see if I can Google some examples of Bloomberg speaking Spanish.
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


This bit is not funny.
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]




Describing Donald'so debt plan as a "fucking shitshow" complete with chalkboard? Awesome. Their video people are on point.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Like: the only woman I can remotely think of describing as charismatic is Oprah Winfrey.

This is so off the wall I wonder if you're kidding. I don't really want to list out names any more than I would if someone said the only woman actor they'd ever heard of was Greta Garbo, but I could start with every non-politician female speaker at the DNC so far, not even just the actors who do it professionally.

The only genuinely charismatic male politician I've ever seen is Bill Clinton, and I was completely immune to his charms all through his presidency, just because I didn't like him back then. I found Biden fairly repulsive until well into his VP tenure even though I knew rationally that he wasn't and couldn't be faking all his emotions. There is such a thing as refusing to be charmed; if you're determined enough, you can do that to just about anyone. or any woman.
posted by queenofbithynia at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bloomberg is basically saying to Republicans, "You want a good economy, you want security, you want a nice world for your kids to inherit?" Get on board.

I know that the idea that Democrats represent the status quo and stability is anathema to some on Metafilter but we do not a successful campaign make.

This is the sort of speech that resonates well on Wall Street and Main Street. Now it just remains to be seen if people will listen or if they have been scared shitless.
posted by vuron at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Did "clusterfuck" make it in there lol
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tomorrow, I'm going to need a counter so I can monitor how many favorites I have left to give.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm seriously considering doing something I have literally never done: try to convince my libertarian mom to vote Democrat as a personal favor to me.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:47 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


WTF are the MSNBC people doing in NYC?
posted by zutalors! at 6:48 PM on July 27, 2016


Ha! Goofy hat-tip from a cheesehead-wearing woman who saw herself on the jumbotron.
posted by cortex at 6:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bloomberg on stage in a purple tie endorsing a democratic presidential candidate immediately following a speech from the sitting Vice President wherein he straight up Kitchener-finger-wagged the American people for being dumb and ok, I have read this AU and the tags did not do it justice.
posted by Dormant Gorilla at 6:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Are cheese hats distributed at birth in Wisconsin?
posted by goHermGO at 6:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


*looks for El bloombito on twitter*
posted by Tarumba at 6:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bloomberg wrote what I thought was a very thoughtful piece on why he *wasn't* doing an independent bid....
We cannot “make America great again” by turning our backs on the values that made us the world’s greatest nation in the first place. I love our country too much to play a role in electing a candidate who would weaken our unity and darken our future -- and so I will not enter the race for president of the United States.

However, nor will I stay silent about the threat that partisan extremism poses to our nation. I am not ready to endorse any candidate, but I will continue urging all voters to reject divisive appeals and demanding that candidates offer intelligent, specific and realistic ideas for bridging divides, solving problems, and giving us the honest and capable government we deserve.
Huh. I respect this. And it looks like he's ready to endorse now. Good on him.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


I guarantee you this Bloomberg speech is like catnip to white suburbanites in VA and CO and NC.

The purple Charlotte burbs where the people with banking jobs live, who watched Pat McCrory turn from a moderate GOP mayor into a lackey governor, and just saw their 2017 NBA All-Star corporate hospitality packages vanish in a puff of transphobia? I suspect they are paying attention.
posted by holgate at 6:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]


Man. If Dubya came out and publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton it would shatter my Fox News-fed mom's entire worldview. I think her system would crash.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


I don't know if I liked that video spot at all. You go from Bloomberg with his passioned appeal to independents and conservatives, and follow it up with censored swearing. Part of that group the Democrats are trying to appeal to *is* social conservatives. What the hell?
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


There was just a dancing man who made me irrationally happy.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I suspect there are more American voters who share Bloomberg's politics (minus the public health stuff, probably) than share Bernie's. For what it's worth. I wish it weren't that way, but I think it probably is.

According to Wikipedia, Bloomberg is probably the 8th richest person in the world. I hadn't realized he was quite *that* rich.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


You know, some people do believe the rich got that way for a reason. And they vote. Bloomberg is the DNC answer the the RNC Peter Thiel. I am feeling rather perverse, so I sort of like: better production, better music, better speakers, better celebrities, and... richer rich person. Net worth ~40B vs ~3B.
posted by gilrain at 6:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Are cheese hats distributed at birth in Wisconsin?

Yes. My brother was gifted his in the hospital room, instead of wool cap. And this is why he has one and I don't. Sad.
posted by ultranos at 6:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Loving the moment when people realize that they're on the jumbotron and start dancing.
posted by octothorpe at 6:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dude in the pink shirt and the streamers for a hat who freaked out when he saw himself on the monitor = my favorite.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:50 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


*enters fugue state of lust*
posted by sallybrown at 6:51 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Cinna!
posted by stet at 6:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yeah Trump can't really hit back and call Bloomberg a loser or whatever.
posted by zutalors! at 6:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Shout out to the woman on C-SPAN who was the only one standing and dancing in her section. It's Lenny Kravitz damn it. He's not wearing all those sexy scarves for his health. Get off your asses.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Are cheese hats distributed at birth in Wisconsin?

Judging by the condition of our local cheese head's, yes. And it's issued for life.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah yesterday felt like "step to the left" day and today feels like "step towards the center" day.

Jump to the right, surely?
posted by tobascodagama at 6:52 PM on July 27, 2016 [38 favorites]


I really, really loved Bloomberg's speech. I know he's not many people's favorite person - I seem to recall by the time he lost the mayorship of NYC, a huge swath of NYC progressives were seriously pissed at him... But he's the perfect person to make this argument, which SO MANY Americans need to be brought around to, namely that if you think of yourself as "neither party," you need to evaluate the candidates and only one comes out sane enough. Like, I can disagree with him about privatization of education and other public sector things, but we can agree that that's a debate we can only have between rational parties, and Trump is not rational. So for the sake of our country, let's avert that danger, then we can have the actual debate again.
posted by dnash at 6:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [44 favorites]


I don't know if I liked that video spot at all. You go from Bloomberg with his passioned appeal to independents and conservatives, and follow it up with censored swearing. Part of that group the Democrats are trying to appeal to *is* social conservatives. What the hell?

my dad now disgruntledly sipping his glass of cab while listening to the bleeping
posted by sallybrown at 6:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is the sort of speech that resonates well on Wall Street and Main Street.

Also, having another rich guy from New York savage him on national TV is going to drive Trump bananas. Count on Trump foaming at the mouth about Bloomberg at a press conference tomorrow.
posted by dry white toast at 6:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


The sax is a subtle dig at bill clinton.
posted by stet at 6:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]




Please do not cut back to Bill in the audience, we shouldn't see our future First Gentleman playing air sax.
posted by jamaro at 6:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Man. If Dubya came out and publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton it would shatter my Fox News-fed mom's entire worldview. I think her system would crash.

I am half expecting all the living presidents to walk out and endorse her en masse at some point in the next couple days.
posted by ethansr at 6:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


*enters fugue state of lust*

They're some fine detail on stage. dayum.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:54 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh me too Sallybrown. Me too!! I'm just drooling at the screen right now!
posted by ramix at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are cheese hats distributed at birth in Wisconsin?

Yes.


They must have lost mine in the mail :(.
posted by drezdn at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016


Man. If Dubya came out and publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton

And his brother, and his wife, and his mother (maybe poppy too if he's feeling well enough). That would be fucking epic.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I only have the audio up, did they let Bloomberg stop and frisk anyone of color on his way off stage
posted by Greg Nog at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


(That's not a period. That's a single tear)
posted by drezdn at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Please do not cut back to Bill in the audience, we shouldn't see our future First Gentleman playing air sax.


Let it never be said that MetaFilter is an echo chamber as we obviously sometimes have very different ideas about things.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [49 favorites]


OMG brunette who isn't sure what to make of Lenny and who is clapping off rhythm, I think I just fell in love with you.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I am half expecting all the living presidents to walk out and endorse her en masse at some point in the next couple days.

I am half expecting holograms of all the dead ones, too.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


I guess its true what they say: Krav don't crack
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016


There was just a dancing man who made me irrationally happy

There was a whole lotta dancing going on that put a big goofy grin on my face. I wish that is what the news would show.

The purple Charlotte burbs where the people with banking jobs live, who watched Pat McCrory turn from a moderate GOP mayor into a lackey governor, and just saw their 2017 NBA All-Star corporate hospitality packages vanish in a puff of transphobia? I suspect they are paying attention.


Oh hell yes. There was some whispering when rock stars pulled out of concerts and when corporations announced they would not be coming to NC but lose the NBA-- you better believe that was one mighty big spanking. That got a lot of people upset and voters angry at the dumbfuck sitting in the governor's mansion is all right by me.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


B. Obama has endorsed, B. Clinton already has, J. Carter already has, GW Bush and GHW Bush have pointedly not endorsed their candidate. So it's a decision the two have to make.
posted by hleehowon at 6:55 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm not a massive Bloombito fan but in comparison to Guiliani he was a breath of fresh air.

I prefer Democrats to Republicans obviously but Bloomberg was one of the few Republicans in recent years that I didn't mind.

The fact that most of his positions as NYC mayor were to the left of most of the Democrats in Texas also helped.
posted by vuron at 6:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ghost Nixon is going to be SO MAD about this Russia stuff
posted by zutalors! at 6:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


no not this againnnnn bring back the sax
posted by sallybrown at 6:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fight Song!
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Once again, half the cast from Pitch Perfect.
posted by rewil at 6:56 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I am half expecting all the living presidents to walk out and endorse her en masse at some point in the next couple days.

In my headcanon, that'll be her October surprise.
posted by tclark at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Turned to CNN for a second. I think my IQ dropped 30 points because of it.
posted by Yowser at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Bushes won't endorse, they wouldn't want to taint Jeb!'s 2020 bid.
posted by Behemoth at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clearly we're running early for Kaine so let's play Fight Song again.
posted by zachlipton at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re the charisma discussion:

I believe the point was that there aren't very many women publicly acknowledged as charismatic, not that charismatic women don't exist.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


this again?

they're all so wholesome, freshly scrubbed and smiling it is giving this cynical x-er hives
posted by entropicamericana at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Um. Guys, I will totally fucking jam fight song hard without any shame.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


I am half expecting holograms of all the dead ones, too.
Hillary is definitely going to be introduced tomorrow by the ghosts of Abraham Lincoln and FDR.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Is this the new will.i.am.?
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016


I had my doubts about Bloomberg, and don't like him personally, but having him attack the business side of Trump from a position of authority is surprisingly brilliant.

There are people in the business world perched at Bloomberg terminals every day. If this talks them off the Trump ledge - even a few of them - so be it.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ghost Nixon is going to be SO MAD about this Russia stuff

Ghost Nixon is already rolling in his grave about Jane Fonda being in a DNC ad saying "I've still got a lot of fight left in me".
posted by Talez at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Sigh, Lenny Kravitz!
posted by Oyéah at 6:57 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did Sia write this song? Because sure sounds like a song she wrote. (Don't mean that as a bad thing.)
posted by mudpuppie at 6:58 PM on July 27, 2016


Turned to CNN for a second. I think my IQ dropped 30 points because of it.

Do they still have one of those absolute batshit Trump apologists making insane arguments and yelling over people on their "panel"?
posted by dis_integration at 6:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


BUT ELLEN GREENE
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ghost Nixon is going to be SO MAD about this Russia stuff

Yup.
posted by ethansr at 6:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are cheese hats distributed at birth in Wisconsin?

Even cats and dogs are issued them as a matter of course.
posted by carmicha at 6:58 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Fuck, this again?
posted by homunculus at 6:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Beyoncé pretty much puts paid to the notion that there are no charismatic women.
posted by stet at 6:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Okay guys this is driving me crazy: who is the dude with the (faux?) blonde curls and goofy pink cap in this Our Fight Song video?
posted by ashirys at 6:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am half expecting all the living presidents to walk out and endorse her en masse at some point in the next couple days.

I'd like to see the living first ladies standing together for Hillary also. I somewhat doubt the Bush men will vote Clinton, but I am damn sure the Bush women will.
posted by sallybrown at 6:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Carmicha my life is complete
posted by Tarumba at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was meh about Fight Song last night, now I want to listen to it forever. Everyone is so happy! I have an actual scrap of hope!
posted by kalimac at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did Sia write this song?

You mean the "Fight Song"? It's by Sara Bareilles.
posted by dnash at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bobby Scott gets 867-5309?
posted by zachlipton at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016


.....That song sting for that intro makes even LESS sense.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016


they're all so wholesome, freshly scrubbed and smiling it is giving this cynical x-er hives

Millennials are now the largest generation.

Just 12 years til there are more Gen Xers than Boomers.
posted by dw at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ellen Greene, Kristen Chenoweth, Raul Esparza earlier today, what's the Bryan Fuller connection about?
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016


Dude, Sid Dithers got tan
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bobby Scott has quite a spiffy moustache! (Every other state has cooler politicians than Florida, it's not fair).
posted by hollygoheavy at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I only have the audio up, did they let Bloomberg stop and frisk anyone of color on his way off stage

@thegarance: "BLM activists in arena shouting 'stop and frisk' as Bloomberg wraps up #DemsInPhilly"
posted by DaDaDaDave at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Not every Pop Song is written or cowritten by Sia, just about 50% of them.
posted by vuron at 7:00 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Walk out to "Don't Fear the Reaper?'
posted by TrishaU at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


That brings up an interesting question, are there more living first ladies than presidents? Intuition would say yes.
posted by ethansr at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016


I can't help but think of Kathryn Hahn in Fight Song as actually being her character from Parks and Rec
posted by jason_steakums at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's by Sara Bareilles.

Google believes its by Rachel Platten.
posted by thefoxgod at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016


BTW the guy introducing Kaine is his likely (appointed) replacement, Rep. Bobby Scott.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


>Ghost Nixon is going to be SO MAD about this Russia stuff

Ghost Nixon is already rolling in his grave


Ghost Nixon is confused that his policies would be considered hard left in 2016 America
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Huh. Literally just found out the SO is (distantly) related to this guy.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016


So, I recognize like five of those people in the Fight Song montage, are they all famous and I'm just that out of it?
posted by Shutter at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


You mean the "Fight Song"? It's by Sara Bareilles.

That also makes sense.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:01 PM on July 27, 2016


Hippie Tim Kaine is kind of hot.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


"served as a Christian missionary in Honduras

translation: TIME TO COME HOME EVANGELICALS
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Tim Kaine might be inspiring me to get back to work on my Spanish skills!
posted by Jeanne at 7:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


ashirys: "Okay guys this is driving me crazy: who is the dude with the (faux?) blonde curls and goofy pink cap in this Our Fight Song video?"

That appears to be Mike Tompkins.
posted by mhum at 7:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah the Fight Song video is super corny but I am sort of thrilled that young women, typically ignored in these situations, are getting pandered to (should be more diverse though).
posted by everybody had matching towels at 7:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also, having another rich guy from New York savage him on national TV is going to drive Trump bananas. Count on Trump foaming at the mouth about Bloomberg at a press conference tomorrow.

Oh man this hadn't even occurred to me but you're totally right.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


This video does not do much to convince people Tim Kaine isn't boring.
posted by zachlipton at 7:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


So, I recognize like five of those people in the Fight Song montage, are they all famous and I'm just that out of it?

I recognize exactly one.
posted by peeedro at 7:03 PM on July 27, 2016




Sara Bareilles wrote "Brave" which I see being compared to "Fight Song" a lot but did not write "Fight Song".
posted by thefoxgod at 7:04 PM on July 27, 2016


Tim Kaine is not boring.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


That brings up an interesting question, are there more living first ladies than presidents? Intuition would say yes.

Tied now, 5 and 5 after Nancy Reagan.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


zachlipton: This video does not do much to convince people Tim Kaine isn't boring.

I disagree. I think it does a good job of showcasing his progressive cred.
posted by Superplin at 7:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I hope Kaine's got a zinger for the TPP chants that are likely to come.
posted by cashman at 7:05 PM on July 27, 2016


Who's voice is this in the Tim Kaine video? I feel like it's from a car insurance commercial. zzz
posted by gatorae at 7:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Tim Kaine is awesome!
posted by Tarumba at 7:05 PM on July 27, 2016


Let's be real though, being gently boring is a plus in 2016 of all years.
posted by yasaman at 7:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [47 favorites]


Brave is a much better song. Yeah I said it.
posted by numaner at 7:05 PM on July 27, 2016


You know what? Most of the important shit that gets done ain't exciting. It's boring as FUCK, and I'm glad people do it out of a sense of duty to the rest of us.
posted by Mooski at 7:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [45 favorites]


Get Ready Cause Here I Come....good intro.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I recognize exactly one.

Jane Fonda sounds exactly like Buffy Sainte-Marie, so I am pretty sure I was at -1 for a hot second before I looked up.
posted by kalimac at 7:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


They were already booing during the video. You could hear it right after the video ended.
posted by Tarumba at 7:06 PM on July 27, 2016


Tied now, 5 and 5 after Nancy Reagan.

Now I'm kind of hoping Hillary going to go on the Today Show with the rest of the First Ladies and endorses herself with a straight face...
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 7:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Count on Trump foaming at the mouth about Bloomberg at a press conference tomorrow.

Ugh, then that'd be another day where the office hours are devoted to trolly Trump having an episode, instead of the speeches tonight.

New York's richest could probably do the equivalent of pantsing Trump whenever they choose. When will they choose to do so?
posted by holgate at 7:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sincere ≠ Boring
posted by mochapickle at 7:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


@ElBloombito

El Trumpador es loco. No electo. God helpo.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


One of his kids is named Woody?
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Tim got mascara on his eye.
posted by cashman at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I missed Kaine's speech at the VP announcement rally on Saturday so this is my first exposure to his eyebrow game, and that is solid.
posted by cortex at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


so hilary's campaign strategy is to clown on trump until he goes full hulk during a press conference and mauls some reporters?

irresponsible.
posted by murphy slaw at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Tim took the stage backed by the a Temptations' "Get Ready" which is awfully close to the Stones' "Bitch."
posted by wabbittwax at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016


He is much less loose tonight than he was at the rally last week.
posted by sallybrown at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


OMG TIm Kaine is totally my gay uncle.

Or at least, the gay uncle I wished I had.
posted by kanewai at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Calling out to his peeps, that's alright.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I hope he just lists every friend and family member he can think of for 25 minutes and then says thank you and strolls away
posted by Greg Nog at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is kind of the real test isn't it Christians?
We have an actual Christian missionary on the platform that wants to help people.
If you and your vulgar megachurch go Trump instead then we'll all know that it's really just been about hate all along for y'all.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [74 favorites]


Omg was that his kid playing on his iPhone??? Lol
posted by mothershock at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Too bad McAuliffe screwed over Clinton with the press, saying she would change her mind about the TPP right after the election.
posted by Superplin at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm bringing you a love that's true,
So get ready,
GET READY!
 
posted by Herodios at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I swear, that looks like a Canadian flag lapel pin. Embarrassing mistake.
posted by gilrain at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016


El Trumpador es loco. No electo. God helpo.

OK you've convinced me. I've got to go read that Twitter account.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Kaine is so adorable, and his recognition to his family in the crowd sounded like he was introducing himself to Pat Sajak on The Wheel of Fortune.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tim got mascara on his eye.

Something is off about it, like it's bugging him. (Left eye.)
posted by sallybrown at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016


Why couldn't someone find Kaine a suit that fits?
posted by shiny blue object at 7:08 PM on July 27, 2016


That was a really long sentence.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've gotten so swept up in the speeches so far (or, most of them). Now I'm nervous Kaine isn't going to compare. *fingers crossed that his speech is super-inspiring*
posted by salvia at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016


He really does look like Jerry Gergich, doesn't he?
posted by stet at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I wonder how he'll treat Pence in the VP debates. Polite until pushed?
posted by filthy light thief at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


New York's richest could probably do the equivalent of pantsing Trump whenever they choose. When will they choose to do so?

Pretty sure that's what Bloomberg just did.
posted by dry white toast at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Celebs in the Fight Song video are listed at the top of the post. It was put together by the producer of the Pitch Perfect movies, hence the a capella arrangement. Many of the singers, actors and actresses in the video are from the Pitch Perfect movies, plus Mandy Moore, Kristen Chenoweth, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Jane Fonda, America Ferrara, Eva Longoria, etc, etc. The song was written by Rachel Platten. It was her first hit after years of struggling to make it in the music industry. And it has been a massive hit. The single went double platinum.
posted by zarq at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Yay, Minnesota!
posted by wenestvedt at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016


I'm trying not to get distracted by this but the man has no lips. None.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:09 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why couldn't someone find Kaine a suit that fits?

It's folksier this way
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


This guy looks like a leprechaun trying to remember what was on their grocery list.
posted by selfnoise at 7:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


he's pretty fabulous (kane)
posted by Dressed to Kill at 7:10 PM on July 27, 2016


There's at least one eyebrow sign in the audience too. Looking forward to more ^ ^
posted by Wulfhere at 7:10 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I like "men for others" as a line among the other speeches.
posted by wenestvedt at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I swear, that looks like a Canadian flag lapel pin. Embarrassing mistake.

Tim Kaine totally has a flags of the world lapel pin set.
posted by sporkwort at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


This is your dumbest comment yet this election season, which is quite a trick!

Quite.

It's not at all out of bounds to be pointing out where today's message -- as communicated by both the wording of the speeches and who was chosen to give them -- is at odds with yesterday's.

Bloomberg, for instance, is strongly associated with Stop & Frisk. If you were happy about the Mothers of the Movement yesterday, you should be pissed about Bloomberg today.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016


"Sumpin.."
posted by notyou at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016


Omg was that his kid playing on his iPhone??? Lol

He was sending out a fundraising mass mail; that was an intern
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Damn, HFA's Jess is like the obsesive girlfriend I never had.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh man, Kaine is making me yawn. Literally. It's not too late for a little more coffee, I guess.
posted by homunculus at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016


This is the first time I've seen what Tim Kaine looks like... Kind of like the result of a three-way with Joe Pesci, Robert DeNiro and Edward G Robinson
posted by wabbittwax at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016


Oh boy I think we need an @kainito. That spanish. It's. Acceptable.
posted by dis_integration at 7:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is essentially a rehash of the Saturday speech, which was a damn good speech. He's a nice guy who will be running the White House carpool to Sidwell Friends.
posted by dw at 7:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


If you were happy about the Mothers of the Movement yesterday, you should be pissed about Bloomberg today.

I mean, I'm not going to debate NYC politics here, but Trump is going to be a lot wore than Stop and Frisk.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Holy fuck a bilingual speech.
posted by dry white toast at 7:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I was hoping Kaine would talk about the nickname he got in highschool, like Gary Johnson revealed for Samathan Bee. (Spoiler: it's "Jaguar")
posted by filthy light thief at 7:12 PM on July 27, 2016


His Spanish accent is spot on!
posted by SillyShepherd at 7:12 PM on July 27, 2016


Oh damn this Spanish thing is honestly getting me a smidge emotional
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bill's like nah man, that's not how you do storytelling about your wife.
posted by cashman at 7:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Sumpin.."

Hey, some of us actually talk that way. Dudn't mean anything.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]



Bloomberg, for instance, is strongly associated with Stop & Frisk. If you were happy about the Mothers of the Movement yesterday, you should be pissed about Bloomberg today


This is the thing. I'm a New Yorker and well aware of Bloomberg's record on Stop and Frisk. I also think it was good that he spoke today.

People should recognize at least a 201 level of political literacy from others in these threads. I don't need these "lessons" thanks
posted by zutalors! at 7:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [68 favorites]


Yeah, his Spanish is authentic, not pandering.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I liked the exasperation that came through in his comment about schools getting integrated "so that black and white kids could finally learn together."
posted by salvia at 7:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Politics is mostly pandering, but who you pander to and how is important, because it communicates who you think your base is. Yesterday, the DNC tried to tell us that their base was the powerless. Today, they've invited people responsible for harassing and killing people who are supposed to be part of that base.

Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?
posted by tobascodagama at 7:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why couldn't someone find Kaine a suit that fits?

He's just showing that he's ready and is already dressing for a job in DC.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Aw, Holton.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:14 PM on July 27, 2016


His dad looks like a Republican. Confirmed.
posted by Yowser at 7:14 PM on July 27, 2016


I've heard this speech before. Maybe a sign I'm getting a bit too immersed in this politics thing?
posted by peacheater at 7:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Kaine seems like he's having a blast. It is a great look.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Oh boy I think we need an @kainito. That spanish. It's. Acceptable."

Huh I think his Spanish is impressive

(I'm a native speaker)
posted by Tarumba at 7:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


via Mrs. mbrubeck, Kaine’s lapel pin is a military service flag.
posted by mbrubeck at 7:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I mean, I'm not going to debate NYC politics here, but Trump is going to be a lot wore than Stop and Frisk.

So the fuck what? They could have got some other rich guy to diss Trump, if that's all Bloomberg was about.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:14 PM on July 27, 2016


Appeal to partisan voters: "Any party that would nominate Donald Trump has moved too far from [the] party of Lincoln."
posted by mochapickle at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Seems like a guy I'd wanna have a glass of milk with.
posted by Think_Long at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]


I dearly hope in the future that Kaine translates and presents all speeches from the President in Spanish.
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh boy I think we need an @kainito. That spanish. It's. Acceptable.

As a white guy who speaks Spanish but with a terrible accent and still can't roll the rr's, that's a complement. It's hard to mask an American accent even if you're fluent in the language.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I wish this speech was less of a retread of last weekend's. It's good, at least, but hopefully he's got something new to say.
posted by ashirys at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is my intro to Tim Kaine.
He seems to have leapt out of a Norman Rockwell painting.
I like him a lot. And I love his command of Spanish. Its effortless and doesnt sound pandery
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Okay I'm tuned in guys and gals, I want to hear my prez speak to the nation for perhaps the last time. Have a cig and bring the hope and change, commander.
posted by vrakatar at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Fe, familia y trabajo" is... not exactly a progressive slogan.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I lived in Richmond briefly in the late 80s and my best friends were a mixed-race couple.

Yeah, it's fair to say it was divided.
posted by Superplin at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016


Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?
posted by tobascodagama at 10:13 PM on July 27 [+] [!]


Yours.
posted by hollygoheavy at 7:15 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Visuals on and it's an okay speech. Audio only and it's kind of boring.
posted by kanewai at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016


Omg, cannot believe Gov. Holton is still among us. How awesome it must be for him to see his son-in-law get nominated as VP. He'll be 93 in September.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bloomberg, for instance, is strongly associated with Stop & Frisk. If you were happy about the Mothers of the Movement yesterday, you should be pissed about Bloomberg today.

He's also strongly associated with gun control, which MotM specifically mentioned yesterday as an issue important to them. Stop-and-frisk was a bad policy; Everytown is (I think) a force for good.
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Tough times don't last and tough people do."
posted by Superplin at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I love that they're cheering for his 94 votes. It's like they heard the setup and started cheering before they realized it was going to be a self-deprecating joke.
posted by stet at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tim got mascara on his eye.

Thanks now I can't stop looking at it
posted by numaner at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


So the fuck what? They could have got some other rich guy to diss Trump, if that's all Bloomberg was about.

"if Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons" -W. Churchhill
posted by Justinian at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


I think Tim Kaine just gave a path for the Log Cabin Republicans into the Democratic party.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Something that hadn't quite clicked isn't just how the entire Dem first team will be out stumping for Clinton, but how few surrogates Trump can draw upon, and how badly they're used. Today, for instance, Pence, Ryan, Giuliani and Gingrich all offered completely different statements on the "Russia, come and hack us" craziness.

There's so much more room on the Clinton side for top-tier people to go to places on her behalf and offer a message honed to those places, speaking to people's specific worries, drawing local media coverage. They can campaign with Senate and governor candidates too. Trump's got Pence and Jeff Sessions and basically that's it. And American campaigns are physically and mentally gruelling, which is why it's important to outsource the workload. That's another reason why I'm not focusing on nowcasts: I do not believe Trump has the stamina for another three months of campaigning.
posted by holgate at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Now everybody gets to hear about Richmond, my city. Yay!
posted by Tarumba at 7:16 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Politics is mostly pandering, but who you pander to and how is important, because it communicates who you think your base is. Yesterday, the DNC tried to tell us that their base was the powerless. Today, they've invited people responsible for harassing and killing people who are supposed to be part of that base.

Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?


Or maybe the world is more complicated than that.
posted by billyfleetwood at 7:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [48 favorites]


Men for others and similar mottos are a staple of Catholic universities and especially Jesuit ones.
posted by boo_radley at 7:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I mean, I'm not going to debate NYC politics here, but Trump is going to be a lot wore than Stop and Frisk.

Saying that Bloomberg didn't belong on that stage is not saying that Trump should be president, seriously. Let's not stop using our brains just because we're a little scared here, Jesus.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?

A lot of people. In a broad and imperfect way that's sometimes disappointing and occasionally infuriating. But they have more backs more of the time, and I'll take that while I push for politicians to do better on the issues I care about.
posted by zachlipton at 7:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


So the fuck what? They could have got some other rich guy to diss Trump, if that's all Bloomberg was about.

I don't love it either but I understand that there does have to be some level of bridge-building to moderate white people if we're going to have a winning coalition here.

Starting January 21 we will resume our role as the loyal opposition to the Democratic center-left establishment.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


I'm not judging. That coupla "sumpins" reminded me of Bud Korpenning and Tom Joad, heroes both.
posted by notyou at 7:17 PM on July 27, 2016


I love that listening is such a key feature for Hilary and now Kaine. Not only does it help her stand against Bill, an outstanding orator, but also against Trump, the blustering bully who shouts over everyone who disagrees with him.

This is what democracy is about.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:17 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Noisy Pink Bubbles: "Fe, familia y trabajo" is... not exactly a progressive slogan.

It's the "homeland" part that makes it not progressive, and that wasn't in his speech.
posted by Superplin at 7:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The little girl behind Bernie looks ready for bed.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Kaine needs to look up and out into the cameras more. It seems like he's keeping his eye contact down to the people on the hall floor in front of him - which is fine for those there live, but this is televised. Look up into the cameras more so those of us at home feel included. It's a small yet huge thing.
posted by dnash at 7:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?

I think there's room in the party for more than one point of view.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dude, he said it was a Lithuanian professor last time ಠ_ಠ
posted by sideshow at 7:18 PM on July 27, 2016


To my ear (y yo soy un hispanohablante) his Spanish is okay, not outstanding.
posted by joedan at 7:18 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Interesting how the speeches seem to alternate from pitching to the base and then pitching to independents / crossover Republicans. He talked about fighting for equity in the courts, then switched to talking about how Virginia was named the best state for business.
posted by salvia at 7:18 PM on July 27, 2016


"We should all feel the Bern, and we should all want to make sure we don't get burned by the other guy."

Well that was nicely handled!
posted by schadenfrau at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


"We all should feel the Bern, and we all should not want to be burned by the other guy"
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


And I repeat: most of us here are not the target audience for this speech.

NO BIG TENT! NO BIG TENT! NO BIG TENT!
posted by bongo_x at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Isn't "Hey guys, Republucans are the party of Lincoln and therefore the dems are the real racists" the entire point of that shitty Hilarry documentary?
posted by Artw at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016


"Fe, familia y trabajo" is... not exactly a progressive slogan.

Faith, family, and work != Labor, family, fatherland.
posted by dw at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


That was a nice transition to quiet down the Bernie chants.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


>Dayum, Mr. Kaine!
posted by Sophie1 at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


"Can I tell you a funny thing about the Senate?"

I doubt it.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bloomberg wasn't being endorsed by the Democrats, he was the one doing the endorsing.

Sometimes politics makes for strange bedfellows, ehh?
posted by vuron at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Honestly, he should wrap up his speech now and just play the harmonica.
posted by zachlipton at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Can I tell you a funny thing.."

to be honest Kaine I don't believe you have that skill, no
posted by Greg Nog at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


He's aw shucksing middle america's brains out right now.
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


Tim Kaine has lots of substance but needs style. Punch it up dude!
posted by vrakatar at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Saying that Bloomberg didn't belong on that stage is not saying that Trump should be president, seriously.

And Bloomberg's stop-and-frisk record does not negate the entire rest of his career and invalidate any other thing he will say for the rest of his life, up to and including "I'm an independent and I am supporting Hillary".

Let's not stop using our brains just because we're a little scared here, Jesus.

Same all around.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


Wow. Apparently Tim Kaine is the kind of guy who says, "Can I tell you about x", and who actually waits for you to say "Sure Tim, go ahead and tell me about x."
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [52 favorites]


"Do all the good you can and serve one another."
posted by mochapickle at 7:20 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]




I'm serious, does anyone know what that lapel pin is?
posted by gilrain at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016


Politics is mostly pandering, but who you pander to and how is important, because it communicates who you think your base is. Yesterday, the DNC tried to tell us that their base was the powerless. Today, they've invited people responsible for harassing and killing people who are supposed to be part of that base.

Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?


Yesterday they invited the people they want to directly help. Inviting Bloomberg was about pointing out that it's in almost everyone's interest to make sure that our next President isn't el orange chucabara. He was giving a "The enemy of my enemy" speech there.
posted by Francis at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]




Honestly, he should wrap up his speech now and just play the harmonica.

That would be awesome, and frankly, a bit better than continuing to list all the committees he serves on.
posted by salvia at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


'Men for Others' was the motto of my all-boys Jesuit high school. Then it went co-ed, and they switched it to 'Men and Women for Others.' An idealistic priest is probably advocating for 'People for Others' as I write this.
posted by box at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm pretty sure the pin on Kaine's lapel is the flag that military families (maybe only families of Marines, not entirely sure) display in their front windows when their loved one is deployed.
posted by cooker girl at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


He's great speaking off script, he's opening up here in the second half of the speech, the first part was a bit tense.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?
posted by tobascodagama at 10:13 PM on July 27 [+] [!]

Yours.


I'm a middle class white guy, I don't need them to have my back. The whole world has my back no matter who's president.

What I need and want out of a political party is to stop our government's murder people of colour, domestically by our police force and abroad by our military.

The Democrats told me yesterday they wanted that, but today they're sending a different message. Which one is the truth?
posted by tobascodagama at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is simple and direct and kindhearted.
posted by argybarg at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


"We all should feel the Bern, and we all should not want to be burned by the other guy"

BAZINGA!
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm going to miss Joe Biden so much. I need someone to slip up every so often and call something a big fuckin' deal. Kaine isn't that guy.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


it's like he's trotting out the spanish just to show off that he can do a thing, a single thing and it's not enough for me, it's just not
posted by likeatoaster at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016


If we had a different kind of electoral system, the Dems would be two or three or four or more parties. The fact that all of those people must by circumstance occupy one party doesn't mean that they all need to snap into agreement on everything. It just means they need to pick some stuff they all more or less agree on and work toward them, while continuing to debate the stuff they don't agree on. And I like it that way. I like that we don't demand total agreement on everything to welcome people into this party.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


He listed all the couples: Bernie & Jane, Joe & Jill, Barack & Michelle... and Hillary Clinton.

Smart move. Best not to rehash the "two for the price of one" thing.
posted by Superplin at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


That would be awesome, and frankly, a bit better than continuing to list all the committees he serves on.


"A bit"?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016


This really isn't as good as his first speech when Hillary announced him as the VP choice. It's almost like he's embarrassed to be repeating the same lines in a slightly remixed form.
posted by uosuaq at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Faith, family, and work != Labor, family, fatherland.

It's 2 of 3! And not sure faith or fatherland would be worse from a progressive standpoint. He could do so much better for a slogan.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016


Uhh, is there another translation of "compañeras del alma" than soul mates? Should Bill be concerned?
posted by dis_integration at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016


He has some cringe-y dadness about him.
posted by dry white toast at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016


"The enemy of my enemy"

Is my enemy's enemy.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Whose backs do the Democrats really have here?
posted by tobascodagama at 10:13 PM on July 27 [+] [!]


I feel they're trying to fit an awful lot of people under this tent. So it makes sense the recurring theme is listening because there are going to be a hell of a lot of different viewpoints. Acknowledging some of them doesn't mean you're ignoring the others.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Dude, he said it was a Lithuanian professor last time

Liviu Librescu was Romanian.
posted by biogeo at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016


Fuck, the professor that died at Virginia Tech was Romanian. During his intro speech last weekend he told that story and said "Lithuanian" and I told my 95 yeah old Lithuanian grandmother about it. Oh well, at least he didn't fuck it up in the worst possible way and said "Polish".
posted by sideshow at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thank you cooker girl!
posted by gilrain at 7:22 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I realized who Tim reminds me of

Secretary Clinton, wiiiillllyooooooousaveus?
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm a middle class white guy, I don't need them to have my back.

....Mayyyyyyybe you may want to step back and see if some of the Mefites of color want to raise a complaint about Bloomberg rather than white-knighting, maybe?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [44 favorites]


Yeah he was definitely nervous at the beginning, which is adorable. Now he's much more comfortable.
posted by Tarumba at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I like Kaine but putting Obama after him was a good idea. 'Cause... zzzzzzzzzz
posted by Justinian at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Donald Dump"?
posted by madcaptenor at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald Lump!
posted by bendy at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I thought part of the VP's job was to be the attack dog. Did they just decide to leave that to Biden? He's being awfully aww-shucks.
posted by dry white toast at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2016


This is the best wedding speech ever.
posted by mrzarquon at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


What I need and want out of a political party is to stop our government's murder people of colour, domestically by our police force and abroad by our military.

Hard to do if Trump is in the Oval Office.
posted by chris24 at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Thanks EmpressCallipygos. I've had enough of the white guy lecturing.
posted by zutalors! at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm going to miss Joe Biden so much. I need someone to slip up every so often and call something a big fuckin' deal. Kaine isn't that guy.

I can imagine Kaine calling something a "Golly gosh darn flippin' big deal" though.
posted by mmoncur at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


He can wrestle with this crowd in a way that has been tricky for some very high profile speakers. He's not Joe Biden, but I wouldn't write this guy off.
posted by figurant at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


I was hoping Kaine would talk about the nickname he got in highschool, like Gary Johnson revealed for Samathna Bee. (Spoiler: it's "Jaguar")

ps, was I the only one who thought johnson was sort of creepy in that video?
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


but today they're sending a different message

No they aren't, and that you keep insisting so without engaging any of the reasonable objections to this assertion that others have offered indicates that you're not really trying to have a discussion in good faith. If you just want to yell at people, yell at people.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Y'all are a tough crowd. As if anyone could follow Biden tonight.

I like Kaine. He seems like good people, and I hope someone has some hot salt water and lemon for him backstage, because I'm not sure how much longer is voice is going to hold up.
posted by bibliowench at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Donald Lump!?!? That's awesome.
posted by gehenna_lion at 7:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I hope everyone on the thread realize what a brilliant counterpoint Bloomberg was to the shitstorm of the Giuliani shout speech from last week's RNC. You don't have to agree with him, he was an incredibly effective tool for furthering the cause of electing a sane, competent person to the most important position in the world.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm pretty sure the pin on Kaine's lapel is the flag that military families (maybe only families of Marines, not entirely sure) display in their front windows when their loved one is deployed.


Pretty sure this is correct and pretty sure I'm gonna tell that to everybody on twitter who is angry he's not wearing an American flag pin who I discovered while searching "Tim Kaine flag pin" which is gonna be so satisfying.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Twitter says lapel pin is a Service Flag
posted by mochapickle at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Stop reminding us of the people who are better at this than you!
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pittsburgh is heavily Catholic and generally ethnic liberal Catholic who are multi-generational Democrats . There are a lot of people around these parts who are going to love this guy.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


My 16-year-old daughter loves him!"Yes we Kaine!!!" she says!!
posted by cooker girl at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


"I trust Hillary Clinton with our son's life." That hit hard
posted by kanewai at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [34 favorites]


"I trust Hillary Clinton with our son's life."
posted by jason_steakums at 7:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Linwood Holton may look frail now, but he was a titan.

From the Nixon Tapes:

1:10:20a:

The President talks about "these hypocrites" he "can't stand" in NYC who "send their kids to lily-white schools."

The Governor says, "They are cheating their youngsters by doing that." Nixon says, "Your kids go to the black high school."

Holton tells the President that his children go to Richmond public schools which have mostly African-American students. "And the great thing about it, Mr. President, is you go to basketball games and scholastic events, these kids are friends." The Governor starts talking about the impact this will have 10 years down the line, but the President interrupts to cite statistics about a higher percentage of black children in the South attending majority white schools than in the North.

Holton says, "This year, I said, when the Attorney General declined to approve our reapportionment plan on the grounds it had a bad racial effect, I said, 'Well, goddamn it, go in and write another one and comply with it.' This is done all the time. [Unclear.] I tell you, 10 years from now when those kids get married, you're not gonna have any damn all-white suburbs. They're gonna say, 'Why, hell, those people are friends I went to school with.' And that's the way to handle that, not by any force."

Conversation Number 685-003 16:57b:

The President says that he knows people like Daniel Patrick Moynihan who believe that multiracial experiences are good things, but he disagrees with them. He refers to Governor Holton as "that poor, nice, little guy we've got as governor in Virginia. When he goes, 'It's really great for my kids to go to a school that are 90 percent black, I think he's lying through his teeth."

Ehrlichman said, "Lin Holton called me and said, 'Listen, I want to know what you guys are gonna do on busing, because,' he says, 'I've to get off this wicket I'm on.'"

President Nixon says, "He's gone too far. When he got up at that Governor's thing and went through that business about what a wonderful experience it was to take his children [to school], and I thought, poor Lin--he's an awful nice guy but, goddamnit, you don't do that."

Nixon says, "Black children are not equal to white children and black teachers are not as good as white teachers. Now goddamn it, that happens to be the truth. So why the hell do you [buck?] against the truth. Isn't that the problem? Now you can't tell them that. That's the problem."


26:00a: In discussing the dinner held for Republican governors, Haldeman has the following exchange with the President:

Haldeman: Holton got off on his integration again.

President Nixon: He's hung up on that, isn't he?

Haldeman: He is. He's obsessed with it.

President Nixon: I think it's because he's probably taking a beating on one side and trying to compensate on the other. But he doesn't need to do it all the time. I mean, it's a little embarrassing to people--it is to me anyway--to hear that kind of crap all the time. I heard the story.
posted by sallybrown at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [51 favorites]


tobascodagama, I respect what you're saying, but what you're asking for isn't something the Dems are ever going to give you. It's not what these parties are about. And you're basically watching episode 3 of Democrats: the Miniseries right now.
posted by penduluum at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


This is the "weave the tapestry together" speech.

It's gotta go a lot of places, but damn, they are holding together a lot of factions in a coalition.

I have got serious mad respect for what that takes.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


Kaine Trump Impersonation!
posted by mrzarquon at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


The Democrats today are saying that a real policy of substantive change requires building coalitions with people you disagree with on occasion.

60 Senators is a very tall task much of the time and if more of the Republicans were like Bloomberg and willing to compromise then actually making things better for Americans would be a fuckton easier.

Purity tests are what the Republicans do and it's basically ruined our political system because it's pretty rare for one party to have a supermajority.
posted by vuron at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]


Loving Kaine's Trump impression tho
posted by jason_steakums at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


omg his Trump impression is hilarible.
posted by gatorae at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]


OMG. THE TRUMP IMPRESSION.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Just out of interest, how many people here believe in social liberalism?
posted by Talez at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016


Ha! He does a great Trump impression!
posted by bendy at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ahhh, here comes the attacking...
posted by dry white toast at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is ROASTING trump.

OH SHIT!
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I like this guy. He is like a dorky but comfy cardigan.
posted by pointystick at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


HE IS DOING TRUMP IMITATIONS LIKE SOMEONE'S DAD WOULD THIS IS ADORABLE
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [68 favorites]


I bet Tim Kaine is really great at telling a room full of 8th graders how disappointed he is in how they acted on the field trip to the museum, but what the heck, we can still have a pizza party.
posted by billyfleetwood at 7:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [73 favorites]


Kaine gettin in that tax return jab and *landing it*
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Biden: "NOW, LET US DESTROY OUR ENEMIES AND DRINK BLOOD WINE OVER THEIR CORPSES! EVERYONE TO MY CORVETTE!"

Kaine:"NOW, WHO IS READY TO WRITE THEIR BIGGEST CHECK EVER FOR OUR NEW ST JOE'S SCHOOL AUDITORIUM?"
posted by dw at 7:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [45 favorites]


The Trump impression is pretty great, and he has the crowd with him, which is fun to see.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Okay, there we go. Much better! That's the Tim Kaine I wanted to hear.
posted by ashirys at